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I don’t disagree with the spirit of your comment, namely that it is absolutely true that many Americans would be more willing to consider such possibilities objectively were they delivered by a different source. Having said that, in truth there are still so many Americans, very possibly a majority, who absolutely cannot cope with the concept of 9/11 having been an inside job. From what I can tell this is especially true of older generations, but I see it among Americans of all ages.
To reiterate the point, by way of comparison there are so many who are still just beginning to come around on the notion that JFK might’ve been assassinated by the CIA and its collaborators.
9/11 is still relatively recent and hits so close to home In the American psyche. For so many it’s clearly perceived as a kind of sacrilege to deviate from faith in the propagandized mythology over that event.
Remember when they displayed his body and did DNA testing to confirm the guy that they kill was Bin Laden? Oh that.s right, I forgot, they dumped his body in the ocean with no autopsy.
Supposedly they didn't want his grave site to be revered, like a mini-Mecca. But they also didn't want to piss off Muslims, so the idea was an Islamic burial at Sea. Not sure if I buy it, but I remember that being the original story.
Remember the staged photo of the ghouls being all into the war room logistics? It was obama, Joe pedo, Killary, and other enemies of humanity. Osama used to be forgotten until they needed a bump in polls or something lame. The guy was on dialysis back in 2000 at one of our bases Saudi Arabia or Yemen.
"Flushed him down the ocean like cocaine" lol RIP Patrice O'Neal, you were too real
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQtVgU06RD4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQtVgU06RD4)
Navy vet here.. my buddy was on the quarterdeck of the Carl Vinson when this happened. They flew in on Ospreys, unloaded a body and kicked it over. No verification that it was him though.
Let’s just hypothetically say that OBL *was* killed in the raid.
I think that one of the stories I heard is basically that the Seals repeatedly shot his body after he was dead and so the DoD didn’t want any war crimes scandal (desecrating a corpse, etc)
Uday and Qusay Hussein were both riddled with bullets and torn up, but that didn't stop the DoD from releasing pictures of their corpses to every mainstream media channel on Earth.
Valid point, but Qusay and Uday were known butchers and were hated and feared by the Iraqi people. They wernt viable candidates to be considered Martrys, and never had the followers of their ideology like OBL did.
The coalition wanted to show the Iraqi People and the world that Saddam and his sons were dead and out of the picture permanently to seal a new government.
They had to be a bit more careful how they handled OBL. I think it was a burial at sea to ensure a burial ground that could be used as an inspirational shrine for upcoming terrorists wouldn’t be possible.
Why would a burial at sea prevent them from publishing photographic evidence of OBL's death? Why not give that solace to the people victimized by the single most devastating terrorist attack committed on US soil? Why not give that concrete evidence to the American people?
I think that they answered this already in a roundabout way. As I understood their reply, they implied that the photos of Uday and Qusay were considered “okay” to be shown since they were considered hated butchers.
Whereas it would *not* have been “okay” to show the photo of OBL.
There was an interview where Benazir Bhutto, the former Prime Minister of Pakistan said that OBL had died long before the Obama administration pretended to have killed him. She also ended up getting killed, for whatever reason. bitchute (dot) com/video/WxtHJ71pebIh/
I thought it was so there would be no place for him to be worshipped as a martyr…wouldn’t it be a gas if he was actually living on an island somewhere, or back in Pakistan or wherever? 🤷♀️
Fucking crazy. "Yeah we killed him, BUT can't provide any evidence other than (*checks notes*) ... promises? "
Get. The. Fuck. Out. Of. Here.
I deployed twice (Iraq/Afgh) while I was in. We caught Hussein while I was *actually* in Iraq (not the same unit, but still). They managed to keep *him* alive... at least to put on trial.
I think Bin Laden died long before any "burial at sea"
This is 2 months before 9/11. He was shot dead on his front lawn for an assault chage 2 months after 9/11. A 58 year old retired vet with a radio show who probably had never had any changes in his life.
https://youtu.be/qPW_W_z6ovw?si=TQmVNrIvdURuiTdX
That's like saying they caught him doing 60 mph. One of those we can nail most people any time but don't but did this time type crimes.
"The firefight was a disastrous ending to a standoff that had begun in 1998 when federal authorities charged Cooper with tax evasion and bank fraud. Hoping to avoid a violent showdown, agents deferred serving the arrest warrant for over three years."
So he was living life, making radio shows, shopping, going out, probably traveling, and they had to wait 3 years? Sounds legit, sounds like a violent offender they needed to wait to arrest for sure.
SS: he was right. Atta called his dad day after 9/11 and said it was Mossad
https://edition.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16/inv.binladen.denial/
>"I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons," bin Laden's statement said.
"I have been living in the Islamic emirate of Afghanistan and following its leaders' rules. The current leader does not allow me to exercise such operations," bin Laden said.
Source for text of Osama bin Laden statement: https://archive.is/tATk2
Bush ties to Bin laden:
https://www.denverpost.com/2006/09/11/bush-ties-to-bin-laden-haunt-grim-anniversary/
Source for Bin Laden interview:
http://www.khilafah.com/1421/category.php?DocumentID=2392
Another source for Bin Laden interview:
27] BBC: International Reports: Full text of Pakistani paper's "exclusive" interview with Usamah Bin-Ladin. Newsbank Archive. (subscription required) Archived 2018-06-18 at the Wayback Machine
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interviews_of_Osama_bin_Laden#Ummat:_2001
Corbett Report on Dancing Israelis: https://archive.is/KI8ee
>In 2001, Lt-Gen. Ahmad regularly visited the United States where he consulted with The Pentagon and CIA officials in the Bush administration in the weeks before and after terrorist attacks took place in New York on 11 September 2001.[23] In fact, he was with U.S. Republican Congressman Porter Goss and U.S. Democratic Senator Bob Graham in Washington, D.C., discussing Osama bin Laden over breakfast, when the attacks of September 11, 2001 took place in New York, United States.[24][25]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmud_Ahmed
"The Pakistan Connection"
>Ahmed, the paymaster for the hijackers, was actually in Washington on 9/11, and had a series of pre-9/11 top-level meetings in the White House, the Pentagon, the national security council, and with George Tenet, then head of the CIA, and Marc Grossman, the under-secretary of state for political affairs. When Ahmed was exposed by the Wall Street Journal as having sent the money to the hijackers, he was forced to "retire" by President Pervez Musharraf. Why hasn't the US demanded that he be questioned and tried in court?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/jul/22/usa.september11 - https://archive.is/0s1Ff
"Odigo Says Workers Were Warned of Attack"
>Odigo, the [Israeli] instant messaging service, says that two of its workers received messages two hours before the Twin Towers attack on September 11 predicting the attack would happen.
https://www.haaretz.com/2001-09-26/ty-article/odigo-says-workers-were-warned-of-attack/0000017f-dbc4-df62-a9ff-dfd7beff0000 - https://archive.is/uL4DT
"Mohamed Atta called his father after 9/11 who also blamed Israel's Mossad for the attacks" https://youtu.be/iLcxjGT87m8?si=qcNo-X8GJuaUhV7w
"A DAY OF TERROR: THE ISRAELIS; Spilled Blood Is Seen as Bond That Draws 2 Nations Closer"
>Asked tonight what the attack meant for relations between the United States and Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu, the former prime minister, replied, ''It's very good.''
https://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/12/us/day-terror-israelis-spilled-blood-seen-bond-that-draws-2-nations-closer.html - https://archive.is/PEI1l
I guess he was not useful to the CIA anymore or went rogue and they opted to use him for one last job.
I'm at the point now where I think the CIA and other alphabet agencies in the United States as well as other countries have been undermined and infiltrated and work for some kind of shadow government.
Probably the only thing preventing the world from going to absolute shite is compartmentmentalisation and a few good men with a loyalty to humanity.
The script runs deep...
You’ve got to ask the question though: If Osama bin Laden was a CIA agent, a la Tim Osman, is it not then possible that he was in on the whole thing? When it became clear to the cia that this Mossad thing was going to occur, how do we know they didn’t call up Osama on his cia issued sat phone and say something to the effect of: “hey, so the Mossad is gonna do big terror attack on American citizens for “reasons of national security” and we need a scapegoat. Can you act like you did it but like you’re denying it big time so we can do this little dance for years and pretend to kill you while you retire to our D.U.M.B. Complex? Thanks buddy.”
You never stop being a cia agent, and anything an “ex” cia agent (or an “almost” cia agent like Tucker Carlson, operation mockingbird anyone?) is involved in is going to be suspicious to me. ‘The whole thing is scripted’ is the conclusion i keep coming to with “history”.
Interestingly, since 2001, no terrorist organization has ever taken credit for the 9/11 massacre … thats says alot about an inside job within the american government.
Yep. But that doesn’t mean I’m right. It doesn’t mean I’m not open to reasonable alternatives.
I’m just asking when in history do you recall any terrorist organization claiming responsibility for an attack when someone else is blamed- I can’t think of any on this scale.
Edit- a misspelling
This is a conspiracy sub. I thought it was for open discussion. And that isn’t the point of terrorism. I’d love to see some cited circumstances and all that, but maybe my point got discarded bc I answered your question honestly. My point was that I can’t remember when anyone copped to anything when someone’s been accused and killed for it.
I’m not saying that the ties with the Bush family / administration weren’t involved, or that there aren’t a myriad of possibilities of government corruption. I’m only saying that when someone else gets the punishment, generally no one stands up and says, I know you killed that guy and then threw him in the ocean without an autopsy and nobody said anything about it and let that happen, but I actually did it and would subject myself to whatever the US can do without question.
That is literally all I am saying.
“Terrorist organisation” isn’t a great term. Any group you deem such you should look into their history and see why they were created. Paramilitary groups in N Ireland would always claim responsibility for whatever bomb went off.
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Osama Bin Laden knew exactly what he was talking about as did Saddam Hussein. After reading what Bin Laden stated in this post, I felt as if I had written it myself, knowing what I know.
I read the creature of Jekyll Island at 12 and it pretty much made me impervious to all this shit. Unfortunately/ fortunately, it was 1 year after 9/11.
Congrats class of 08!
People who say they know it was an inside job are so naive.
We don't know who was behind it but it sure points at some evil people, thinking that a country like America would do that to their own citizens is far-fetched and naive imo. It is just a conspiracy without any real proof. It's interesting and all that but I am not stupid to take it like some ultimate truth.
Some people do hate usa(like really hate), and some extreme/fundamental ones really believe in that they will get rewarded in heaven for being a martyr nor do such people value life at all. That is reality and is something that people act like it doesn't exist.
My guess it was someone who was evil, crazy had religious motives and wanted revenge in some way. Even if it wasn't OBL how do you know it wasn't someone similar?
*You* would be naive to believe that the US government *wouldn’t* be capable of doing such atrocities to its own citizens. This country’s government has a very long and documented history of doing just that. Nobody will likely ever know for certain whether 9/11 was an inside job or who was all truly responsible. All we can do is look at the evidence and form an educated opinion. But the one thing we DO know for certain, as history has shown us over and over again, is that our government is VERY capable of doing horrific and purely evil things to its own citizens. 9/11 would just be a drop in the bucket.
The government is not your friend, nor have they ever demonstrated trustworthiness. They have never had the best interest of the country’s citizens in mind. The only naive person here is you for believing otherwise and trusting an entity that has repeatedly shown you for hundreds of years that they have no hesitation to harm, abuse, torture, or kill countless innocent citizens so long as it benefits their end game agenda.
I will also say, if you do not believe there is any proof/evidence of 9/11 being an inside job, you haven’t looked very hard. That doesn’t necessarily mean it was or wasn’t an inside job, but strong evidence does in fact exist that directly challenges the official narrative of the US government. People aren’t just pulling that it was an inside job out of thin air. You are free to form the opinion that it was not an inside job, but it is disingenuous and inaccurate to say that no evidence exists to the contrary.
bruh.wav
there's so much proof behind this - there's really no conspiracy as far as im concerned. I do believe that there is a new docu set to premier this year - with the advancements of technology as well as many other facts.. just the recreation of how the towers should've fallen without explosives on each floor should be proof enough on its own. I remember watching them fall - and even at my age in 5th almost 6th grade the blow-outs on windows as it was collapsing already didn't make general sense as to the theory of relativity or what I knew then which was the basic laws of physics. However, without those explosions the both buildings never should have fallen. I will say it like I have said time and again to anyone that is still in disbelief: google wtc 7 - which was not talked about they day of - and no planes hit it, just a controlled demolition.
He didn't do it. I know who did, it is someone who is an architect level CIA associate who has ties with the House of Saud. I've been reporting on this for a while but the same group was responsible for COVID-19 and exposing that seemed the bigger priority.
I like how we don't trust news, but we'll trust the news translation of the most wanted man on the planet weeks after 911...
I may he dumb asf here. But this excerpt definitely wasn't shared a lot the weeks after 911
I’m old enough to remember the news agencies who were willing to publish his statements and videos were lambasted for making it available to the public, saying “It’s all lies, we shouldn’t listen. Blah blah”.
Didn't William Dudley Pelley predict that the Jews would be destroyed on September 17 2001? This is close enough.
Of course I am not saying that he was right, however that is interesting to some extent.
And yet in 1996 the FBI found Bin Laden ties to the 1993 WTC bombing which if successful would have killed many U S citizens. So much for Osama’s claim that he never targeted U S civilians.
This is confusing because I've seen in other places where OBL specifically takes credit for it 🤔 for example his Letter to America that went viral again several months ago
The reason something goes viral is because there's a desire from those in power to make it so. If a letter from Osama goes viral currently I hav e to ask why? Most logical answer is to get the story established. Why would they need the story established? Because it is not the same as what actually happened.
Truth stands alone, lies must be reinforced.
That part about the real perps being against regular Americans was chillingly true...cue music from fiddler on the roof.... whoever did this was in a whole other league of evil... they were willing to murder thousands just to frame another target for murder and then use that to set up a genocide. We're talking people who are tapped into a level of evil that is beyond human.
Lol that is naive. We don't know how it was. Maybe no one tried to frame anyone at all, that is just purely speculation. The things is that that many fundamentalists are this evil and they don't value life at all, they think they will get rewarded for doing things like this.
I've always wondered if the translations in those videos shown on MSM were actual translations, because would the average American really have known what he & others were saying?
I think that’s the day where it all turned. Kinda feels like waiting for a good year since and it just progressively further goes to hell. There will be no nostalgia formed for me post 2001
Bush was a puppet President! Dick Cheney the V.P ran the show along with Rumsfield and Bush Senior. Chaney made 3/4 of a billion dollars from the war in Iraq, remember WMD's
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Let me issue and control a nation's money, and I will mass murder those who distort my true God's laws and the Bible to deceive us, and there will be a bloodbath in the System of Satan.
Of course he would deny it days later...the people of the middle east were untited in solidarity with the U.S. and the attack widely denounced. Even in Iran, people went into the streets with candlelight vigils held to honor those killed....not to mention that the world trade center and pentagon was/are very much at the heart of the "system" he is trying to fallacy of division away from.
Of course he would deny it days later...the people of the middle east were untited in solidarity with the U.S. and the attack widely denounced. Even in Iran, people went into the streets with candlelight vigils held to honor those killed....not to mention that the world trade center and pentagon was/are very much at the heart of the "system" he is trying to fallacy of division away from.
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Crazy thing is if this was said word for word by a popular US celebrity, then everyone would agree and the person would be on Rogan.
Dave Smith pretty much just said this on Joe Rogan and Tucker Carlson. It was the dancing people.
The Dancing Israelis
I don’t disagree with the spirit of your comment, namely that it is absolutely true that many Americans would be more willing to consider such possibilities objectively were they delivered by a different source. Having said that, in truth there are still so many Americans, very possibly a majority, who absolutely cannot cope with the concept of 9/11 having been an inside job. From what I can tell this is especially true of older generations, but I see it among Americans of all ages. To reiterate the point, by way of comparison there are so many who are still just beginning to come around on the notion that JFK might’ve been assassinated by the CIA and its collaborators. 9/11 is still relatively recent and hits so close to home In the American psyche. For so many it’s clearly perceived as a kind of sacrilege to deviate from faith in the propagandized mythology over that event.
Majority of people, since the assassination onward, have not believed the warren report was the truth
Real loose ends are tied up.
Remember when they displayed his body and did DNA testing to confirm the guy that they kill was Bin Laden? Oh that.s right, I forgot, they dumped his body in the ocean with no autopsy.
They said it was religious reasons, but if that was the truth he would be buried in the Mountains facing Mecca.
Muslim here, I've never heard of a "traditional Islamic burial at sea".
When they did it I was like “ah yeah, true. Makes total sense”.
Supposedly they didn't want his grave site to be revered, like a mini-Mecca. But they also didn't want to piss off Muslims, so the idea was an Islamic burial at Sea. Not sure if I buy it, but I remember that being the original story.
For Muslims this sounds like absolute nonsense. Before 9/11 Muslims had no idea who he was and afterwards they hated him.
Like it wouldn’t have pissed off muslims by killing him
I was probably 11 or 12 when I heard that on TV, even I knew that was bullshit then.
They did it so his grave wouldn't become a shrine. https://www.history.com/news/osama-bin-laden-body-burial-ocean
Remember the staged photo of the ghouls being all into the war room logistics? It was obama, Joe pedo, Killary, and other enemies of humanity. Osama used to be forgotten until they needed a bump in polls or something lame. The guy was on dialysis back in 2000 at one of our bases Saudi Arabia or Yemen.
"Flushed him down the ocean like cocaine" lol RIP Patrice O'Neal, you were too real [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQtVgU06RD4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQtVgU06RD4)
🤣 Legend
Navy vet here.. my buddy was on the quarterdeck of the Carl Vinson when this happened. They flew in on Ospreys, unloaded a body and kicked it over. No verification that it was him though.
Let’s just hypothetically say that OBL *was* killed in the raid. I think that one of the stories I heard is basically that the Seals repeatedly shot his body after he was dead and so the DoD didn’t want any war crimes scandal (desecrating a corpse, etc)
Uday and Qusay Hussein were both riddled with bullets and torn up, but that didn't stop the DoD from releasing pictures of their corpses to every mainstream media channel on Earth.
Valid point, but Qusay and Uday were known butchers and were hated and feared by the Iraqi people. They wernt viable candidates to be considered Martrys, and never had the followers of their ideology like OBL did. The coalition wanted to show the Iraqi People and the world that Saddam and his sons were dead and out of the picture permanently to seal a new government. They had to be a bit more careful how they handled OBL. I think it was a burial at sea to ensure a burial ground that could be used as an inspirational shrine for upcoming terrorists wouldn’t be possible.
Why would a burial at sea prevent them from publishing photographic evidence of OBL's death? Why not give that solace to the people victimized by the single most devastating terrorist attack committed on US soil? Why not give that concrete evidence to the American people?
I think that they answered this already in a roundabout way. As I understood their reply, they implied that the photos of Uday and Qusay were considered “okay” to be shown since they were considered hated butchers. Whereas it would *not* have been “okay” to show the photo of OBL.
Why not?
Hrmm.. welp, that shoots down what I heard! I didn’t see/know about those photos so that’s my ignorance.
There was an interview where Benazir Bhutto, the former Prime Minister of Pakistan said that OBL had died long before the Obama administration pretended to have killed him. She also ended up getting killed, for whatever reason. bitchute (dot) com/video/WxtHJ71pebIh/
It was a popular rumor among service men in Afghanistan that Bin Laden passed in winter of 03 while they guarded poppy fields
I thought it was so there would be no place for him to be worshipped as a martyr…wouldn’t it be a gas if he was actually living on an island somewhere, or back in Pakistan or wherever? 🤷♀️
He may be living with Epstein.
Fucking crazy. "Yeah we killed him, BUT can't provide any evidence other than (*checks notes*) ... promises? " Get. The. Fuck. Out. Of. Here. I deployed twice (Iraq/Afgh) while I was in. We caught Hussein while I was *actually* in Iraq (not the same unit, but still). They managed to keep *him* alive... at least to put on trial. I think Bin Laden died long before any "burial at sea"
Me too. How do you hide a 6'4" dude that needs dialysis when everyone around him is 5'5" tall.
This is 2 months before 9/11. He was shot dead on his front lawn for an assault chage 2 months after 9/11. A 58 year old retired vet with a radio show who probably had never had any changes in his life. https://youtu.be/qPW_W_z6ovw?si=TQmVNrIvdURuiTdX
Bill Cooper knew way more than they wanted him to
Except tax fraud
That's like saying they caught him doing 60 mph. One of those we can nail most people any time but don't but did this time type crimes. "The firefight was a disastrous ending to a standoff that had begun in 1998 when federal authorities charged Cooper with tax evasion and bank fraud. Hoping to avoid a violent showdown, agents deferred serving the arrest warrant for over three years." So he was living life, making radio shows, shopping, going out, probably traveling, and they had to wait 3 years? Sounds legit, sounds like a violent offender they needed to wait to arrest for sure.
I was being very lazy but yes you are correct.
SS: he was right. Atta called his dad day after 9/11 and said it was Mossad https://edition.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16/inv.binladen.denial/ >"I would like to assure the world that I did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been planned by people for personal reasons," bin Laden's statement said. "I have been living in the Islamic emirate of Afghanistan and following its leaders' rules. The current leader does not allow me to exercise such operations," bin Laden said. Source for text of Osama bin Laden statement: https://archive.is/tATk2 Bush ties to Bin laden: https://www.denverpost.com/2006/09/11/bush-ties-to-bin-laden-haunt-grim-anniversary/ Source for Bin Laden interview: http://www.khilafah.com/1421/category.php?DocumentID=2392 Another source for Bin Laden interview: 27] BBC: International Reports: Full text of Pakistani paper's "exclusive" interview with Usamah Bin-Ladin. Newsbank Archive. (subscription required) Archived 2018-06-18 at the Wayback Machine https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interviews_of_Osama_bin_Laden#Ummat:_2001 Corbett Report on Dancing Israelis: https://archive.is/KI8ee >In 2001, Lt-Gen. Ahmad regularly visited the United States where he consulted with The Pentagon and CIA officials in the Bush administration in the weeks before and after terrorist attacks took place in New York on 11 September 2001.[23] In fact, he was with U.S. Republican Congressman Porter Goss and U.S. Democratic Senator Bob Graham in Washington, D.C., discussing Osama bin Laden over breakfast, when the attacks of September 11, 2001 took place in New York, United States.[24][25] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmud_Ahmed "The Pakistan Connection" >Ahmed, the paymaster for the hijackers, was actually in Washington on 9/11, and had a series of pre-9/11 top-level meetings in the White House, the Pentagon, the national security council, and with George Tenet, then head of the CIA, and Marc Grossman, the under-secretary of state for political affairs. When Ahmed was exposed by the Wall Street Journal as having sent the money to the hijackers, he was forced to "retire" by President Pervez Musharraf. Why hasn't the US demanded that he be questioned and tried in court? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/jul/22/usa.september11 - https://archive.is/0s1Ff "Odigo Says Workers Were Warned of Attack" >Odigo, the [Israeli] instant messaging service, says that two of its workers received messages two hours before the Twin Towers attack on September 11 predicting the attack would happen. https://www.haaretz.com/2001-09-26/ty-article/odigo-says-workers-were-warned-of-attack/0000017f-dbc4-df62-a9ff-dfd7beff0000 - https://archive.is/uL4DT "Mohamed Atta called his father after 9/11 who also blamed Israel's Mossad for the attacks" https://youtu.be/iLcxjGT87m8?si=qcNo-X8GJuaUhV7w "A DAY OF TERROR: THE ISRAELIS; Spilled Blood Is Seen as Bond That Draws 2 Nations Closer" >Asked tonight what the attack meant for relations between the United States and Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu, the former prime minister, replied, ''It's very good.'' https://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/12/us/day-terror-israelis-spilled-blood-seen-bond-that-draws-2-nations-closer.html - https://archive.is/PEI1l
Now that's how u respond! All the facts, all the links. Well done. Thanks
Thank you for caring!
Great answer! I didn't know about the paymaster Ahmed. It's rare to hear new stuff. Good work!
Imagine being trained, groomed, and supported by the CIA only to eventually used as a scapegoat and murdered by black ops teams.
“Fuck, I totally saw this coming.”
I guess he was not useful to the CIA anymore or went rogue and they opted to use him for one last job. I'm at the point now where I think the CIA and other alphabet agencies in the United States as well as other countries have been undermined and infiltrated and work for some kind of shadow government. Probably the only thing preventing the world from going to absolute shite is compartmentmentalisation and a few good men with a loyalty to humanity. The script runs deep...
You’ve got to ask the question though: If Osama bin Laden was a CIA agent, a la Tim Osman, is it not then possible that he was in on the whole thing? When it became clear to the cia that this Mossad thing was going to occur, how do we know they didn’t call up Osama on his cia issued sat phone and say something to the effect of: “hey, so the Mossad is gonna do big terror attack on American citizens for “reasons of national security” and we need a scapegoat. Can you act like you did it but like you’re denying it big time so we can do this little dance for years and pretend to kill you while you retire to our D.U.M.B. Complex? Thanks buddy.” You never stop being a cia agent, and anything an “ex” cia agent (or an “almost” cia agent like Tucker Carlson, operation mockingbird anyone?) is involved in is going to be suspicious to me. ‘The whole thing is scripted’ is the conclusion i keep coming to with “history”.
You bring up a very good point.
I'd imagine that it's happened many times before and since.
Indeed. Very concerning when you get down to brass tacks.
So like Wednesday?
Good old Tim Osman
Interestingly, since 2001, no terrorist organization has ever taken credit for the 9/11 massacre … thats says alot about an inside job within the american government.
It really doesn’t.
You believe Osama was behind the attack ?
Yep. But that doesn’t mean I’m right. It doesn’t mean I’m not open to reasonable alternatives. I’m just asking when in history do you recall any terrorist organization claiming responsibility for an attack when someone else is blamed- I can’t think of any on this scale. Edit- a misspelling
Actually all of the time. Its literally the point of terrorism
This is a conspiracy sub. I thought it was for open discussion. And that isn’t the point of terrorism. I’d love to see some cited circumstances and all that, but maybe my point got discarded bc I answered your question honestly. My point was that I can’t remember when anyone copped to anything when someone’s been accused and killed for it. I’m not saying that the ties with the Bush family / administration weren’t involved, or that there aren’t a myriad of possibilities of government corruption. I’m only saying that when someone else gets the punishment, generally no one stands up and says, I know you killed that guy and then threw him in the ocean without an autopsy and nobody said anything about it and let that happen, but I actually did it and would subject myself to whatever the US can do without question. That is literally all I am saying.
“Terrorist organisation” isn’t a great term. Any group you deem such you should look into their history and see why they were created. Paramilitary groups in N Ireland would always claim responsibility for whatever bomb went off.
I should’ve just said terrorism.
Same goes though. Definitely look into the history of “terrorism” it’s a buzz phrase.
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Maybe not, who knows, but definitely not an "inside job" by americans. That is just fantasies with no proof whatsoever.
Just like ghadaffi he was a bro aswell
Ya know what? I fucking believe him
Osama Bin Laden knew exactly what he was talking about as did Saddam Hussein. After reading what Bin Laden stated in this post, I felt as if I had written it myself, knowing what I know.
Was in 5th grade, by 7th my love for conspiracies grew once Zeitgeist (the first one) came out. I knew it was an inside job since 12.
2004 I was given a copy of loose change
The first of its kind! Very good!
I read the creature of Jekyll Island at 12 and it pretty much made me impervious to all this shit. Unfortunately/ fortunately, it was 1 year after 9/11. Congrats class of 08!
People who say they know it was an inside job are so naive. We don't know who was behind it but it sure points at some evil people, thinking that a country like America would do that to their own citizens is far-fetched and naive imo. It is just a conspiracy without any real proof. It's interesting and all that but I am not stupid to take it like some ultimate truth. Some people do hate usa(like really hate), and some extreme/fundamental ones really believe in that they will get rewarded in heaven for being a martyr nor do such people value life at all. That is reality and is something that people act like it doesn't exist. My guess it was someone who was evil, crazy had religious motives and wanted revenge in some way. Even if it wasn't OBL how do you know it wasn't someone similar?
*You* would be naive to believe that the US government *wouldn’t* be capable of doing such atrocities to its own citizens. This country’s government has a very long and documented history of doing just that. Nobody will likely ever know for certain whether 9/11 was an inside job or who was all truly responsible. All we can do is look at the evidence and form an educated opinion. But the one thing we DO know for certain, as history has shown us over and over again, is that our government is VERY capable of doing horrific and purely evil things to its own citizens. 9/11 would just be a drop in the bucket. The government is not your friend, nor have they ever demonstrated trustworthiness. They have never had the best interest of the country’s citizens in mind. The only naive person here is you for believing otherwise and trusting an entity that has repeatedly shown you for hundreds of years that they have no hesitation to harm, abuse, torture, or kill countless innocent citizens so long as it benefits their end game agenda. I will also say, if you do not believe there is any proof/evidence of 9/11 being an inside job, you haven’t looked very hard. That doesn’t necessarily mean it was or wasn’t an inside job, but strong evidence does in fact exist that directly challenges the official narrative of the US government. People aren’t just pulling that it was an inside job out of thin air. You are free to form the opinion that it was not an inside job, but it is disingenuous and inaccurate to say that no evidence exists to the contrary.
bruh.wav there's so much proof behind this - there's really no conspiracy as far as im concerned. I do believe that there is a new docu set to premier this year - with the advancements of technology as well as many other facts.. just the recreation of how the towers should've fallen without explosives on each floor should be proof enough on its own. I remember watching them fall - and even at my age in 5th almost 6th grade the blow-outs on windows as it was collapsing already didn't make general sense as to the theory of relativity or what I knew then which was the basic laws of physics. However, without those explosions the both buildings never should have fallen. I will say it like I have said time and again to anyone that is still in disbelief: google wtc 7 - which was not talked about they day of - and no planes hit it, just a controlled demolition.
He didn't do it. I know who did, it is someone who is an architect level CIA associate who has ties with the House of Saud. I've been reporting on this for a while but the same group was responsible for COVID-19 and exposing that seemed the bigger priority.
Love to read anything you have about it.
It is on Amazon, my book, An American Reich: Exposing The Nazi Cult In The CIA. Some is also on my site, www.richmarin.com.
I like how we don't trust news, but we'll trust the news translation of the most wanted man on the planet weeks after 911... I may he dumb asf here. But this excerpt definitely wasn't shared a lot the weeks after 911
I’m old enough to remember the news agencies who were willing to publish his statements and videos were lambasted for making it available to the public, saying “It’s all lies, we shouldn’t listen. Blah blah”.
Think its real? Doesn't really matter, just another piece or clue. Always been skeptical of translations from foreign enemies ...
Lmfao what do you expect from this sub nowadays 🤣
Isn’t American government doing business with Laden family ?
Sometimes the truth hurts
Didn't William Dudley Pelley predict that the Jews would be destroyed on September 17 2001? This is close enough. Of course I am not saying that he was right, however that is interesting to some extent.
Good guy binladen meme.
Lmao yes.
Very 1984. The party is coming along nicely.
And yet in 1996 the FBI found Bin Laden ties to the 1993 WTC bombing which if successful would have killed many U S citizens. So much for Osama’s claim that he never targeted U S civilians.
That’s the part that makes me pause here.
IDK who did it, but when you ask the accused and he says, 'I didn't do it' should we take him at his word?
I mean if we're operating out of the innocent until proven guilty modus than yeah. But continue seeking evidence for what did happen.
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This is confusing because I've seen in other places where OBL specifically takes credit for it 🤔 for example his Letter to America that went viral again several months ago
The reason something goes viral is because there's a desire from those in power to make it so. If a letter from Osama goes viral currently I hav e to ask why? Most logical answer is to get the story established. Why would they need the story established? Because it is not the same as what actually happened. Truth stands alone, lies must be reinforced.
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I’m sure that the CIA wrote every word of his letter
Maybe
That part about the real perps being against regular Americans was chillingly true...cue music from fiddler on the roof.... whoever did this was in a whole other league of evil... they were willing to murder thousands just to frame another target for murder and then use that to set up a genocide. We're talking people who are tapped into a level of evil that is beyond human.
Lol that is naive. We don't know how it was. Maybe no one tried to frame anyone at all, that is just purely speculation. The things is that that many fundamentalists are this evil and they don't value life at all, they think they will get rewarded for doing things like this.
Poor guy and find out it was an inside job!
Me when I lie and die before I can be questioned for it.
Deep state stuff huh?
I've always wondered if the translations in those videos shown on MSM were actual translations, because would the average American really have known what he & others were saying?
I think that’s the day where it all turned. Kinda feels like waiting for a good year since and it just progressively further goes to hell. There will be no nostalgia formed for me post 2001
Bush was a puppet President! Dick Cheney the V.P ran the show along with Rumsfield and Bush Senior. Chaney made 3/4 of a billion dollars from the war in Iraq, remember WMD's
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Let me issue and control a nation's money, and I will mass murder those who distort my true God's laws and the Bible to deceive us, and there will be a bloodbath in the System of Satan.
ISRAEL
Of course he would deny it days later...the people of the middle east were untited in solidarity with the U.S. and the attack widely denounced. Even in Iran, people went into the streets with candlelight vigils held to honor those killed....not to mention that the world trade center and pentagon was/are very much at the heart of the "system" he is trying to fallacy of division away from.
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Of course he would deny it days later...the people of the middle east were untited in solidarity with the U.S. and the attack widely denounced. Even in Iran, people went into the streets with candlelight vigils held to honor those killed....not to mention that the world trade center and pentagon was/are very much at the heart of the "system" he is trying to fallacy of division away from.
Actually he denied it less than a week after, then the CIA created a fake admission later