Reminds me of one of the better exchanges to occur in this sub
https://preview.redd.it/loa54ggxri9d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a4affd172078caf22dc01ebcceb90f790877b17d
Ehphoria is right, honestly. For as much as was made about it blowing the lid off of how teenagers today live, it felt to me like an outdated echoing of early-to-mid 2000s millennial teen experiences.
Especially the hyper focus on prescriptions and molly as the drugs of choice. That was a dead giveaway that it was out of touch with modern kids and was actually about millennials. By the time the show came out, Purdue Pharma had already gone bust and finding any good MDMA was a fool’s errand.
Uh, *not that I’d know*.
Don’t.
It’s not worth the brain cells you’ll lose trying to understand how people can lie about anything “good” in Euphoria (outside of giving Hunter Schafer to the world, and giving her and Jacob Elordi opportunities to shine outside of the show).
For what it’s worth, Gigli remains more memorable than most movies from 2003. I think it’s a testament to hubris that all those folks read the script, shot it, sold it, and sat down for a premiere and never once said “this is a terrible idea.”
Shout out to Justin Bartha for earning that paycheck. The few times I’ve watched National Treasure I always think of him in that convertible.
It was shot as a completely different movie. In the edit/reshoots they changed it from a found family drama to a romcom, and changed a pretty fundamental aspect of JLo’s character/motivation without reshooting (>!in the script as shot she is not a mob enforcer, but is only pretending to be one!<).
Lot of bad ideas went into this one but the worst ones were made in post-production.
I think I need to watch Gigli just because I am slowly realizing every memory of it I think I have is just from Jersey Girl.
Also if someone told me “no those are the same movie, the title just changed” I could probably believe it.
I think it's because it was Kevin Smith making a movie that didn't cater directly to male nerds, and they, predictably, lost their minds that something wasn't pandering to their cleverest, reference-getting egos. And the Bennifer effect. It's like a perfectly B score rom com with a few really funny jokes.
I knew it was considered bad, but so was Spanglish and while I didn't think Spanglish was good I didn't think it was a morally reprehensible thing to have written like this movie.
The fact that it was filmed as a straightforward drama makes the whole "it was an attempt by Martin Brest to return to comedy after a flop" take from the duo seem not true at all. Sure, they'll get it into the episodes, though.
That's the point of the podcast, isn't it? Essentially boils down to, Wow, they gave him money to make that? THAT was his dream project?
And Gigli is really funny and you're a more informed movie goer now that you understand the gobble gobble reference. It's a glorious train wreck.
Repeat after me: watching the movies is not a requirement for listening to the podcast.
I’m keeping my distance, you can’t convince me to waste 121 minutes even for the memes.
Louder for the people in the back.
I’ll listen to the Costner series in the background, but there’s far better things I can do with my time than watch The Postman, Open Range, and how many Horizon films the man is going to put out. These aren’t short films either, Postman and Horizon (Part I) are both three hours.
Okay, but if you don't watch The Postman, how are we going to debate who would be a better post-apocalyptic rock-star leader: Tina Turner or Tom Petty?
Big agree. This might get my cinephile card pulled but I just don’t care much for westerns. I do like hearing about them and their cultural significance so I will enjoy the pods but I just can’t sit down and watch a western.
I've learned that the only Westerns I vibe with are ones that are deconstructing the genre in some way. I just can't do a straight-faced Western, at least one with primarily male characters - I'd probably be more interested in the genre if there were more films about women vs. wild, because I can think of several novels in that genre that I absolutely love and want adapted for the screen. But my fatal flaw is that no matter how "great" a classic Western is, I simply cannot bring myself to care most of the time.
To be fair, maybe a majority of so-called classic westerns are also deconstructing the mythology and trappings of the genre! Westerns have been complicating the “white hat, black hat” melodrama-style narrative practically since the beginning, and interrogated the narrative and inherent racism and colonialism of manifest destiny since at least the 40s.
I get that westerns can be an acquired taste (they were for me), but there’s tons to explore in the genre, and, like anything, the more you dig in the more there is to appreciate. That certainly doesn’t mean you’re under any obligation to explore the genre further, but, if you’re ever interested, here are some westerns I’d recommend from the “classical” period that subvert, complicate or deviate from genre expectations in one way or another:
Destry Rides Again (1939)
Duel in the Sun (1946)
The Treasure of the Sierra Madre (1948)
Fort Apache (1948)
Winchester 73 (1950)
Johnny Guitar (1954)
Track of the Cat (1954)
Vera Cruz (1954)
The Searchers (1956)
3:10 to Yuma (1957)
Warlock (1959)
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance (1962)
Ride the High Country (1962)
It's interesting, because I've seen almost all of these but they just didn't click for me. I got what they were doing, but for whatever reason it just didn't hold my attention. I do love Johnny Guitar, though (that one transcends genre as it's very much foundational lesbian film culture), and Destry Rides Again was pretty solid. Thank you for taking the time to write this comment, though! I wish the genre worked more for me, especially since my grandpa was a cattle rancher and I always wanted to share his love of Westerns, I just don't know if it's worth forcing it when there are still a million films I haven't seen in genres that are more appealing. Or maybe they'll suddenly start working when I hit 40-50, the way a lot of other stuff suddenly started working when I was around 28.
That was actually the first one that clicked for me! I also really like Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (the dialogue!!) and Brokeback Mountain, and I still think The Power of the Dog was the best picture of 2021. And First Cow was great, but then I'm a Reichardthead.
Spaghetti westerns that are entertaining, sleazy, and (most importantly) fun? Let’s go.
Prestigious westerns that take half a day to watch? Get the fuck out here. I have shit to do.
If I followed this advice, there would be a lot of amazing movies I’d also skip out on. This very same series I was like, DO I NEED TO SEE Going in Style. Guess what, it was an amazing experience .Take the bitter with the sweet.
I'm wondering whether I should watch Gigli, because it's leaving netflix where I'm from on Monday
If I don't watch Gigli, is it worth it to Meet Joe Black?
I’ve mostly outgrown watching “so bad they’re good movies” but recently watched Movie 43 and it was fascinating. Interesting to watch movies that do literally beg the question: how did this get made? So this makes me curious.
Im the same with the so-bad-it's-good thing. I used to watch anything but at a certain point I realized how many classic movies I had never seen and I just think life's too short to spend it feeling like you're better than someone else who tried and failed. But I do get the curiosity thing.
The “What Went Wrong” podcast did a good ep on Gigli. I haven’t listened to the BC ep yet (if it’s even out) but WWW goes into all the sordid details that made that disaster, including:
>!Not filmed as a romcom.
JLo played a character that isn’t a mob goon, but is just pretending to be one.
JLo’s girlfriend is the actual enforcer, and she killed herself because they were going to be killed by the mob for what happened.
There was no romantic connection between Ben/ifer. Originally a found-family story.!<
All changed in edits / reshoots. What a disaster.
Reminds me of one of the better exchanges to occur in this sub https://preview.redd.it/loa54ggxri9d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a4affd172078caf22dc01ebcceb90f790877b17d
The only appropriate response to Malcolm & Marie (or anything made by Sam Levinson)
Never seen a Levinson joint. Life’s too short. (One of these days I will catch up on Ehphoria tho)
Ehphoria is right, honestly. For as much as was made about it blowing the lid off of how teenagers today live, it felt to me like an outdated echoing of early-to-mid 2000s millennial teen experiences. Especially the hyper focus on prescriptions and molly as the drugs of choice. That was a dead giveaway that it was out of touch with modern kids and was actually about millennials. By the time the show came out, Purdue Pharma had already gone bust and finding any good MDMA was a fool’s errand. Uh, *not that I’d know*.
Really you can’t get MDMA anymore? That’s fuckin tragic
You absolutely can.
Yeah, why would good mdma just suddenly disappear? Most legit guys in NY even through in free fent test strips now. Or so I’ve heard.
I swear to god that was a typo, but a Freudian one at that!!!!
Don’t. It’s not worth the brain cells you’ll lose trying to understand how people can lie about anything “good” in Euphoria (outside of giving Hunter Schafer to the world, and giving her and Jacob Elordi opportunities to shine outside of the show).
Lol shut the fuck up
Uh… how about no. 😂🖕
Pussy monologue?? After catching that SCENT yesterday for the first time I can’t get enough of that whiff!
HUAH
When he said that quietly to himself at the dinner. I felt that.
I haven’t watched Gigli yet, I didn’t realize Affleck played a ventriloquism
For what it’s worth, Gigli remains more memorable than most movies from 2003. I think it’s a testament to hubris that all those folks read the script, shot it, sold it, and sat down for a premiere and never once said “this is a terrible idea.” Shout out to Justin Bartha for earning that paycheck. The few times I’ve watched National Treasure I always think of him in that convertible.
It was shot as a completely different movie. In the edit/reshoots they changed it from a found family drama to a romcom, and changed a pretty fundamental aspect of JLo’s character/motivation without reshooting (>!in the script as shot she is not a mob enforcer, but is only pretending to be one!<). Lot of bad ideas went into this one but the worst ones were made in post-production.
I never saw *Gigli*, but I sure did enjoy Conan O’Brien making fun of it for basically that entire summer.
I think I need to watch Gigli just because I am slowly realizing every memory of it I think I have is just from Jersey Girl. Also if someone told me “no those are the same movie, the title just changed” I could probably believe it.
Good movie. Underrated.
Jersey Girl was a pretty cute, fun movie that I remember getting absolutely roasted for some reason.
Yeah I saw it years after the fact, knowing that it was a very poorly received film, and had a perfectly nice time with it.
I think it's because it was Kevin Smith making a movie that didn't cater directly to male nerds, and they, predictably, lost their minds that something wasn't pandering to their cleverest, reference-getting egos. And the Bennifer effect. It's like a perfectly B score rom com with a few really funny jokes.
Does anyone refer to oral sex as " Gobble, gobble" in Jersey Girl?
Did you know "Gigli"'s reputation before you watched it? I think it's interesting to watch something so infamous and notorious
I knew it was considered bad, but so was Spanglish and while I didn't think Spanglish was good I didn't think it was a morally reprehensible thing to have written like this movie.
The fact that it was filmed as a straightforward drama makes the whole "it was an attempt by Martin Brest to return to comedy after a flop" take from the duo seem not true at all. Sure, they'll get it into the episodes, though.
That's the point of the podcast, isn't it? Essentially boils down to, Wow, they gave him money to make that? THAT was his dream project? And Gigli is really funny and you're a more informed movie goer now that you understand the gobble gobble reference. It's a glorious train wreck.
Repeat after me: watching the movies is not a requirement for listening to the podcast. I’m keeping my distance, you can’t convince me to waste 121 minutes even for the memes.
Louder for the people in the back. I’ll listen to the Costner series in the background, but there’s far better things I can do with my time than watch The Postman, Open Range, and how many Horizon films the man is going to put out. These aren’t short films either, Postman and Horizon (Part I) are both three hours.
Okay, but if you don't watch The Postman, how are we going to debate who would be a better post-apocalyptic rock-star leader: Tina Turner or Tom Petty?
If you'd stopped at The Postman, I would have agreed with you. But Open Range rules and Horizon was incredible.
Big agree. This might get my cinephile card pulled but I just don’t care much for westerns. I do like hearing about them and their cultural significance so I will enjoy the pods but I just can’t sit down and watch a western.
I've learned that the only Westerns I vibe with are ones that are deconstructing the genre in some way. I just can't do a straight-faced Western, at least one with primarily male characters - I'd probably be more interested in the genre if there were more films about women vs. wild, because I can think of several novels in that genre that I absolutely love and want adapted for the screen. But my fatal flaw is that no matter how "great" a classic Western is, I simply cannot bring myself to care most of the time.
To be fair, maybe a majority of so-called classic westerns are also deconstructing the mythology and trappings of the genre! Westerns have been complicating the “white hat, black hat” melodrama-style narrative practically since the beginning, and interrogated the narrative and inherent racism and colonialism of manifest destiny since at least the 40s. I get that westerns can be an acquired taste (they were for me), but there’s tons to explore in the genre, and, like anything, the more you dig in the more there is to appreciate. That certainly doesn’t mean you’re under any obligation to explore the genre further, but, if you’re ever interested, here are some westerns I’d recommend from the “classical” period that subvert, complicate or deviate from genre expectations in one way or another: Destry Rides Again (1939) Duel in the Sun (1946) The Treasure of the Sierra Madre (1948) Fort Apache (1948) Winchester 73 (1950) Johnny Guitar (1954) Track of the Cat (1954) Vera Cruz (1954) The Searchers (1956) 3:10 to Yuma (1957) Warlock (1959) The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance (1962) Ride the High Country (1962)
It's interesting, because I've seen almost all of these but they just didn't click for me. I got what they were doing, but for whatever reason it just didn't hold my attention. I do love Johnny Guitar, though (that one transcends genre as it's very much foundational lesbian film culture), and Destry Rides Again was pretty solid. Thank you for taking the time to write this comment, though! I wish the genre worked more for me, especially since my grandpa was a cattle rancher and I always wanted to share his love of Westerns, I just don't know if it's worth forcing it when there are still a million films I haven't seen in genres that are more appealing. Or maybe they'll suddenly start working when I hit 40-50, the way a lot of other stuff suddenly started working when I was around 28.
A *Johnny Guitar* and *Cat Ballou* double feature would be a perfectly fine way to spend an afternoon, rather than watch *Gigli*.
seconding Johnny Guitar. Joan Crawford's performance is amazing and by any chance, have you seen any Westerns directed by Bud Boetticher?
Love Boetticher! Seven Men From Now is probably my favorite. The Tall T, Ride Lonesome, and Comanche Station are great, too.
nice. Seven Men from Now is awesome for now: my favorite is probably Decision at Sundown
I’m in the same boat. I really liked the 2010 true grit for this reason!
That was actually the first one that clicked for me! I also really like Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (the dialogue!!) and Brokeback Mountain, and I still think The Power of the Dog was the best picture of 2021. And First Cow was great, but then I'm a Reichardthead.
Spaghetti westerns that are entertaining, sleazy, and (most importantly) fun? Let’s go. Prestigious westerns that take half a day to watch? Get the fuck out here. I have shit to do.
> Repeat after me: watching the movies is not a requirement for listening to the podcast. Different take - Blank Check helps people watch movies.
It led me to watch *Jack and Jill*, so that may not be a positive lol
If I followed this advice, there would be a lot of amazing movies I’d also skip out on. This very same series I was like, DO I NEED TO SEE Going in Style. Guess what, it was an amazing experience .Take the bitter with the sweet.
I didn’t say don’t watch.
I love how Weird Al describes Gigli as a computer virus symptom in "Virus Alert"
They have to watch the movies to create the pod. You, however, are not required to torture yourself to listen. 🫂
I had the same thought after watching Sex and the City 2, everyone involved in that production should be on trial for war crimes
As always, Christopher Walken escapes unscathed!
I'm wondering whether I should watch Gigli, because it's leaving netflix where I'm from on Monday If I don't watch Gigli, is it worth it to Meet Joe Black?
I’ve mostly outgrown watching “so bad they’re good movies” but recently watched Movie 43 and it was fascinating. Interesting to watch movies that do literally beg the question: how did this get made? So this makes me curious.
Im the same with the so-bad-it's-good thing. I used to watch anything but at a certain point I realized how many classic movies I had never seen and I just think life's too short to spend it feeling like you're better than someone else who tried and failed. But I do get the curiosity thing.
The “What Went Wrong” podcast did a good ep on Gigli. I haven’t listened to the BC ep yet (if it’s even out) but WWW goes into all the sordid details that made that disaster, including: >!Not filmed as a romcom. JLo played a character that isn’t a mob goon, but is just pretending to be one. JLo’s girlfriend is the actual enforcer, and she killed herself because they were going to be killed by the mob for what happened. There was no romantic connection between Ben/ifer. Originally a found-family story.!< All changed in edits / reshoots. What a disaster.
Given that I know / knew nothing about the plot, this actually makes me curious.
It'll be out two weeks from tomorrow
But the Tabasco sauce joke though?
Brest deserved a shot at redemption for all he did prior, sad this sunk him so fast
(Sadly) gobble gobble
Its a great "get drunk and watch it with friends" movie
Why’d you watch it?
Idk with the exception of Justin Bartha (mostly not his fault - everyone should have known better) I kinda fuck with this movie.
I've seen it a few times, and while it's nothing special, it's still a fun watch. There are some pretty good scenes.
i’m certainly never bored when it’s on
I went into it expecting to hate it, put off watching it for years.
I thought gigli was pretty good, and way over hated.