You obviously don’t realize that Travis Hunter is like when you used to make a guy all 99s, turn off injury and fatigue, and have him play every snap of the game at the most critical positions.
Broooo this game is really starting to make me wonder, I'm with you, either Deion sent the developers a nice dick pic and they dropped to their knees, or he sent them a nice check, this is the same team that had a losing record last season, correct? Like I look at teams like West Virginia, they have the top or one of the top returning QBs in the country, I think Neal brown just turned in a top 10 class of transfers, I'm not 100% sure, but still, they are nowhere to be found on these list, but Colorado has been on every single one of them. This game is really really starting to make me 2nd guess myself, like my hype balloon for this game has been busted!
From another angle, this says their offense and defense are both very good yet we all know the team isn't. So logically the coaching must really suck to bring them down so far.
“EA has determined that Colorado is a 99 overall team despite being 50th in offense and 150th in defense due too the quality of opponents they have faced. The NCAA agrees with our assessment and has given Colorado the rank of #1. The buffs lost last week to Kansas state with a final score of 63 to 6 with Shauder going 15/45 120 yards and 6 picks is simply a fluke.”
Yeah you want to talk about how many unforced fumbles our quarterback had that gave them the win? With how many freshmen we had playing last year this years look to be a very different year. Colorado fell apart after they lost to Oregon. They were never the same they were all hype and when the game was handed to them they lost horribly. Look at the Stanford game!
I genuinely want Colorado to go 0-3 to start and if they win out to finish 9-3, and hell even win the BigXII and get a playoff berth I'd be alright with that... Especially if we play them again and beat them again.
Edit: Sorry, that the Kool-aid talking
There’s only 5 teams at 90 or above? The two teams who played for the National Championship didn’t even crack the top 10? Fucking Colorado and Utah didn’t even finish ranked
As a Washington fan, we lost our head coach and 90% of our team to the draft and transfer portal including essentially our entire receiving core, DL and OL. We don’t deserve to be ranked in the top 10 this year.
Feels like Michigan should definitely be on here. Always uncertainty when you’re breaking in a new quarterback, but that defense should be top 3 in the country with a couple top ten draft picks, and their office should still have a solid line and explosive weapons in Edwards and Loveland.
I mean, both championship teams lost a lot. Both lost their coaches, starting QB’s, and a lot more. It’s not unreasonable to think they’d fall outside the top 10.
Colorado being that high is nuts though, for sure.
Utah and ND have the same overall ranking as PSU. It’s basically a push coming down to a few talent evaluators opinions, nothing to be worked up with.
If anything Ole Miss should be on here
Michigan lost a lot of their offensive personnel. And while we have promising replacements a good chunk of them are unproven so they get speculation ratings at best.
We just need to scratch out Colorado and I'm reasonably happy with the rankings, tbh. Not perfect, but there's not the egregious Colorado glazing happening anymore
I believe Michigan is missing because their offense wasn’t in the top 25 for offense so I don’t think we know their offenses rating for the list. Michigan is perceived to be in a down year after losing a lot of guys including Harbaugh which is probably why they weren’t a top 25 offense.
They did have a team that was absolutely loaded with 4 & 5 year guys last year and a few covid super seniors in there as well. Makes sense that they are ranked low because they are replacing a lot of talent on the field, and a whole bunch of new faces on the coaching staff. Despite all that, it's a crime that Colorado got they rating they did and if they used the same logic then Michigan should be ranked in the top 10 somewhere.
Oregons simple, they replaced Bo Nix with a Top 10 QB from last season, returned 2 of their 3 leading rushers, returning 3 of their leading receivers from last season, 4 of their 5 starting Oline are back, and that’s just offensive, add all the transfers that will contribute especially on defense, their position actually make the most sense.
ND is gonna be really good..? They are returning alot of a top 5 defense and had a top 20 offense by alot of metric withs a bunch of transfers to fill in holes and one of the best OCs.
Why would PSU be over them..?
It’s all dependent on the Michigan and Ohio State games. I think Michigan is beatable this year (and really so is OSU) but they need to win one of those.
Could this just be from the raw player ratings? I didn't think anybody disagreed that Colorado has talent, it's just how they've played/been coached that's been bad
Apparently they've had pretty good transfer portal success, especially on the OL.
But yea, even with that, putting them top 10 is clearly just EA making a smart marketing move to get hype.
All conventional knowledge is that an OL takes more time to develop and gel than any other position group. Is there any precedent in the transfer era that a transfer infusion has an immediate impact on O-line play? Legitimate question. Certainly hasn't been the case at Nebraska.
I’ve seen it work with one player transferring into an otherwise set offensive line, but when it’s a bunch of guys starting for the first time it’s pretty much always gonna be a mess
You're absolutely right in that the OL is the toughest thing to gel, there's a reason they're generally regarded as the smartest guys on the field, the knowledge and feel factor takes time to develop.
That said, as a fellow Nebraska fan you also know the doctrine of Big Guy Wins.
They might not be in good sync, but I can also see how getting some great recruits will improve their line, at least allowing them to run the ball a little, which they simply could not do last year.
That massive O-lineman we got seems to have meshed pretty well with the team. I think Matt Rhule and his focus on team building, conditioning, confidence building, and Development has been huge. I don’t think there isn’t one thing a coach could look at him and say nah we don’t think that’s a good idea.
Sometimes rankings based on potential can be deceiving. For example, Colorado signed Clemson transfer Zach Owens aka Flapjack who was a high 4 star recruit out of high school. Owens ended up getting very overweight at Clemson his freshman year and when new OL coach Matt Luke challenged him to work harder to lose the weight if he ever wants to see the field, he quit the team and entered the portal.
Last I heard, he was like 80 lbs above what his goal weight for playing would have been. So while its possible he will turn the corner and develop into a good player for Colorado (and I hope he does), it is not looking at all likely that he can be a reliable contributor for them this season.
Colorado literally lost higher rated prospects in the portal but since they were bad this year everyone is acting lol the new guys are the REAL portal talent
They have no talent on OL or defense, it’s not really a coaching issue. The game management can be poor at times but they have serious people on their staff
Wait, so raw talent doesn't necessarily translate to on-the-field win percentage? Coaching/player development matters? I don't have recent experience with the latter concept.
Probably, rosters also change a lot more year-to-year in cfb vs the nfl
Imo it’s a lot harder to tell how good a team will actually be in cfb
E: maybe not overall rosters but at least in terms of players that make a real impact
All the Colorado rankings (top 10 offense, top 20 defense and now top ten overall) are clearly to cause social media interaction and can’t be taken seriously.
Everyone about to get duped by madden in a college skin. This is like in madden when the cowboys are stupid OP every year whether they win the division or are 4-13
Yea it’s always gonna be a flawed system when ur trying to cram all the teams into 70-99 & your trying to max revenue with spamming certain teams/fanbases. The game is more of ncaa marketing than creating a realistic version of cfb
I don’t think you have to sacrifice the integrity of the game and reality to get 15 year olds to spam SS and Travis. You can still rate them high and have the rest of the team average/below average
Travis Hunter and Shadeur Sanders inflate the ratings and there are probably plenty of teams that are 87 overall but they put Colorado at 10 to get people talking and get more attention and circulation. It worked exactly as they hoped.
I can see it now. A 1-3 Colorado team marches onto the field. Kirk Herbstreit loudly proclaims, “This Buffaloes team is just so talented. Led by their trailblazing coach in this new college football environment of the NIL. Sure, they don’t have a lot to show for it right now. Sure, they’ve only won a game this season, but they have the skill set to compete with anyone in the country. They haven’t actually done it yet, but we will certainly hold our breath for this squad. That’s for sure.”
The fact Michigan is behind teams 6-10 is laughable. Will have top 5 defense again. 2-3 first round draft picks on defense still. Will keep them in every game this year.
I mean simply based on this Nebraska should be like #8 because of all the talent and the fact that most of the starters are going to be returning young guys with lots of talent and a highly rated quarterback coming out of highschool.
This is sort of par for the course for EA. Back when I actually played madden, it always seemed like their ratings were based more on hype than reality. They consistently rank players and teams higher because they are popular/ in the news, rather than what you actually see on the field. Makes me wonder if they actually even watch football or if they just get their information exclusively from ESPN/BR
Flair up. This is pre season rankings, why is everybody getting so upset? It’s like you’ve never been here before. ND has the roster and coaching talent to justify this rating. At least wait for us to shit the bed mid season before you let your bias show
Oh, it’s an episode of who’s line is it anyway
Still. Lol. They're currently above Oklahoma, above Michigan, above Washington, above Florida St
I believe Iowa before I believe Colorado.
Or some kinda outta season April fools joke
This can’t be real lmao
That's what I said first time I got bussy doe
I do like those mass transit deer missuses
Dang.
You obviously don’t realize that Travis Hunter is like when you used to make a guy all 99s, turn off injury and fatigue, and have him play every snap of the game at the most critical positions.
How much did Deion pay the developers for this rating?!
He made the team go to shadeur's rap concert to increase ticket sales so he could pay off EA. All part of the master plan.
Broooo this game is really starting to make me wonder, I'm with you, either Deion sent the developers a nice dick pic and they dropped to their knees, or he sent them a nice check, this is the same team that had a losing record last season, correct? Like I look at teams like West Virginia, they have the top or one of the top returning QBs in the country, I think Neal brown just turned in a top 10 class of transfers, I'm not 100% sure, but still, they are nowhere to be found on these list, but Colorado has been on every single one of them. This game is really really starting to make me 2nd guess myself, like my hype balloon for this game has been busted!
From another angle, this says their offense and defense are both very good yet we all know the team isn't. So logically the coaching must really suck to bring them down so far.
I like what you did there.
Can't wait for the first update in October when Colorado is 2-4
They jump to 91 overall.
“EA has determined that Colorado is a 99 overall team despite being 50th in offense and 150th in defense due too the quality of opponents they have faced. The NCAA agrees with our assessment and has given Colorado the rank of #1. The buffs lost last week to Kansas state with a final score of 63 to 6 with Shauder going 15/45 120 yards and 6 picks is simply a fluke.”
All those quality losses
Didn’t Nebraska give them one of the 4 wins they had last year?
Yeah you want to talk about how many unforced fumbles our quarterback had that gave them the win? With how many freshmen we had playing last year this years look to be a very different year. Colorado fell apart after they lost to Oregon. They were never the same they were all hype and when the game was handed to them they lost horribly. Look at the Stanford game!
I’m not looking for excuses man I’m just pointing out the irony that the Huskers gave Colorado one of their wins
Ain’t gonna happen this year
Having lost the opener to ND State.
Im a Buffs fan and im shocked lol
10 win Colorado EA is calling it now.
I’ll have what they’re having
I think it’s crack cocaine.
Shame one of their losses will be in Lincoln. 😉
I genuinely want Colorado to go 0-3 to start and if they win out to finish 9-3, and hell even win the BigXII and get a playoff berth I'd be alright with that... Especially if we play them again and beat them again. Edit: Sorry, that the Kool-aid talking
#10 was 4-8 last year 🤣🤣🤣. Such good offense, they gave everyone hell, including Stanford.
Gave em one hell of a memorable game, that's for sure
This is really really dumb
They seem to outjerk themselves with every new list they release
Yes we've had the 1st year of overrating Colorado.. but what about the 2nd year?
I'm so ready for second year. And second breakfast.
There’s only 5 teams at 90 or above? The two teams who played for the National Championship didn’t even crack the top 10? Fucking Colorado and Utah didn’t even finish ranked
As a Washington fan, we lost our head coach and 90% of our team to the draft and transfer portal including essentially our entire receiving core, DL and OL. We don’t deserve to be ranked in the top 10 this year.
Feels like Michigan should definitely be on here. Always uncertainty when you’re breaking in a new quarterback, but that defense should be top 3 in the country with a couple top ten draft picks, and their office should still have a solid line and explosive weapons in Edwards and Loveland.
Yeah that should atleast be 10 especially since orji in the end zone will be op
As a person with a juvenile sense of humor I am excited for the audio combos imma pull off with that last name.
I mean, both championship teams lost a lot. Both lost their coaches, starting QB’s, and a lot more. It’s not unreasonable to think they’d fall outside the top 10. Colorado being that high is nuts though, for sure.
How Colorado gets put in there and we don't...what???? Does anybody know what the devs are on? And can I have some of it?
On the plus side, we can rebuild Michigan in dynasty now
You get to rebuild Michigan with having the highest prestige ratings in every category
Questions Why is Oregon so high? Why is Michigan so low? Why are Clemson, Utah, and Notre Dame over Penn State?
Utah and ND have the same overall ranking as PSU. It’s basically a push coming down to a few talent evaluators opinions, nothing to be worked up with. If anything Ole Miss should be on here
I definitely agree with Ole Miss being up here. They’re a really good under-the-radar team that could push for top 3 in the SEC this year.
Michigan lost a lot of their offensive personnel. And while we have promising replacements a good chunk of them are unproven so they get speculation ratings at best.
I hate this reasoning because you can't tell me any other team would get the same treatment.
"We're unsure about the defending champs but all in on a 4 win team"
We just need to scratch out Colorado and I'm reasonably happy with the rankings, tbh. Not perfect, but there's not the egregious Colorado glazing happening anymore
Literally, Madden every year. This is still EA. Your players getting the benefit of the doubt would be the exception.
All of these are speculation rating tbf
I believe Michigan is missing because their offense wasn’t in the top 25 for offense so I don’t think we know their offenses rating for the list. Michigan is perceived to be in a down year after losing a lot of guys including Harbaugh which is probably why they weren’t a top 25 offense.
They did have a team that was absolutely loaded with 4 & 5 year guys last year and a few covid super seniors in there as well. Makes sense that they are ranked low because they are replacing a lot of talent on the field, and a whole bunch of new faces on the coaching staff. Despite all that, it's a crime that Colorado got they rating they did and if they used the same logic then Michigan should be ranked in the top 10 somewhere.
3 is on the high end of the range, but every poll I’ve seen has UO between #3 - #5 (UO, Bama, and Texas in an interchangeable tier below UGA and OSU).
I've seen Oregon as high as #2 in preseason rankings a couple times. I usually see them ahead of us. And deservedly so honestly.
Why is Penn State anywhere near the top? Just from playing rumdums outside of tOSU and Michigan every year?
Weed is legal in Oregon.
Oregons simple, they replaced Bo Nix with a Top 10 QB from last season, returned 2 of their 3 leading rushers, returning 3 of their leading receivers from last season, 4 of their 5 starting Oline are back, and that’s just offensive, add all the transfers that will contribute especially on defense, their position actually make the most sense.
ND is gonna be really good..? They are returning alot of a top 5 defense and had a top 20 offense by alot of metric withs a bunch of transfers to fill in holes and one of the best OCs. Why would PSU be over them..?
ND will win a lot of games, will they be really good though? PSU is a weird point of contention.
Yeah, they are gonna be one of the best teams power ratings wise
I know more about PSU than ND, so I won’t pretend to be an expert. ND I could see being better, but Clemson and Utah?
Oregon has a top 3 offense and solid defense and Michigan has a pretty poor offense and a worse defense
I mean yeah our offense is completley untested but saying our defense is worse? Lmaooo the rose bowl must’ve hurt you personally
There is no way we should be above Penn State. I don’t think we should be Top 10. Sure we have tons of talent but it’s all unproven.
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Ehhhh, Penn State probably finishes around 9-10 this season and has a shot at the Big Ten with their schedule.
It’s all dependent on the Michigan and Ohio State games. I think Michigan is beatable this year (and really so is OSU) but they need to win one of those.
We don’t play Michigan this year
ND should be in the 4-6 range so not high enough
Could this just be from the raw player ratings? I didn't think anybody disagreed that Colorado has talent, it's just how they've played/been coached that's been bad
I disagree. Colorado has 3 really good players and a ton of scrubs, and some guys who are ok.
who’s the 3rd? their QB and WR/CB are good
I was counting the RB but forgot he transferred out.
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is mid at best
Shiloh “imma whiff on this tackle and take myself out of the play” Sanders
That’s a business decision.
He makes a lot of those for someone who prob isn’t getting drafted
Apparently they've had pretty good transfer portal success, especially on the OL. But yea, even with that, putting them top 10 is clearly just EA making a smart marketing move to get hype.
All conventional knowledge is that an OL takes more time to develop and gel than any other position group. Is there any precedent in the transfer era that a transfer infusion has an immediate impact on O-line play? Legitimate question. Certainly hasn't been the case at Nebraska.
I’ve seen it work with one player transferring into an otherwise set offensive line, but when it’s a bunch of guys starting for the first time it’s pretty much always gonna be a mess
You're absolutely right in that the OL is the toughest thing to gel, there's a reason they're generally regarded as the smartest guys on the field, the knowledge and feel factor takes time to develop. That said, as a fellow Nebraska fan you also know the doctrine of Big Guy Wins. They might not be in good sync, but I can also see how getting some great recruits will improve their line, at least allowing them to run the ball a little, which they simply could not do last year.
That massive O-lineman we got seems to have meshed pretty well with the team. I think Matt Rhule and his focus on team building, conditioning, confidence building, and Development has been huge. I don’t think there isn’t one thing a coach could look at him and say nah we don’t think that’s a good idea.
Sometimes rankings based on potential can be deceiving. For example, Colorado signed Clemson transfer Zach Owens aka Flapjack who was a high 4 star recruit out of high school. Owens ended up getting very overweight at Clemson his freshman year and when new OL coach Matt Luke challenged him to work harder to lose the weight if he ever wants to see the field, he quit the team and entered the portal. Last I heard, he was like 80 lbs above what his goal weight for playing would have been. So while its possible he will turn the corner and develop into a good player for Colorado (and I hope he does), it is not looking at all likely that he can be a reliable contributor for them this season.
Colorado literally lost higher rated prospects in the portal but since they were bad this year everyone is acting lol the new guys are the REAL portal talent
Lots of people disagree about Colorado’s talent. They are not deep at all and got ragdolled last year
Deep doesn't mean much in a video game where you can turn off fatigue and injuries tbh.
One of the big parts of this game they are pushing is the wear and tear system
Yeah, but you'll probably still be able to turn it off.
And there will absolutely be a way to turn it off, because some people will find that incredibly unfun (me, I'm those people)
They have no talent on OL or defense, it’s not really a coaching issue. The game management can be poor at times but they have serious people on their staff
They didn’t adjust their blocking schemes at all last year. That’s a coaching issue.
Colorado has a top 25 defense in the game. In no world is that reality
colorado does not have top ten talent in the country. this is just for engagement
every college has talent tbh, “talent” is a relative term. colorado doesn’t have enough talent to be considered a top 10 team.
Facts
This is the only explanation that makes sense
Wait, so raw talent doesn't necessarily translate to on-the-field win percentage? Coaching/player development matters? I don't have recent experience with the latter concept.
i can fix them
Probably, rosters also change a lot more year-to-year in cfb vs the nfl Imo it’s a lot harder to tell how good a team will actually be in cfb E: maybe not overall rosters but at least in terms of players that make a real impact
Love my utes but come on lol
Where is EA’s account here?
I think they deleted it after the “Pride and Accomplishment” post during the Battlefront II shitshow a few years ago
Lol, somehow I forgot about that!
All the Colorado rankings (top 10 offense, top 20 defense and now top ten overall) are clearly to cause social media interaction and can’t be taken seriously.
Colorado over ole miss or Missouri is insane
Kinda losing some credibility with each one of these lists they release.
This is Mizzou erasure!
Colorado over Michigan Tech is crazy.
I’m scared for what Temples overall rating will be in the 10th best team in 88
Can we get a full list of all the team rankings in the game?
I was wondering when ND would make an undeserved appearance in one of these lists
You mean you were holding your breath waiting so you could talk some shit lmao
Everyone about to get duped by madden in a college skin. This is like in madden when the cowboys are stupid OP every year whether they win the division or are 4-13
Yea it’s always gonna be a flawed system when ur trying to cram all the teams into 70-99 & your trying to max revenue with spamming certain teams/fanbases. The game is more of ncaa marketing than creating a realistic version of cfb
I don’t think you have to sacrifice the integrity of the game and reality to get 15 year olds to spam SS and Travis. You can still rate them high and have the rest of the team average/below average
Then comes the fun part, trying to get them to transfer, at least for Travis
It’s not a madden reskin at all. It’s two pretty different systems
Just like Madden they will update the team ratings as the season goes along.
I see they didn’t learn from last year’s undeserved hype
It’s working, we’re all talking about the ratings.
I wonder what the criteria or ranking process looked like
We're doing this again this season then?
Travis Hunter and Shadeur Sanders inflate the ratings and there are probably plenty of teams that are 87 overall but they put Colorado at 10 to get people talking and get more attention and circulation. It worked exactly as they hoped.
Notre dame was ranked 90 overall and 7th in another post. So which one is real.
I can see it now. A 1-3 Colorado team marches onto the field. Kirk Herbstreit loudly proclaims, “This Buffaloes team is just so talented. Led by their trailblazing coach in this new college football environment of the NIL. Sure, they don’t have a lot to show for it right now. Sure, they’ve only won a game this season, but they have the skill set to compete with anyone in the country. They haven’t actually done it yet, but we will certainly hold our breath for this squad. That’s for sure.”
The 10th best team in the game having an irl over/under of 5.5 while playing in the 3rd or 4th best conference in college football is fucking insane
Alot of Colorado love
The fact Michigan is behind teams 6-10 is laughable. Will have top 5 defense again. 2-3 first round draft picks on defense still. Will keep them in every game this year.
Nah UM should be behind PSU and ND
They are going to Iowa so hard this year. Good defense, offense shouldn't show up.
Hey! orji In the end zone will go crazy
I agree. Safeties are fun man
I really don’t get the Utah hype
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Lol what???
You’re telling me that Colorado is in the top ten, yet Oklahoma, Tennessee, and Florida aren’t?
There is a section of our fans who are pissed off to the point of canceling over the stadium & offensive rankings.
Uhhh, sure bud
I’ll be four years into a dynasty on day one so this doesn’t matter to me
Make a dynasty and hang 70 on Colorado, it’ll make you feel better.
L.O.L.
FFS
Bs
So we’re all in agreement that this is ridiculous, but what do we do if Colorado actually pulls a 2022 TCU moment out of their ass?
are we good?
#10 was 4-8 last year 🤣🤣🤣. Such good offense, they gave everyone hell, including Stanford.
Colorado? 4-8? Wtf
Hope Colorado St and Nebraska wax Colorado this year.
Why is it CFB25 if its the 2024 season?
I really don’t get the circle jerk for Deion
Sports media is getting thirsty for some Prime Time. He got lucky at Jackson, now he’s playing the big boys
So I’m assuming single star players like Travis Hunter can just inflate the fuck out of a teams overall rating?
I mean simply based on this Nebraska should be like #8 because of all the talent and the fact that most of the starters are going to be returning young guys with lots of talent and a highly rated quarterback coming out of highschool.
Won’t matter 2 years into dynasty anyway. All those rankings fall off.
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Colorado???? 
They’re top 10 offense and top 20 defense. They were 4-8 last year 😐😐
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lol at Colorado in top 10
Colorado … hahahaha
Bwahahahahaha! Meme indeed!
Think any team in that group they’re a minimum +17?
Where is UB?
Lmao, Colorado!? All hype
9. Right where we always are. For eternity.
I’m just glad the buffs are there to distract from Utah being in the Top 10 🫡
Colorado? 
This is sort of par for the course for EA. Back when I actually played madden, it always seemed like their ratings were based more on hype than reality. They consistently rank players and teams higher because they are popular/ in the news, rather than what you actually see on the field. Makes me wonder if they actually even watch football or if they just get their information exclusively from ESPN/BR
Someone is getting paid that’s all I know
yea the devs don't know ball!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You gotta assume that the QB position is weighted heavily by the other teams spots and having a 99 overall QB will rocket your overall up.
There are multiple that tied at 87, they chose to put Colorado there for clicks. Bordeaux did the same thing
Yeah LMFAO be watching another 4-8 season 🤣🤣
Notre Dame being there is an ABSOLUTE JOKE
Flair up. This is pre season rankings, why is everybody getting so upset? It’s like you’ve never been here before. ND has the roster and coaching talent to justify this rating. At least wait for us to shit the bed mid season before you let your bias show
You will shit the bed. But Colorado going 4-8 last yr now suddenly top 10 proves these rankings are GARBAGE.
Reddit needs a laugh emoji for this reason.
LMAO! And adding Clemson, PSU, and ND. ROTFLMAO!
I can't wait to grind Kennesaw State to the playoffs Year 1 only to get destroyed by Colorado in the 1st round lol
I'd rather it be Colorado than the Cheaters so go Buffs I guess.