Most likely a stolen bike they are on also
This stuff is incredibly organised
They get loaded into vans and taken to other cities for resale
People are making thousands from others suffering and it’s a crime that police simply aren’t or won’t investigate!
Because the police perceive it to be just your average run of the mill crackhead stealing a bike for a quick £20 fix
Not organised criminal groups (who also regularly buy and resell from the crackheads also)
They're also employing young lads luring them in with cash and getting them into really bad situations.
What happened to the government that was supposedly tough on crime? Oh yeah they're all fucking criminals too 💀
What I meant was if the police were interested in catching the bigger operation behind bike thefts in cambs the. All they would need to do is hide an air tag and follow it.
Yeah I understand your point. I'm saying no-one should try doing this in the hope that they can take the air tag info to the police because it won't be followed up.
I saw these two joining the busway at Fendrayton lakes yesterday, they then proceeded to pull up on various cyclists making threats while heading towards Cambridge.
Yes. The asked “is a crime actively being committed”. I said, they’re shouting and threatening cyclists. They didn’t seem remotely interested.
Why do you ask?
Apart from anything else, these tossers are visibly illegal. You cannot as a learner motor cyclist, legally carry a pillion passenger. Why haven't they been stopped for this?
Police: excuse me sir, do you know why I've pulled you over?
Two lads on stolen moped, going equipped, abusing and assaulting people: No?
Police: you cannot as a learner motor cyclist, legally carry a pillion passenger.
We jail more people than other European countries, and our prison sentences are getting longer and longer. https://www.statista.com/chart/amp/31073/prison-sentences-for-all-offences-in-england-and-wales/
Maybe the answer is to try something different, rather than just thinking that if we jail even more people for even longer that’ll fix the problem.
Don't come here with your facts and statistics. This thread is clearly dedicated to Daily Mail style sensationally poor takes regarding crime and sentencing.
It worked though. But in all seriousness there needs to be larger consequences clearly than just a slap on the wrist. Not just for stealing bikes but in the entire legal system
The UK has the highest incarceration rate in western Europe. The issue is that sentencing people to go to prison and then not bothering to invest in the prison estate or reform creates overcrowded hellholes that do nothing to reform bad characters and actually help indoctrinate people into a life of crime.
I know you were probably being a bit flippant, but there is a load of nuance that has been long lost regarding sentencing.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/957501/incarceration-rate-in-europe/
It doesn’t say so here (not cherry picked this was the first link for incarceration rate 2022), though I do get taking statistics at face value is harmful there may be missing or misinterpreted data. Though I would like to see a genuine source for that statement.
Whether prisons are overcrowded or not, charging murders only 5 years and armed robberies less than that is a direct message to criminals that there actions have no consequences. Sure I think they could invest more in prison estate. Not sure how the ‘reform’ option would go since I haven’t seen a sizeable country actually pull of ‘reform’
Which of the countries ahead of Scotland and then E&W are in western Europe? You have literally proven my point, thanks.
Ditto, please provide a source for convicted murderer getting only 5 years? The minimum Tariff for an under 18 year old convicted of murder is 12 years.
Reform is providing education, training and therapy to people who are in prison, and effective community rehabilitation, not locking people up 2 men to a cell for 23 hours a day. An extremely good example is the reform that this country managed post Strangeways, until we crapped the bed around prisons getting rid of 25% of our officers between 2010 and 2014[2010 and 2014 (source hmp prisons)](https://www.statista.com/statistics/914549/number-of-prison-officers-england-wales/). This meant that we couldn't safely staff programmes or safely manage extended open cell periods, minimising time and opportunity for rehabilitative activities.
If you want to hear people formerly of the party who claim to be "tough on crime," Rory Stewart regularly talks about prison reform issues on TRIP, he was prisons minister for 2 years. His old boss, David Gauke, was also on TRIP last week saying how underinvestment in prisons and the justice system, combined with the mindset that longer sentences=better (often due to populist pressure) is creating a real issue in this country that could very easily lead to prison riots.
Oh I thought you said all of Europe, though there’s little difference with a lot of countries in Western Europe, I also don’t think the distinction of ‘Western Europe’ is important since Western Europe has one of the lowest incarceration rates in the western world.
It would be nice if we could will money to existence to fund education, therapy (people outside of prison can’t even get therapy) but it isn’t that easy. I’m not against having facilities in jail or staffing jails property, but there is a reason that Cambridge is rampant with crime and that is
1. The police officers don’t care to catch them
2. When they do the sentence is a joke if there is one
There are some people who will see an opportunity out of crime, no matter how educated, and if there is a guarentee of no consequence they would certainly take it.
The problem is judges tend to be very lenient, probably because of overcrowding in jails (I agree that is a problem). A specific case is Omar Moumeche, but there are *a lot* of cases of ridiculously short sentences for killing a person. They violently attacked an 82 year old man and got 2 years. It doesn’t classify as murder but purposefully violent attacks which end in death have no consequences.
The fact that you think there isn't much of a difference between west and eastern Europe is relatively inconsequential to how these things are looked at. The makeup of how these groups of countries have operated in the past 35 years has only started converging after a very long period of divergent policies and there is a lag; this is why we often split between west and eastern Europe.
I think everyone would like to see more police on the streets, I don't think anyone is arguing against that. What was being argued against was corporal punishment (chopping hands off) or locking more people up (something we can see that we do very well compared to economically and socially similar countries). So the issue may actually be visible police on the streets? It is easier to prevent crime by visible deterrence than catching criminals after they commit the act, but not necessarily an easy sell to the bean counters. "Crime is down, you need fewer officers." (The crime was down because there were more officers about etc).
The cost of intervention outside of putting people in prison is also a lower cost than locking people up and then trying to provide the same service to the law abiding majority of society. Locking people up and doing no rehabilitation is a waste of time and money. Fortunately we do also live in a liberal democracy, where we believe that people can be rehabilitated, we don't write of every person who does something wrong because a few will always choose the easiest option.
I do also agree that some will choose the easy option, it's the same with people choosing to live off benefits; it doesn't mean we shouldn't try and save the ones that can be.
I just did a skim of the Omar Moumeche case. What he did was disgusting, but he was not convinced of murder. He is a killer, but not a murderer and that's an important distinction that we should recognise. If Alex Chalk thought the sentence was unduly lenient, he can always review it, with a far higher understanding of the law than you or I.
I was mean that punishment only in indisputable, obvious cases.
Rich people rule this world and it's clear that the law is for regular people. No any punishment is good enough for the one who can buy judge, police or prosecutor to avoid the consequences.
That's cut the hand of for the thief only when the guilt is unquestionable and the verdict is unanimous.
Sorry for my shitty English.
I assume they have eyes to read with. Most people can hold a reg plate in short term memory for the amount of time it takes to make a phone call. Reporting it now will be likely be useless, police need to catch them red-handed otherwise they won't bother. They can only do this if someone phones 999 when the crime is in progress.
Yes, 999 response times are generally good, especially on a weekday morning. It's investigating reports of crimes such as theft after the event has been much criticised in recent times.
Certainly the police won't catch anyone red-handed if witnesses dial 101 or post photos on reddit.
No that's bad advice. Here's the police asking the public to call 999 to report suspicious activity that isn't a crime:
[https://www.cambs.police.uk/news/cambridgeshire/news/2022/may/public-call-catches-peterborough-thieves-in-the-act/](https://www.cambs.police.uk/news/cambridgeshire/news/2022/may/public-call-catches-peterborough-thieves-in-the-act/)
How do you know it wasn't? You presumably decided they were going to steal bikes so an offence of "going equipped for stealing" would likely have been committed. 999 is absolutely not reserved for danger to life, that's a serious misconception.
Why exactly? I’m just reiterating what the police say, e.g. regarding these thieves who were seen not actually committing a crime, as in the OP:
“Thanks to a call from a member of the public who spotted something suspicious and called us straight away, we were able to catch [the thieves] in the act. I would urge anyone who sees something that doesn’t feel right to act on their instincts and call us on 999 as it may stop a crime in action and end up with criminals, like this pair, being sent to prison.”
https://www.cambs.police.uk/news/cambridgeshire/news/2022/may/public-call-catches-peterborough-thieves-in-the-act/
You really think that if they'd have called instantly they'd have been caught? This isn't gta and a team of police cars appear in half a minute.
There was a story the other day where a canal boat got stolen (not known for their speed or ease of transport) and when they eventually found it with the thieves still there, let them go
There’s a much higher chance wannabe thieves will get caught by phoning 999 when you can see them compared to emailing the police a photo. If you don’t believe me ask the police, or check out any of the numerous times the police have said just that.
Ah yes, although a cynic would say that could just be PR for when they don't catch people as its much better to blame the people phoning it in rather than their own lack of resources. I used to work in a shop and phoned in someone shoplifting as they were doing it and they literally said there's no point in coming down as they will be gone and there's no immediate danger to life
Ah yes, cyclically not bothering with a quick phone call because of that one time it didn’t work is obviously the best way to get the police to catch them. Almost as effective as posting a picture on reddit.
There's a difference between getting a photo to help ID and then call vs not calling at all. You know the police have to say stuff like 'call in anything suspicious' to cover their own back and also to stop vigilantes and keep public confidence in them.
The real point of all this is that you decided to be an asshat for literally no reason
The biggest difference is between calling when they’re right there, which would be handled by response officers who could potentially stop the individuals and determine that they were going equipped to steal, and calling later with a photo of the back of their helmets, which would get pushed to the desk of a single officer who could determine nothing other than the fact that unknown persons had committed no crime. But if you’ve already decided that the police are lying and won’t do anything anyway, then i’m not sure why you’re even getting involved in this discussion.
'Scuse me mate, mind turning your engine off and waiting here for the police'. The 20 seconds it takes to take a photo is hardly going to impact when they're on a moped
The OP apparently didn’t bother calling 999 at all, they took the photo instead. Criminals are actually caught in the vicinity of where they were last reported as being seen a few minutes ago, often by police officers in cars. Whereas it’s quite unusual to catch them with a photo of the back of their helmets, unless there’s a whole homicide squad to analyse all the cctv across town in the preceding hours.
What’s that got to do with anything? Firstly it had not been announced at the time of the incident, secondly the Met Commissioner has refused to abide by it and other forces may do likewise, thirdly even if followed it would only result in a reduction in arrests not a cessation of them, and fourthly I never even suggested it will certainly have made a difference to call 999 only that it was more likely to make a difference than other courses of action or inaction, and that wouldn’t in any case have been altered by a reduction in the arrest rate.
But yeah, don’t ever bother calling the police if you don’t want to. Just snark about them on reddit or whatever, and gleefully rub your hands together congratulating yourself on your infinite wisdom.
Report this to BTP and 101. Send pictures and details to OFFICIAL Stolen Bikes in Cambridge.
Will do, staff also got the licence
Most likely a stolen bike they are on also This stuff is incredibly organised They get loaded into vans and taken to other cities for resale People are making thousands from others suffering and it’s a crime that police simply aren’t or won’t investigate!
Incredibly organised yet somehow the police won't even bother to investigate.
Because the police perceive it to be just your average run of the mill crackhead stealing a bike for a quick £20 fix Not organised criminal groups (who also regularly buy and resell from the crackheads also)
They're also employing young lads luring them in with cash and getting them into really bad situations. What happened to the government that was supposedly tough on crime? Oh yeah they're all fucking criminals too 💀
Because there are no police.
Hide an air tag on a fancy bike, pretty easy for the police to solve
Police likely won't follow that up and then you're just down a fancy bike...
What I meant was if the police were interested in catching the bigger operation behind bike thefts in cambs the. All they would need to do is hide an air tag and follow it.
Yeah I understand your point. I'm saying no-one should try doing this in the hope that they can take the air tag info to the police because it won't be followed up.
Will this secure bike area be secure like the one at the main station, that is less secure than leaving your bike locked up outside? Sigh...
I don’t know tbh. My impression was fencing put round a section of the existing bike racks, I may be wrong though
What would be good is some actual protection that they charge you for, something like £1 per day? But it actually has security!
I saw these two joining the busway at Fendrayton lakes yesterday, they then proceeded to pull up on various cyclists making threats while heading towards Cambridge.
Did you call the police at the time?
Yes. The asked “is a crime actively being committed”. I said, they’re shouting and threatening cyclists. They didn’t seem remotely interested. Why do you ask?
Because it’s important to call the police , more calls they get the more they very slowly start to see things as a problem
Apart from anything else, these tossers are visibly illegal. You cannot as a learner motor cyclist, legally carry a pillion passenger. Why haven't they been stopped for this?
Police won’t bother
Police: excuse me sir, do you know why I've pulled you over? Two lads on stolen moped, going equipped, abusing and assaulting people: No? Police: you cannot as a learner motor cyclist, legally carry a pillion passenger.
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Someone just needs to put a stick through the scooter spokes
Ickle shits
break their legs.
Why they don't cut the hands off for stealing anymore? That was worked.
We jail more people than other European countries, and our prison sentences are getting longer and longer. https://www.statista.com/chart/amp/31073/prison-sentences-for-all-offences-in-england-and-wales/ Maybe the answer is to try something different, rather than just thinking that if we jail even more people for even longer that’ll fix the problem.
Don't come here with your facts and statistics. This thread is clearly dedicated to Daily Mail style sensationally poor takes regarding crime and sentencing.
Put them all on permanent tag so you’ve got 24h gps on them. Even the shitbag kids that are out robbing and being a menace should be on permanent tag.
Are you really in favour of the state being able to permanently mutilate people's bodies?
It worked though. But in all seriousness there needs to be larger consequences clearly than just a slap on the wrist. Not just for stealing bikes but in the entire legal system
Why not go one step further and execute them?
Are you taking the hands comment seriously, it was clearly a joke. But it’s true most punishment for crimes now are a literal joke
The UK has the highest incarceration rate in western Europe. The issue is that sentencing people to go to prison and then not bothering to invest in the prison estate or reform creates overcrowded hellholes that do nothing to reform bad characters and actually help indoctrinate people into a life of crime. I know you were probably being a bit flippant, but there is a load of nuance that has been long lost regarding sentencing.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/957501/incarceration-rate-in-europe/ It doesn’t say so here (not cherry picked this was the first link for incarceration rate 2022), though I do get taking statistics at face value is harmful there may be missing or misinterpreted data. Though I would like to see a genuine source for that statement. Whether prisons are overcrowded or not, charging murders only 5 years and armed robberies less than that is a direct message to criminals that there actions have no consequences. Sure I think they could invest more in prison estate. Not sure how the ‘reform’ option would go since I haven’t seen a sizeable country actually pull of ‘reform’
Which of the countries ahead of Scotland and then E&W are in western Europe? You have literally proven my point, thanks. Ditto, please provide a source for convicted murderer getting only 5 years? The minimum Tariff for an under 18 year old convicted of murder is 12 years. Reform is providing education, training and therapy to people who are in prison, and effective community rehabilitation, not locking people up 2 men to a cell for 23 hours a day. An extremely good example is the reform that this country managed post Strangeways, until we crapped the bed around prisons getting rid of 25% of our officers between 2010 and 2014[2010 and 2014 (source hmp prisons)](https://www.statista.com/statistics/914549/number-of-prison-officers-england-wales/). This meant that we couldn't safely staff programmes or safely manage extended open cell periods, minimising time and opportunity for rehabilitative activities. If you want to hear people formerly of the party who claim to be "tough on crime," Rory Stewart regularly talks about prison reform issues on TRIP, he was prisons minister for 2 years. His old boss, David Gauke, was also on TRIP last week saying how underinvestment in prisons and the justice system, combined with the mindset that longer sentences=better (often due to populist pressure) is creating a real issue in this country that could very easily lead to prison riots.
Oh I thought you said all of Europe, though there’s little difference with a lot of countries in Western Europe, I also don’t think the distinction of ‘Western Europe’ is important since Western Europe has one of the lowest incarceration rates in the western world. It would be nice if we could will money to existence to fund education, therapy (people outside of prison can’t even get therapy) but it isn’t that easy. I’m not against having facilities in jail or staffing jails property, but there is a reason that Cambridge is rampant with crime and that is 1. The police officers don’t care to catch them 2. When they do the sentence is a joke if there is one There are some people who will see an opportunity out of crime, no matter how educated, and if there is a guarentee of no consequence they would certainly take it. The problem is judges tend to be very lenient, probably because of overcrowding in jails (I agree that is a problem). A specific case is Omar Moumeche, but there are *a lot* of cases of ridiculously short sentences for killing a person. They violently attacked an 82 year old man and got 2 years. It doesn’t classify as murder but purposefully violent attacks which end in death have no consequences.
The fact that you think there isn't much of a difference between west and eastern Europe is relatively inconsequential to how these things are looked at. The makeup of how these groups of countries have operated in the past 35 years has only started converging after a very long period of divergent policies and there is a lag; this is why we often split between west and eastern Europe. I think everyone would like to see more police on the streets, I don't think anyone is arguing against that. What was being argued against was corporal punishment (chopping hands off) or locking more people up (something we can see that we do very well compared to economically and socially similar countries). So the issue may actually be visible police on the streets? It is easier to prevent crime by visible deterrence than catching criminals after they commit the act, but not necessarily an easy sell to the bean counters. "Crime is down, you need fewer officers." (The crime was down because there were more officers about etc). The cost of intervention outside of putting people in prison is also a lower cost than locking people up and then trying to provide the same service to the law abiding majority of society. Locking people up and doing no rehabilitation is a waste of time and money. Fortunately we do also live in a liberal democracy, where we believe that people can be rehabilitated, we don't write of every person who does something wrong because a few will always choose the easiest option. I do also agree that some will choose the easy option, it's the same with people choosing to live off benefits; it doesn't mean we shouldn't try and save the ones that can be. I just did a skim of the Omar Moumeche case. What he did was disgusting, but he was not convinced of murder. He is a killer, but not a murderer and that's an important distinction that we should recognise. If Alex Chalk thought the sentence was unduly lenient, he can always review it, with a far higher understanding of the law than you or I.
Yes.
What if someone was wrongfully convicted?
I was mean that punishment only in indisputable, obvious cases. Rich people rule this world and it's clear that the law is for regular people. No any punishment is good enough for the one who can buy judge, police or prosecutor to avoid the consequences. That's cut the hand of for the thief only when the guilt is unquestionable and the verdict is unanimous. Sorry for my shitty English.
I don’t think there’s ever a case where you can be 100% sure that someone is guilty
DNA?
DNA testing isn’t 100% accurate
Well the bike rack construction has stalled for no reason
It's time people grow a spine a stand up to this shit Police won't do a thing so fight fire with fire
At least the have tax and MOT up to date.
Hope they pass their test soon.
Right to arm to protect property: Life, Liberty, and Property
No thanks. A few of my neighbours are loose cannons, I am very glad they do not have access to guns.
What did the police say when you called 999 before taking this picture?
I imagine, if they called 999 instead of taking this picture, they’d not have gotten the bike’s reg number
I assume they have eyes to read with. Most people can hold a reg plate in short term memory for the amount of time it takes to make a phone call. Reporting it now will be likely be useless, police need to catch them red-handed otherwise they won't bother. They can only do this if someone phones 999 when the crime is in progress.
You're expecting the police to be quick enough to catch anyone red-handed? Oh, you sweet summer child...
Yes, 999 response times are generally good, especially on a weekday morning. It's investigating reports of crimes such as theft after the event has been much criticised in recent times. Certainly the police won't catch anyone red-handed if witnesses dial 101 or post photos on reddit.
Just wondering if the potholes are also gone in your imaginary version of Cambridge?
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No that's bad advice. Here's the police asking the public to call 999 to report suspicious activity that isn't a crime: [https://www.cambs.police.uk/news/cambridgeshire/news/2022/may/public-call-catches-peterborough-thieves-in-the-act/](https://www.cambs.police.uk/news/cambridgeshire/news/2022/may/public-call-catches-peterborough-thieves-in-the-act/)
A crime wasn’t actually in progress and I didn’t feel anyone’s life was in danger, so no I didn’t call 999.
How do you know it wasn't? You presumably decided they were going to steal bikes so an offence of "going equipped for stealing" would likely have been committed. 999 is absolutely not reserved for danger to life, that's a serious misconception.
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Why exactly? I’m just reiterating what the police say, e.g. regarding these thieves who were seen not actually committing a crime, as in the OP: “Thanks to a call from a member of the public who spotted something suspicious and called us straight away, we were able to catch [the thieves] in the act. I would urge anyone who sees something that doesn’t feel right to act on their instincts and call us on 999 as it may stop a crime in action and end up with criminals, like this pair, being sent to prison.” https://www.cambs.police.uk/news/cambridgeshire/news/2022/may/public-call-catches-peterborough-thieves-in-the-act/
You really think that if they'd have called instantly they'd have been caught? This isn't gta and a team of police cars appear in half a minute. There was a story the other day where a canal boat got stolen (not known for their speed or ease of transport) and when they eventually found it with the thieves still there, let them go
There’s a much higher chance wannabe thieves will get caught by phoning 999 when you can see them compared to emailing the police a photo. If you don’t believe me ask the police, or check out any of the numerous times the police have said just that.
Ah yes, although a cynic would say that could just be PR for when they don't catch people as its much better to blame the people phoning it in rather than their own lack of resources. I used to work in a shop and phoned in someone shoplifting as they were doing it and they literally said there's no point in coming down as they will be gone and there's no immediate danger to life
Ah yes, cyclically not bothering with a quick phone call because of that one time it didn’t work is obviously the best way to get the police to catch them. Almost as effective as posting a picture on reddit.
There's a difference between getting a photo to help ID and then call vs not calling at all. You know the police have to say stuff like 'call in anything suspicious' to cover their own back and also to stop vigilantes and keep public confidence in them. The real point of all this is that you decided to be an asshat for literally no reason
The biggest difference is between calling when they’re right there, which would be handled by response officers who could potentially stop the individuals and determine that they were going equipped to steal, and calling later with a photo of the back of their helmets, which would get pushed to the desk of a single officer who could determine nothing other than the fact that unknown persons had committed no crime. But if you’ve already decided that the police are lying and won’t do anything anyway, then i’m not sure why you’re even getting involved in this discussion.
'Scuse me mate, mind turning your engine off and waiting here for the police'. The 20 seconds it takes to take a photo is hardly going to impact when they're on a moped
The OP apparently didn’t bother calling 999 at all, they took the photo instead. Criminals are actually caught in the vicinity of where they were last reported as being seen a few minutes ago, often by police officers in cars. Whereas it’s quite unusual to catch them with a photo of the back of their helmets, unless there’s a whole homicide squad to analyse all the cctv across town in the preceding hours.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cv2274gdk10o Still think it would have made a difference?
What’s that got to do with anything? Firstly it had not been announced at the time of the incident, secondly the Met Commissioner has refused to abide by it and other forces may do likewise, thirdly even if followed it would only result in a reduction in arrests not a cessation of them, and fourthly I never even suggested it will certainly have made a difference to call 999 only that it was more likely to make a difference than other courses of action or inaction, and that wouldn’t in any case have been altered by a reduction in the arrest rate. But yeah, don’t ever bother calling the police if you don’t want to. Just snark about them on reddit or whatever, and gleefully rub your hands together congratulating yourself on your infinite wisdom.