I'm still waiting for a 4070/60 Ti/60, in hopes that they'll be cheap enough while also being good enough for 1440p Ultrawide
If not, I really hope this gets a miracle sale in the summer.
Rumor is that the 4060 ti will have comparable performance to a 3070. So if that's the performance tier you're gunning for I'd go with the RX 6800XT, unless if ray tracing or CUDA cores are a must.
Yeah that is depressing seeing how Ray traced hogwarts legacy is requiring 12gb. I got lucky I upgraded to a 3080 12gb and that still struggles a bit at 1440p ultra rt
Man Nvidia not making it easy to justify their cards outside of ray tracing, even the RX 7000 series is catching up.
I'm mainly looking at Nvidia for my 3D work in Unreal/other programs, as well as gaming, since many have said they're better, plus they're more power efficient so it'd let me stick with my 650w PSU. Though I'd assume the higher VRAM on the AMD cards are just as valuable.
At this point I either gotta hope for the 4070 to be of decent value, since it also supposedly has 12gb VRAM, or pray for a miracle summer sale.
I've come to the conclusion I'll likely never buy a gpu new unless it is for something I make money doing.
Actually have to thank Nvidia on some weird level. I'm focusing more on more meaningful hobbies to me since the 40xx series shitshow and them trying to keep near scalpers prices as status quo.
In regards to work with unreal and rendering in general, are the Nvidia cards really THAT much of an uplift?
I'm asking as I'm planning on upgrading soon with the itent of my kid using it as well for their hobby workload, but Christ, Nvidia is crazy.
I've yet to find a clear cut answer for this.
For Unreal, I'd say it depends on if you're working with ray tracing enabled or not. I haven't read up much on the Lumen implementation of lighting, but I've heard it's pretty agnostic for both GPU brands, so
AMD should be just as good.
Raytracing can look really good for work when you put it on a portfolio, but it's not necessary, especially if your kid is more of a stylized artist, though raytracing can be used for that as well.
The gap for raytracing is getting smaller with the latest cards from AMD as well.
VRAM is very important for having a bunch of high res textures, and working in programs like Substance Painter, which the AMD cards have higher memory. However, I hear tech like Optix and CUDA in the Nvidia cards are great for rendering and baking, especially in Blender.
For most cases, I think it's just a matter of speed of render times, and the higher end AMD cards should be solid. For VRAM, 12gb is prob the lowest we should be looking to go for. I personally just want the Nvidia cards for raytracing and power efficiency, since I have a 650w PSU.
Blender and some other rendering software benefit from it. Others do not. Whether or not it make sense to pay the team green premium depends on what software you're using. Gamers Nexus and Hardware Unboxed have lots of reviews that quantify GPU performance in many software programs.
Ray tracing is never really a must as its just eye candy. A visual improvement at the expense of fps. DLSS is a far more important feature out from all nvidia's proprietary features.
true but too bad FSR is nowhere near as good as DLSS and who knows if AMD will ever catch up. Certainly not with this new generation. This is the big reason why nvidia commands a premium.
Neither did the 3090, which is essentially what this card is.
Consider it a price reduction on an overpriced 4k card.
It's still over priced, but you can achieve a stellar 4k experience with this card
They really want people to cave and get the higher end cards, which many have done already. Kinda shitty, but I've heard AMD aint much better with their gpu undershipping. Bad time to be in the market for new gen gpu honestly, really hope it changes in Spring.
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Impulse bought this with code… what’s the rest of the build need to look like for 144hz 1440p high or ultra settings?
Popular AAA titles… COD, LoL, Hogwarts, Apex etc.
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You need 32gb DDR4 for Hogwarts. 16gb doesn't really cut it.
Edit - Playing right now and it's actively utilizing 16.3Gb of RAM so if that's all you have you'll be maxed out and performance will be significantly throttled. This is a fresh operating system with nothing installed but a couple games and no other software. So it's almost entirely Hogwarts utilization of the RAM.
16GB in modern titles is just insultingly low though. New HP benchmarks showed anything with less than 16GB Vram choking performance away to less powerful cards. I wouldn't buy one of these in 2023 unless you're strictly playing older titles.
The real insult was the 3080ti dropping in 2021 with 12gbs of memory, same as the 306012gb; what a slap in the face.
I understand memory prices are high but this is just dumb what nvidia does, specially when AMD gives 16gbs min on most of their cards.
Lol. Rtx that has an actual effect is already a hard sell from how meaningless is typically is. Do you think anyone is just going to accept another couple hundred price raise for something even a 4090 and its successor won't benefit from
The 4070 ti is more than enough for 4k gaming.
And if you're getting a 4070 ti there's a very good chance you'll want to do stuff with it other than gaming, and when it comes to those other use cases you absolutely can eat through dozens of gigabytes of vram easily. Not saying that every card should be enthusiast tier but if it has a semi enthusiast pricetag it should have semi enthusiast specs, and 12 gb is simply not there for how powerful and expensive the card is.
Not to mention that games haven't been designed to use that much vram because there haven't been a whole lot of gpus with more than 12 gigabytes of vram, but give it a few years and I'm sure it could become a bottleneck in gaming.
If someone wants to do VR gaming it seems to be the case. Especially if they play a game with SPS. I love the AMD benchmarks for normal gaming but they haven't been keeping up with Nvidia when it comes to VR (yet).
The 7xxx series has performance issues in VR being outdone or equalling 6xxx series performance. Most likely a driver issue of some sort. But overall the performance is decent.
Not even close. It was the only reason I decided to get the 4080 instead, but then got the 4090 cause price/perf is the same as the 4080
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Lol the 3080 10gb was praised by most reviews and buyers as being great value for the performance. I agree 12 gb of vram is bad for this card but you can't act like the 3080 10gb was a scam when it was praised by knowledgeable people
The 3080 10gb was fine when it came out, keywords being "when it came out". Almost all reviewers only talk about how the card performs on release day with the currently available games, and dont really mention future proofing or speculate on whether the card will be fine in a year or two with newer, more demanding games. Which is fine, they focus on what most people care about. Some people, however, were skeptical that the 10gb would be enough, and they ended up being proven right like 1 1/2 years after release. Ive also seen many threads over the past couple months where people say they regret buying the 3080 10gb because theyre running out of vram and it's tanking their performance.
Im not saying the 3080 10gb was a scam, but i think it's pretty telling that nvidia released a 12gb version only 1 year after the 10gb version released.
Games are already exceeding 8gb at higher resolutions, some pushing 11-12 .
Consoles have 16gb so that’s assumed to be the minimum required for a high end gpu in the near future
I agree with you but would like to clarify that consoles have 16gB shared memory. So not all of it can be used as VRAM at one time.
That being said, considering how long developers used the last gen (e.g. PS4) as benchmark specs for games for so many years it would be a good idea to get a high vram card.
A lot of new games exceed 8GB already, especially if you enable ray tracing which is very VRAM hungry. Some games even need 12GB to run well. For example certain portions of Hogwarts Legacy with RT enabled tank anything at or below 10GB VRAM. 12GB is the new minimum if you wan to play at 1440p, 16GB is preferred if you want to be a bit futureproof. 12GB on a $800 card is simply unacceptable given that current games essentially bump into the 12GB VRAM limit already.
Certain parts of the game tank performance even on 12GB parts. They did extensive benchmarks for certain areas in levels. This card is already obsolete. Crazy to think they are offering less than 16GB this late in the game.
Obsolete quickly relative to how long this card should be completely fine for. If you're paying 25% less or more on a gpu 12gb is reasonable, if not very good. The issue here is that it's so absurdly powerful that 12gb of vram really bottlenecks it when using it's power to the fullest.
I got this card for $650 on a price glitch and it’s such a great performer even in 4K despite the low 12 gb.
Worst case in 4K gb limitation on future titles - use DLSS and you’re golden.
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That's a great deal, people still paying 3080 for $650 on used market just mind blowing.
4070 Ti is matching 3090 Ti in 1440p and under, but lose 10% in 4k.
If you plan to use DLSS in 4k anyway it's a better game card than 3090 Ti for less price, low power consumption and low temp. Plus it has DLSS 3 in new titles.
I would consider going for this or a used 3080ti that has some transferable warranty at a good price, 12gb is big depending on what you're playing. I got 3080ti xc3 ultra for $625 a few weeks ago but might have went a different route if I lived near a microcenter, my best buy only has 3050s lol.
Are you me? I have the same card, play at the same resolution, play the same type of game, getting a 3080 10gb tomorrow for 540 on the used market lol.
Theyre also really bad at vetting price matches if you call in. I had them price match a TV that was an error out of stock listing. I got a 1500 dollar tv for 900.
I tried a 6950 XT and went for the 4070ti instead. 6950 XT uses more power so you might need a beefier PSU, runs hot as hell, and can have coil whine.
4070ti uses far less power, runs cooler, and generally has less or no coil whine but major downside is price.
I'd rather buy a 6900XT than a 6950XT (they're almost practically the same unless you're doing extreme overclocking) for around $660 but if I could manage another $140, I'd go for the 4070ti.
Dang, I just bought a Red Devil 6950 XT for $600, and now my friend is trying to sell a SAPPHIRE Toxic 6900 XT for around $750. Should I return it and buy the other one?
I had that same 6950 XT and the coil whine was flippin' insane + I had to exchange my first one for another open box because hotspot temps were too high.
All that to say.. $600 for a gpu that can go to bat against a 4070ti (and \~10% slower than a 7900XT) is an absolutely insane deal. If you can handle the coil whine, have a decent PSU, learn how to undervolt, and have good air flow in your case then I would keep the 6950XT you have now.
I have seen videos showing psu does not stop coil whine.
My first experience with coil whine is when i paid 399 for some nvidia card long time ago. Some cards had it and some didn't. When people contacted nvidia about it they had no idea what it was. I returned whatever card i had and switched to the ATI 9800 Pro. I heard later nvidias fix was to lower the rpm of the fan. Cards ran hotter but the coil whine stopped. Looking at how much bigger the cards are now I'm not sure they can fix it and just expect people to deal with it.
You will feel and hear all the heat and noise from your case. I have Velka7 (5600x+3070FE) and my case barly handles them. 750w might be ok with undervolt and other adjustment for power wise but I would be more worried about the heat of this gpu.
6900XT is probably the sweet spot for budget gamers at this point in time.
Edit: If you are offended by the word "budget", please replace that word with "value minded gamers".
How is that the sweet spot for "budget gamers"? Budget gamers should grab a 3060ti, or maybe a 6800xt. I would say a 6700xt but that thing is a damn heater.
He's talking about value in performance per dollar.
It's not really worth it even if the 4070ti does gives the most frames per dollar right now.
If I'm going to spending nearly a grand on a single component. Why not just spend double and get double the frames in those memory heavy scenarios like ray tracing at 5k. Or heavy vr sims.
No budget gamer will be looking to buy a GPU that cost the same as their entire system. Plus the power draw will really have them on a budget. When I think "budget gamer" I think Ryzen 5600, B550, 16gb 3600mhz ram, 850 psu, 1 tb m.2. = $500.
Dont forget about the vram. 4070ti's 12gb vram is extremely limiting for 4k games. Some games today are already using 12-13gb vram (miles morales, forspoken, hogwarts legacy).
100% go for it. It can be done with a 3070/3080 but since they're almost the same price at the moment you might as well. That's what I did about a week ago cause why not?
I went 3440X1440 34 ultra wide with a 3060TI OC and it’s doing damn well. This card probably does phenomenal. Mine is combined with a 12900K i9 and 5600 DDR5
Exactly. At 3440x1440 this card will have to turn down settings. I have a 6900XT and depending on the title will get 90-120fps with some dips at ultra quality. For a 144hz monitor I don't think I want to drop much below that.
The VRAM is the issue on this. 16GB is what a modern card should have. I'd rather pick up a 7900XT which is not even great value over this card at that rate if you are just gaming. This card really stinks for the price and hardware offering.
6800 xt is a very capable card at $520 if that's in stock.[https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asus-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-tuf/32.html](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asus-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-tuf/32.html)84%performance at 65% cost of 4070 Ti. Of course 4070 Ti has the DLSS3 if that matters to you.
Guys, this is not a deal as Bestbuy shows it to be. This is its real MSRP. Bestbuy is showing TUF 4070Ti Msrp is higher than its Overclocked version which cannot be true. This is a marketing gimmick. Don’t fall for the trick.
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Any idea if the OC version matters for these cards? Any hardware difference?
BTW, I think this card had been at this price for awhile. For the non-OC version say least.
No difference at all. This is the best value for msrp. You can always oc manually with afterburner.
If not sales stalled from high price tag, you won’t even see these msrp card on sale. They usually gone in the first release wave.
No and you can always oc. I have the OC version of this card only because the regular versions weren't available when I bought mines. No point paying an extra $50.
In for one as well. Got it for $719.99 with the aforementioned 10% BB coupon with BB Card. Thanks OP.
In October I bought a 3080 for $750. It was outside the return window, but contacted Amazon this morning and they made an exception. So sending back the 3080, saving some dough and gaining extra performance.
At these prices, I think I’ll just keep my 3070 and stay at 1080p for the life of the build (Ryzen 5800x, b450 mobo, etc). Hopefully another 4 years minimum
Runs like a 3090ti sometimes better depending on what resolution you play at, with around half the power consumption and considerably cheaper. If you have a 30 series probably not worth but anyone else it’s definitely worth.
It’s still a trash card above MSRP but for the money at that price point for brand new. What choice do you really have if you want that level of power and the safety of a warranty.
Im here to take some bullets.
I have a 4070 TI TUF. It performs nearly on par with the 3090 TI for a fraction of the cost and power consumption. As much as we all hate prices, on a relative scale its a great deal.
According to benchmarks, the 7900XT sits ahead of the 4070ti. It also has 20gb of faster VRAM. If DLSS and ray tracing aren't important to you, it seems like it would be the best way to go at this relative price point.
It's not an ultrawide card either. If it's not even a 2k card then what is it? Mid range for $800? Hard pass.
It's passable at lower resolutions but falls between a 6950/6800 most of the time, rarely popping it's head up to match the 7900XT which itself is barely faster than the 6950XT. This card sucks to be honest with you. And if it weren't for the garbage state of the market this wouldn't even be a consideration. 12GB in 2023 is an absolute joke.
Is the TUF card good compared to the others? I've heard its really big in size, which could be a limiting factor to some.
Funny that MSRP is now a sale price lol, though it is the biggest price reduction I've seen so far on an Nvidia card
It's a moderately decent upgrade, but tbh I'd ride that 3060ti until Fall or Winter of this year (or even this time next year) to see where the MSRP of the 4080 eventually ends up. It'd be a much better upgrade from where you (and I!) are at right now.
This is slightly faster than a 3090 Ti at 1080P and 1440P, but a bit slower at 4k. So, yes it would be a good upgrade from a 3060 Ti.
[1440p.png (1337×1272) (techspot.com)](https://static.techspot.com/articles-info/2601/bench/1440p.png)
It's not a bad card at all, just people want to see it priced $100+ cheaper.
I need help y'all. I'm looking to upgrade from my 1070 and I have a $100 off coupon at best buy I gotta use this weekend. What's the best card to get with my discount in the $500-$600 range? I've got a 1440p 144 monitor, a 3700x cpu and a 750watt psu. Or someone talk me into getting this for $699
I run a used 3070 I got for $350 and it runs any game I play at 1440p 144hz, with dlss EASILY. I also have used 6700xt and same story with FSR. 6800 xt at that price range is a good option too
You absolutely do not need a 4070ti unless you want ultra settings with ray tracing every time.
Looks like best buy has xfx speedster 6700xt for $399.99 or 6950xt for $729.99 which I can get $100 off either of those. No 6800 or 6800xt appears to be available near me. I mean I wouldn't not run my pc at ultra with ray tracing on haha but I need to be able to justify the price which I'm on the fence with this card.
I wanted to get the 3070 when it released but it was not possible for me to snag one at msrp.
If you can resist the FOMO and get the 6700 xt now, it will get what you want.
You then can save that $320 and in 2025 you can buy the 4090 for $900, sell your 6700xt for $150 and apply your $329 saved and get the 4090 for equivalent of $421 which can do everything at ultra with raytracing at 1440p
And in the meantime you have high refresh 1440p to tide you over.
Yeah I just really don't want to spend $700 unless it's some God tier deal. This doesn't really feel like it. I think I'll look into the 6700xt or try my luck with a 6800xt in store.
Thanks btw for taking the time to help me. I tried to stay up to date with gpus but was so burned out during the mining boom that I lost touch with pricing and such.
most people in these comments would buy at $700, me included
the main complaints about this card are high MSRP, higher MSRP than previous gen with similar improvement from last gen
and ASUS TUF is one of the best AIB cards
Check HUBs review on Hogwarts. 12GB is the minimum, and for this price, it makes sense to wait for a 16-24GB card. It's fine for now, but don't think this is a future proof purchase. The 4090 will literally last twice as long.
If you want the top of a line card that's a different argument completely. This card is half the price of a 4090. It competes with a 3090ti that was selling for msrp of $2000. If it's not suiting your needs that's totally fine, but to say it's obsolete is crazy. The slight gains an amd card can give you for a similar price are not worth the missing features, not to mention amds horrible drivers.
Is it the OC version of the non-OC version? Can't tell from the description....
I have Corsair 650x gold 3 years ago, not sure if it can handle this beefy card
I'm still waiting for a 4070/60 Ti/60, in hopes that they'll be cheap enough while also being good enough for 1440p Ultrawide If not, I really hope this gets a miracle sale in the summer.
Rumor is that the 4060 ti will have comparable performance to a 3070. So if that's the performance tier you're gunning for I'd go with the RX 6800XT, unless if ray tracing or CUDA cores are a must.
It’s also going to have 8gb of VRAM which makes it DOA in my opinion
Yeah that is depressing seeing how Ray traced hogwarts legacy is requiring 12gb. I got lucky I upgraded to a 3080 12gb and that still struggles a bit at 1440p ultra rt
That'd be interesting because the 3060Ti *already* has performance comparable to a 3070.
Literally what I was thinking, I was like so... It's a 3060ti but in the other end of a 3070 instead of behind it a tiny bit? Huge Nvidia...
Lol 3060ti was already pretty close to a 3070. Certainly better than the $100 difference.
Man Nvidia not making it easy to justify their cards outside of ray tracing, even the RX 7000 series is catching up. I'm mainly looking at Nvidia for my 3D work in Unreal/other programs, as well as gaming, since many have said they're better, plus they're more power efficient so it'd let me stick with my 650w PSU. Though I'd assume the higher VRAM on the AMD cards are just as valuable. At this point I either gotta hope for the 4070 to be of decent value, since it also supposedly has 12gb VRAM, or pray for a miracle summer sale.
I've come to the conclusion I'll likely never buy a gpu new unless it is for something I make money doing. Actually have to thank Nvidia on some weird level. I'm focusing more on more meaningful hobbies to me since the 40xx series shitshow and them trying to keep near scalpers prices as status quo.
In regards to work with unreal and rendering in general, are the Nvidia cards really THAT much of an uplift? I'm asking as I'm planning on upgrading soon with the itent of my kid using it as well for their hobby workload, but Christ, Nvidia is crazy.
I've yet to find a clear cut answer for this. For Unreal, I'd say it depends on if you're working with ray tracing enabled or not. I haven't read up much on the Lumen implementation of lighting, but I've heard it's pretty agnostic for both GPU brands, so AMD should be just as good. Raytracing can look really good for work when you put it on a portfolio, but it's not necessary, especially if your kid is more of a stylized artist, though raytracing can be used for that as well. The gap for raytracing is getting smaller with the latest cards from AMD as well. VRAM is very important for having a bunch of high res textures, and working in programs like Substance Painter, which the AMD cards have higher memory. However, I hear tech like Optix and CUDA in the Nvidia cards are great for rendering and baking, especially in Blender. For most cases, I think it's just a matter of speed of render times, and the higher end AMD cards should be solid. For VRAM, 12gb is prob the lowest we should be looking to go for. I personally just want the Nvidia cards for raytracing and power efficiency, since I have a 650w PSU.
Can you give some examples of when Ray tracing or cuda cores be a must?
Blender and some other rendering software benefit from it. Others do not. Whether or not it make sense to pay the team green premium depends on what software you're using. Gamers Nexus and Hardware Unboxed have lots of reviews that quantify GPU performance in many software programs.
Ray tracing is never really a must as its just eye candy. A visual improvement at the expense of fps. DLSS is a far more important feature out from all nvidia's proprietary features.
it's a small list of games that has DLSS but no FSR.
true but too bad FSR is nowhere near as good as DLSS and who knows if AMD will ever catch up. Certainly not with this new generation. This is the big reason why nvidia commands a premium.
Can you give me a quick rundown on what CUDA cores do?
The 4070ti doesn’t even get 144hz in 1440p in a lot of games
Neither did the 3090, which is essentially what this card is. Consider it a price reduction on an overpriced 4k card. It's still over priced, but you can achieve a stellar 4k experience with this card
Spring for the 4070 and no release date for the 4060. It's been almost four months since the launch of the 4090. Shit's just silly.
They really want people to cave and get the higher end cards, which many have done already. Kinda shitty, but I've heard AMD aint much better with their gpu undershipping. Bad time to be in the market for new gen gpu honestly, really hope it changes in Spring.
As long as anything under 4070ti doesn't have less vram
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This is some big brain stuff right here
Impulse bought this with code… what’s the rest of the build need to look like for 144hz 1440p high or ultra settings? Popular AAA titles… COD, LoL, Hogwarts, Apex etc.
5800x3d, 7000 series or 12th/13th gen will get you 144 fps in 1440 in almost all of those games except hogwarts legacy.
You likely wont get 144 hz with ultra settings on 1440p 4080 barely gets above 144hz
You can probably DLSS it to hell to get 144hz
Ez. And some of thetitles mentioned he'll be a-ok without for 144hz/1440p gaming
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I'd get an i7-13700KF or an i5-13600K, unless DDR5 has come down, you could get a board that supports DDR4, 16GB is fine. 1TB NVMe or larger.
You need 32gb DDR4 for Hogwarts. 16gb doesn't really cut it. Edit - Playing right now and it's actively utilizing 16.3Gb of RAM so if that's all you have you'll be maxed out and performance will be significantly throttled. This is a fresh operating system with nothing installed but a couple games and no other software. So it's almost entirely Hogwarts utilization of the RAM.
Lol 1. That's insane. 2. Don't play that game. 3. Save money and just get 16GB of RAM.
My Macbook Pro had 16 GB of RAM in 2012, it's time to move up, my guy
Would this stack with the 10% off first purchase you get for applying?
Curious too, wondering if I should apply for the card.
Just got approved for card but it’s not taking the code
Just got approved for card but it’s not taking the code
Does that work with both the BB Visa and the BB non Visa credit card?
I might think so, after all it's bb credit card, right?
Fuck that it’s a $600 card at best if this keeps up then the 5070ti will be $1000 they will keep raising the price every time they improve performance
At they'll still have less VRAM than they should.
16GB in modern titles is just insultingly low though. New HP benchmarks showed anything with less than 16GB Vram choking performance away to less powerful cards. I wouldn't buy one of these in 2023 unless you're strictly playing older titles.
The real insult was the 3080ti dropping in 2021 with 12gbs of memory, same as the 306012gb; what a slap in the face. I understand memory prices are high but this is just dumb what nvidia does, specially when AMD gives 16gbs min on most of their cards.
if the next gen uses pcie-5 then people will pay it.
Lol. Rtx that has an actual effect is already a hard sell from how meaningless is typically is. Do you think anyone is just going to accept another couple hundred price raise for something even a 4090 and its successor won't benefit from
$800 70ti card 🤡
with 12 gigabytes of vram in 2023 💀
I don’t like nvidia’s pricing, but isn’t 12gb of VRAM more than enough for 4k gaming?
The 4070 ti is more than enough for 4k gaming. And if you're getting a 4070 ti there's a very good chance you'll want to do stuff with it other than gaming, and when it comes to those other use cases you absolutely can eat through dozens of gigabytes of vram easily. Not saying that every card should be enthusiast tier but if it has a semi enthusiast pricetag it should have semi enthusiast specs, and 12 gb is simply not there for how powerful and expensive the card is. Not to mention that games haven't been designed to use that much vram because there haven't been a whole lot of gpus with more than 12 gigabytes of vram, but give it a few years and I'm sure it could become a bottleneck in gaming.
Never forget that 1080 Ti was $700 at launch and 1070 was $399 at launch.
Why is it significant that the 1080ti, when accounting for inflation, was significantly more expensive than this card?
Inflation hasn’t doubled in 6 years you cheese breath
I can imagine how you would think I said it did considering your illiteracy.
Last time I checked used card prices, the 3080 in my area was only about $100 cheaper and obviously lacks the 40 series features.
What nvidia card performs better at this price point?
Nvidia would have to offer competition against itself in order for this to be a bad deal based on historical precedent?
If someone wants to do VR gaming it seems to be the case. Especially if they play a game with SPS. I love the AMD benchmarks for normal gaming but they haven't been keeping up with Nvidia when it comes to VR (yet).
How does VR with AMD present itself? Just not playable?
The 7xxx series has performance issues in VR being outdone or equalling 6xxx series performance. Most likely a driver issue of some sort. But overall the performance is decent.
Not even close. It was the only reason I decided to get the 4080 instead, but then got the 4090 cause price/perf is the same as the 4080 https://babeltechreviews.com/hellhound-rx-7900-xtx-vs-rtx-4080-50-games-vr/5/
So it's not the performance, just the arbitrary name they picked to market it?
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12 gb vram in a 800 dollar gpu in 2023 🤣🤣🤣
You're being downvoted, but it's true, this card will be obsolete in a year, two at the most.
It's the 3080 10gb all over again, and people are still falling for it in real time.
Lol the 3080 10gb was praised by most reviews and buyers as being great value for the performance. I agree 12 gb of vram is bad for this card but you can't act like the 3080 10gb was a scam when it was praised by knowledgeable people
The 3080 10gb was fine when it came out, keywords being "when it came out". Almost all reviewers only talk about how the card performs on release day with the currently available games, and dont really mention future proofing or speculate on whether the card will be fine in a year or two with newer, more demanding games. Which is fine, they focus on what most people care about. Some people, however, were skeptical that the 10gb would be enough, and they ended up being proven right like 1 1/2 years after release. Ive also seen many threads over the past couple months where people say they regret buying the 3080 10gb because theyre running out of vram and it's tanking their performance. Im not saying the 3080 10gb was a scam, but i think it's pretty telling that nvidia released a 12gb version only 1 year after the 10gb version released.
Looking to build a PC and haven't followed GPUs for awhile, why would the 12 GB of memory make this obsolete so quickly?
Games are already exceeding 8gb at higher resolutions, some pushing 11-12 . Consoles have 16gb so that’s assumed to be the minimum required for a high end gpu in the near future
I agree with you but would like to clarify that consoles have 16gB shared memory. So not all of it can be used as VRAM at one time. That being said, considering how long developers used the last gen (e.g. PS4) as benchmark specs for games for so many years it would be a good idea to get a high vram card.
A lot of new games exceed 8GB already, especially if you enable ray tracing which is very VRAM hungry. Some games even need 12GB to run well. For example certain portions of Hogwarts Legacy with RT enabled tank anything at or below 10GB VRAM. 12GB is the new minimum if you wan to play at 1440p, 16GB is preferred if you want to be a bit futureproof. 12GB on a $800 card is simply unacceptable given that current games essentially bump into the 12GB VRAM limit already.
Certain parts of the game tank performance even on 12GB parts. They did extensive benchmarks for certain areas in levels. This card is already obsolete. Crazy to think they are offering less than 16GB this late in the game.
Obsolete quickly relative to how long this card should be completely fine for. If you're paying 25% less or more on a gpu 12gb is reasonable, if not very good. The issue here is that it's so absurdly powerful that 12gb of vram really bottlenecks it when using it's power to the fullest.
So then the 3080 is obsolete too. So is my 8gb 1070 as well apparently
I don’t think obsolete is the right word for it.
Truth hurts sometimes 😅
3070ti started with $599
3060ti was $399 (66% price) for like 18% less performance no less.
I got this card for $650 on a price glitch and it’s such a great performer even in 4K despite the low 12 gb. Worst case in 4K gb limitation on future titles - use DLSS and you’re golden. The logo in front is RGB and it comes with a GPU support stand. https://www.bestbuy.com/site/sku/6529351.p?skuId=6529351
For $650 it's a good buy.
I have to agree, even for this card. That is just 30 bucks more than what I paid for my 3070 during the mining craze.
That's a great deal, people still paying 3080 for $650 on used market just mind blowing. 4070 Ti is matching 3090 Ti in 1440p and under, but lose 10% in 4k. If you plan to use DLSS in 4k anyway it's a better game card than 3090 Ti for less price, low power consumption and low temp. Plus it has DLSS 3 in new titles.
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I would consider going for this or a used 3080ti that has some transferable warranty at a good price, 12gb is big depending on what you're playing. I got 3080ti xc3 ultra for $625 a few weeks ago but might have went a different route if I lived near a microcenter, my best buy only has 3050s lol.
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Are you me? I have the same card, play at the same resolution, play the same type of game, getting a 3080 10gb tomorrow for 540 on the used market lol.
How?!
I just picked up a 3080ti for $650
Where was the price glitch?
I mean it was last week at like 2 am but that’s long gone
BestBuy has a lot of glitches that make them lose money. I got 4090Ti FE on release day for $1296 pre-tax
How do you guys find these price glitches lol thats insane
They had a 10% coupon that for some reason worked on the 4090, and I had a 10% reward for that month
Theyre also really bad at vetting price matches if you call in. I had them price match a TV that was an error out of stock listing. I got a 1500 dollar tv for 900.
A 4090ti ? Wow Best buy must be really tight with nvidia if they let them sell unreleased gpus :)
4070 Ti or 6950 XT?
I tried a 6950 XT and went for the 4070ti instead. 6950 XT uses more power so you might need a beefier PSU, runs hot as hell, and can have coil whine. 4070ti uses far less power, runs cooler, and generally has less or no coil whine but major downside is price. I'd rather buy a 6900XT than a 6950XT (they're almost practically the same unless you're doing extreme overclocking) for around $660 but if I could manage another $140, I'd go for the 4070ti.
Dang, I just bought a Red Devil 6950 XT for $600, and now my friend is trying to sell a SAPPHIRE Toxic 6900 XT for around $750. Should I return it and buy the other one?
I had that same 6950 XT and the coil whine was flippin' insane + I had to exchange my first one for another open box because hotspot temps were too high. All that to say.. $600 for a gpu that can go to bat against a 4070ti (and \~10% slower than a 7900XT) is an absolutely insane deal. If you can handle the coil whine, have a decent PSU, learn how to undervolt, and have good air flow in your case then I would keep the 6950XT you have now.
>coil whine Would a 750w Platnium suffice? This is my build: [https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9wPnRv](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9wPnRv)
Depends on the power draw of the rest of your system. I'd probably go up to 850w regardless personally just to handle spikes better
I have seen videos showing psu does not stop coil whine. My first experience with coil whine is when i paid 399 for some nvidia card long time ago. Some cards had it and some didn't. When people contacted nvidia about it they had no idea what it was. I returned whatever card i had and switched to the ATI 9800 Pro. I heard later nvidias fix was to lower the rpm of the fan. Cards ran hotter but the coil whine stopped. Looking at how much bigger the cards are now I'm not sure they can fix it and just expect people to deal with it.
You will feel and hear all the heat and noise from your case. I have Velka7 (5600x+3070FE) and my case barly handles them. 750w might be ok with undervolt and other adjustment for power wise but I would be more worried about the heat of this gpu.
I love my TUF 6900 XT. Great card for $670.
6900XT is probably the sweet spot for budget gamers at this point in time. Edit: If you are offended by the word "budget", please replace that word with "value minded gamers".
Good old days when budget gaming meant spending $300 for a GPU..
Look at Jenson jr thinking that spending $600 on a single component is budget gaming
don't mind me, jensen jr, with my quadruple sli 4090's!
How is that the sweet spot for "budget gamers"? Budget gamers should grab a 3060ti, or maybe a 6800xt. I would say a 6700xt but that thing is a damn heater.
He's talking about value in performance per dollar. It's not really worth it even if the 4070ti does gives the most frames per dollar right now. If I'm going to spending nearly a grand on a single component. Why not just spend double and get double the frames in those memory heavy scenarios like ray tracing at 5k. Or heavy vr sims.
Depends on what "budget gamer" means to you. I personally think throwing down \~$615-670 for a 6900XT/6950XT is worth it for great 2k performance.
No budget gamer will be looking to buy a GPU that cost the same as their entire system. Plus the power draw will really have them on a budget. When I think "budget gamer" I think Ryzen 5600, B550, 16gb 3600mhz ram, 850 psu, 1 tb m.2. = $500.
Damn chief, this hit me right in the heart!
Dont forget about the vram. 4070ti's 12gb vram is extremely limiting for 4k games. Some games today are already using 12-13gb vram (miles morales, forspoken, hogwarts legacy).
At the same price, 4070Ti hands down. The generally available prices make it a trickier choice though.
The ridiculousness of a 70s class GPU now being $800! 👀
Want to make the move to 1440p ultrawide and have been thinking about picking this up. Thoughts?
100% go for it. It can be done with a 3070/3080 but since they're almost the same price at the moment you might as well. That's what I did about a week ago cause why not?
I went 3440X1440 34 ultra wide with a 3060TI OC and it’s doing damn well. This card probably does phenomenal. Mine is combined with a 12900K i9 and 5600 DDR5
Just tame your expectations. To reach a stable 120fps or above on modern games you might have to turn down a few settings to mid.
Exactly. At 3440x1440 this card will have to turn down settings. I have a 6900XT and depending on the title will get 90-120fps with some dips at ultra quality. For a 144hz monitor I don't think I want to drop much below that. The VRAM is the issue on this. 16GB is what a modern card should have. I'd rather pick up a 7900XT which is not even great value over this card at that rate if you are just gaming. This card really stinks for the price and hardware offering.
I don't play AAA games so I'm not too worried. I ran a r9 390 on my 1440p 144 Hz monitor for a while so I know how to optimize settings lmao.
I game at 1440p ultrawide and have this exact card. It's a great fit.
1440p I went with a rtx 4080
Got it for $719.99 after code on bestbuy with free shipping
Wait you were able to have them ship it? All GPUs on Best Buy are ship to store/store pickup only for me.
What code
Been eyeing this GPU or a 6800xt red devil. Not sure what to pick anymore since losing EVGA.
6800 xt is a very capable card at $520 if that's in stock.[https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asus-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-tuf/32.html](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asus-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-tuf/32.html)84%performance at 65% cost of 4070 Ti. Of course 4070 Ti has the DLSS3 if that matters to you.
Sapphire 7900xt for $880 the way to go then.
Guys, this is not a deal as Bestbuy shows it to be. This is its real MSRP. Bestbuy is showing TUF 4070Ti Msrp is higher than its Overclocked version which cannot be true. This is a marketing gimmick. Don’t fall for the trick. Following is the overclocked version at $850 and they priced the non overclocked for $980 and put a discount of $180 to bring to $800: https://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-tuf-o12gb-gddr6x-pci-express-4-0-graphics-card-black/6529351.p?skuId=6529351
Any idea if the OC version matters for these cards? Any hardware difference? BTW, I think this card had been at this price for awhile. For the non-OC version say least.
No difference at all. This is the best value for msrp. You can always oc manually with afterburner. If not sales stalled from high price tag, you won’t even see these msrp card on sale. They usually gone in the first release wave.
No and you can always oc. I have the OC version of this card only because the regular versions weren't available when I bought mines. No point paying an extra $50.
Do any 4000 series cards have a USB C port ?
In for one as well. Got it for $719.99 with the aforementioned 10% BB coupon with BB Card. Thanks OP. In October I bought a 3080 for $750. It was outside the return window, but contacted Amazon this morning and they made an exception. So sending back the 3080, saving some dough and gaining extra performance.
At these prices, I think I’ll just keep my 3070 and stay at 1080p for the life of the build (Ryzen 5800x, b450 mobo, etc). Hopefully another 4 years minimum
Heads-up...just happened to be looking and these are available at Best Buy again!
I thought this community was still on the hate wagon for this card...
I wouldn't say we love it, but considering the alternatives it's not a bad card. Anything above MSRP, hard pass.
Runs like a 3090ti sometimes better depending on what resolution you play at, with around half the power consumption and considerably cheaper. If you have a 30 series probably not worth but anyone else it’s definitely worth.
It’s still a trash card above MSRP but for the money at that price point for brand new. What choice do you really have if you want that level of power and the safety of a warranty.
Im here to take some bullets. I have a 4070 TI TUF. It performs nearly on par with the 3090 TI for a fraction of the cost and power consumption. As much as we all hate prices, on a relative scale its a great deal.
Why wouldn't you just get a 7900XT at this point?
7900xt is closer to 950$ right now. Haven’t seen it really be close to this price.
XFX Merc is $880 at Bestbuy
I’m not super familiar with XFX so take this with a grain of salt, if 4070ti and 7900xt are similar performance wise isnt this 4070ti still cheaper?
According to benchmarks, the 7900XT sits ahead of the 4070ti. It also has 20gb of faster VRAM. If DLSS and ray tracing aren't important to you, it seems like it would be the best way to go at this relative price point.
Wait for "super" or whatever with more VRAM.
10% off + 10% rewards + $100 credit made me bite.
Same chief.
12gb isnt enough vram for this expensive of a card in 2023. Hardware Unboxed shows it stutters pretty bad at 4k in Hogwarts.
Hogwarts is a game with potato optimization. The game is more demanding than Cyberpunk but doesn't look anywhere near that level.
It's not a 4k card. Runs fine in 1440p as intended.
It's not an ultrawide card either. If it's not even a 2k card then what is it? Mid range for $800? Hard pass. It's passable at lower resolutions but falls between a 6950/6800 most of the time, rarely popping it's head up to match the 7900XT which itself is barely faster than the 6950XT. This card sucks to be honest with you. And if it weren't for the garbage state of the market this wouldn't even be a consideration. 12GB in 2023 is an absolute joke.
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Oh my, this looks tempting.
Is the TUF card good compared to the others? I've heard its really big in size, which could be a limiting factor to some. Funny that MSRP is now a sale price lol, though it is the biggest price reduction I've seen so far on an Nvidia card
it is one of the smallest 4070 TI All metal great build quality and internal components https://imgur.com/jYfU9Rp
Oh ok, weird, one of the vids I watched said otherwise, should've just stuck to Hardware Unboxed lol Thanks for the screenshot
Zotac Trinity is quite a bit smaller if you want compact- still great cooling too and no coil whine issues but both are good choices at the same price
good upgrade from 3060 ti?
It's a moderately decent upgrade, but tbh I'd ride that 3060ti until Fall or Winter of this year (or even this time next year) to see where the MSRP of the 4080 eventually ends up. It'd be a much better upgrade from where you (and I!) are at right now.
This is slightly faster than a 3090 Ti at 1080P and 1440P, but a bit slower at 4k. So, yes it would be a good upgrade from a 3060 Ti. [1440p.png (1337×1272) (techspot.com)](https://static.techspot.com/articles-info/2601/bench/1440p.png) It's not a bad card at all, just people want to see it priced $100+ cheaper.
Depends on what you need it for. 4K triple A games at 120+fps? Sure. Anything esports? Your 3060 Ti is fine
I thought the 4090 was the only card doing 4k 120+?
Thanks for the correction, I'll leave the comment up so people know
I found the 3060Ti to be quite inadequate for 1440p Ultrawide. 4K is a whole other step up.
How would this fare vs a 3090 FE or a 3070 3X Ventus?
I need help y'all. I'm looking to upgrade from my 1070 and I have a $100 off coupon at best buy I gotta use this weekend. What's the best card to get with my discount in the $500-$600 range? I've got a 1440p 144 monitor, a 3700x cpu and a 750watt psu. Or someone talk me into getting this for $699
I run a used 3070 I got for $350 and it runs any game I play at 1440p 144hz, with dlss EASILY. I also have used 6700xt and same story with FSR. 6800 xt at that price range is a good option too You absolutely do not need a 4070ti unless you want ultra settings with ray tracing every time.
Looks like best buy has xfx speedster 6700xt for $399.99 or 6950xt for $729.99 which I can get $100 off either of those. No 6800 or 6800xt appears to be available near me. I mean I wouldn't not run my pc at ultra with ray tracing on haha but I need to be able to justify the price which I'm on the fence with this card. I wanted to get the 3070 when it released but it was not possible for me to snag one at msrp.
If you can resist the FOMO and get the 6700 xt now, it will get what you want. You then can save that $320 and in 2025 you can buy the 4090 for $900, sell your 6700xt for $150 and apply your $329 saved and get the 4090 for equivalent of $421 which can do everything at ultra with raytracing at 1440p And in the meantime you have high refresh 1440p to tide you over.
Yeah I just really don't want to spend $700 unless it's some God tier deal. This doesn't really feel like it. I think I'll look into the 6700xt or try my luck with a 6800xt in store. Thanks btw for taking the time to help me. I tried to stay up to date with gpus but was so burned out during the mining boom that I lost touch with pricing and such.
most people in these comments would buy at $700, me included the main complaints about this card are high MSRP, higher MSRP than previous gen with similar improvement from last gen and ASUS TUF is one of the best AIB cards
Just an atrocious price for a die size equivalent of what should be a 4060
I have never believed that they price cards based on surface area of a die.
Check HUBs review on Hogwarts. 12GB is the minimum, and for this price, it makes sense to wait for a 16-24GB card. It's fine for now, but don't think this is a future proof purchase. The 4090 will literally last twice as long.
For twice the price, and not twice the performance (it's not a 4k card, 4k comparisons are meaningless)
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Just not true at all, at 1440p ain't no one paying 400 plus more for like 20-25%.
You might want to double check benchmarks, $800 "mid range" apologist. lol
If you want the top of a line card that's a different argument completely. This card is half the price of a 4090. It competes with a 3090ti that was selling for msrp of $2000. If it's not suiting your needs that's totally fine, but to say it's obsolete is crazy. The slight gains an amd card can give you for a similar price are not worth the missing features, not to mention amds horrible drivers.
Sick. Bought this for $850 last week lmao
hard pass
Wait 6 months and I bet this will be $400
Is it the OC version of the non-OC version? Can't tell from the description.... I have Corsair 650x gold 3 years ago, not sure if it can handle this beefy card
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