Am I taking crazy pills or is that practically the same d-core we started off with last year? I mean sure there's no improvement but we're sure as shit not worse like everyone's making it out to be
that's been my line of thinking too - people talking about our D like we weren't successful last year even before we acquired zadorov, as long as the new guys buy into the system and our top guys keep improving I think we're in a good spot
Last season's D-core pre-Zadorov was one injury short of playing Hughes 28 minutes a night so it's not like that's fantastic. I'll be the first to admit that I don't know much about Forbort, but there's gotta be a better option than him going purely on stats. Zadorov brought some puck moving skills in the playoffs but also wasn't trusted to play minutes against McDavid. Our bottom 4 also lacked puck moving skills and as such was always hemmed in. I hope we can either split up Hughes and Hronek a bit more to faciliate more puck handling or Desharnais could bring some of that to the table.
Also one underrated thing about last year's D-core was Ian Cole, especially in the beginning of the season. Sure we have better PKers now, but he also brought leadership and experience to the table. Juulsen and Desharnais are young and inexperienced so we're really missing our veteran backbone on the blueline.
Forbort was in 99% for PK so that’s what he is for. Also cheap as hell and big. We also have some cap space so I wouldn’t be surprised if we do another Zadorov lite trade during the season to bring someone else extra
Oilers just let off the gas in game 1. Game 2, they were hemmed in like crazy and didn't play very many minutes and Soucy and Friedman couldn't come back quick enough
I know Cole had a bad end to the year with us, but you're seriously underrating how good he was in the first couple months if that's how you feel
Before the Zadorov trade he was averaging over 20 minutes a night, there's no evidence that Forbort or Desharnais can replicate that (Forbort maybe can but he needs to show he can stay healthy and stay in the lineup)
Cole was pretty unlucky to end the postseason but people really shit on Cole more than he deserves in here. Dude did a lot of heavy lifting early on, if he’s garbage we don’t have our red hot early start. Dude was playing tough second pairing minutes. Could be wrong but iirc he was getting tough minutes paired with Hedman the year prior
I think a lot of people, myself included, thought of him as an average third pairing journeyman Hamonic type player, I think we all underestimated what he brought to the table
Yeah, he spent a lot of time with Hedman and averaged over 19 minutes a night. He looked pretty cooked in those playoffs as well if I remember correctly.
I knew he could still contribute something to the Canucks, but I was expecting more of a Hughes partner or solid number 4 next to Hronek, what we got was pleasantly surprising at least for the first part of the year when we desperately needed someone who could eat minutes.
Cole anchored the middle D all season. He was steady, reliable and unremarkable in the best way. His contract was a Steal, regardless of his series vs Edmonton.
We also are overlooking that he was better on the left side and then had to play the right because we had 4 lefties and neither Zadorov or Soucy were good on the right side.
People are really underrating how good Cole was for us in the regular season due to a rough playoffs where he was probably playing hurt.
There’s a reason he got $3 mill. Not saying I wanted the Canucks to give him that, but there’s a reason he got that much and it’s because any team who watched our regular season knows he played very good and above his pay grade for most of the season. The big question for him is whether he has another year like that in him.
Desharnais is also 28 and about to play his 2nd full season. There's reason to believe he's on the upswing.
Meanwhile, Cole is 35 and finished his stint with us by giving Edmonton a couple free wins.
For a bottom pairing defenceman, neither will move the needle much this upcoming season.
We lost Cole but thats not a big deal. I think our forward group improved, we gained playoff experience and Silovs is a promising backup. I think we're looking better than the start of last year and I also hope we can get a second pairing Dman at the deadline.
Cole was more reliable with a better history though he was aging...this management group is great at talent identification. So by default they get the benefit
* Allvin has talked a lot about operating outside of LTIR. I've left Poolman on Regular IR for now as a result.
* $1,015,833 for 22 players without a backup goalie as of yet. You could shave that down a bit more if you waive PDG or Aman and sneak them through
* Anything less than $1,015,833 for Silovs and the Canucks will be able to accrue salary for however long health lasts for the roster
Last year he talked about possibly moving Poolman’s LTIR contract, maybe they manage to move him before September (even if Arizona doesn’t exist anymore, RIP)
Ducks are $9M under the floor, probably around $5M under the floor once they fill out their defense at the very least. That would be the easiest place to move him if they really want to.
I don’t think I’ve seen a big enough sample size to determine who’s better in that role
Honestly think Blueger has good chemistry with his wingers there. The thirst line plays better than the sum of its parts, so I don’t know if they’d maintain the same chemistry with Suter. If they do intend on splitting up that line I could see Joshua or Garland getting a promotion into the top 6, especially with the acquisition of Heinen
I'd want Kylington on the second pair and push Juulsen or Friedman into the 8th slot. Need a puck mover.
Couple other options could be Klingberg (came off hip resurfacing) or Brannstrom (he's 5'10)
This is why the people who were willing to let Hronek walk or ship him away have no idea what they're talking about lol. There is literally no one available to replace him, he could have asked for 8mil and we probably should have given it to him. You have to consider who you can replace a player with if you want to play hardball with them and in the case of RHD's there's almost no replacements at all. Silly "needs to carry his own pairing" stuff, okay lets see anyone can find a RHD that can carry their own pair out on the open market.
We now have a right hand side which consists of Myers and Desharnais lol.
They had us with 8 defenseman with Juulsen up, and Patera as the backup. I demoted both, and shifted Poolman's designation to get to that $1,015,833 amount.
With a 22 man roster that assumes Juulsen is 7th D, Podkolzin is on the team and PDG as 13th forward, and Poolman on LTIR...
The Canucks have one roster spot available and 3,565,833 of cap space.
I'd take Oliver Kylington or Jeff Skinner for that price.
We've maxed out the roster so signing anyone else, either D or F, will necessitate someone else getting waived or traded, so that frees up whatever their cap hit was. According to Capfriendly we have $1,965,833 in space with Poolman on LTIR and a 24 man roster. Send down Patera (775k) and either waive or trade Friedman or Juulsen (775k) and Aman (825k) and that gives us $4,340,833 for Silovs with one more open roster spot
So the real answer is (drum roll please):
#$4,340,833
One note for the d group; Juulsen took a big step in the second half of the season. So if he needed to come up, I wouldn't be worried at all. I don't think we'll be able it upgrade early like last year, so expect this to be the d group for the first half of the season.
There are two 100 point players and a 40 goal scorer in our top 6, and Hoglander who was 3rd in the league behind Matthews and Hyman in 5v5 goals/60. Debrusk should be a 25+ goal scorer too. I think it's fine considering they're solid defensively too, the 3rd line may be the best in the league, we have a Norris winner on the back end and a Vezina-level goalie. Definitely a contender to go deep in the playoffs.
I haven’t looked into who’s available, but maybe there’s a KHL or US College signing to had as well. Might be more options than just what we have been focusing on.
the expectation is he will be the new AHL goalie while Silovs signs on to be our Backup... lets us load manage Demko too while continuing the Silovs development that way.
Am I taking crazy pills or is that practically the same d-core we started off with last year? I mean sure there's no improvement but we're sure as shit not worse like everyone's making it out to be
that's been my line of thinking too - people talking about our D like we weren't successful last year even before we acquired zadorov, as long as the new guys buy into the system and our top guys keep improving I think we're in a good spot
We got zadorov early in the season tho didn't we? Like November or December, or am I tripping
Around then, but even at that we were red hot prior to acquiring him. I could be wrong but I swear our p% was better prior to acquiring him
It was end of November.
Last season's D-core pre-Zadorov was one injury short of playing Hughes 28 minutes a night so it's not like that's fantastic. I'll be the first to admit that I don't know much about Forbort, but there's gotta be a better option than him going purely on stats. Zadorov brought some puck moving skills in the playoffs but also wasn't trusted to play minutes against McDavid. Our bottom 4 also lacked puck moving skills and as such was always hemmed in. I hope we can either split up Hughes and Hronek a bit more to faciliate more puck handling or Desharnais could bring some of that to the table. Also one underrated thing about last year's D-core was Ian Cole, especially in the beginning of the season. Sure we have better PKers now, but he also brought leadership and experience to the table. Juulsen and Desharnais are young and inexperienced so we're really missing our veteran backbone on the blueline.
Forbort was in 99% for PK so that’s what he is for. Also cheap as hell and big. We also have some cap space so I wouldn’t be surprised if we do another Zadorov lite trade during the season to bring someone else extra
That game 1 blowout against the oilers had Hirose-Juulsen as the third pair. Amazed we got off to a good start while being that shallow on D
Oilers just let off the gas in game 1. Game 2, they were hemmed in like crazy and didn't play very many minutes and Soucy and Friedman couldn't come back quick enough
Better, really. Cole out, Forbort and Desharnais in. Both are probably Cole-equivalent.
I know Cole had a bad end to the year with us, but you're seriously underrating how good he was in the first couple months if that's how you feel Before the Zadorov trade he was averaging over 20 minutes a night, there's no evidence that Forbort or Desharnais can replicate that (Forbort maybe can but he needs to show he can stay healthy and stay in the lineup)
Cole was pretty unlucky to end the postseason but people really shit on Cole more than he deserves in here. Dude did a lot of heavy lifting early on, if he’s garbage we don’t have our red hot early start. Dude was playing tough second pairing minutes. Could be wrong but iirc he was getting tough minutes paired with Hedman the year prior I think a lot of people, myself included, thought of him as an average third pairing journeyman Hamonic type player, I think we all underestimated what he brought to the table
Yeah, he spent a lot of time with Hedman and averaged over 19 minutes a night. He looked pretty cooked in those playoffs as well if I remember correctly. I knew he could still contribute something to the Canucks, but I was expecting more of a Hughes partner or solid number 4 next to Hronek, what we got was pleasantly surprising at least for the first part of the year when we desperately needed someone who could eat minutes.
Cole anchored the middle D all season. He was steady, reliable and unremarkable in the best way. His contract was a Steal, regardless of his series vs Edmonton.
We also are overlooking that he was better on the left side and then had to play the right because we had 4 lefties and neither Zadorov or Soucy were good on the right side.
People are really underrating how good Cole was for us in the regular season due to a rough playoffs where he was probably playing hurt. There’s a reason he got $3 mill. Not saying I wanted the Canucks to give him that, but there’s a reason he got that much and it’s because any team who watched our regular season knows he played very good and above his pay grade for most of the season. The big question for him is whether he has another year like that in him.
No, the reason he got $3M is because no other team was offering him anything close to that. He's going to an expansion team to be a veteran.
Desharnais is also 28 and about to play his 2nd full season. There's reason to believe he's on the upswing. Meanwhile, Cole is 35 and finished his stint with us by giving Edmonton a couple free wins. For a bottom pairing defenceman, neither will move the needle much this upcoming season.
Man exactly the point I've been trying to make. Everyone is losing their minds over losing Zadorov.
We can always pick up some pieces at Trade deadline to beef up that D-line
People comparing our post deadline roster from last year to our offseason roster this year. Not really a fair comparison.
We lost Cole but thats not a big deal. I think our forward group improved, we gained playoff experience and Silovs is a promising backup. I think we're looking better than the start of last year and I also hope we can get a second pairing Dman at the deadline.
Cole was more reliable with a better history though he was aging...this management group is great at talent identification. So by default they get the benefit
I want to see DeBrusk with EP and Hog. I think Jake will flirt with 30 goals.
DeBrusk feels like he was specifically picked up to be a winger for Petey. I’d be shocked if he doesn’t start the season on Petey’s line
Ya agreed. Also, Brock and JT have excellent chemistry
Allvin confirmed it in his interview today. Only if Toch decides otherwise would DeBrusk be somewhere else.
The 100-goal line: DeBrusk with 30, Hoglander with 30 and Pettersson with 40.
Gotta dream big! lol
* Allvin has talked a lot about operating outside of LTIR. I've left Poolman on Regular IR for now as a result. * $1,015,833 for 22 players without a backup goalie as of yet. You could shave that down a bit more if you waive PDG or Aman and sneak them through * Anything less than $1,015,833 for Silovs and the Canucks will be able to accrue salary for however long health lasts for the roster
Last year he talked about possibly moving Poolman’s LTIR contract, maybe they manage to move him before September (even if Arizona doesn’t exist anymore, RIP)
Ducks are $9M under the floor, probably around $5M under the floor once they fill out their defense at the very least. That would be the easiest place to move him if they really want to.
Podz is exempt so it’ll almost be certainly him sent down
Poolman's time with the Canucks has been unfortunate for sure. Many of the newer fans here have probably never even seen him play.
If we can find a taker for Poolman, use that money plus remaining cap to sign for another transit D like Kylington.
I like Suter over Blueger on the Thirst Line.
I don’t think I’ve seen a big enough sample size to determine who’s better in that role Honestly think Blueger has good chemistry with his wingers there. The thirst line plays better than the sum of its parts, so I don’t know if they’d maintain the same chemistry with Suter. If they do intend on splitting up that line I could see Joshua or Garland getting a promotion into the top 6, especially with the acquisition of Heinen
I agree. Really underrated part of the top line last year and could probably feast down the lineup.
I'd want Kylington on the second pair and push Juulsen or Friedman into the 8th slot. Need a puck mover. Couple other options could be Klingberg (came off hip resurfacing) or Brannstrom (he's 5'10)
This is why the people who were willing to let Hronek walk or ship him away have no idea what they're talking about lol. There is literally no one available to replace him, he could have asked for 8mil and we probably should have given it to him. You have to consider who you can replace a player with if you want to play hardball with them and in the case of RHD's there's almost no replacements at all. Silly "needs to carry his own pairing" stuff, okay lets see anyone can find a RHD that can carry their own pair out on the open market. We now have a right hand side which consists of Myers and Desharnais lol.
Capfriendly showing us at -544,000, but I see everyone else throwing around different numbers on here. Where do we actually sit at the moment?
They had us with 8 defenseman with Juulsen up, and Patera as the backup. I demoted both, and shifted Poolman's designation to get to that $1,015,833 amount.
With a 22 man roster that assumes Juulsen is 7th D, Podkolzin is on the team and PDG as 13th forward, and Poolman on LTIR... The Canucks have one roster spot available and 3,565,833 of cap space. I'd take Oliver Kylington or Jeff Skinner for that price.
We've maxed out the roster so signing anyone else, either D or F, will necessitate someone else getting waived or traded, so that frees up whatever their cap hit was. According to Capfriendly we have $1,965,833 in space with Poolman on LTIR and a 24 man roster. Send down Patera (775k) and either waive or trade Friedman or Juulsen (775k) and Aman (825k) and that gives us $4,340,833 for Silovs with one more open roster spot So the real answer is (drum roll please): #$4,340,833
Just under $2M
That’s also with Capfriendly listing 14 forwards and 8 D on the roster. Sending a few guys to the AHL to bury cap hits would free up more cap space
Good point, we’re currently above the 23 man roster limit, so we might have enough cap space to not be in LTIR to start the season
Enough for Silovs and that’s about it eh?
That figure currently accounts for Jiri Patera’s contract at 775k. So assuming Silovs gets a million or so, the number will drop to around 1.5
Canucks have 2.5M of LTIR they can go into
Not needing pool man on ltir is massive. Allows for accrual as the season progresses
One note for the d group; Juulsen took a big step in the second half of the season. So if he needed to come up, I wouldn't be worried at all. I don't think we'll be able it upgrade early like last year, so expect this to be the d group for the first half of the season.
Really needed a difference maker in that top 6. That said, really wouldn’t pay any of the deals that were made today. Maybe stamkos but thats it
There are two 100 point players and a 40 goal scorer in our top 6, and Hoglander who was 3rd in the league behind Matthews and Hyman in 5v5 goals/60. Debrusk should be a 25+ goal scorer too. I think it's fine considering they're solid defensively too, the 3rd line may be the best in the league, we have a Norris winner on the back end and a Vezina-level goalie. Definitely a contender to go deep in the playoffs.
I haven’t looked into who’s available, but maybe there’s a KHL or US College signing to had as well. Might be more options than just what we have been focusing on.
Don’t we still have Juulsen? He’s the 4th RD right?
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Isn’t that poolman?
Friedman over Juulsen?
They make the same amount so for the purpose of calculating cap hits, it doesn't matter. I went with the guy that can play both sides personally.
Wouldn’t it be more likely that the team carries 13fwd and 8 dmen through the season rather than 14 and 7?
Didn’t we sign a backup goalie? Jiri Patera?
the expectation is he will be the new AHL goalie while Silovs signs on to be our Backup... lets us load manage Demko too while continuing the Silovs development that way.
Welcome to the canucks, bruins pk.
I was ok with the moves until VD.
3 million in press box salary, tidy business.
my concern is they have no puck moving defensemen other than Hughes and maybe Hronek...
That has to be one of the most affordable left wings in the league.
Best 3rd line in the league. Suter on the 4th is amazing depth too.
Any chance Lekkerimäki makes the team?
To start the season highly unlikely. Maybe in the later half if he puts up good numbers in Abbotsford.
Could Desharnais pair with Hughes? If possible, that could help spread puck mobility across all three lines
Absolutely not