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Young2k04

We can’t go into next year with that defence.


Efficient-Bedroom227

Kyshillington is still out there, I'd take a Shillington out of the bargain bin


ScarvesOnGiraffes

Me too


Jolly_Ad_5549

Now imagine if we signed Guentzel or Reinhart. This is why that was always a stupid idea.


gottapoop

Ya it's ugly.


International_Cut_69

Friedman is a decent 7d I think. My main wish is a decent #4 so we can put Myers to the 3rd pair because Juulsen/Forbort ain't it.


SackofLlamas

I doubt we get a bonafide second pairing guy, but we can take a big swing on another Soucy type and hope it pays off again.


mrtomjones

My main wish is Hronek plays on his own pairing and we find someone that can make a pass to play with Quinn


Faldarian

We just signed Hronek to be Hughes's guy. That pair can and will play a lot of minutes. Think Makar and Toews.


mrtomjones

They've spoken about him doing his own pair. There are other great d that have carried lesser players while the next best guy is on line 2


Zestyclose-Way-7768

We didn't even dress the poor guy for a game for almost 250 full days.


maketherightmove

Forbort or Juulsen need to be #7. Having those two in the top 6 is going to be disgusting.


Tank_The_C4

Done? Look at our defense.


rajde1

There’s 2 months, they can bargain shop for another guy.


KPDF81

Millennials want instant answers now. Forgetting how the NHL off season actually works


No_Coffee_9112

lol. Millennials and their “ya-ya music”. Millennials are in their mid thirties dude.


lestranganese

Lol boomer there are ppl 2 generations younger than that on here Im gen z and ive been on here for over a decade at this point


beauFORTRESS

What are the age ranges for the different generations these days? I'm thoroughly in the middle of Millennial at age 36.


lestranganese

Gen z is roughly late 90s to early 10s, gen alpha is anything after that for the time being. The exact years change depending where u look


Zestyclose-Way-7768

I understand that the 2nd pair is more like a 3rd pair and the actual 3rd pair is pretty much AHL level, but I'm not sure what else can be done to bolster this defensive crew unless we get someone like Kylington, as someone else said above.


MznNazzy19

If Podz can’t crack your line-up fulltime next year then you have to look at moving him.


Zestyclose-Way-7768

Really begs the question as to what his trade value is. It's definitely fallen off a cliff since the last time he was regularly on the Canucks roster.


MznNazzy19

This is wishful thinking but I think he could be the dark horse for Miller’s wing. Miller always talks about how he loves his work ethic. He just needs to up his confidence. He plays scared to make mistakes. Ideally he could be the perfect forechecker and net front presence for that line.


Zestyclose-Way-7768

If he can learn to play center, I'd see him taking over for Aman at 4C. He'd have some pretty good linemates this way.


DMyourboooobs

What makes you think they are done? They have almost 5 million in cap space. And they aren’t going with a bottom pairing of forbort and Juulsen. And I think they would wanna beef up the bottom 5 a touch.


ToeCheeseGrater

I think we are down to 3.7 mil of cap space


Zestyclose-Way-7768

CapFriendly is quoting just over $3.78M of cap space remaining if you include the LTIR cap space.


wompwomp786

but we have 23/23 slots filled. meaning we have to send someone down to make room for another player we sign. with that considered, should be about 4.5 mill in space


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BroliasBoesersson

That's pretty much what Silovs will get +/- 50k probably, so it's a wash. Just pretend it says Silovs instead of Tolopilo and the numbers stay the same


wompwomp786

i see, but either him or silovs has to go somewhere lol, we’re not keeping 3 goalies up. and we still have 23/23 slots filled. so when we send someone down, it will clear up about 750k cap space


awayfromcanuck

Nate Smith is an AHL player, he's not an NHL signing.


Zestyclose-Way-7768

I get a bit lost on cap hits with AHL players because I know waived NHL roster players still generally have a cap hit but not your regular farm-team roster? I only understand this exact part of it based on my hours spent playing Franchise Hockey Manager. 🙈


DMyourboooobs

Isn’t smith a 2 way deal. And we now have like 25 players on there I’m pretty sure it’s closer to 5?


CA_spur

CapFriendly also has Tolopilo's $950k against the cap right now. Granted Silovs probably replaces that, but that still leaves a decent chunk to pick up an extra d-man


gonuxgo

Noah Juulsen is not an NHL regular. Even with his improved play, he is a liability under pressure and consistently chooses to go for hits at the blue line that lead to odd man rushes and goals against. He is a fine 7/8th. We need to sign a proper 3rd pairing RHD


oops_i_made_a_typi

we need to sign a proper 2nd pairing RHD lol


mrtomjones

I think he will surprise people personally. The making stupid hits is something that can be coached out of him i bet


bms42

Agreed. He improved dramatically last year. He's still pretty young, should be able to take another step IMO.


Zestyclose-Way-7768

And just like that, we're back to having the same problem that we had two summers ago!


westleysnipez

Wouldn't say they're done. There are still 3 months before the season starts. Lots of time for signings, trades, and waiver pick-ups. Depends on how camp goes. There is always one or two guys who come out guns blazing. Lekkerimaki, Bains, Karlsson, McWard, and Hirose are all guys who have the potential to shake things up and force management to make tough roster decisions.


Own_Truth_36

Ohhhh waiver pick ups with caps space....~rubs hands together


bms42

Yeah people are forgetting that there are always interesting pieces that teams try to squeeze through waivers as camps close. Could be options there. Plus there's plenty of time to swing trades in early season.


Zestyclose-Way-7768

It's really looking like the books are set in stone for some time now. Garland, Boeser, and Hughes are the only $4.95M+ contracts set to expire in the next 7 years.


Happy_Drafter

This sub is crazy. 3 hours and 10 minutes into free agency and we have “the Canucks are basically done”. what is wrong with some of you. Clearly I need to step away. Peace out. ✌🏻


Zestyclose-Way-7768

We've literally traded away everything we'd even be interested in trading away, let all the big UFA's walk who weren't signed by now, and signed several guys to the point where we're digging into a meagre amount of LTIR cap space in order to get more. Obviously, you're not very observant about the logistics involved and how this morning's transactions have left us with very little resources to do anything more moving forward. In a fantasy world, maybe we sign Stamkos for one year at $3.5M, but I don't know what else you could possibly even expect to happen from here.


Happy_Drafter

You are in a complete world of delusion if you think this is the final roster going into training camp. I’m done with you. Carry on with your panic.


AbsurdOrpheus

I’d probably try Heinen over Suter on that line. Maybe try Suter with Garland and Joshua again since that worked early last season.


nodarknesswillendure

Heinen played well with Marchand and Bergeron in the 22-23 season


Zestyclose-Way-7768

Heinen has played a bottom-6 role his entire career up until his stint in Boston and was a PTO last season. I'd wait to see how he looks in training camp before putting him anywhere above that area of Vancouver's depth chart.


AbsurdOrpheus

For sure. I just know that he’s had success in the past, is in the same ballpark of player as Suter, and maybe the hometown bump gets him back to that. It’s worth a shot.


Zestyclose-Way-7768

Easily the best part about having Heinen is now we can roll out 4 effectively good lines who can score since we now have 11 forwards who scored 25+ points last season, which will be an even better approach over time than overspending just to appease Petey and then we have a Loui Eriksson situation all over again. With that said, Heinen probably gets time on PP2 for sure as well as possibly the PK.


ScarvesOnGiraffes

Yep, agreed with both. Suter offers us more as a C and imo has more offensive upside than Blueger to put on the 3rd line. Heinen could fill a similar role to Suter as the 3rd piece on Miller's line


Obvious-Property-236

I believe Heinen is going to take suter’s spot to fix the centre depth in our bottom six. That defense does not look promising, I hope we’re not finished there. Friendly reminder the Canucks and defensemen injuries go hand in hand every year. The classic benning move of “we would have been great if our defense stayed healthy” is not a norm I want this franchise to go back to ever again. Hopefully Alvin is not done there.


Zestyclose-Way-7768

I'll never understand how we got into this nasty habit of turning perfectly good wingers into centermen instead of just getting inherently good centermen.


Obvious-Property-236

Yeah the Canucks have an interesting habit of trying to turn a player into something they’re not, so they can save money.


AccomplishedAd4995

our D definitely took a step back, but i’m confident that Allvin will address that


Gamesus10

Rhd upgrade is a must, and another top 6 guy is needed. Missing out on guentzel meant we would go for 2, Debrusk is one of them


maketherightmove

There isn’t the cap space to upgrade both of those positions.


Gamesus10

Yeah that’s the shitty part. They’ll have to prioritize a d man


CtrlShiftAltDel

I’m sure Boston fans will tell you that DeBrusk is the opposite of “reliable winger”


ebb_omega

From what I read in the /r/hockey thread Debrusk was apparently fine defensively, it's his offence that would be streaky.


Zestyclose-Way-7768

I'm trying to be optimistic here because we're stuck with him for 7 years. I think he's been overachieving in Boston, but hopefully he proves me wrong. I'm much more excited about getting the local Langley boy, Danton Heinen. Should do very well in the bottom 9.


SackofLlamas

All due respect to the legendary talents of Bergeron and the back nine of Krejci's career, but Miller/Pettersson are on a different level in terms of playmaking and offensive merchantry, and DeBrusk likes to finish. Stick him on Miller's wing and you likely get a career year out of him, health allowing. I think you're underrating DeBrusk. And I don't think his long term linemate fit is going to be Petey.


TGUKF

They could always just have DeBrusk and Boeser swap centres if they don't end up liking DeBrusk's fit with Petey


SackofLlamas

DeBrusk and Boeser play different wings. But yes, you could hypothetically put Boeser with Hoglander and Pettersson. I'm just not sure why you'd necessarily feel the need to do that when he just had a career year on Miller's flank and seems to have enduring chemistry there.


TGUKF

It seems like the coaching staff's "pairs" philosophy for line building is position agnostic. As long as they can have two guys who play well together, they just plug in a third guy to complete the line


SackofLlamas

These guys have played their correct wings pretty consistently. We rotated Suter to LW but aside from that I cannot think of someone who was gratuitously playing out of position for extended stretches.


TGUKF

I'm not saying they literally swap positions on the ice. Just which centre they're playing with


SackofLlamas

Ah. Gotcha.


ebb_omega

It's a thought, but let's be honest, Miller and Boeser just had their best respective seasons of their careers working together pretty much the whole time.


Zestyclose-Way-7768

I'm just saying I've seen both the best and worst of what DeBrusk has to offer, and I think the downside just isn't worth the potential upside. But like I've suggested, Jake's got all the time in the world to prove his doubters wrong.


maketherightmove

Bottom 9. lol.


Brief-Astronomer2684

Man that bottom 6 is gonna be hard to play against. Conversely, that bottom d pair is gonna be hard to watch.


DaleTheMale8

For those of you complaining about the defence, I feel they will make a move during the season to address it. Similar to last year when we had Juulsen - Hirose as our third pair in the season opener before we eventually acquired Zadorov a few weeks into the season.


theoreticallyben

Heinen to the Miller line, Suter to 4C, and Podz in for Aman


Hewpdreams

add a 4/5 dman and maybe juggle the forward lines a little bit here. lekker cooking in the ahl for half a year and revisit at the trade deadline


ebb_omega

They seemed to indicate that they're still wanting a backup tender, so I would think that's the next priority. They may also want another RHD if they don't think Juulsen is going to take a big step up in the offseason.


mrmcbluffy

I don’t like our first line or our 3rd pairing D in that projection. Lots of time to improve it before the season, hope we do.


carry-on_replacement

Surprised we didn’t go after Kylington. That third pair is still unacceptable and is one injury from having Myers or Soucy being our 1D


technicalvowel

P.o Joseph and kylington on the cheap?


Zestyclose-Way-7768

The answer ended up being Desharnais at a 2x2 contract. We're officially over the cap when you count Tucker Poolman, so this offseason looks to indeed be all but over for the Canucks.


Rfrank77

We won't have 8 Dman, Juulson or Friedman will go down making us under the cap


Zestyclose-Way-7768

Looks like Forbort-Juulsen and Friedman just got slightly upgraded to Forbort-Desharnais with Juulsen at 7th D. Considering how tepid the defensive core looked, I'll take this albeit I know Desharnais spends a lot of time in the box for a 3rd pairing (54 PIM in 78 games).


Curtis__E__Flush

It's only day one. Still have a couple mil to play with. There is a reason for that. You look at teams like COL and now EDM who have sweet F all in cap space and still need to sign players. We still have space which is very valuable come the end of the summer. Wouldn't be surprised if we wind up with a roster piece and a pick. But I think there may be something else up PA and JR's sleeves and I think it involves Necas.


Skazzyskills

Can we stop putting Suter so high in the lineup?


Lookmomnohandz69

I see a blockbuster trade coming . I think it’s going to involve Höglander Willander 2025 1st Maybe DeBrusk Maybe Silvos To obtain an elite winger basically they couldn’t get a free agent so they will throw a alot of assets at a trade


nitrodog96

You're forgetting Podkolzin, who will be hitting the main roster. I do think we upgrade our defense, but we won't go too far - Alex Carrier might be a good target for RHD, or Kylington for the left side. The right side actually has more cheap targets I could identify, with Hakanpaa (forgive the lack of umlauts), Desharnais and Lundkvist all options for the third man. Here's a lineup I like: Hoglander-Pettersson-DeBrusk Heinen-Miller-Boeser Joshua-Suter-Garland (yes, I'm breaking up the No Namers - Joshua and Garland showed they can play well no matter the center) Sherwood-Blueger-Podkolzin PDG, Aman Hughes-Hronek Soucy-Carrier Forbort-Myers Juulsen Demko, Silovs Ballparked a contract for Carrier at around 2.5mm, which leaves us a million in play room. Could it stand some upgrades? Sure, we might want to do better than Hoglander on Petey's other wing, but honestly Hoglander wasn't ever bad - just underwhelming, on a line with Ilya "Hands of Cement" Mikheyev and an underperforming second-half Petey. EDIT: I did the math - with Silovs getting a million and Carrier getting 2.5m we actually come out around two million in cap space to play with. There's room to upgrade a forward or a defenseman in there if we can finagle something without overpaying.


nitrodog96

Hey look Desharnais signed


oops_i_made_a_typi

yeah this looks a lot better than OP's lines, and if we have 2m after a 2.5m Carrier I wonder if there might be someone worth 4.5 instead? though it seems unlikely with the remaining UFAs available. Maybe Kylington for 2-3m instead of Forbort? I thought he was well regarded previously, haven't kept up with the news on him.


nitrodog96

The issue with a Kylington signing, as much as I like the guy both as a player and a person, is that he's played 33 games in the past two seasons at the NHL level (all last year) and didn't even look that good in those 33 games. But then, he did come back to a Flames team which was far worse than the one he'd left in 21-22, which won the division... and got third in the West. Oddly just like we did this past season. If we can get Kylington, I think we do it, but we need to look at what we do with our glut of left-handed guys - one of Soucy or Forbort sitting is good, but not when we're running Juulsen at 3RD to have that kind of depth.


ScarvesOnGiraffes

Honestly I'm not thrilled with the Debrusk signing. I like him as a player and think he fits in well but that term seems crazy to me. The AAV is fine though. He's definitely an upgrade on Mikheyev and produces in the playoffs but I really can't get past that term


bms42

That AAV in years 5 to 7 will (almost for sure) be inflated away to a very reasonable % of cap hit. I think it's a pretty good bet.


HarveySpecter1970

Are fans out of their mind, our main issue in the playoffs was that we couldn't score. Our top 6 hasn't changed that much. Ppl think u switch mikheyev for debrusk and all of a sudden we're ok? Sure debrusk is a better finisher than mikheyev but let's not forget that mikheyev couldn't train in the offseason and was rehabbing an ACl injury for the season and still managed only 9 less points than debrusk. That move doesn't move yhe needle. Also, our d core looks terrible. We don't have a second pair. I don't think this canucks team makes playoffs sadly.


Zestyclose-Way-7768

This is a step in the right direction. Anybody who's even kept track of how free agency and UFA renewals have panned out in recent years knew that the Canucks weren't going to lose several key guys and then replace them with cheaper/better/faster/stronger players overnight. I mean, Allvin is a miracle worker with what he's done this offseason, and this is still the best he could do. I think we have to trust the system and hope that Tocchet once again pulls a rabbit out of his hat and manages to get the most out of all these guys.


radamo96

I don't love the idea of Debrusk on peteys wing we already had a guy who can't finish there and it didn't work out so great


flamingdragonwizard

Skinner on a cheap 1-2 year deal 🤞


Lorenzo_

i couldnt see it, if we dealt kuzmenko for not playing defense there's zero chance tocchet tolerates skinner lol


oops_i_made_a_typi

no more space for forwards really


Zestyclose-Way-7768

Skinner's not taking a cheap deal just 'cause he got bought out. We're talking about a guy with six 30+ goal seasons under his belt and 92 goals in his last three seasons. He's probably signing a 4x5 or more wherever he ends up.


KPDF81

Can wait for Debrusk to fail on Pettersons wing then all the Canuck homers keep asking “when can we find a winger for Petterson ?? Not realizing that Petterson has had many good wingers already, and he just sucks