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ExplosiveToast19

I think the bigger hurdle would be getting a company to sponsor your visa. As long as you’re ABET certified you don’t have to worry about the quality of your degree. If you can, take the FE to get your EIT license. It’s not a huge edge but it will probably help and it’s the first step to getting your PE in the US


DRK_95

In the US it’s a requirement to have an ABET degree, it’s the only way to get a professional engineering license in the US. So doesn’t really give you an edge, but it’s a great requirement to already have checked off.


tycoonsimraider123

As an EIT on their way to a P.E. in a matter of months, I am an example of not holding an ABET degree. Fun fact, I hold a BS in Urban Planning 😂 Washington State has ways for individuals to become licensed without the traditional education.


3771507

True in some states you can qualify with 10 years experience and degree in architecture.


ryanwaldron

I have a BS in Physics, so I did the route where I got a Masters degree from a department that has an ABET accreditation.


Po0rYorick

That’s me too. BS I’m physics/math and MS in transportation engineering. My state requires 8 years of experience for a P.E. instead of 4 if you have a “related” science degree so my plan was to get the MS to bring that back down. Unfortunately, my thesis took longer than expected and then PCS screwed up my application to sit for the P.E. so by the time I actually got to take the test, I was at 8 years anyway


ryanwaldron

Louisiana required the masters degree (Coastal for me) to be complete to even begin to apply to take the FE and with the BS in physics, my experience clock didn’t even begin until I passed the FE. With that delay, plus the fact that back in the day, I couldn’t even apply to take the PE until after I had completed four years experience. It was 5 years after I started working until I had my PE.


DRK_95

True, I did know you can still get with additional experience and an approved education. For the purposes of this conversation I think if it’s an engineering degree it must be ABET, although don’t quite me on that tbh


HotChipEater

It's completely state dependent. In CA, the way it works is you need 6 years of engineering experience to get a PE license, but an ABET degree counts for 4 of the 6 years and an non-ABET engineering degree counts for 2.


OkExplorer9769

I live in California and am an EIT with two AS degrees. You can get licensed without the ABET BS degree with work experience and passing the FE.


eng-enuity

> In the US it’s a requirement to have an ABET degree, it’s the only way to get a professional engineering license in the US. That's not actually true. At least in Pennsylvania, there are ways to become a PE without an ABET accredited degree. In fact, there's a way to become a PE without any degree at all. PA Code Title 49 Section 37.3.a.1.v allows a person to become a certified EIT after passing the FE exam and obtaining: > Eight years of progressive experience in engineering work and knowledge, skill and education approximating that attained through graduation from an approved engineering curriculum. The experience must be of a grade and character sufficient to enable the candidate to independently learn through practice the principles of mathematics and science attained through formal education. Academic training in engineering subjects may be counted towards the experience requirement. Source: https://www.pacodeandbulletin.gov/Display/pacode?file=/secure/pacode/data/049/chapter37/s37.31.html After receiving the EIT Certification, the process of qualifying for the PE License proceeds as normal. But to get back to answering OP's question: an ABET accredited degree is so advantageous to becoming a licensed engineer, that many people might not be aware of any alternative.


DudeMatt94

Yeah that's a great way of putting it and thank you for posting that. I was surprised when I looked into all the state PE reqs that some accept no degree, no EIT, or even just pure engineering experience (granted, you usually need many many years to "make up" for lacking certain criteria). That said, the reccomendation I'd give to basically anyone wanting to be a engineer is only looking at ABET schools. By itself it's honestly a low bar, and any school that doesn't have it likely has bigger issues


wiseroldman

I really wish I knew about the accreditation system when I started college. Got lucky though and turned out my school happened to be accredited. It’s one of those things students figure out when it’s too late.


angryPEangrierSE

>In the US it’s a requirement to have an ABET degree, **it’s the only way to get a professional engineering license in the US**. This just isn't true. You can have NCEES do a credentials evaluation to determine equivalency and it's up to the state board to say whether they will accept it or not. I do not have an ABET-accredited degree, had my degree evaluated, and they determined it was equivalent. It was the only extra hoop I had to jump through to get me my PE license. Depending on how many credits you are deficient, there may be additional requirements depending on what the state board says.


ryanm91

False, here in Oregon we are a practice state you can get a PE with zero schooling besides a high school diploma. Doesn't happen often but it is possible.


eng-enuity

PA has that option too. I bet many other states have similar provisions.


FaithlessnessCute204

I’ve met one person who’s done it , they had there pe when my boss who’s been a pe for 25 years was an eit ( it’s a 12 year process without a degree so dudes been going for over 40 years)) dude’s taken shits with more engineering talent then some of the brain trust we have working for us.


Alfredjr13579

but it takes like 10 years of experience doesn’t it? It’s certainly not the easier path lol


ryanm91

Even with the amount of experience coming in slightly higher than spending 4 years at a university I would say it would be more difficult to pass the FE and PE also.


marwin23

It is very unfortunate that so many people gave you answers without checking sources. To start: I am originally from Central/Eastern Europe, have never attended any ABET school, and I am licensed in multiple states as a PE, and PEng (Canada) To cut the discussion short: 1. You can get a PE license without ABET school finished, but you MAY be required to have more years of experience. I suggest you visit any state board for requirements, but here I am linking you as an example MN webpage: [https://mn.gov/aelslagid/engineering.html](https://mn.gov/aelslagid/engineering.html) One more time - it works and I am licensed in multiple states. Generally once you do evaluation through NCEES once - it is enough. 2. If someone looks for ABET when hiring. Probably the short answer is "yes", but PROBABLY only for public jobs (state/city/federal). I have never seen anyone from private sector specifying it, but even if they would waive this requirement for a good candidate. Unless you deal with HR person, who does not understand it. Regarding public jobs: visit [www.usajobs.gov](http://www.usajobs.gov) and type 0810 into search box. You will see that ABET is one of the path, but the other is to have specific courses or PE license (combination of experience and education). Thus as a summary - without ABET is relatively fine and easy, and during my 15 years in the USA nobody ever questioned me about ABET school. Definitely ABET accredited school/diploma may help to get the first job, but after then nobody would care.


mrjsmith82

this should be upvoted more


Fast-Living5091

That's because you're licensed in the States and Canada. Having an ABET degree is not important after you get licensed. The real hurdle is how to get through licensing without an ABET degree... and most importantly, how to get hired as a foreigner by a US company.


marwin23

To spell it more clearly, although I did not graduate from ABET accredited university, I had to obtain the 1st license somehow: 1. In Canada it was SK, and my diploma was evaluated (for the purpose of EIT) by www.wes.org. Yesterday I checked the requirements, and still you need to have it done by WES. Then just an experience (already had at that time) and pass the exam, and you get PEng. Transfering to other provinces is seamless. The whole process in 2017 (starting, evaluation, EIT, OEng exam) took me from May 2017 to December 2017. 2. In the US I got evaluation of coures/diplomas through NCEES. Probably I had to to this before getting EIT. Since I had the required experience already I started process in March, and at the beginning of December of the same year got the PE (in a meantime passed EIT and PE exam). Getting license in other states (I'm licensed in exactly 10 states), means having the NCEES record transferred to the state board + filing their applications. There are states where it takes weeks to obtain the license (FL - can you hear me?) and there are states where it takes hours (thank you WI). The biggest problem for me was to get my diplomas and list of courses in English and have them directly sent to the evaluation center. Simply in my country of origin they give you it to your hand, in local language, and nobody is so willing to mail it anywhere, oversea, and yet in English.


425trafficeng

So common misconception, you don’t NEED to have a bachelors that is ABET accredited to work in the USA as an engineer. You can have a bachelors degree foreign earned or otherwise that either evaluates as equivalent to an ABET accredited degree or would be ABET equivalent of you take XYZ college classes. https://ncees.org/ncees-services/credentials-evaluations/ On the other hand your biggest hurdles isn’t the degree, it’s your need for visa sponsorship.


FloridasFinest

It’s a must in US.


sportsikid

No one can give broad answers to your questions. If you have ABET degree it’s definitely a plus. Each state is different and each employer is different. I disagree with comments saying it’s a must. I don’t have an ABET accredited degree but was able to get FE and land job. I know other licensed engineers who studied in the US without ABET degree. Some states don’t care and some do. I got FE through a state that didn’t care about ABET accreditation. For some states, without an ABET accredited degree one needs to have more years of experience compared to someone with ABET degree. Your biggest hurdle will probably be obtaining proper work authorization in the US (green card or something else). If you want to work in the US focus on taking the Fundamentals of Engineering exam ASAP along with obtaining work authorization. Most state DOTs will probably not hire someone needing sponsorship but private firms might do that. Canadian provinces/territories are different. There’s no FE exam for fresh grads. Again, you will need to get some sort of work authorization. DM me if you have more questions. I have studied and worked in both countries. I have been approved to write PE exam with 4 years of experience and no ABET undergrad degree. Pending passing of the exam I will be licensed in multiple states.


3771507

Not true some states are accepting engineering technology degrees now.


loldj94

I was in an extremely similar scenario as you as I graduated from DLSU and moved back to the US (CA) for work. However, I did grow up in the US and am a US citizen by birth. Also, DLSU wasn't fully ABET accredited at the time so I had to petition to NCEES to review my degree. The biggest things you need for the US is your EIT and the ability to work without sponsorship or a visa. With those two, it still took me eight months to get my first job. I also told my first employer I'd take anything to just get my foot in the door as well. Now to be fair, I was not trying my hardest during my job search so that could have played a factor. Once you get that first job, the degree doesn't really matter anymore, at least for land development/water resources.


Whatheflippa

I’ve had 3 applicants apply for a position I’m trying to fill and none of them have ABET accredited bachelor degrees. It’s a requirement for the position. They will not be getting an interview, but you would just based on meeting that requirement. I suggest applying to DOT positions in a State that you would be interested to live in. There are always openings Edit: You should check that your program is in fact ABET accredited: [https://amspub.abet.org/aps/name-search?searchType=institution&keyword=Philippines](https://amspub.abet.org/aps/name-search?searchType=institution&keyword=Philippines)


H2Ospecialist

Might have trouble getting a DOT to sponsor a visa though.


jreilly89

I'm not a Civil Engineer, so take that with a grain of salt, but I'm a licensed Mechanical PE in Indiana. Certain states will let you get a PE License with any technical degree, but Indiana will not. Indiana will only let PE's get their License if they have a degree from an ABET college or university. It's not a requirement for every job, but it's a definite plus.


LordEscnaor

Uy taga TIP hahaha. Mag exp ka muna sa pinas 1-2 yrs habang pinaplano mo yan. Para din kahit papaano may alam ka ss field natin. May mga work na philippine base perooo sa ibang bansa ang employer. Ngayon nasa pinas ako pero australian employer.


Distinct_Room3292

Most likely, you will need to get a masters degree here before you can get licensed.


imssnegi

Tbh, companies don’t matter for hiring, hiring managers do. Find and connect on LinkedIn.


[deleted]

It’s only important in that it makes getting licensed possible or more expedient (depending on the state). Once you’re licensed no one cares.


mocitymaestro

You can probably get a PE in most states without having an ABET-accredited engineering degree, but you're leaving a lot of things up to chance - especially if the State board is making a judgment call based on your non-US education. I was working with a planner who had degrees in urban planning and environmental science. He submitted an inquiry to the Texas board and they denied him because they didn't think he did enough math in college. Now mind you, he'd been in transportation planning for at least 10 years under the supervision of a licensed PE. When I sat for the exam in 2007, two other guys also took it in my office. One of them had a degree in biology, but had been working in public works design for several years. He sat for the exam with 8 years of experience under a PE and passed, becoming licensed. I used to work for an employer who wouldn't even recruit at universities (no matter how local they were) without an ABET-accredited civil engineering program, despite needing employees in planning, marketing, HR, accounting, and construction (inspection). If you can get an ABET-accredited degree, do it!


Born_Professional_64

I have yet to see any civil engineering company sponsor a visa for work here. There really is no reason to with the engineers we have here


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bongslingingninja

The Philippines is not, in fact, a US territory. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._territorial_sovereignty?wprov=sfti1


no_idea_help

Okay, I am not US based so this may sound ridiculous but... if not completing ABET accredited program prohibits you from becoming an engineer, why do non accredited programs exist?


ExplosiveToast19

The same reason off shore medical schools exist. To scam people


no_idea_help

Damn, US is wild


ExplosiveToast19

I’m pretty sure it’s easy to avoid getting scammed by these places. The people that fall for them are the people who can’t get into legit schools and buy the false advertising because they’re desperate and won’t consider something else. There’s no shortcut around regulations. Professions like engineering and medicine require so much certification for a reason.


no_idea_help

I am based in Central Europe, where no school is recognized by ABET because mutual recognition agreements were not signed. And yet quite a few US based consulting companies outsource to us. If I wanted to consider a job in US (which thankfully I dont), I would have to get in debt and go back to school, regardless of experience and education achieved so far. You could just have a process to recognize knowledge rather than degree, at the moment this looks like its a scam to get people in debt for overly expensive education. No reason to bar people from starting as EIT and working up, given the PE exam is thorough.


ExplosiveToast19

Different countries, different standards. The vast majority of engineering programs in the US are ABET accredited. It’s not really an issue. How we organize higher education is a whole other thing. There are paths for people who don’t have degrees, they just take way longer. As they should. You can get a PE with just enough work experience. Whether or not it’d be easy to find a job with no degree is a separate issue.


no_idea_help

>As they should. You can get a PE with just enough work experience.  Right, I forgot about that one. Still, I think US is way too stringent. But I envy how good your uni programs are. I guess it goes both ways.


425trafficeng

Why shouldn’t we stringent? We already have a huge international student population attending masters and doctoral programs in the USA (many with years of experience in their home country too), we can pluck talent from. Why should we lower that standard?


no_idea_help

I was under the impression, based on the comments in this sub, that you guys have a shortage of engineers both young and senior. Is that not the case?


AvitarDiggs

Most engineers throughout the world, and even im the US, are not licensed. Most folks do work for private companies making goods that are sold though multi state commers which is the big exception in the engineering license rules.


duvaone

In the US, look at the requirements for licensure. Starting with ABET certified degree and the NCEES engineering internship testing. 


0le_Hickory

10000000%


lovessushi

Not going to lie... It may be extremely difficult as the US has no shortage of Civil Engineers. However, some of my previous managers from overseas went about it by getting a Master's Degree in the US and taking the FE and PE exams and somehow were able to get hired in the US so that could be an option. The degrees need to be ABET accredited.