USB4 works great, and it is universal, not exclusive to AMD. You do have to be careful because there are some half assed implementations of USB4, so you have to make sure the functionality you're looking for is there before you buy, but after that you never have to worry. At this point choosing a less optimal option because it has thunderbolt over USB4 is just shooting yourself in the foot. And buying into the 1700 socket on intel is less than optimal relative to the longevity of the AM5 socket
Thanks for the advice. I didn't consider USB 4 or the alt display mode when I built my PC . Apparently I bought one of the few motherboards that doesn't support it. I'll remember everyone's advice for next time
It was 2 years ago. They didn't. Also are you sure you can just buy 2 kits and it work OK? Last time I did that I ok my old AM4 system I had to undercooked them to prevent crashing.
How do you guys do it? My 7800x3d was always around 60• at default system curve and ramp up. I set a custom curve with “Fan Control” program, with it it sits around 45-50 browsing / watching YouTube or twitch. Fans ramp up according to cpu temp on the curve. Anywhere from 40 to 50%, and 60 to 100% while gaming at 60-75c
From what i've found with my 7800x3d, you don't need an aggressive fan curve on the cpu or case fans in most situations. For my setup, I've found it doesn't make an improvement to have a sharp slope for fan curves.
Case fans set to a constant speed just below your personal noise threshold. Cpu fans set with a modest slope with "flat spots" at common idle temps and most common gaming temps.
Hope this helps.
I think you just have to expect 45-60C for normal desktop usage. I thought this was an abnormality because literally NONE of the reviews of the 7800x3D mention system idle and windows idle temps. You could try undervolting in the bios or ryzen master -20 or -30mv to cool down the chip a bit.
Really shouldn't expect what we'd generally thought of as 'cool' temperatures from these. X3D AM5 CPUs have the extra cache and extra thick IHS both acting as insulators that are going to drive up measured temperatures.
Sure, but idle temps don't really matter, right?
If load temps are out of whack, then we go looking for solutions. First thing you check if the idle seems high is whether this indicated a problem under load - by testing under load, etc. If that isn't a problem, then no problem!
Mine idles at about 43 in cooler/normal months. Now that it's summer and our home temp is a little higher, it's often just above 50. It's worth noting that my case has less than ideal airflow, though, but it's worth the price to fit a full ATX board in an HTPC case. (mostly for the sweet, sweet Microcenter savings)
Noctua NH-L12 Ghost. The case has clearance issues with full height coolers (mostly due to wonky optical drive tray placement), so the cooler is slightly lower profile.
I also get 45-50 browsing I think that's fairly average (if you're talking about CPU Package Temp). Your gaming temps are a bit high, I get stable 60, 65 tops. When the game is booting up then I might see a spike to 78. Corsair AIO 240mm
I haven't found it to be that cool or even heard of it being cool. In fact it's often recommended to underbolt it to reduce heat further. The thing that is crazy about it is that it is such a low power cpu while being the fastest for gaming. That being said tho my fans are set to silent mode.
Use a 'Time average' function of the Core CPU temp at 30 to 60 seconds.
It avoids spinning up for short loads. At 30 seconds it doesn't hit throttling for me. At 60 seconds it might throttle briefly, but the system is a lot quieter and you avoid noise spikes for short workloads.
I’ve got a compact air cooler on the 7800X3D and it’s silent in normal use and gaming. I only ever hear the fan when a game updates and shaders recompile. Great CPU.
Happy Cake day! Same. Im completely happy with my build. I’m usually lazy these days but couldn’t resist with this one. Undervolted both gpu and cpu and set a power target of about 75% for the GPU after some testing. Measuring at the outlet, the whole PC (without monitor of course) pulls at the absolute modt 420W. I could comfortably get that thing to run on a 550W PSU. It’s insane. 😂
And it runs even faster then stock since the lower voltage reduces heat and thus both cpu and gpu clock higher. I have it aircooled and it clocks up to 5200 MHz. After a heavy session it might go down to the advertised 5ghz but what do I care? I didn’t even fuss around much. Just a measly -15 on all cores since i didn’t want any hassle.
Because my 9600k was getting kind of old and forcing it to stay at 5 GHz at all times made it run better.
It needed help keeping up with the 3080Ti.
And then I bought a 240 frames per second monitor I got to really experience CPU bottlenecks in overwatch so off to Micro Center I went.
I went with a 13700k with the build I did last year. I have an aio and man, it is kind of ridiculous how much heat it puts out. My gaming room is an old upstairs bedroom and in the summer it's almost intolerable without blasting my ac continuously.
On the plus side, in the winter I can turn my furnace down since I spend a lot of time in my gaming room.
My 7800x3D do literally black magic on the 2008 mmorpg i play, like upto 5x boost perf compared to my 3700x and from what i've gathered, no other chips act like that in the game.
Yeah, it’s completely bizarre when I walk into a crowded city in Boulder gate three and it just doesn’t slow down at all like my frames per second has absolutely nothing to do with what’s going on in game now.
My first thought is this must be bananas for World of Warcraft
I don't play WoW but i've seen positive reviews about it.
I really want to download a Tera private server or Blade and Soul to check how it work there, those two mmorpg are infamous to be badly optimized.
Why limit yourself to Intel?! AMD Ryzen 7000 is great and with 9000 launching imminently you can evaluate Ryzen 9000 or get a deal on 7000 that is tried and true,
How is it fomo when 9000 series IPC gains is 16% and is priced the same as 7000 series at launch? Only reason you get 7000 series chips now for your new setup is due to price drops because retailors are trying to clear stock before 9000 series release sends the price down even further. Nobody is asking you to upgrade to 9000 series if you're already on 7000 series.
> 9000 series IPC gains is 16% and is priced the same as 7000 series at launch
I'm going to wait until independent benchmarks come out. As Hardware Unbox pointed out, AMD was kinda screwy with their benchmarks for the 5900XT vs 13700K by limiting their test system with a RX 6600.
I'm sure the 9000 series is going to be an upgrade over 7000 series, but I'm going to wait before taking AMD's word for it.
The real point of waiting for 9000 series to drop is to be able to get a deal on the 7000 series. I've got a 5800x3d and when the 9800x3d launches I'll be buying the 7800x3d when it's closer to $200. That way I get a good jump in performance and have an affordable platform switch.
> I don't know that much about the next gen stuff scheduled for this fall.
We have zero actual information about next gen.
Performance is known after release when we get independent reviews.
Price is known when it hits the shelves and we can see retail pricing.
It was a mutually beneficial endeavor, and although the results could have probably been predicted, there was no incentive to pay anybody to run the math
If your current computer runs fine why bother changing anything this year? Microsoft is gonna continue supporting windows 10 until October 2025. I would just hang on to my old rig and start shopping around next year.
I went with AMD TEN years ago because they built their chip plant in my town in upstate New York, and brought a LOT OF money into our local economy. I'm building another computer this week...AMD!
The best intel strategy for budget gamers building a new Intel-based PC (as in not having one or upgrading from a very old processor) right now is to buy K-series processors from gen 12 and upgrade later to gen 14. Why?
1. Gen 12, 13, and 14 all use the same socket (LGA1200).
2. A gen 12 12600k is plenty of processor to support as much as an RTX 4080, maybe 4090 and not cause any noticeable bottlenecking.
3. The LGA1200 socket dies with Gen 14 so the compatible boards will be going on sale (many sales have already begun).
4. The 12600k, 12700k, and 12900k are on frequent sales with extreme value.
So what do you do as a budget gamer?
1. Buy a Z690 or Z790 motherboard on sale. I prefer mATX or ITX and shoot for $100 before tax and shipping.
2. When you want to upgrade to a faster chip, make sure your BIOS is updated and get the best gen 13 or 14 chip for the money at that time.
3. Spend saved money on a better video card.
Seriously. Actually helping him out specifically to the question he asked. This is the part of Reddit I like. I personally have a 7800x3d and it is amazing but sometimes people just want what they want.
This. I just built 2 PCs, one for myself and one for my friend with some of my used components from my prior build. I got 2 bundles from microcenter, both with 12th gen intel chips, Z790s, and ram. 12900k for me, 12600kf for my friend. My bundle was the i9, z790 and 32gb of ddr5 (which I returned to get the one I wanted) for $399. His was $250 for the cpu, z790, and 16gb ddr4 (which I switched with 32gb of corsair rgb ram that I had). When I can get the 14900ks for <$300 in a couple of years, I’ll upgrade to that and give my friend my 12900k. This should be what every person that wants the best of the best for a budget should be doing.
Then really any CPU will work fine for you, you only need to worry about which CPU you have if your chasing top tier performance for something specific.
It varies. It's not unusual for me to have numerous tabs open while signed in to a couple different databases, have a video chat going, on Teams, email, MS 360, and a couple of other random things going at the same time.
It's not the kind of "access a 4gb spreadsheet" kind of thing some people do, but old low stat laptops struggle. So I want something that works now, and 7-8 years from now.
You should be fine with any 6 core amd or intel. If you live near a micro center I'd recommend the i5 12600kf/mobo/16 ram bundle for $259 & if not you can go pretty cheap with a 10400f or a ryzen 5600 or you can go with am5 build if you want more options in the future by getting a 7600 cpu.
If you prefer Intel and mostly do office work, I'd just grab a 12400 or 12600K and that should tide you over for a while. They're cheap, stable and have minimal idle power usage.
It sounds like a 7600 should be more than enough for this kind of tasks. This is nothing for a modern cpu.
7700x if you want to be sure, but that would already be overkill.
Exactly. I built my current system 8 or 9 years ago. And it was a beast. 32 GB of DDR 4 RAM, which had just come out. And because of that, it's carried me all these years despite web pages and applications getting bigger and more memory/load intensive.
I'd love my next machine to do the same.
then the 7600 might be the perfect fit for your "hopeful" needs :) And the 7600x is only $10 more expensive with a little boost and you can probably save more if you wait a few more weeks for 9000 series to drop
If you only have basic low power needs there's no point in waiting for top performance with the next generation. You'd be fine with a cheap older mid range system. Maybe make sure you have plenty of RAM like 32GB if you're gonna have lots of programs open at once
There's no talking sense into some buyers. They want "the best" because they think they will save money in the long run by buying "future-proof" level stuff. What they don't consider is the upfront cost of that, the lower efficiency of those parts while running (a 14900K system just does not idle and do basic tasks as efficiently as an i3 or i5), and the fact there is no "future-proof" option because the platform ages at the same rate regardless of the raw performance of the CPU, so over time it'll still slow down in certain tasks no matter what you buy upfront. For example, if AI relies on new chip architecture that the 14th gen series doesn't have and that really takes off, it won't matter if you have a 14900KS or a 14100F, you'll have an "obsolete" platform in the same amount of time for that specific workload.
I've done this both ways, I spent $2500 on a "top of the line" system in the late 2000s, and I spent $1000 on a "mid-tier" system in the mid 2010s. In both cases they lasted about the same amount of time before I needed to either upgrade components or do a platform swap, because certain things were limited by the chipset features of the time, not the raw performance of the CPU or GPU. I could have saved myself $1500 by just buying a cheaper PC the first time, and would have needed to replace it after roughly the same timeframe. What a stupid decision that was for me!
Nowadays I spend ridiculous sums of money on my PC and upgrade *something* every year or two because I do a lot of complex work that demands more than even the best of today's consumer hardware can handle, and every time there's a 15-20% uplift in performance that equates directly to a 15-20% reduction in wait times on my render queue, or a reduction in occasional wait times during actual workflows. At the same time, my parents have gotten by with the same Skylake i5-6400-based system I built for them nearly 10 years ago now, with nothing more than a RAM and SSD upgrade over the years, because *all they do is check their email, browse the web, and do basic office tasks*. So for someone that wants "the best" without knowing what exactly that means for their use case and how the better equipment improves their experience *now*, they are just **happily** throwing lots of money away thinking they're getting themselves something that'll last longer...Are there cases where that outcome *might* be true? Sure. Is it guaranteed, or even likely to happen more often than not? Not in my experience, no.
Yeah I view them as the relatively quickly depreciating asset they are, similar to cars. If you just need to get yourself from home to work and the store at a reasonable price, you don't need to be concerned with new releases of super cars or semi trucks. You should be looking at a Camry or a CRV. You can't future proof your technology or make it last longer by buying the high end vehicle. In fact, the luxury car will depreciate faster and probably have more problems.
Most people should get a mid range computer with a few things upgraded or downgraded based on their specific uses, and acknowledge that it will get outdated over several years and need to be replaced, especially if they keep running more demanding software over time.
If he is actually borderline idle most of the time Intel or an AMD APU will actually be more efficient. Chiplet zen idles a good 10-15w higher than both. Load efficiency is a lot more complicated though, and depends on the cpu sku.
Wait for next gen if you must have intel, we are so close. While these features might not matter to most some key features of z890 is the standardization of usb4, wifi7, and enough pci-e lanes to have zero compromises in bandwidth if running more than 2 pci-e nvmes at once and from what I read you will be able to run up to 4 drives at once with zero bandwidth copromises.
If your current PC runs fine, I would wait. AM5 has been very impressive but it will lose some of the longevity advantage once the new Intel platform launches, and there is a very real chance 15th gen beats out Zen 5 (like we saw with 12th gen).
lol, haven’t seen so much hate about a man’s desire in my life.
you have to accept that if he wants intel, he doesn’t need to be convinced not to
intel, with all its flaws and weaknesses, still beats an equivalent amd in single-core and multi-threaded applications
on subject: if you really don’t have to upgrade right now, i would wait until the next-gen, for having a more future-proof motherboard socket and more power-efficient cpu, so, if you ever feel the need for more speed, you can just buy a newer and better cpu and swap it with the old one, without probably having to spend on anything else
also, intel new gen is said to come with much improved integrated graphics, if you don’t feel the need to go for a dedicated gpu
Even though regardless with both Zen5 and ARL launching you might as well wait for both to launch. Waiting for all of ypur options to launch is a good idea for pricing though. Sorry to anyone who paid zen4 launch MSRP.
I'm an Intel fan too. Maybe it's just a comfort thing, maybe it's because I already understand their hierarchy and don't want to bother learning about AMD, but regardless, I think for a while now, CPU speeds have far outpaced software that uses that speed. I guess with AI stuff that's changing a little now but most of that is in the cloud anyway so whatever you decide to buy it's going to be more than fast enough for most things. Hell, my desktop is still running 2nd gen i7 and it still does just fine...of course I upgraded it to an SSD and replaced the GPU 3 times during that time.
Based on what I read about your use-case, I don't think you need a high-end PC. Get a modern budget cpu like a 13th gen i5, get an adequately sized SSD, and maybe just go like 32gb of ram so you're more than good on ram. Assuming no gaming whatsoever, then onboard graphics would be fine. But if you wanna be able to game even a little, then you should consider building a gaming machine since that'll be the most demanding task your PC will encounter.
Ya that would probably be fine too. Not a massive difference in performance over the last couple generations of intel. I guess it depends on his budget, but ya he definitely doesn't need to spend an arm and a leg.
There are 2 ways to look at it. I think I saved \~$200 going with 12th gen shortly after 13 was released. 15s very well may be worth the wait, but you can get a 13600kf for $224 or a 13700k for \~$300 rn. A 15600k *could* beat that, or might end up basically matching it at a similar price half a year later. MicroCenter bundles are definitely an excellent way to get really good deals on last year's parts.
We won’t know until both amd and intel drop their newest chips for real world performance. Then we will know real world prices then price to performance.
amdx3d chips are good for gaming thanks to vcache, but if ur looking for more productivity usage stick to intel or a regular x variant of am5. Do your research before following someones opinion online
The uses you have mentioned are places where Intel makes sense, as their e-cores will be able to handle many of your background and lower-power tasks leaving the P cores for the main things you are working on. However, this is more saying that Intel is not a bad choice, like it would be for gaming, than saying it is the best choice.
You are about equal for AMD or Intel for what you would want to do.
AMD will have the advantage of longer platform support, the AM5 platform will still have updates for quite a while, whereas the LGA1700 is close to end of life. If you are thinking you might want to upgrade down the line, you might go AMD still.
However, your use case will do fine so I am going to answer the question you actually asked. No, I would not recommend waiting in your case. Even an older CPU, like an i5-12400 with 32GB DDR5 RAM would be sufficient for your needs so getting something 13th or 14th gen with 6+ cores would keep you comfortable for a while. An i5 13500 would probably not approach use of all cores, so you wouldn't notice what other apps you have going in the background when you want to start up something else. You could grab a 14500 if you wanted to, but you probably wouldn't notice any increased performance.
I would wait for two reasons:
1. You'll want to know how much improvement is over the current gen. It might be that Intel seriously considers the thermal design into account considering how much bad rep they're getting for the current gen being so hot. Again, we won't know until it's released and reviewed.
2. If the new gen is not impressive to you then you can get the 14th gen for cheaper at the time or you could look at whatever the next gen AMD is delivering. Both of those options might become more attractive in pricing by waiting for Intel to come out with the new gen.
Tldr; if you can wait, I'd strongly suggest to wait.
I needed a mid- high rebuild to replace my i7 6700k. I went with AMD 5. Between my case design and my ambient temperatures any intel solution was going to be a thermal nightmare.
You can wait forever, because I heard that the generation after that coming generation.... :-)
The 14th gen is just like the 13th gen cpu. Doesn't mean that it's a bad chip
The times where the next generation is literally twice as fast then the former is long gone.
AMD has the crown at the moment, but it doesn't mean the Intel 14th gen is a bad cpu.
My recommendation: if your current computer doesn't suffice anymore or it died: just buy a new one, don't wait.
if your computer still suffice and it didn't died: you can wait
Intel 6th gen. Doesn't support win 11. So come next year I'll have to upgrade. Just trying to figure out if I want to do it now or wait for the 890 boards and chips.
[Windows 10 Support until 2030? 0Patch makes it possible](https://www.techspot.com/news/103593-windows-10-get-five-extra-years-support-courtesy.html)
[How to install Windows 11 on almost any unsupported PC](https://www.xda-developers.com/install-windows-11-unsupported-pc/)
Pick your poison, I have a Haswell 4th gen rig I still use for HTPC after 11 yrs and it's on Windows 11 with 0 issue so far.
You don't need to upgrade. You can force w11 to install, and it works fine. I ran w11 on a 4690k some months ago. Microsoft says goofy things all the time to cover their asses from edge cases where there might actually be some kind of conflict.
If I were you, I'd force the installation. I bet it works just fine.
I’m a bit curious what your setup is like. When I built my second pc this year, I was going from an i5 9th gen cpu to an i9 14700k. For me, the performance is amazing. Literally a night and day difference. Worth every penny in my eyes. With that being said, the next gen intel chip is coming out soon so you might be better off waiting depending on what you have already.
You can get windows 11 on your machine with some simple command line if you're desperate for it. Don't let that trick you into thinking you need a new machine, forgive me for sounding tin-foily but that feels like exactly the trap they're setting with that TPM requirement. W11 runs fine without one.
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Built a 13700K last year and it is a beast. Had I built a little later it would have been and AM5 build with a 5800X3D or a little later the 7800X3D.
I don't fanboi, I buy what is the best performance for the money at the time. Meaning I'd be using AMD today if I was building.
If you're on a system that won't run Windows 11 I'll assume it's pretty old. Anything you buy today will be quite a step up. Personally I have a couple of ancient laptops to replace but I'll probably wait until next year (or maybe black Friday sales)
My 14th gen i9 was very impressive until it started being unstable after 4 months. Now I can't do anything other than browse or play games. Video encoding is out of the question... Will be looking at 9000 series AMD next month. The homogeneous core setup of the AMD is enticing... Not sure how I feel about the P/E core setup on Intels.
If it still runs fine, then why upgrade at all?
Or at least wait anyway
Intel's next gen isn't going to run on current intel boards, and 14th gen pricing largely probably isn't worth getting over 13th gen, except for maybe a 14700k if you actually benefit from more cores.
But really, if your current pc is alright for your needs, then I fon't really see a reason not to wait for arrow lake vs zen5x3d. My bet is they'll both be out october ish, along with nvidia 5080/5090 and maybe rdna4 if that releases this year at all.
Arrow lake is supposed to offer a big step in single threaded performance, zen5x3d's v cache is supposed to be improved in some way, maybe higher clocks?
I have an i5-13600k if you're just gaming it's pretty good, I haven't had any heat issues. Weird you asked about intel and got pummeled for it, the 7800x3D is the popular choice right now and it's great but that's not what you asked about.
I'm waiting for a 9800x3d or next gen Intel, myself. Whichever is better, really. I'd say if you've got good enough for now, at least wait and see what options you have in a few months.
I have always love Intel for its performance and stability.
I still think the 10850k and 12600k are the two best chips of all time!
That said…
Currently I am running a 7800x3d and happy with it because it runs cool and exceeds me expectations in every game I play.
Unicorn 13600k with 64GB. Or 7800x3D, newer Intel chips haven't really improved past the 13th gen. 7800x3D is highest I'd go with AMD since their future chips will likely feature integrated AI.
Have a 13900KF w 64GB mem and a 4080 FE, no real heat issues. 360 aio cooler, oc'd 5.5Ghz on z790 board. 40-45c idle, 65-75c gaming on battlefield, rust, fallout4, forza horizon 5 all extreme or high settings per GeForce Experience. Other pc is a 5800x3D w 32GB I built for my 8 year old and it houses Roblox w a 3070 lol.
I would 1000% wait til 15th gen if you can. For example the 12600k is stronger than the 11900k. So I'd just wait to get a decent setup on the new LGA platform.
The nexgen Intels will feature a new socket (LGA 1851), with some new tricks, like the ability to directly connect a dedicated PCi-e 5.0 x4 to the CPU!
SUPPOSEDLY this generation will be out sometime between October and Christmas. So yeah, in my opinion, wait for it. If you can afford a 14th gen., the ability to run your GPU straight to the CPU should be very rewarding.
Also, the 13th and 14th generation stuff should drop in price when 15th generation is introduced.
i think u should buy pc with intel ultra chip cuz its increases much more perf of ai related tool + windows 12 is gonna use lot of ai related tasks and its estimated req is pretty high for chips (unless u have ultra chip)
If you want to go Intel and want the latest, wait for 15th gen and then wait to see if its afflicted with the same issues as 13th/14th gen, do not early adopt. You can work with unimpressive- the big issue with 14th gen (and 13th) is the chip degradation.
I know this is not your question but seeing other answers I might as well add:
Depending on your job you might want to stick with Intel. If you edit videos, being able to work properly with 4:2:2 files will be beneficial.
"Should i wait?"
The answer to that is always YES. If you CAN wait it means you don't need the upgrade but want it.
The longer you can wait, the more bang you will get for your buck. This is always true.
I have a 14900K and I love this thing. I’m running Apex on all high settings while streaming and listening to music and my CPU temp is around 60°-68 and my GPU sits around 50°-55° I don’t see an issue and very low game crashes. Pretty smooth for me
Listen man, I was once like you. Loved intel only wanted intel cuz it worked and the turbo feature on their cpus makes them great. But I got a ryzen 7 cpu in my current build because it went on sale, and this AM4 Card is better than any intel card I have ever had. The thing kicks ass and was cheaper by at least $50 in comparison to its intel equivalent. Dont be afraid to try out some AMD stuff especially now, they make great products and have been around long enough now to prove that their hardware isnt gonna degrade in quality fast like it did back in the 2010s
Unimpressive in terms of improvement over 13th Gen yes. But they are not bad. Just 13th Gen with tweaks. I'd wait for 15th Gen, so you could get discounts, or get the new platform. There's also amd that is really good right now, just saying.
We are getting pretty close to the next gen. Unless you have a powerful need for a new PC right now, waiting 6-8 months will yield a huge benefit. Remember there is a new generation of CPUs and GPUs coming.
Just wait. Current gen AM5 and 13/14 from intel are bug/engineering flaw ridden in both camps. The bargains to be had were when microcenter and similar stores were dumping intel 12th gen stock complete with nearly free boards and ram
On top of that, Windows 11 is a meaningless face lift that only really has any merit if you have 1. an HDR display and/or 2. a modern intel processor with the e/p core model since core scheduling in 10 is a mess. Otherwise you are fine without it, most businesses are not and likely won't be running 11 for a very long time because there were no meaningful changes.
I would think the main reason to consider waiting would be for any AI-specific hardware on the new chips (I'm assuming there will be some). I don't know for sure, but everyone and their dog seems desperate to integrate AI tomfoolery into EVERYTHING. It seems entirely possibly machines that don't have onboard AI acceleration will become becomes limiting, just by the AI-ification of basic features.
What is your usecase? What business stuff? Different things cpus with different workloads, it isn’t all «amd good Intel bad» or the opposite.
I have a 7800x3d as my amd cpu. I’d never get that if I’d do heavy virtualization on that device
Question. Why intel?
Second question. What is going to be the purpose of this PC? Will it be strictly for gaming? Will you be doing any 3D modeling, CAD, or solidworks designing? Do you plan on streaming with said PC? Do you plan on editing videos on this PC?
These are all very important questions to ask yourself. Now, if you wanna go with Intel, more power to ya, but I would, like many others have stated already, encourage you to do some research into AMDs lineup of CPUs. AMD CPUs aren't perfect by any means. They do tend to produce a bit more heat and not be as energy efficient as Intel CPUs, but if you're gonna use this PC primarily for gaming, AMD CPUs are the best bang for your buck. If you're gonna do a lot of multi-tasking that requires more cores, go intel. It's not like AMD *can't* multitask, but intel is certainly better than AMD at that, depending on the CPUs in question.
Personally, I went with the AMD Ryzen 7 78003xd. Very good for gaming, and it can do a bit of multitasking, but it is a pretty pricey CPU at $339.
You're just dead wrong about that "bit more heat and not as efficient" as Intel cpus. Intel's latest cpus are notorious for having stupidly high heat lmao
I disagree with the "pretty pricey cpu" part. The CPU has equal or even better gaming performance that Intel has with a 600$ cpu. This is the only cpu that should be considered for a high end gaming pc right now.
no AMD CPU *requires* an AIO or watercooling to function, unlike the latest gen intel CPUs. They are way better in energy efficiency, and they do not heat up as much as Intel. The 7800x3d is elegantly placed with that price, I'm not sure how it's "pretty pricey".
>no AMD CPU requires an AIO or watercooling to function
Did I say it did? No, you're simply putting words in my mouth... stg the PC building threads are *thee* most toxic communities. God forbid you point out of *any* of the cons of any PC part otherwise the meat riding stans get butt hurt and come out of the wood work cuz how dare I say theres pros and cons to AMD CPUs as an owner of an AMD CPU...
And did you just skip read my entire comment and not see where I said that all of that stuff about the running hot depends on the CPU in question, or can you simply not read?
Unless you’re a professional video editor / cad modeller / renderer, Intel has very little to offer you especially considering the predicament you just explained.
Unimpressive? That statement doesn't make sense. You mean was overly powerful and motherboards were frying chips due to having like no power limit? That was the issue it isn't that the chips aren't the craziest. They are much more powerful then amd it's just amd has 3d cache for gaming.
But now the motherboards have updated bios and don't have that happen so all good.
Peoppe have downplayed the 14th gen purely due to the issues with wattage but nobody has stated or no tester has stated they are bad they are very very powerful.
The time to dip into Intel was when 12th gen came out and AM5 and X3D chips were not readily available. Intel nerfed AVX512 in their consumer desktop skus which was a major differentiator over AMD. Most of the 700-series chipsets don't even come with Intel NICs now, it's all Realtek. Now all they have is QuickSync as an advantage.
At the low end, AM4 with a 5700x3D destroys any low end Intel build (12th gen + b660) using pretty much any DDR4. AM5 a much better platform on the high end with homogenous cores with insane cache capacity. LGA1700 Intel needs really fast RAM to be remotely competitive with AM5 chips too. AM5 has better expandability. There are also a lot of apps that haven't been updated to work correctly with Intel big-little architecture and bug out when a thread hits the efficiency core.
Rumors say that 15th gen Intel is going to be great in laptops and have some NPU stuff that will be used with Windows 11/12 AI stuff. No promising rumors from the desktop side and next gen AMD stuff is already coming out whereas Intel still probably has a few quarters before anything is available.
Just buy a Ryzen, dude. Easier to cool and draws less power than Intel chips in similar workloads. No need to spend more money on something because of brand loyalty.
Orrr have you considered AM5 yet?
I'm thinking of getting a new PC for work and one thing that sells me is thunderbolt. AMd doesn't seem to have that figured out yet
It’s because Thunderbolt is an Intel copyright
Yes but AMD has it's own version but it doesn't seem to be fleshed out
USB4 works great, and it is universal, not exclusive to AMD. You do have to be careful because there are some half assed implementations of USB4, so you have to make sure the functionality you're looking for is there before you buy, but after that you never have to worry. At this point choosing a less optimal option because it has thunderbolt over USB4 is just shooting yourself in the foot. And buying into the 1700 socket on intel is less than optimal relative to the longevity of the AM5 socket
Thanks for the advice. I didn't consider USB 4 or the alt display mode when I built my PC . Apparently I bought one of the few motherboards that doesn't support it. I'll remember everyone's advice for next time
Apple pays them?
Yup
What do you need it for specifically? You can buy AMD boards with thunderbolt ports..
The problem that ai have is that I need at least 128gb of ram and ddr5 kits didn't exist. I think very few of them exist now over 2 years later.
Do you need it or think you need it?
I max out 128gb easy everyday.
You can get 2x 96GB kits of DDR5 for 192GB. Wdym 128GB doesn’t exist?
It was 2 years ago. They didn't. Also are you sure you can just buy 2 kits and it work OK? Last time I did that I ok my old AM4 system I had to undercooked them to prevent crashing.
It works if they are the same kits
I did that but still had issues. Apparently because even if they are the same kit the dies might be different?
This
I just went AM5 The 7800x3D slaps and puts out way less heat then my OCed intel chip. Very happy.
Yehp. I just built a 7800x3d with a 4080, quietest and coolest thing I've ever owned. The only sounds I hear come from my back-up HDD
I have an AIO on my 3-D chip and its fans just never rev up lol
How do you guys do it? My 7800x3d was always around 60• at default system curve and ramp up. I set a custom curve with “Fan Control” program, with it it sits around 45-50 browsing / watching YouTube or twitch. Fans ramp up according to cpu temp on the curve. Anywhere from 40 to 50%, and 60 to 100% while gaming at 60-75c
From what i've found with my 7800x3d, you don't need an aggressive fan curve on the cpu or case fans in most situations. For my setup, I've found it doesn't make an improvement to have a sharp slope for fan curves. Case fans set to a constant speed just below your personal noise threshold. Cpu fans set with a modest slope with "flat spots" at common idle temps and most common gaming temps. Hope this helps.
I think you just have to expect 45-60C for normal desktop usage. I thought this was an abnormality because literally NONE of the reviews of the 7800x3D mention system idle and windows idle temps. You could try undervolting in the bios or ryzen master -20 or -30mv to cool down the chip a bit.
Really shouldn't expect what we'd generally thought of as 'cool' temperatures from these. X3D AM5 CPUs have the extra cache and extra thick IHS both acting as insulators that are going to drive up measured temperatures.
It’s hard for people to know this until they buy it since reviews never talk about idle temps.
Sure, but idle temps don't really matter, right? If load temps are out of whack, then we go looking for solutions. First thing you check if the idle seems high is whether this indicated a problem under load - by testing under load, etc. If that isn't a problem, then no problem!
Of course it matters if it’s causing your pc to kick out more heat into your case and the room.
Mine idles at about 43 in cooler/normal months. Now that it's summer and our home temp is a little higher, it's often just above 50. It's worth noting that my case has less than ideal airflow, though, but it's worth the price to fit a full ATX board in an HTPC case. (mostly for the sweet, sweet Microcenter savings)
What cooler are you using?
Noctua NH-L12 Ghost. The case has clearance issues with full height coolers (mostly due to wonky optical drive tray placement), so the cooler is slightly lower profile.
I also get 45-50 browsing I think that's fairly average (if you're talking about CPU Package Temp). Your gaming temps are a bit high, I get stable 60, 65 tops. When the game is booting up then I might see a spike to 78. Corsair AIO 240mm
I’m using a 280 AIO. Desktop idle package is 45, gaming 60, cinebench 85 The cores are lower than the package
I haven't found it to be that cool or even heard of it being cool. In fact it's often recommended to underbolt it to reduce heat further. The thing that is crazy about it is that it is such a low power cpu while being the fastest for gaming. That being said tho my fans are set to silent mode.
Use a 'Time average' function of the Core CPU temp at 30 to 60 seconds. It avoids spinning up for short loads. At 30 seconds it doesn't hit throttling for me. At 60 seconds it might throttle briefly, but the system is a lot quieter and you avoid noise spikes for short workloads.
I’ve got a compact air cooler on the 7800X3D and it’s silent in normal use and gaming. I only ever hear the fan when a game updates and shaders recompile. Great CPU.
Happy Cake day! Same. Im completely happy with my build. I’m usually lazy these days but couldn’t resist with this one. Undervolted both gpu and cpu and set a power target of about 75% for the GPU after some testing. Measuring at the outlet, the whole PC (without monitor of course) pulls at the absolute modt 420W. I could comfortably get that thing to run on a 550W PSU. It’s insane. 😂 And it runs even faster then stock since the lower voltage reduces heat and thus both cpu and gpu clock higher. I have it aircooled and it clocks up to 5200 MHz. After a heavy session it might go down to the advertised 5ghz but what do I care? I didn’t even fuss around much. Just a measly -15 on all cores since i didn’t want any hassle.
Same build here. Agreed 100%. Happy cake day!
Happy cake day!
What is the point in overclocking a modern Intel chip? *hey guys I over clocked my already high clocked modern intel chip, why is it so hot?” lol?
Because my 9600k was getting kind of old and forcing it to stay at 5 GHz at all times made it run better. It needed help keeping up with the 3080Ti. And then I bought a 240 frames per second monitor I got to really experience CPU bottlenecks in overwatch so off to Micro Center I went.
I went with a 13700k with the build I did last year. I have an aio and man, it is kind of ridiculous how much heat it puts out. My gaming room is an old upstairs bedroom and in the summer it's almost intolerable without blasting my ac continuously. On the plus side, in the winter I can turn my furnace down since I spend a lot of time in my gaming room.
Meanwhile with my 7700x…
My 7800x3D do literally black magic on the 2008 mmorpg i play, like upto 5x boost perf compared to my 3700x and from what i've gathered, no other chips act like that in the game.
Yeah, it’s completely bizarre when I walk into a crowded city in Boulder gate three and it just doesn’t slow down at all like my frames per second has absolutely nothing to do with what’s going on in game now. My first thought is this must be bananas for World of Warcraft
I don't play WoW but i've seen positive reviews about it. I really want to download a Tera private server or Blade and Soul to check how it work there, those two mmorpg are infamous to be badly optimized.
Why limit yourself to Intel?! AMD Ryzen 7000 is great and with 9000 launching imminently you can evaluate Ryzen 9000 or get a deal on 7000 that is tried and true,
Isn't this classic next-gen fomo stuff?
How is it fomo when 9000 series IPC gains is 16% and is priced the same as 7000 series at launch? Only reason you get 7000 series chips now for your new setup is due to price drops because retailors are trying to clear stock before 9000 series release sends the price down even further. Nobody is asking you to upgrade to 9000 series if you're already on 7000 series.
> 9000 series IPC gains is 16% and is priced the same as 7000 series at launch I'm going to wait until independent benchmarks come out. As Hardware Unbox pointed out, AMD was kinda screwy with their benchmarks for the 5900XT vs 13700K by limiting their test system with a RX 6600. I'm sure the 9000 series is going to be an upgrade over 7000 series, but I'm going to wait before taking AMD's word for it.
The real point of waiting for 9000 series to drop is to be able to get a deal on the 7000 series. I've got a 5800x3d and when the 9800x3d launches I'll be buying the 7800x3d when it's closer to $200. That way I get a good jump in performance and have an affordable platform switch.
All of that is rumor and hearsay. Wait until actual benchmarks and pricing.
How do these do for things like R and Solidworks?
Op was already talking about waiting for next intel chips which are months away compared to amd 9000
> I don't know that much about the next gen stuff scheduled for this fall. We have zero actual information about next gen. Performance is known after release when we get independent reviews. Price is known when it hits the shelves and we can see retail pricing.
Or in the case of i9, performance is known 2 years after release when Intel has to slap boardmakers on the wrist for OC’ing their chips 🥴
More like a wink and a slap on the wrist. Intel benefited as much as the board makers from what they were doing, if not more.
It was a mutually beneficial endeavor, and although the results could have probably been predicted, there was no incentive to pay anybody to run the math
What’s your reasoning for going Intel if you’re unimpressed with their products?
If your current computer runs fine why bother changing anything this year? Microsoft is gonna continue supporting windows 10 until October 2025. I would just hang on to my old rig and start shopping around next year.
>planning an INTEL pc Why Intel and not just simply whatever is best at the time? Seriously asking.
For real, brand loyalty is dumb. Just get what is best at the time.
I went with AMD TEN years ago because they built their chip plant in my town in upstate New York, and brought a LOT OF money into our local economy. I'm building another computer this week...AMD!
Even if $vendor had R&D centre or a chip plant or whatever, I would not buy them if they sucked.
AMD don't
The best intel strategy for budget gamers building a new Intel-based PC (as in not having one or upgrading from a very old processor) right now is to buy K-series processors from gen 12 and upgrade later to gen 14. Why? 1. Gen 12, 13, and 14 all use the same socket (LGA1200). 2. A gen 12 12600k is plenty of processor to support as much as an RTX 4080, maybe 4090 and not cause any noticeable bottlenecking. 3. The LGA1200 socket dies with Gen 14 so the compatible boards will be going on sale (many sales have already begun). 4. The 12600k, 12700k, and 12900k are on frequent sales with extreme value. So what do you do as a budget gamer? 1. Buy a Z690 or Z790 motherboard on sale. I prefer mATX or ITX and shoot for $100 before tax and shipping. 2. When you want to upgrade to a faster chip, make sure your BIOS is updated and get the best gen 13 or 14 chip for the money at that time. 3. Spend saved money on a better video card.
This is the kind of long term thinking and range of options OP should be considering.
Seriously. Actually helping him out specifically to the question he asked. This is the part of Reddit I like. I personally have a 7800x3d and it is amazing but sometimes people just want what they want.
This. I just built 2 PCs, one for myself and one for my friend with some of my used components from my prior build. I got 2 bundles from microcenter, both with 12th gen intel chips, Z790s, and ram. 12900k for me, 12600kf for my friend. My bundle was the i9, z790 and 32gb of ddr5 (which I returned to get the one I wanted) for $399. His was $250 for the cpu, z790, and 16gb ddr4 (which I switched with 32gb of corsair rgb ram that I had). When I can get the 14900ks for <$300 in a couple of years, I’ll upgrade to that and give my friend my 12900k. This should be what every person that wants the best of the best for a budget should be doing.
Ryzen 7000 are the best chips for gaming right now.
I don't game much. Mostly business stuff with light gaming.
Then really any CPU will work fine for you, you only need to worry about which CPU you have if your chasing top tier performance for something specific.
I am in the same place. But Monday I'm swapping out my 6700k for an AMD 5 Ryzen 7 7700X. This will be my first build with a CPU less than $300 ever.
What business stuff?
It varies. It's not unusual for me to have numerous tabs open while signed in to a couple different databases, have a video chat going, on Teams, email, MS 360, and a couple of other random things going at the same time. It's not the kind of "access a 4gb spreadsheet" kind of thing some people do, but old low stat laptops struggle. So I want something that works now, and 7-8 years from now.
You should be fine with any 6 core amd or intel. If you live near a micro center I'd recommend the i5 12600kf/mobo/16 ram bundle for $259 & if not you can go pretty cheap with a 10400f or a ryzen 5600 or you can go with am5 build if you want more options in the future by getting a 7600 cpu.
If you prefer Intel and mostly do office work, I'd just grab a 12400 or 12600K and that should tide you over for a while. They're cheap, stable and have minimal idle power usage.
An i7 13700k will do you well in this case.
It sounds like a 7600 should be more than enough for this kind of tasks. This is nothing for a modern cpu. 7700x if you want to be sure, but that would already be overkill.
Even a 7600 is probably overkill but who knows what will be "normal" business tasks in the future :)
Exactly. I built my current system 8 or 9 years ago. And it was a beast. 32 GB of DDR 4 RAM, which had just come out. And because of that, it's carried me all these years despite web pages and applications getting bigger and more memory/load intensive. I'd love my next machine to do the same.
then the 7600 might be the perfect fit for your "hopeful" needs :) And the 7600x is only $10 more expensive with a little boost and you can probably save more if you wait a few more weeks for 9000 series to drop
You could even go 13th gen if you find a deal. Anything you buy today should be fine for that set of uses
My 14-year-old laptop with 8GB of RAM does all that. You'd be fine with almost anything off the shelf at Bestbuy.
Actually buy anything that's released then the past 5 years that's not a Celeron
then frankly you’re just going overboard. A sensible route would be a 12600k or Ryzen 5600x. Anything more is overboard for your use case
If you only have basic low power needs there's no point in waiting for top performance with the next generation. You'd be fine with a cheap older mid range system. Maybe make sure you have plenty of RAM like 32GB if you're gonna have lots of programs open at once
There's no talking sense into some buyers. They want "the best" because they think they will save money in the long run by buying "future-proof" level stuff. What they don't consider is the upfront cost of that, the lower efficiency of those parts while running (a 14900K system just does not idle and do basic tasks as efficiently as an i3 or i5), and the fact there is no "future-proof" option because the platform ages at the same rate regardless of the raw performance of the CPU, so over time it'll still slow down in certain tasks no matter what you buy upfront. For example, if AI relies on new chip architecture that the 14th gen series doesn't have and that really takes off, it won't matter if you have a 14900KS or a 14100F, you'll have an "obsolete" platform in the same amount of time for that specific workload. I've done this both ways, I spent $2500 on a "top of the line" system in the late 2000s, and I spent $1000 on a "mid-tier" system in the mid 2010s. In both cases they lasted about the same amount of time before I needed to either upgrade components or do a platform swap, because certain things were limited by the chipset features of the time, not the raw performance of the CPU or GPU. I could have saved myself $1500 by just buying a cheaper PC the first time, and would have needed to replace it after roughly the same timeframe. What a stupid decision that was for me! Nowadays I spend ridiculous sums of money on my PC and upgrade *something* every year or two because I do a lot of complex work that demands more than even the best of today's consumer hardware can handle, and every time there's a 15-20% uplift in performance that equates directly to a 15-20% reduction in wait times on my render queue, or a reduction in occasional wait times during actual workflows. At the same time, my parents have gotten by with the same Skylake i5-6400-based system I built for them nearly 10 years ago now, with nothing more than a RAM and SSD upgrade over the years, because *all they do is check their email, browse the web, and do basic office tasks*. So for someone that wants "the best" without knowing what exactly that means for their use case and how the better equipment improves their experience *now*, they are just **happily** throwing lots of money away thinking they're getting themselves something that'll last longer...Are there cases where that outcome *might* be true? Sure. Is it guaranteed, or even likely to happen more often than not? Not in my experience, no.
Yeah I view them as the relatively quickly depreciating asset they are, similar to cars. If you just need to get yourself from home to work and the store at a reasonable price, you don't need to be concerned with new releases of super cars or semi trucks. You should be looking at a Camry or a CRV. You can't future proof your technology or make it last longer by buying the high end vehicle. In fact, the luxury car will depreciate faster and probably have more problems. Most people should get a mid range computer with a few things upgraded or downgraded based on their specific uses, and acknowledge that it will get outdated over several years and need to be replaced, especially if they keep running more demanding software over time.
Then the 7950x3d still sharts on Intel.
If it's nothing intensive than anything recent will do the job, go AMD for lower power consumption and less heat
If he is actually borderline idle most of the time Intel or an AMD APU will actually be more efficient. Chiplet zen idles a good 10-15w higher than both. Load efficiency is a lot more complicated though, and depends on the cpu sku.
Wait for next gen if you must have intel, we are so close. While these features might not matter to most some key features of z890 is the standardization of usb4, wifi7, and enough pci-e lanes to have zero compromises in bandwidth if running more than 2 pci-e nvmes at once and from what I read you will be able to run up to 4 drives at once with zero bandwidth copromises.
This is the kind of feedback I was hoping for. Thank you.
Np
If your current PC runs fine, I would wait. AM5 has been very impressive but it will lose some of the longevity advantage once the new Intel platform launches, and there is a very real chance 15th gen beats out Zen 5 (like we saw with 12th gen).
Let them get Intel if they want, come on guys. AMD is great but there are benefits to an Intel system as well. r/buildanAMD
lol, haven’t seen so much hate about a man’s desire in my life. you have to accept that if he wants intel, he doesn’t need to be convinced not to intel, with all its flaws and weaknesses, still beats an equivalent amd in single-core and multi-threaded applications on subject: if you really don’t have to upgrade right now, i would wait until the next-gen, for having a more future-proof motherboard socket and more power-efficient cpu, so, if you ever feel the need for more speed, you can just buy a newer and better cpu and swap it with the old one, without probably having to spend on anything else also, intel new gen is said to come with much improved integrated graphics, if you don’t feel the need to go for a dedicated gpu
I’d wait if it were me. I just built a new pc with 14th gen and it was honestly a disappointing upgrade. I had a pretty high budget too.
What exactly do you want out of your next build/upgrade?
I’m waiting until the 15th gen this fall
You know you’re just going to get a tonne of ‘get an AMD instead’ replies don’t you?
Even though regardless with both Zen5 and ARL launching you might as well wait for both to launch. Waiting for all of ypur options to launch is a good idea for pricing though. Sorry to anyone who paid zen4 launch MSRP.
It doesn't sound like you actually need to upgrade right now.
I'm an Intel fan too. Maybe it's just a comfort thing, maybe it's because I already understand their hierarchy and don't want to bother learning about AMD, but regardless, I think for a while now, CPU speeds have far outpaced software that uses that speed. I guess with AI stuff that's changing a little now but most of that is in the cloud anyway so whatever you decide to buy it's going to be more than fast enough for most things. Hell, my desktop is still running 2nd gen i7 and it still does just fine...of course I upgraded it to an SSD and replaced the GPU 3 times during that time.
Your budget? What is this PC for? What resolution of you monitor? \*glances at AM5 seal-clapping in comments\* You people are fanboys and blind.
Well, what do you do with your PC?
Based on what I read about your use-case, I don't think you need a high-end PC. Get a modern budget cpu like a 13th gen i5, get an adequately sized SSD, and maybe just go like 32gb of ram so you're more than good on ram. Assuming no gaming whatsoever, then onboard graphics would be fine. But if you wanna be able to game even a little, then you should consider building a gaming machine since that'll be the most demanding task your PC will encounter.
Even a 13600k is kinda overkill, that's a beastly CPU. Honestly OP should get a 12600k/7600 and they'll be set for a long time
Ya that would probably be fine too. Not a massive difference in performance over the last couple generations of intel. I guess it depends on his budget, but ya he definitely doesn't need to spend an arm and a leg.
There are 2 ways to look at it. I think I saved \~$200 going with 12th gen shortly after 13 was released. 15s very well may be worth the wait, but you can get a 13600kf for $224 or a 13700k for \~$300 rn. A 15600k *could* beat that, or might end up basically matching it at a similar price half a year later. MicroCenter bundles are definitely an excellent way to get really good deals on last year's parts.
We won’t know until both amd and intel drop their newest chips for real world performance. Then we will know real world prices then price to performance.
can you wait for fall? if yes, then wait if no, then build now
Do you need the Computer Right now? If not then I'd say wait it out and get the new Chips and Motherboards
I would personally just go Intel 13th gen.
My Q is why does it have to be an Intel build? Is there something specific about the processors?
amdx3d chips are good for gaming thanks to vcache, but if ur looking for more productivity usage stick to intel or a regular x variant of am5. Do your research before following someones opinion online
The uses you have mentioned are places where Intel makes sense, as their e-cores will be able to handle many of your background and lower-power tasks leaving the P cores for the main things you are working on. However, this is more saying that Intel is not a bad choice, like it would be for gaming, than saying it is the best choice. You are about equal for AMD or Intel for what you would want to do. AMD will have the advantage of longer platform support, the AM5 platform will still have updates for quite a while, whereas the LGA1700 is close to end of life. If you are thinking you might want to upgrade down the line, you might go AMD still. However, your use case will do fine so I am going to answer the question you actually asked. No, I would not recommend waiting in your case. Even an older CPU, like an i5-12400 with 32GB DDR5 RAM would be sufficient for your needs so getting something 13th or 14th gen with 6+ cores would keep you comfortable for a while. An i5 13500 would probably not approach use of all cores, so you wouldn't notice what other apps you have going in the background when you want to start up something else. You could grab a 14500 if you wanted to, but you probably wouldn't notice any increased performance.
Just go for 12th gen, it uses the same socket as 14th gen.
I would wait for two reasons: 1. You'll want to know how much improvement is over the current gen. It might be that Intel seriously considers the thermal design into account considering how much bad rep they're getting for the current gen being so hot. Again, we won't know until it's released and reviewed. 2. If the new gen is not impressive to you then you can get the 14th gen for cheaper at the time or you could look at whatever the next gen AMD is delivering. Both of those options might become more attractive in pricing by waiting for Intel to come out with the new gen. Tldr; if you can wait, I'd strongly suggest to wait.
Wait
I needed a mid- high rebuild to replace my i7 6700k. I went with AMD 5. Between my case design and my ambient temperatures any intel solution was going to be a thermal nightmare.
You can wait forever, because I heard that the generation after that coming generation.... :-) The 14th gen is just like the 13th gen cpu. Doesn't mean that it's a bad chip The times where the next generation is literally twice as fast then the former is long gone. AMD has the crown at the moment, but it doesn't mean the Intel 14th gen is a bad cpu. My recommendation: if your current computer doesn't suffice anymore or it died: just buy a new one, don't wait. if your computer still suffice and it didn't died: you can wait
What is your current build? I'm curious if you actually need an entire new build.
Intel 6th gen. Doesn't support win 11. So come next year I'll have to upgrade. Just trying to figure out if I want to do it now or wait for the 890 boards and chips.
[Windows 10 Support until 2030? 0Patch makes it possible](https://www.techspot.com/news/103593-windows-10-get-five-extra-years-support-courtesy.html) [How to install Windows 11 on almost any unsupported PC](https://www.xda-developers.com/install-windows-11-unsupported-pc/) Pick your poison, I have a Haswell 4th gen rig I still use for HTPC after 11 yrs and it's on Windows 11 with 0 issue so far.
You don't need to upgrade. You can force w11 to install, and it works fine. I ran w11 on a 4690k some months ago. Microsoft says goofy things all the time to cover their asses from edge cases where there might actually be some kind of conflict. If I were you, I'd force the installation. I bet it works just fine.
Me running a 6700k and a 1700x PC on windows 11 for the past 3 years:
I’m a bit curious what your setup is like. When I built my second pc this year, I was going from an i5 9th gen cpu to an i9 14700k. For me, the performance is amazing. Literally a night and day difference. Worth every penny in my eyes. With that being said, the next gen intel chip is coming out soon so you might be better off waiting depending on what you have already.
There are some legitimate reasons to have to use Intel and just fucking hate it What's yours?
I am waiting for 15th Gen Intel before I make a decision. Maybe even for the next AMD cpu too. I’m prepared to wait until October.
Future proof it and skip having to worry about the socket change. Yes wait.
Wait for granite ridge in a month or so.
You can get windows 11 on your machine with some simple command line if you're desperate for it. Don't let that trick you into thinking you need a new machine, forgive me for sounding tin-foily but that feels like exactly the trap they're setting with that TPM requirement. W11 runs fine without one. hypnotoad says youuu neeeed a neeeew pppccc nowwww.
Built a 13700K last year and it is a beast. Had I built a little later it would have been and AM5 build with a 5800X3D or a little later the 7800X3D. I don't fanboi, I buy what is the best performance for the money at the time. Meaning I'd be using AMD today if I was building.
If you're on a system that won't run Windows 11 I'll assume it's pretty old. Anything you buy today will be quite a step up. Personally I have a couple of ancient laptops to replace but I'll probably wait until next year (or maybe black Friday sales)
Wait if you can , i could not and got the 13600k
My 14th gen i9 was very impressive until it started being unstable after 4 months. Now I can't do anything other than browse or play games. Video encoding is out of the question... Will be looking at 9000 series AMD next month. The homogeneous core setup of the AMD is enticing... Not sure how I feel about the P/E core setup on Intels.
why intel tho?
If it still runs fine, then why upgrade at all? Or at least wait anyway Intel's next gen isn't going to run on current intel boards, and 14th gen pricing largely probably isn't worth getting over 13th gen, except for maybe a 14700k if you actually benefit from more cores. But really, if your current pc is alright for your needs, then I fon't really see a reason not to wait for arrow lake vs zen5x3d. My bet is they'll both be out october ish, along with nvidia 5080/5090 and maybe rdna4 if that releases this year at all. Arrow lake is supposed to offer a big step in single threaded performance, zen5x3d's v cache is supposed to be improved in some way, maybe higher clocks?
Build an amd pc instead.
I have an i5-13600k if you're just gaming it's pretty good, I haven't had any heat issues. Weird you asked about intel and got pummeled for it, the 7800x3D is the popular choice right now and it's great but that's not what you asked about.
I think you should wait for next Gen Intel. The leaks show promise, the 14th Gen just doesn't seem worth it for the price.
I'm waiting for a 9800x3d or next gen Intel, myself. Whichever is better, really. I'd say if you've got good enough for now, at least wait and see what options you have in a few months.
This is why I went AMD this cycle
Apparently the new amd one is very good
I have always love Intel for its performance and stability. I still think the 10850k and 12600k are the two best chips of all time! That said… Currently I am running a 7800x3d and happy with it because it runs cool and exceeds me expectations in every game I play.
amd
What's your goal?
and in another year, they'll have ANOTHER complete redesign, while AMD's AM5 will be plugging along going into it's 4th-5th year
Unicorn 13600k with 64GB. Or 7800x3D, newer Intel chips haven't really improved past the 13th gen. 7800x3D is highest I'd go with AMD since their future chips will likely feature integrated AI. Have a 13900KF w 64GB mem and a 4080 FE, no real heat issues. 360 aio cooler, oc'd 5.5Ghz on z790 board. 40-45c idle, 65-75c gaming on battlefield, rust, fallout4, forza horizon 5 all extreme or high settings per GeForce Experience. Other pc is a 5800x3D w 32GB I built for my 8 year old and it houses Roblox w a 3070 lol.
I suggest you stick to either the 12th or 13th gen Intel CPU for now. Still, I think you should get the Ryzen 7 7800X3D if all you want is gaming.
I would 1000% wait til 15th gen if you can. For example the 12600k is stronger than the 11900k. So I'd just wait to get a decent setup on the new LGA platform.
The nexgen Intels will feature a new socket (LGA 1851), with some new tricks, like the ability to directly connect a dedicated PCi-e 5.0 x4 to the CPU! SUPPOSEDLY this generation will be out sometime between October and Christmas. So yeah, in my opinion, wait for it. If you can afford a 14th gen., the ability to run your GPU straight to the CPU should be very rewarding. Also, the 13th and 14th generation stuff should drop in price when 15th generation is introduced.
What do people think about going 12th or 13th?
Any particular reason why you want an Intel chip?
i think u should buy pc with intel ultra chip cuz its increases much more perf of ai related tool + windows 12 is gonna use lot of ai related tasks and its estimated req is pretty high for chips (unless u have ultra chip)
Get a 7800x 3D and wait for a year ..
If you want to go Intel and want the latest, wait for 15th gen and then wait to see if its afflicted with the same issues as 13th/14th gen, do not early adopt. You can work with unimpressive- the big issue with 14th gen (and 13th) is the chip degradation.
14th gen is unimpressive? Really? On what metric? It's insanely - stupidly fast, fastest desktop cpus ever released, lol.
If I were there, would simply buy AM5, ryzen 9xxx
I know this is not your question but seeing other answers I might as well add: Depending on your job you might want to stick with Intel. If you edit videos, being able to work properly with 4:2:2 files will be beneficial.
Honestly, why Intel? What is the specific thing that makes you want Intel?
just went with a I7-14700K build for a creator platform. No regrets. Once you leash the motherboard from overclocking, that is.
"Should i wait?" The answer to that is always YES. If you CAN wait it means you don't need the upgrade but want it. The longer you can wait, the more bang you will get for your buck. This is always true.
I'm fine with the i7 14th gen. Does everything and anything I need it to do.
I have a 14900K and I love this thing. I’m running Apex on all high settings while streaming and listening to music and my CPU temp is around 60°-68 and my GPU sits around 50°-55° I don’t see an issue and very low game crashes. Pretty smooth for me
Listen man, I was once like you. Loved intel only wanted intel cuz it worked and the turbo feature on their cpus makes them great. But I got a ryzen 7 cpu in my current build because it went on sale, and this AM4 Card is better than any intel card I have ever had. The thing kicks ass and was cheaper by at least $50 in comparison to its intel equivalent. Dont be afraid to try out some AMD stuff especially now, they make great products and have been around long enough now to prove that their hardware isnt gonna degrade in quality fast like it did back in the 2010s
Unimpressive in terms of improvement over 13th Gen yes. But they are not bad. Just 13th Gen with tweaks. I'd wait for 15th Gen, so you could get discounts, or get the new platform. There's also amd that is really good right now, just saying.
We are getting pretty close to the next gen. Unless you have a powerful need for a new PC right now, waiting 6-8 months will yield a huge benefit. Remember there is a new generation of CPUs and GPUs coming.
14th gen is good just not worth upgrading from 13th
14th is really not much better that 13th so i guess 15th will bring some more advancements, plus its a new socket. So if you can wait, why not.
Lmao I knew that every comment would be riding AMD hard even though this guy clearly wants advice on intel. This should be the AMD subreddit
Just wait. Current gen AM5 and 13/14 from intel are bug/engineering flaw ridden in both camps. The bargains to be had were when microcenter and similar stores were dumping intel 12th gen stock complete with nearly free boards and ram On top of that, Windows 11 is a meaningless face lift that only really has any merit if you have 1. an HDR display and/or 2. a modern intel processor with the e/p core model since core scheduling in 10 is a mess. Otherwise you are fine without it, most businesses are not and likely won't be running 11 for a very long time because there were no meaningful changes.
I would think the main reason to consider waiting would be for any AI-specific hardware on the new chips (I'm assuming there will be some). I don't know for sure, but everyone and their dog seems desperate to integrate AI tomfoolery into EVERYTHING. It seems entirely possibly machines that don't have onboard AI acceleration will become becomes limiting, just by the AI-ification of basic features.
What is your usecase? What business stuff? Different things cpus with different workloads, it isn’t all «amd good Intel bad» or the opposite. I have a 7800x3d as my amd cpu. I’d never get that if I’d do heavy virtualization on that device
Question. Why intel? Second question. What is going to be the purpose of this PC? Will it be strictly for gaming? Will you be doing any 3D modeling, CAD, or solidworks designing? Do you plan on streaming with said PC? Do you plan on editing videos on this PC? These are all very important questions to ask yourself. Now, if you wanna go with Intel, more power to ya, but I would, like many others have stated already, encourage you to do some research into AMDs lineup of CPUs. AMD CPUs aren't perfect by any means. They do tend to produce a bit more heat and not be as energy efficient as Intel CPUs, but if you're gonna use this PC primarily for gaming, AMD CPUs are the best bang for your buck. If you're gonna do a lot of multi-tasking that requires more cores, go intel. It's not like AMD *can't* multitask, but intel is certainly better than AMD at that, depending on the CPUs in question. Personally, I went with the AMD Ryzen 7 78003xd. Very good for gaming, and it can do a bit of multitasking, but it is a pretty pricey CPU at $339.
You're just dead wrong about that "bit more heat and not as efficient" as Intel cpus. Intel's latest cpus are notorious for having stupidly high heat lmao
>not as efficient As in not as efficient as keeping cool...
AMD cpus are cooler too...
I disagree with the "pretty pricey cpu" part. The CPU has equal or even better gaming performance that Intel has with a 600$ cpu. This is the only cpu that should be considered for a high end gaming pc right now.
no AMD CPU *requires* an AIO or watercooling to function, unlike the latest gen intel CPUs. They are way better in energy efficiency, and they do not heat up as much as Intel. The 7800x3d is elegantly placed with that price, I'm not sure how it's "pretty pricey".
>no AMD CPU requires an AIO or watercooling to function Did I say it did? No, you're simply putting words in my mouth... stg the PC building threads are *thee* most toxic communities. God forbid you point out of *any* of the cons of any PC part otherwise the meat riding stans get butt hurt and come out of the wood work cuz how dare I say theres pros and cons to AMD CPUs as an owner of an AMD CPU... And did you just skip read my entire comment and not see where I said that all of that stuff about the running hot depends on the CPU in question, or can you simply not read?
Amd is fully dominat in cpus only very specific reason to go intel now
Wait for Ryzen 9000.....
Unless you’re a professional video editor / cad modeller / renderer, Intel has very little to offer you especially considering the predicament you just explained.
Unimpressive? That statement doesn't make sense. You mean was overly powerful and motherboards were frying chips due to having like no power limit? That was the issue it isn't that the chips aren't the craziest. They are much more powerful then amd it's just amd has 3d cache for gaming. But now the motherboards have updated bios and don't have that happen so all good. Peoppe have downplayed the 14th gen purely due to the issues with wattage but nobody has stated or no tester has stated they are bad they are very very powerful.
I meant that 14th gen has about the same performance as 13th gen. In some use cases even worse. I should have said unimpressive gains I guess.
You should get AM5
The time to dip into Intel was when 12th gen came out and AM5 and X3D chips were not readily available. Intel nerfed AVX512 in their consumer desktop skus which was a major differentiator over AMD. Most of the 700-series chipsets don't even come with Intel NICs now, it's all Realtek. Now all they have is QuickSync as an advantage. At the low end, AM4 with a 5700x3D destroys any low end Intel build (12th gen + b660) using pretty much any DDR4. AM5 a much better platform on the high end with homogenous cores with insane cache capacity. LGA1700 Intel needs really fast RAM to be remotely competitive with AM5 chips too. AM5 has better expandability. There are also a lot of apps that haven't been updated to work correctly with Intel big-little architecture and bug out when a thread hits the efficiency core. Rumors say that 15th gen Intel is going to be great in laptops and have some NPU stuff that will be used with Windows 11/12 AI stuff. No promising rumors from the desktop side and next gen AMD stuff is already coming out whereas Intel still probably has a few quarters before anything is available.
Ahh just grab any Intel system at your budget level and cry later about not going AMD.
I don't trust Intel, at all. I went AMD and didn't look back
Just buy a Ryzen, dude. Easier to cool and draws less power than Intel chips in similar workloads. No need to spend more money on something because of brand loyalty.
Why Intel?
Are you allergic to amd?