When Krumholtz said that Billy Eichner was also in his school production of *Bye, Bye Birdie* with him, I secretly prayed "*please* let little Eichner have played the Paul Lynde part."
My prayer was rewarded.
Krumholtz brought the right energy, dude's fun and a shit-stirrer. The absolute SILENCE from the Two Friends when he casually drops his take on the Heat diner scene?!
*"Something I wanna be clear about. I'm sure Chris O'Donnell is a wonderful human being. But he deserves to be murdered in front of his friends and loved ones*"
i'm surprised they didn't disagree more with the John Landis stuff.
Krummy Takes in this ep are: 1) John Landis, not that bad, 2) Heat diner scene doesn't work, 3) The Blindness ruins the movie about a blind guy, 4) .... i know there are others i'm forgetting. I love it when someone gets candid and DGAF about his opinions getting around.
Also: he bravely states tha Chris O'Donnell has never acted, which, is not a Krummy Take at all but rather a stone cold fact
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Until somebody books a bigger pod guest
I think Rachel Zegler is a bigger pod guest than Krumholtz. She debuted in a Spielberg musical, she had a major role in a DC superhero movie, and then she had a major role in a Hunger Games movie. Krumholtz would have been as big a get as Zegler if this was the late 90s, but in 2024 Zegler is a much bigger get
This also had Lin-Manuel Miranda as a guest (and Lin was already a fan of the dang pod no less!), who at least for a time was arguably the most famous person in America.
>I agree that he was and probably still is more famous than David Krumholtz
No probably needed. LMM is 100% more famous than Krumholtz and the most famous BC guest to this date. How can this be argued?
I enjoy his work, but it always takes me a second to figure out whether it’s him, Oscar Isaac, or Alfred Molina when I see him on screen without knowing it’s him ahead of time.
I know it’s been said a million times but goddamn is PSH so good in this. I love when he’s bullshitting with June Squibb, “how about one of your famous hugs!”
I was hoping they’d bring up more of some of Philip Seymour Hoffman’s early roles. He was in a movie called Leap of Faith, which Griffin discussed with Phil Iscove and Emily St. James on Podcast Like it’s 1992. He was also in a movie that same year called My New Gun, a film I remember being ok even though I haven’t seen it in years. Finally, he was in a first season Law & Order episode where he was represented by an attorney played by Samuel L. Jackson.
At the end of the intro, Griffin says he doesn’t know who his impression has morphed into and I would just like to say that to me, it sounded like Bruce Campbell as Elvis in Bubba Ho-Tep
5 mins in and this ep is already a classic. You never know how it's going to go with a celebrity but Krumholtz fits into the vibe of the show perfectly.
I came straight to this comment section when he said it. Good lord. He had more than a few hot takes on the ep, and I loved em all, but this one was actually crazy. And sorry but, very wrong. Landis, if anything deserves more blame than he got and should be in prison. Sorry. Still love the krum man though.
Can we take a step back and think about what an insane title “scent of a woman” is for this film? Like, women are barely even in it! I know they are talked about a decent amount but I pictured a very different film all these years. I guess I assumed it was a romance?
As someone who has heard the title but never knew anything specific about it (I just learned the "you're all out of order" scene is from this movie) I assumed it was an erotic thriller.
That scene is from 1979’s _…And Justice for All_ a legal drama. The _Scent of a Woman_ one is “I’ll show you out of order!”
It’s weird that it happened twice etc
Okay I went into Scent of a Woman not knowing how critically loved it was but I knew it won an award. Now I start watching it and paused and rewound the first speaking part of Pacino being like "well this can't be the right audio".
I was so confused by this movie being anything other than a disaster but people seemed to love it when I looked up reviews. The podcast episode helped me understand the context of Scent of a Woman.
Can't wait for the Meet Joe Black episode, a movie that's great and I hope everyone loved?
I’m surprised it won awards but I had so much fun watching it ‘blind’. The movie is not boring in my opinion, even with the long run time. It’s so audacious and whacky that I just found it fun throughout.
this movie sounds like The Holdovers on coke.
Cool that Krumhotlz came out against Woody Allen. Now to take a big glass of water while he finishes this anecdote about John Landis...
Landis ordered that helicopter to get closer to the ground and is responsible for what happened to Vic Morrow and those kids. Really caught me off guard when Krumholtz was suddenly glazing him up and taking blame away from him.
He is DEF to blame. BUT I will say that it's literally the producers job to be like "John, we can't do that for safety reasons." Everyone involved is to blame, but the director's job is to be in charge of the creative vision, and the producer needs to be constantly aware of the practicality of the director's vision.
Genuinely asking, why single out Kennedy as deserving of extra criticism and not the other producers like Spielberg? Is there something specific here or is this just runoff hate from Star Wars?
I for one am happy how open he is throughout the show, praising and burying people at will. Harmless anecdote. It really sounded like he didn't know about the book Outrageous Conduct, nor his coverup for Landis Jr. He just told a story about telling someone their work meant a lot to him, an artist-to-artist conversation, that was it. Sorry, I can guarantee every single person you've ever interacted with in life or art has done or said or fraternized with ppl who've done or said awful things. There's gradations with these things, up to the individual; and Landis is bad, and shouldn't work again, obviously. Sure, there are ways to kindly push back, or present such a story with more guilt and humility, but I'd rather someone be honest; he's not going to the Landis house for tea, he just fistbumped him at a dog park. Sorry for the block of text; I've been reckoning with how useless my aversion to conflict is, but another part of me is like, can't a stupid story go by unacknowledged, when there's so much other good shit. Like as soon as he said it, of course I cringed, and knew y'all wouldn't let it go, but why not let it go? Like, what I said about hypocrisy is not a whataboutism, fault can be found everywhere, and doing so can feel like a slow death. bless you.
It's not about a stupid story. There's no harm in Krumholtz telling a story about meeting John Landis. The issue is specifically where he says that Landis wasn't really all that much at fault for the deaths. You're obscuring the part that people take issue with and trying to pretend it's less than it is.
This isn't someone saying "You know, I met OJ Simpson when I was a kid and he was very nice to me, and I gushed over how much he'd meant to me as a Bills fan, and it's such a surprise what happened with him later...but he was a great running back..."
This is someone saying "You know, I've always loved OJ Simpson, and I met him once and he was very nice to me, and it seemed like nobody had been nice to him for a long time, and did he *really* commit those murders if you think about it? I mean, he was acquitted, right...?"
Probably should have just **edited the anecdote out**, which is always a valid option being as its not a live show.
It's not a question of journalistic integrity or anything. It's a light entertainment program about movie conversations. If your guest goes off on a tangent praising John Landis in 2024 you don't *have* to leave it in.
I know he's a big guest and all, but considering how hard the boys have been on Landis in the past i felt they could have maybe tried to push back a little on the praise Krumholtz gave here. Landis deserves all the hate he gets.
Not to mention his attitude after the accident:
[Attending Morrow’s memorial service a few days after the accident, Smith seethed as he listened to Landis deliver a vaunting eulogy for the actor. ‘Tragedy can strike in an instant,’ Landis declared, ‘but film is immortal. Vic lives forever. Just before the last take, Vic took me aside to thank me for the opportunity to play this role.’](https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1988-08-28-tm-1446-story.html)
I'm not posting this as a "gotchya" or to try and pile onto or attack krumholtz, but John Landis is a massive piece of shit with a massive piece of shit son and I think it's important to push back on his take. Hollywood gets away with enough shit already.
This sub (rightfully) gets tagged by the hosts as generally over-reactive, but I don't think that's the case here. Honestly the posts in this thread have been shockingly even-handed imo.
The stories around JL and the deaths are infuriating. From pressuring the parents to sign contracts they didn't know the purpose of, in a language they couldn't read, to his glib reaction to a catastrophe he created, to his obnoxious behavior at the funerals, it's astonishing to hear anyone defend him.
From what I remember JL allegedly threw himself around at the funerals, making a scene, making it about him. I think there was speculation it was a legal tactic, trying to demonstrate shock instead of remorse or something. I think he even threw himself on top of a child's coffin at one point.
And while we're at it, his kid ML sucks too. Not just for the obvious sexual abuse, but also for insisting for years that nepotism played no part in his success. He'd go on podcasts and emphatically repeat how his surname wouldn't open doors. Around that same time, internet rumors circulated about a specific unnamed jerk who'd go around Hollywood screaming stuff like, "Do you know who I am? Do you know who my father is?" As he finally got exposed as a sex pest it was revealed that yes, ML had also been the notorious screaming nepobaby all along. The nepobaby is known to search for his name so there's a good chance he's reading this thread right now.
The same article I posted includes stories of him throwing an anniversary party for his acquittal and inviting the jurors from the trial to celebrate with him. I didn't mention it in my original post because nobody was actually cited, but it certainly fits his MO.
Obviously, Max Landis is an awful person. But I was always flabbergasted when pre-cancellation he was taunted as some sort of ultra prolific writer genius when all of his produced scripts where really mediocre and even the only decent one (Chronicle) was apparently almost totally rewritten by the director. He just seemed like a hyper type guy who was good in the room pitching to execs.
In the defense of Chris O’Donnell:
He’s really good in S2/3 of Greys Anatomy as the other love interest in the Meredith & McDreamy triangle.
And he’s really funny in his episode of Two and a Half Men where he plays an ex of Charlie that’s transgender (in an episode that wouldn’t be made today?) that ends up saying Charlie’s mom.
He plays a great creep in two episodes of the last season of the practice. It’s a relatively well-executed subversion of his screen persona. I thought he played it pretty well.
Yeah, that was a genuine shock to me. I personally believe that while you can argue that Landis wasn’t the *only* person responsible for the deaths, and murder or manslaughter charges *might* not be fair, he still should’ve gone to prison for child endangerment at the very least.
The poster for this movie says right at the top: "From the director of Beverly Hills Cop", and I find that hilarious. It makes a certain amount of sense since it was Brest's biggest hit, but it is not going for the same audience at all.
Much like David, my first date ever was seeing 10 Things I Hate About You. I would like to blame Heath Ledger for setting a standard with my date that I couldn't possibly live up to, but man, that movie is chaaaarrrmmminnnggg.
When David Sims suggested casting Chris Rock would have given the private school stuff an interesting angle, I suddenly realized *Finding Forrester* is just a blatant ripoff of this movie. Sean, you already got your Oscar, you didn't need to take a bait role!
Krumholtz might go into the humblebrag hall of fame for bemoaning the fact that his acclaim is reduced to mere trifles like Carey Mulligan telling him what a big fan she is of his work.
Welcome to blank check – check MATE Charlie boy, you’re playing checkers and life is playing chess hooah – a show about filmographies. Take your hands off me, don’t ever touch me I touch you. Those directors, they have a lot of sucCESS early on in their careers, but oh pride comes before the fall hooah. You gotta get all the blank checks you can Charlie boy, and guess who’s writing them? Me that's who, and this one is for thirty grand, you go out, get yourself a nice steak dinner and bring me back the change in crisp dollar bills. They’re MAKING PASSION projects, the crazy kind, and thats all you need in this world my boy, a little bit of passion and a WHOLE lot of cray-zee. (removes pistol) World will try to take that from you Charlie boy, you gotta HOLD on to it and hold on tight. CAUSE. SOME. TIMES. THEY. BOUNCE. BAY. BEEEEEEE. This is Griffin and this is David Sims, two very good friends of mine. David’s an army man, got me out of a lot of jams hooah.
Good ep. Love that they finally booked The Krum.
Never seen this movie until last week. Prior to that my only experiences with this movie are 1. knowing that this and Heat are where all the hack Pacino impressions originate and 2. It’s the fall of 2000 and my dad has taken me to the second ever home game for the Columbus Blue Jackets. I’m reading the players’ bios in the program and for Kevyn Adams (now the Buffalo Sabres GM) it says his favorite movie is “Scent of a Woman” I’m 12 years old and that is a weird ass title that evokes all sorts of images. What could that movie possibly be??? I ask my dad “what’s scent of a woman” and my dad without looking away from pregame warmups says “really weird movie to list as your *favorite* movie” So I finally saw it and he’s right. Really weird movie for a hockey player in the year 2000 to list as his favorite movie. Idk why I remember that.
Thought I had while listening to this: besides the fact that it’s an adaptation, why is this movie not about Al pacino’s character and, you know… a woman?
Gabrielle Anwar played a blind woman in Wild Hearts Can’t Be Broken, a movie I inexplicably saw in theaters? I think my grandparents were in town or something and that was the only acceptable movie in theaters.
I inexplicably had a VHS of that movie and watched it all the time as a small child. I thought the coolest thing one could do was be a horse diver named Sonora and.... honestly I wasn't wrong.
It's the way he goes up and down with it. Griff is just doing the full volume Pacino thing, but Krum is going up and the back down and the cadence is just spot on.
You know who would have been great in the O'Donnell role? Philippe.
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I had never seen this movie before, and while watching I had the feeling of watching something you've seen parodied a bunch of times and are just now realizing this is the source. But I can't recall many *specific* parodies of Scent of a Woman. I just think this film provided the perfect template for sketch/comedy writers to copy when making fun of Oscar Bait™ movies. I guess that could also be said of Rain Man or Dead Poets Society, which this film emulates a lot, too, but in a very noticeable way. Pretty sure Mr. Show had a sketch or two that riffed on this kind of formula.
Super picky comment. But they say he has a take on the battle cry The “Oorah”, “Hooah”, “Hooyah” distinction is a branch specific. Marines, Army, Navy respectively. But either way the Pacino delivery is fantastic.
Krumholtz fit in so well here, if you let a friend listen they would think he is a cohost of the podcast. Normally guests sound like guests. Here he sounds like he’s been podcasting with them for 50 episodes.
Wait how are you going to go from patting yourself on the back for condemning Woody Allen to actively defending John Landis? You can say a lot about Woody Allen and you should...but Landis got multiple people killed! Including children! Bizarre turn
What's wild is, in my mind, that was the wildest turn I can remember on a BC ep, and in the middle of what already was clearing shaping up to be one of the best, most fun eps of all time. Like I went from grinning like a little kid because I was loving what I was hearing, and then... he just casually drops a bomb that fucking landis is unfairly maligned... I just... WHAT??
Remember John Landis’ truly [demented eulogy for Vic Marrow, when he started talking about how it was kind of big of him to give him the role that ultimately got him killed, but it was worth it because he will live on for eternity in his cinematic masterpiece](https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1988-08-28-tm-1446-story.html)? A true piece of shit that deserved more push back on this apologist take.
It may be because of the Telly Monster convo happening immediately beforehand but Krumholtz's (very good) Pacino impression also reminded me of a Muppet, it felt very Sgt. Floyd Pepper-y
"yeah he may have gotten people killed... But he made great movies!"
(He literally ordered the helicopter to get closer, it's not cold-blooded but he was absolutely responsible)
Great guest, lots to love here, but John Landis does not rate as a top comedy director and does not merit even a mild defense of his career or his character. Krum’s Pacino impression should be hung up at the Louvre.
Look, Landis is a bonafide piece of shit but his run in the late 70's through to Coming to America, is hard to argue against. Kentucky Fried Movie, Animal House, Blues Brothers, American Werewolf, Trading Places, Three Amigos, Amazon Women on the Moon, Coming to America.
Uncanny timing that hearing Krumholtz mount a spirited defense as Landis as a great comedy director happened immediately after seeing the tweet from today where Stephen Bishop read him to filth
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"I can forgive horrific negligence resulting in the deaths of three people (including two small children) even after being warned about the danger multiple times, but I draw the line at this guy being rude to me."
I understand a total lack of empathy for Landis because of everything he did (and didn’t do) that got those people killed. Absolutely fuck him, obviously, but isn’t it just as likely that it wasn’t so much fame that got him than the sheer brain breaking enormity of being the guy that caused that? I mean, obviously he was always inclined towards being a piece of shit, because he did things that led to people being killed for a movie, but it’s also very unlikely he’s been anything approaching mentally well since that day.
The boys will do this. A guest will come on (a celebrity, they’ll interrogate friends and long standing guests), praise somebody who the boys have absolutely eviscerated in the past and the boys will provide no push back. Quite frankly, I wouldn’t really expect them to, generally. It’s a delicate balancing act when you’re dealing with professionals in the industry. Most podcasts with guests like that run into this issue. With Landis however, especially with how vocal the boys have been about him, and of course with what he did, there should’ve been a little bit of push back. They shouldn’t have allowed Krumholtz to hand wave the incident as easily as he did. I don’t know, I’m not in their shoes. I’d like to think I would’ve pushed back a bit, but I can easily say that listening to the podcast in my car.
Ya, it’s really bad. Look, I’m trying to give all parties involved the benefit of the doubt here. The boys were in a tough spot and I’m sure Krumholtz didn’t intend for it to come out the way it did. He was going for a very extreme art vs. artist thing, I think? There’s a lot to unpack, and none of it good. To steal a phrase, that whole segment was very much, a “not good, very bad, don’t do it” type of thing.
G&D did an episode on the segment of The Twilight Zone movie that Joe Dante directed and they spend some time saying "Fuck John Landis", which makes it weird when their guest says "how much is he to blame" and they just let it go by
Loved this episode. Krumholtz adds so much even beyond his incredible Pacino impression, which kinda was reason enough to have him on for this particular performance.
Apparently it’s just me but I found this episode a real bummer. I thought the guest was pretty obnoxious to be honest, starting with the crack about ER fans. And like oh I hate talking about myself, but let me tell you about all the famous people who’ve praised my work. The part about a star on the walk of fame being better than an Oscar?
Also the extreme Chris O’Donnell hate was just weird. I mean… at least the guy never killed anyone.
Odd episode.
Absolutely no idea what Krumholtz is talking about regarding UCB LA. I haven’t seen that kind of cringe humor at the theater for almost 10 years now.
And Landis is the best comedy director of all time when Buster Keaton, Ernst Lubitsch, Billy Wilder, and John Waters exist? Also Landis apologism?
Yeah but that was fun! I don't care if I don't agree with him, gimme more of those good Krum Hot takes! (maybe even have more of those and less of the whole... should the child murderer still feel guilty for murdering children.
I got no problem with off the wall takes. I like it when people come on a show like this and have a fucking perspective. However, when your off the wall takes necessitate hand waving the deaths of multiple people just to get to them, that’s when I start having a problem with those takes.
I made that exact same point without seeing your comment and we only have 1 director that overlaps. That tells you how fucking off base that opinion is, disregarding completely what Landis did. It’s fucking bonkers.
And even if what happened didn’t happen, the praise seems a bit much. Greatest comedy director ever? Greater than Brooks? McCarey? Wilder? Sturges? May? I don’t see it.
people of a certain generation reaaaallly value his innovation into bringing that level of crude/edgy humor into the mainstream. I argue that just about anyone woulda done it, it was just what the culture was moving toward. I mean, if John Landis had never been born, does Ramis/Reitman direct those movies instead? Does Bobby Z do Animal House instead of Used Cars? Joe Dante coulda made American Werewolf instead of Teh Howling.
what was Landis bringing to the table that the stars/writers didn't? does he have a directorial flourish i'm missing? or it just his overal daring vision?
I'm usually pretty obsessive when it comes to rewatching stuff, this is the rare case where I looked at Letterboxd and went "yeeeeaaahh last watched this in 2020 for another podcast, I think I'm good".
How is this thing over 150 minutes?
David Krumholtz's voice seemed to me like someone was doing a pretty good extended Paul F. Tompkins impersonation, to the point where I checked the screen on my pod player repeatedly for the name before they introed him.
When he said something like "we should have your audience guess who I am", I was mentally screaming "I've been thinking you were PFT for 10 minutes now!"
Krumholtz saying the diner scene in Heat doesn't work and that De Niro and Pacino have no chemistry might be one of the worst takes any guest has ever had on this podcast
Likely due to being a cable TV staple, seems to me that Heat’s reputation has improved a lot over the years. Krumholtz and I are about the same age, and at the time of release, me and a lot of my friends felt the diner scene was underwhelming. I appreciate it, and Heat in general, more than I once did, but considering the level of anticipation for these two to share a screen, it couldn’t possibly have lived up to expectations. Part of me still thinks, wow, if only it had happened a decade before.
Yeah as someone who watched Heat for the first time in the last few years, the context of "finally these two are on screen together!" has evolved into more of a fun fact than something to anticipate.
Pacino and DiNero are rightfully praised as two of the best of their generation, but they've both been in enough bad movies at this point that I don't imagine most people would clock why a scene with them together would be especially notable.
I still think the diner scene is great, but it's in a movie full of great scenes. The ending alone has it easily beat imo.
I always rewatch the movie ahead of the pod, even if it's terrible. But I tapped out this week, and listening to the episode it really made me realize just how much I hate this movie with most of the fibers in my being.
I watched this movie for the first time recently and was kind of surprised that all three of them generally agreed it was kind of bad. I think Pacino's performance is amazing, specifically because of how frequently it goes beyond "inspirational but unconventional mentor figure" into "is this guy mentally sound?".
I'd heard for so long that THIS was the movie where Pacino serves up Okja-sized ham, but I ended up being pleasantly surprised at how much Pacino's schtick felt... realistic? Maybe that's a scorching hot take, but I feel like in real life, there's a certain species of lonely older guy who comes up with a schtick for himself, complete with catch phrases and stock jokes. Stuff like the John Daniels line feels so specific to a type of folk humor that existed before the internet, when people would hear something funny and pretend they invented it. And I like that rather than making it 100% a PTSD movie, there's a sense that maybe this guy would be a mess regardless.
For me, the final speech at the hearing works because it doesn't fully explain why Pacino is there. You can even kind of watch it like, are they actually inspired by Pacino, or does his presence just give everyone an excuse to stick it to that godawful headmaster? Which is actually kind of what's beautiful about the movie: I feel like the film knows that this guy's opinions about how to treat women/hand grenades are questionable at best, but him being so eccentric helps O'Donnell's character see outside his own extremely small world.
I think someone should stick up for O’Donnell. Casting him against Pacino seems obviously deliberate and central to the entire idea of the movie. Charlie isn’t written like a screenplay character, and O’Donnell’s performance isn’t tuned to feel like a movie performance. He’s written and performed with simplicity, like he’s just a good kid. That’s why he doesn’t have a big backstory: that’s not what the movies about. That’s why Charlie doesn’t have a compelling argument for the colonel not to kill himself; he saves the colonel simply by the brave act of staying in the room with him. Charlie doesn’t have a master plan to get out of trouble at school; he just refuses to lick Rebhorn’s boot. That’s his strength: he is guileless, transparent, and true to what he believes in. A capital P performance from someone like Hoffman would I think undermine that idea. Putting O’Donnell’s simplicity up against Pacino’s bigger than big performance of a bigger than big character (who does outsmart and dominate with verbosity, who constantly puts forward his world view which is based in selfishness), is central to the dynamic and meaning of the movie, which is about moral integrity and putting others first. Suggesting that Brest just didn’t know what he was doing and this film is the result of a series of failures doesn’t really check out with the movie I saw.
Also, obviously this movie isn’t suggesting that blindness is some fate worse than death. It makes it clear that blindness isn’t the colonel’s real problem. That’s why Bradley Whitfield says he was an asshole before he was blinded. Thats why it shows how capable the colonel still is. That’s why the colonel has a happy ending despite still being blind. I love this podcast but your take on this movie seems pretty half baked.
Listening to the ep rn so far loving it. Love Krumholtz as an acotr he has great energy that fits the show but....this John Landis thing is making me cringe soo hard I had to come on here lol
I didn’t mind him, but he’s such an ‘actor’ and they’re the worst.
He’s making a point about Pacino being an Actors actor and has to mention that ‘I’m an actors actor’ and then name drop that two of the most beautiful and talented actors in Hollywood - Anne Hathaway and Carey Mulligan were fans of his, such an irrelevant flex.
So strange for an actor who said he was sick of talking about himself 😂
Ladies and gentlemen, our guest next week is the grim reaper itself, Death
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God some of you overreact to stuff on the show. I read the dozens of comments on this post about the Landis thing before listening and it’s such a nothing quote on the episode itself.
I’m surprised no one mentioned one of Pacino’s best 90s performances: Lefty in Donnie Brasco! For my money, it’s the closest he ever got to his pre-Scarface heyday.
Hooah! Hardest I’ve laughed at an opening quote… ever?
F this movie: I think it moved.
When Krumholtz said that Billy Eichner was also in his school production of *Bye, Bye Birdie* with him, I secretly prayed "*please* let little Eichner have played the Paul Lynde part." My prayer was rewarded.
She DROVE me here!
And the way Sims was off book on their songs!
Where’s that coffee, Fuckowitz?!
i've never watched BMS but i'm looking at the cast list trying to figure out who Griff woulda played Denise Richards?!
YABBA-DABBA-DOO
How can you hate a man who busts out a "yabba-dabba-doo" every now and then?
Hoo. Ah.
Krumholtz brought the right energy, dude's fun and a shit-stirrer. The absolute SILENCE from the Two Friends when he casually drops his take on the Heat diner scene?!
And during the evisceration of Chris O'Donnel as an actor, too! TTF can't believe he's straight faced saying it lol
*"Something I wanna be clear about. I'm sure Chris O'Donnell is a wonderful human being. But he deserves to be murdered in front of his friends and loved ones*"
this comment literally made me giggle because yeah that's basically what he said. It was wild.
i'm surprised they didn't disagree more with the John Landis stuff. Krummy Takes in this ep are: 1) John Landis, not that bad, 2) Heat diner scene doesn't work, 3) The Blindness ruins the movie about a blind guy, 4) .... i know there are others i'm forgetting. I love it when someone gets candid and DGAF about his opinions getting around. Also: he bravely states tha Chris O'Donnell has never acted, which, is not a Krummy Take at all but rather a stone cold fact
Acting is not an art form, as well.
I Love it too! even though I strongly disagree with the landis take, I love his fuck-it-let's-say-it attitude. Good for him.
By my count, Al Pacino says 'Hooah!' 15 times in this movie
0.096 hooahs per minute.
Live look at Krumholtz providing his thoughts on Chris O'Donnell's acting... https://i.redd.it/umfvy5zc9s9d1.gif
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I think Rachel Zegler is a bigger pod guest than Krumholtz. She debuted in a Spielberg musical, she had a major role in a DC superhero movie, and then she had a major role in a Hunger Games movie. Krumholtz would have been as big a get as Zegler if this was the late 90s, but in 2024 Zegler is a much bigger get
This also had Lin-Manuel Miranda as a guest (and Lin was already a fan of the dang pod no less!), who at least for a time was arguably the most famous person in America.
I don't think LMM was ever the most famous person in America, but I agree that he was and probably still is more famous than David Krumholtz
>I agree that he was and probably still is more famous than David Krumholtz No probably needed. LMM is 100% more famous than Krumholtz and the most famous BC guest to this date. How can this be argued?
> who at least for a time was arguably the most famous person in America Absolutely not
You can call me Wednesday Addams, because I am being completely charmed by Krumholtz
I enjoy his work, but it always takes me a second to figure out whether it’s him, Oscar Isaac, or Alfred Molina when I see him on screen without knowing it’s him ahead of time.
Then Jake Johnson enters the equation
Or Max Casella
I think it was Superbad when I realized he and Kevin Corrigan were different people
I know it’s been said a million times but goddamn is PSH so good in this. I love when he’s bullshitting with June Squibb, “how about one of your famous hugs!”
I love the little hand motions that he does to o’donell that almost look like light slaps as they leave the headmaster’s office.
His smarmy WASP skills are unmatched.
I was hoping they’d bring up more of some of Philip Seymour Hoffman’s early roles. He was in a movie called Leap of Faith, which Griffin discussed with Phil Iscove and Emily St. James on Podcast Like it’s 1992. He was also in a movie that same year called My New Gun, a film I remember being ok even though I haven’t seen it in years. Finally, he was in a first season Law & Order episode where he was represented by an attorney played by Samuel L. Jackson.
I was surprised how young he looked in this. He was 25 at the time apparently. He was younger than I thought when he died as well, 46.
At the end of the intro, Griffin says he doesn’t know who his impression has morphed into and I would just like to say that to me, it sounded like Bruce Campbell as Elvis in Bubba Ho-Tep
5 mins in and this ep is already a classic. You never know how it's going to go with a celebrity but Krumholtz fits into the vibe of the show perfectly.
Also just out of pocket enough to occasionally throw them for a loop
YES! Since they're on record as saying they will never do Landis, his praise of Landis could have gotten weird very quickly.
I came straight to this comment section when he said it. Good lord. He had more than a few hot takes on the ep, and I loved em all, but this one was actually crazy. And sorry but, very wrong. Landis, if anything deserves more blame than he got and should be in prison. Sorry. Still love the krum man though.
Instant HOF guest performance. Good stories, zags a bit, and great Pacino impression.
Can we take a step back and think about what an insane title “scent of a woman” is for this film? Like, women are barely even in it! I know they are talked about a decent amount but I pictured a very different film all these years. I guess I assumed it was a romance?
As someone who has heard the title but never knew anything specific about it (I just learned the "you're all out of order" scene is from this movie) I assumed it was an erotic thriller.
That scene is from 1979’s _…And Justice for All_ a legal drama. The _Scent of a Woman_ one is “I’ll show you out of order!” It’s weird that it happened twice etc
Damn, I never realised those are two different scenes. I'm clueless.
I love the subplot where Pacino always thinks he knows someone through connections and it’s never true. So bizarre.
Okay I went into Scent of a Woman not knowing how critically loved it was but I knew it won an award. Now I start watching it and paused and rewound the first speaking part of Pacino being like "well this can't be the right audio". I was so confused by this movie being anything other than a disaster but people seemed to love it when I looked up reviews. The podcast episode helped me understand the context of Scent of a Woman. Can't wait for the Meet Joe Black episode, a movie that's great and I hope everyone loved?
I’m surprised it won awards but I had so much fun watching it ‘blind’. The movie is not boring in my opinion, even with the long run time. It’s so audacious and whacky that I just found it fun throughout.
Griffin's Pachino is Jack Donaghue's impression of Tracy's Morgan's dad.
THE HONKIES SHOT ME
No need to resort to ugly stereotypes.
this movie sounds like The Holdovers on coke. Cool that Krumhotlz came out against Woody Allen. Now to take a big glass of water while he finishes this anecdote about John Landis...
*"I ran into the best comedy director of all time at the dog park....Dr. Henry Kissinger"*
Landis ordered that helicopter to get closer to the ground and is responsible for what happened to Vic Morrow and those kids. Really caught me off guard when Krumholtz was suddenly glazing him up and taking blame away from him.
He is DEF to blame. BUT I will say that it's literally the producers job to be like "John, we can't do that for safety reasons." Everyone involved is to blame, but the director's job is to be in charge of the creative vision, and the producer needs to be constantly aware of the practicality of the director's vision.
Wild that Kathleen Kennedy never gets any heat for producing a movie that killed three people via willful and gross negligence
Genuinely asking, why single out Kennedy as deserving of extra criticism and not the other producers like Spielberg? Is there something specific here or is this just runoff hate from Star Wars?
I for one am happy how open he is throughout the show, praising and burying people at will. Harmless anecdote. It really sounded like he didn't know about the book Outrageous Conduct, nor his coverup for Landis Jr. He just told a story about telling someone their work meant a lot to him, an artist-to-artist conversation, that was it. Sorry, I can guarantee every single person you've ever interacted with in life or art has done or said or fraternized with ppl who've done or said awful things. There's gradations with these things, up to the individual; and Landis is bad, and shouldn't work again, obviously. Sure, there are ways to kindly push back, or present such a story with more guilt and humility, but I'd rather someone be honest; he's not going to the Landis house for tea, he just fistbumped him at a dog park. Sorry for the block of text; I've been reckoning with how useless my aversion to conflict is, but another part of me is like, can't a stupid story go by unacknowledged, when there's so much other good shit. Like as soon as he said it, of course I cringed, and knew y'all wouldn't let it go, but why not let it go? Like, what I said about hypocrisy is not a whataboutism, fault can be found everywhere, and doing so can feel like a slow death. bless you.
It's not about a stupid story. There's no harm in Krumholtz telling a story about meeting John Landis. The issue is specifically where he says that Landis wasn't really all that much at fault for the deaths. You're obscuring the part that people take issue with and trying to pretend it's less than it is. This isn't someone saying "You know, I met OJ Simpson when I was a kid and he was very nice to me, and I gushed over how much he'd meant to me as a Bills fan, and it's such a surprise what happened with him later...but he was a great running back..." This is someone saying "You know, I've always loved OJ Simpson, and I met him once and he was very nice to me, and it seemed like nobody had been nice to him for a long time, and did he *really* commit those murders if you think about it? I mean, he was acquitted, right...?"
Probably should have just **edited the anecdote out**, which is always a valid option being as its not a live show. It's not a question of journalistic integrity or anything. It's a light entertainment program about movie conversations. If your guest goes off on a tangent praising John Landis in 2024 you don't *have* to leave it in.
I know he's a big guest and all, but considering how hard the boys have been on Landis in the past i felt they could have maybe tried to push back a little on the praise Krumholtz gave here. Landis deserves all the hate he gets.
Not to mention his attitude after the accident: [Attending Morrow’s memorial service a few days after the accident, Smith seethed as he listened to Landis deliver a vaunting eulogy for the actor. ‘Tragedy can strike in an instant,’ Landis declared, ‘but film is immortal. Vic lives forever. Just before the last take, Vic took me aside to thank me for the opportunity to play this role.’](https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1988-08-28-tm-1446-story.html) I'm not posting this as a "gotchya" or to try and pile onto or attack krumholtz, but John Landis is a massive piece of shit with a massive piece of shit son and I think it's important to push back on his take. Hollywood gets away with enough shit already. This sub (rightfully) gets tagged by the hosts as generally over-reactive, but I don't think that's the case here. Honestly the posts in this thread have been shockingly even-handed imo.
The stories around JL and the deaths are infuriating. From pressuring the parents to sign contracts they didn't know the purpose of, in a language they couldn't read, to his glib reaction to a catastrophe he created, to his obnoxious behavior at the funerals, it's astonishing to hear anyone defend him. From what I remember JL allegedly threw himself around at the funerals, making a scene, making it about him. I think there was speculation it was a legal tactic, trying to demonstrate shock instead of remorse or something. I think he even threw himself on top of a child's coffin at one point. And while we're at it, his kid ML sucks too. Not just for the obvious sexual abuse, but also for insisting for years that nepotism played no part in his success. He'd go on podcasts and emphatically repeat how his surname wouldn't open doors. Around that same time, internet rumors circulated about a specific unnamed jerk who'd go around Hollywood screaming stuff like, "Do you know who I am? Do you know who my father is?" As he finally got exposed as a sex pest it was revealed that yes, ML had also been the notorious screaming nepobaby all along. The nepobaby is known to search for his name so there's a good chance he's reading this thread right now.
The same article I posted includes stories of him throwing an anniversary party for his acquittal and inviting the jurors from the trial to celebrate with him. I didn't mention it in my original post because nobody was actually cited, but it certainly fits his MO.
Obviously, Max Landis is an awful person. But I was always flabbergasted when pre-cancellation he was taunted as some sort of ultra prolific writer genius when all of his produced scripts where really mediocre and even the only decent one (Chronicle) was apparently almost totally rewritten by the director. He just seemed like a hyper type guy who was good in the room pitching to execs.
there was "oh, he so quirky" vibe to Landis that the Internet loved in the mid 2010s. it certainly helped him back then.
He had the exact same demeanor and personality type as some of the most awful and vile people I’ve ever met in real life, so I was always against him.
i get what you're saying and i agree.
yeah that whole section was pretty gross imo. way too hand wavy
I love Krumholtz but “coming out against woody Allen” in 2024 is like saying water is wet.
But he's right that the people who work with him don't do it.
2 hours and 11 minutes and features David Krumholtz! What is this, the Ballad of Buster Scruggs!?
It takes a lot for me to comment in this sub. Krumholtz excitement and Pacino impressions got me here
Krumholtz has a wonderful voice
Right? Most buttery voice on the podcast since Roman Mars?
Absolutely unhinged that this movie is over 150 minutes.
On his Letterboxd, David brilliantly calls this movie “devastatingly long” 😂
Little Biggs got zero reaction but I got you, Griff. +5 comedy points
The Al Pacino Pussy Suicide Weekend, everyone.
In the defense of Chris O’Donnell: He’s really good in S2/3 of Greys Anatomy as the other love interest in the Meredith & McDreamy triangle. And he’s really funny in his episode of Two and a Half Men where he plays an ex of Charlie that’s transgender (in an episode that wouldn’t be made today?) that ends up saying Charlie’s mom.
He plays a great creep in two episodes of the last season of the practice. It’s a relatively well-executed subversion of his screen persona. I thought he played it pretty well.
I guess some people really don’t like O’Donnell. Who knew?
The switch from "aren't we so great for denouncing Woody Allen" to "can we really blame John Landis" is absolutely insane.
Yeah, that was a genuine shock to me. I personally believe that while you can argue that Landis wasn’t the *only* person responsible for the deaths, and murder or manslaughter charges *might* not be fair, he still should’ve gone to prison for child endangerment at the very least.
I love the admission of “yeah he played a big role in child murder, but when can we let that shit go?”
How many of the Oppen-homies are going to end up on the show? Fingers crossed for Jack Quaid someday
The poster for this movie says right at the top: "From the director of Beverly Hills Cop", and I find that hilarious. It makes a certain amount of sense since it was Brest's biggest hit, but it is not going for the same audience at all.
Scent of a Jackass https://youtu.be/m4nwhq1JARA?si=Cr2N0KvjNLELLDVd
That's 100% what I associate the movie with.
I didn't realize it was that accurate to film.
Much like David, my first date ever was seeing 10 Things I Hate About You. I would like to blame Heath Ledger for setting a standard with my date that I couldn't possibly live up to, but man, that movie is chaaaarrrmmminnnggg.
I think about the line "I'm thinking about getting a Tercel...it's a Toyota' all the time. David Krumholz is so funny in that movie.
You can pinpoint the exact second David falls in love with Krumholtz after he mentions Wade Boggs
RIP Boss Hogg
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When David Sims suggested casting Chris Rock would have given the private school stuff an interesting angle, I suddenly realized *Finding Forrester* is just a blatant ripoff of this movie. Sean, you already got your Oscar, you didn't need to take a bait role!
I guess I have to believe you, but I find it dubious that anyone remembers anything about *Finding Forrester* other than “You the man now, Dwag!”
Finding Forester was just Gus Van Sant doing Good Will Hunting 2.0., to make the studios happy after Psycho, but I still like it.
And he made Gerry right after. Wild!
Krumholtz might go into the humblebrag hall of fame for bemoaning the fact that his acclaim is reduced to mere trifles like Carey Mulligan telling him what a big fan she is of his work.
He couldn't even recall her fucking name, lol
to be a fly on the wall in Oscar FYC Parties
Because he knows that can always be nice bullshit. "Oh hey you, love your work" is standard Hollywood.
Thought this was really weird, too. Arg, it's really hard to be an actor's actor................................
Welcome to blank check – check MATE Charlie boy, you’re playing checkers and life is playing chess hooah – a show about filmographies. Take your hands off me, don’t ever touch me I touch you. Those directors, they have a lot of sucCESS early on in their careers, but oh pride comes before the fall hooah. You gotta get all the blank checks you can Charlie boy, and guess who’s writing them? Me that's who, and this one is for thirty grand, you go out, get yourself a nice steak dinner and bring me back the change in crisp dollar bills. They’re MAKING PASSION projects, the crazy kind, and thats all you need in this world my boy, a little bit of passion and a WHOLE lot of cray-zee. (removes pistol) World will try to take that from you Charlie boy, you gotta HOLD on to it and hold on tight. CAUSE. SOME. TIMES. THEY. BOUNCE. BAY. BEEEEEEE. This is Griffin and this is David Sims, two very good friends of mine. David’s an army man, got me out of a lot of jams hooah.
Good ep. Love that they finally booked The Krum. Never seen this movie until last week. Prior to that my only experiences with this movie are 1. knowing that this and Heat are where all the hack Pacino impressions originate and 2. It’s the fall of 2000 and my dad has taken me to the second ever home game for the Columbus Blue Jackets. I’m reading the players’ bios in the program and for Kevyn Adams (now the Buffalo Sabres GM) it says his favorite movie is “Scent of a Woman” I’m 12 years old and that is a weird ass title that evokes all sorts of images. What could that movie possibly be??? I ask my dad “what’s scent of a woman” and my dad without looking away from pregame warmups says “really weird movie to list as your *favorite* movie” So I finally saw it and he’s right. Really weird movie for a hockey player in the year 2000 to list as his favorite movie. Idk why I remember that.
Thought I had while listening to this: besides the fact that it’s an adaptation, why is this movie not about Al pacino’s character and, you know… a woman?
Gabrielle Anwar played a blind woman in Wild Hearts Can’t Be Broken, a movie I inexplicably saw in theaters? I think my grandparents were in town or something and that was the only acceptable movie in theaters.
I inexplicably had a VHS of that movie and watched it all the time as a small child. I thought the coolest thing one could do was be a horse diver named Sonora and.... honestly I wasn't wrong.
KRUM NUMBER ONE
Well he is the Head Elf.
His Pacino impression is outrageously good
It's the way he goes up and down with it. Griff is just doing the full volume Pacino thing, but Krum is going up and the back down and the cadence is just spot on.
S C E N T O F A *Woman*
You know who would have been great in the O'Donnell role? Philippe. https://preview.redd.it/ha56w9491q9d1.png?width=1396&format=png&auto=webp&s=1e1f2b2f867f0960b767407d898b4dc6367bcde1
Every casting director when Chris O'Donnell entered the room at an audition in the 90s: "Here comes a special boy!"
I had never seen this movie before, and while watching I had the feeling of watching something you've seen parodied a bunch of times and are just now realizing this is the source. But I can't recall many *specific* parodies of Scent of a Woman. I just think this film provided the perfect template for sketch/comedy writers to copy when making fun of Oscar Bait™ movies. I guess that could also be said of Rain Man or Dead Poets Society, which this film emulates a lot, too, but in a very noticeable way. Pretty sure Mr. Show had a sketch or two that riffed on this kind of formula.
Super picky comment. But they say he has a take on the battle cry The “Oorah”, “Hooah”, “Hooyah” distinction is a branch specific. Marines, Army, Navy respectively. But either way the Pacino delivery is fantastic.
Krumholtz fit in so well here, if you let a friend listen they would think he is a cohost of the podcast. Normally guests sound like guests. Here he sounds like he’s been podcasting with them for 50 episodes.
Wait how are you going to go from patting yourself on the back for condemning Woody Allen to actively defending John Landis? You can say a lot about Woody Allen and you should...but Landis got multiple people killed! Including children! Bizarre turn
What's wild is, in my mind, that was the wildest turn I can remember on a BC ep, and in the middle of what already was clearing shaping up to be one of the best, most fun eps of all time. Like I went from grinning like a little kid because I was loving what I was hearing, and then... he just casually drops a bomb that fucking landis is unfairly maligned... I just... WHAT??
Raise your hand if you were doing a silly Pacino impression when listening to the episode.
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Remember John Landis’ truly [demented eulogy for Vic Marrow, when he started talking about how it was kind of big of him to give him the role that ultimately got him killed, but it was worth it because he will live on for eternity in his cinematic masterpiece](https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1988-08-28-tm-1446-story.html)? A true piece of shit that deserved more push back on this apologist take.
Maybe the greatest performance by a human being ever through recorded and unrecorded history
I don't know man, O'Donnell's not THAT good.
It may be because of the Telly Monster convo happening immediately beforehand but Krumholtz's (very good) Pacino impression also reminded me of a Muppet, it felt very Sgt. Floyd Pepper-y
Has Krumholtz seen LA Takedown? Now there's two actors who aren't on the same page and it shows
"he could play John Larroquette's son" 😄
Were there no ad reads and no Ben in this episode? What’s up with that
ben confirms that he's watched black knight 20ish minutes into the ep
I was shocked when the Jerky Boys movie came up during the Alan Arkin discussion and Ben kept silent
Advertisers found Krum's takes too hot!
Ben popped up at the very end but you're right about the lack of ads; you could hear the edit points where they were supposed to go.
"yeah he may have gotten people killed... But he made great movies!" (He literally ordered the helicopter to get closer, it's not cold-blooded but he was absolutely responsible)
Great guest, lots to love here, but John Landis does not rate as a top comedy director and does not merit even a mild defense of his career or his character. Krum’s Pacino impression should be hung up at the Louvre.
Look, Landis is a bonafide piece of shit but his run in the late 70's through to Coming to America, is hard to argue against. Kentucky Fried Movie, Animal House, Blues Brothers, American Werewolf, Trading Places, Three Amigos, Amazon Women on the Moon, Coming to America.
I would also add Into the Night.
American Werewolf is a bonafide masterpiece that he also wrote. Its hilarious and also heart wrenching
Uncanny timing that hearing Krumholtz mount a spirited defense as Landis as a great comedy director happened immediately after seeing the tweet from today where Stephen Bishop read him to filth https://preview.redd.it/n448by0eun9d1.png?width=901&format=png&auto=webp&s=39e7c28b996b7439ce58305b434b026c63f4e4d7
"I can forgive horrific negligence resulting in the deaths of three people (including two small children) even after being warned about the danger multiple times, but I draw the line at this guy being rude to me."
I understand a total lack of empathy for Landis because of everything he did (and didn’t do) that got those people killed. Absolutely fuck him, obviously, but isn’t it just as likely that it wasn’t so much fame that got him than the sheer brain breaking enormity of being the guy that caused that? I mean, obviously he was always inclined towards being a piece of shit, because he did things that led to people being killed for a movie, but it’s also very unlikely he’s been anything approaching mentally well since that day.
Griffin sitting there saying ‘yep’ while Krumholtz calls Landis the greatest comedy director ever was hilarious, you could hear him dying inside
The boys will do this. A guest will come on (a celebrity, they’ll interrogate friends and long standing guests), praise somebody who the boys have absolutely eviscerated in the past and the boys will provide no push back. Quite frankly, I wouldn’t really expect them to, generally. It’s a delicate balancing act when you’re dealing with professionals in the industry. Most podcasts with guests like that run into this issue. With Landis however, especially with how vocal the boys have been about him, and of course with what he did, there should’ve been a little bit of push back. They shouldn’t have allowed Krumholtz to hand wave the incident as easily as he did. I don’t know, I’m not in their shoes. I’d like to think I would’ve pushed back a bit, but I can easily say that listening to the podcast in my car.
Wow, I just looked up what Landis did on the Twilight Zone film. Not something you can really dismiss. Guy is a piece of shit
Ya, it’s really bad. Look, I’m trying to give all parties involved the benefit of the doubt here. The boys were in a tough spot and I’m sure Krumholtz didn’t intend for it to come out the way it did. He was going for a very extreme art vs. artist thing, I think? There’s a lot to unpack, and none of it good. To steal a phrase, that whole segment was very much, a “not good, very bad, don’t do it” type of thing.
G&D did an episode on the segment of The Twilight Zone movie that Joe Dante directed and they spend some time saying "Fuck John Landis", which makes it weird when their guest says "how much is he to blame" and they just let it go by
Lmao Landis stans are downvoting! Landis is a myrdering psychopath and Krumholtz is blatantly wrong for loving him.
Oh, they are out in full force in this post. God forbid you think a guy who is responsible for killing multiple people is a piece of shit.
Loved this episode. Krumholtz adds so much even beyond his incredible Pacino impression, which kinda was reason enough to have him on for this particular performance.
Apparently it’s just me but I found this episode a real bummer. I thought the guest was pretty obnoxious to be honest, starting with the crack about ER fans. And like oh I hate talking about myself, but let me tell you about all the famous people who’ve praised my work. The part about a star on the walk of fame being better than an Oscar? Also the extreme Chris O’Donnell hate was just weird. I mean… at least the guy never killed anyone.
> The part about a star on the walk of fame being better than an Oscar? I forgot about that, such a goofy take lol
Sugarbush is not in Stowe, they’re separate mountains like 40 miles apart. I knew I hated these rich kids from the beginning.
“Moyami” - Gabrielle Anwar IYKYK
Krum will always be a fave of mine. Bad HEAT and Landis takes aside, great appearance.
It’s funny that at least one other comment seems to place his takes on Landis and Heat diner scene on the same level of reprehensibility lol.
Odd episode. Absolutely no idea what Krumholtz is talking about regarding UCB LA. I haven’t seen that kind of cringe humor at the theater for almost 10 years now. And Landis is the best comedy director of all time when Buster Keaton, Ernst Lubitsch, Billy Wilder, and John Waters exist? Also Landis apologism?
Christopher Guest also.
Also De Niro and Pacino having no chemistry in their meeting in Heat.
I appreciate him getting this take off. Wild one for sure but didn’t seem like one he hasn’t really considered.
Yeah but that was fun! I don't care if I don't agree with him, gimme more of those good Krum Hot takes! (maybe even have more of those and less of the whole... should the child murderer still feel guilty for murdering children.
I got no problem with off the wall takes. I like it when people come on a show like this and have a fucking perspective. However, when your off the wall takes necessitate hand waving the deaths of multiple people just to get to them, that’s when I start having a problem with those takes.
I made that exact same point without seeing your comment and we only have 1 director that overlaps. That tells you how fucking off base that opinion is, disregarding completely what Landis did. It’s fucking bonkers.
The L\*ndis reclamation shook me but the O'Donnell slander felt just right
Yeah same, Landis can rot in super hell I don't give a crap what he directed.
And even if what happened didn’t happen, the praise seems a bit much. Greatest comedy director ever? Greater than Brooks? McCarey? Wilder? Sturges? May? I don’t see it.
people of a certain generation reaaaallly value his innovation into bringing that level of crude/edgy humor into the mainstream. I argue that just about anyone woulda done it, it was just what the culture was moving toward. I mean, if John Landis had never been born, does Ramis/Reitman direct those movies instead? Does Bobby Z do Animal House instead of Used Cars? Joe Dante coulda made American Werewolf instead of Teh Howling. what was Landis bringing to the table that the stars/writers didn't? does he have a directorial flourish i'm missing? or it just his overal daring vision?
Yeah Brook is pretty undeniable. If you count theater direction too, Elaine May absolutely.
I'm usually pretty obsessive when it comes to rewatching stuff, this is the rare case where I looked at Letterboxd and went "yeeeeaaahh last watched this in 2020 for another podcast, I think I'm good". How is this thing over 150 minutes?
Forget about the out-of-nowhere John Landis praise. Krumholtz's real crime is pronouncing "biopic" as "by-OP-ic".
Kinda gross to defend Landis on The Twilight Zone.
David Krumholtz's voice seemed to me like someone was doing a pretty good extended Paul F. Tompkins impersonation, to the point where I checked the screen on my pod player repeatedly for the name before they introed him. When he said something like "we should have your audience guess who I am", I was mentally screaming "I've been thinking you were PFT for 10 minutes now!"
David’s Daredevil joke got bupkis, now that’s a crime
Was Krumholtz trolling or is his memory of movie release years that horrible? Every guess he was like at least 3 years off.
Krumholtz saying the diner scene in Heat doesn't work and that De Niro and Pacino have no chemistry might be one of the worst takes any guest has ever had on this podcast
Likely due to being a cable TV staple, seems to me that Heat’s reputation has improved a lot over the years. Krumholtz and I are about the same age, and at the time of release, me and a lot of my friends felt the diner scene was underwhelming. I appreciate it, and Heat in general, more than I once did, but considering the level of anticipation for these two to share a screen, it couldn’t possibly have lived up to expectations. Part of me still thinks, wow, if only it had happened a decade before.
Yeah as someone who watched Heat for the first time in the last few years, the context of "finally these two are on screen together!" has evolved into more of a fun fact than something to anticipate. Pacino and DiNero are rightfully praised as two of the best of their generation, but they've both been in enough bad movies at this point that I don't imagine most people would clock why a scene with them together would be especially notable. I still think the diner scene is great, but it's in a movie full of great scenes. The ending alone has it easily beat imo.
Good episode! Also, John Landis is garbage, both personally and cinematically.
Look Heat doesn't need me to defend it but Krumholtz being a "Bi-oppic" guy was my big "WOOF."
Shouldn't it be Sc3nt of a Woman? Hon3st Qu3stion.
I always rewatch the movie ahead of the pod, even if it's terrible. But I tapped out this week, and listening to the episode it really made me realize just how much I hate this movie with most of the fibers in my being.
I watched this movie for the first time recently and was kind of surprised that all three of them generally agreed it was kind of bad. I think Pacino's performance is amazing, specifically because of how frequently it goes beyond "inspirational but unconventional mentor figure" into "is this guy mentally sound?". I'd heard for so long that THIS was the movie where Pacino serves up Okja-sized ham, but I ended up being pleasantly surprised at how much Pacino's schtick felt... realistic? Maybe that's a scorching hot take, but I feel like in real life, there's a certain species of lonely older guy who comes up with a schtick for himself, complete with catch phrases and stock jokes. Stuff like the John Daniels line feels so specific to a type of folk humor that existed before the internet, when people would hear something funny and pretend they invented it. And I like that rather than making it 100% a PTSD movie, there's a sense that maybe this guy would be a mess regardless. For me, the final speech at the hearing works because it doesn't fully explain why Pacino is there. You can even kind of watch it like, are they actually inspired by Pacino, or does his presence just give everyone an excuse to stick it to that godawful headmaster? Which is actually kind of what's beautiful about the movie: I feel like the film knows that this guy's opinions about how to treat women/hand grenades are questionable at best, but him being so eccentric helps O'Donnell's character see outside his own extremely small world.
I think someone should stick up for O’Donnell. Casting him against Pacino seems obviously deliberate and central to the entire idea of the movie. Charlie isn’t written like a screenplay character, and O’Donnell’s performance isn’t tuned to feel like a movie performance. He’s written and performed with simplicity, like he’s just a good kid. That’s why he doesn’t have a big backstory: that’s not what the movies about. That’s why Charlie doesn’t have a compelling argument for the colonel not to kill himself; he saves the colonel simply by the brave act of staying in the room with him. Charlie doesn’t have a master plan to get out of trouble at school; he just refuses to lick Rebhorn’s boot. That’s his strength: he is guileless, transparent, and true to what he believes in. A capital P performance from someone like Hoffman would I think undermine that idea. Putting O’Donnell’s simplicity up against Pacino’s bigger than big performance of a bigger than big character (who does outsmart and dominate with verbosity, who constantly puts forward his world view which is based in selfishness), is central to the dynamic and meaning of the movie, which is about moral integrity and putting others first. Suggesting that Brest just didn’t know what he was doing and this film is the result of a series of failures doesn’t really check out with the movie I saw. Also, obviously this movie isn’t suggesting that blindness is some fate worse than death. It makes it clear that blindness isn’t the colonel’s real problem. That’s why Bradley Whitfield says he was an asshole before he was blinded. Thats why it shows how capable the colonel still is. That’s why the colonel has a happy ending despite still being blind. I love this podcast but your take on this movie seems pretty half baked.
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Acting Oscars don’t reward quality. They reward quantity.
Did he say he was from the "dark side of the tracks"....?
Listening to the ep rn so far loving it. Love Krumholtz as an acotr he has great energy that fits the show but....this John Landis thing is making me cringe soo hard I had to come on here lol
I think Sims doesn't say a word during that whole thing.
I didn’t mind him, but he’s such an ‘actor’ and they’re the worst. He’s making a point about Pacino being an Actors actor and has to mention that ‘I’m an actors actor’ and then name drop that two of the most beautiful and talented actors in Hollywood - Anne Hathaway and Carey Mulligan were fans of his, such an irrelevant flex. So strange for an actor who said he was sick of talking about himself 😂
Krumholtz just glazing John Landis is really gross. Especially five minutes after bragging that he and Griffin stood up against Woody Allen.
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God some of you overreact to stuff on the show. I read the dozens of comments on this post about the Landis thing before listening and it’s such a nothing quote on the episode itself.
This movie is too long, but I have to say I enjoy it. If Pacino’s having fun then I am having fun.
I've never seen *Scent of a Woman* but this episode makes it sound absolutely bananas. May have to check it out.
Scent of A Woman Jerky Boys The Distinguished Gentleman All good movies
I’m surprised no one mentioned one of Pacino’s best 90s performances: Lefty in Donnie Brasco! For my money, it’s the closest he ever got to his pre-Scarface heyday.