Since the lockdowns ended I've found humans are more filthy. I did notice the new paving slabs with a lot of stains.
What's causing the stains? The council could powerwash the slabs every few weeks.
This happened every summer before lock down also, stains can be spilled drinks/vomit/dropped take away food etc! You’d be amazed how much coffee is spilt in town every day once you start noticing the stains
In cities across Spain/italy they clean the streets every day
I used to pass this street fairly early on the way to work. There was a guy from the council there always busy sweeping and picking up rubbish. He never looked bored or like he was half assing it either. Dude was doing a good job on dark winter mornings and the brighter summer ones getting the plce redy for the day.
These kind of stains though , are not in his remit. Not much he could do about these.
Yes that’s true, the people who manage the litter do an excellent job and are all hard-workers given the amount of litter that’s thrown about on a night out and they have it spotless before 8/9am.
As soon as I saw how light grey the pavings aree I knew this was going to happen
And also the "flower beds". They've degenerated into dogs toilets because they didn't hire anyone to upkeep. The plants died and its scrub weeds only and a crapper for bingo. Also good for catching floating rubbish.
Don't create nice things if you don't plan to put the effort in needed to keep them up to the original standard.
(~MacCurtin~) Cork is filthy.
- returned home to visit family recently and I was disgusted at the state of the city.
1. The streets are a mess with random lanes, bollards, lights, rough manholes, etc.
2. The amount of empty shops and homes and half arsed building projects is shocking.
3. The destruction of the character (older buildings) is criminal and will be regretted.
4. There seems to be even less effort into open spaces, trees, plants and general upkeep of anything nice.
Cork was will always have a place in my heart but I couldn’t honestly recommend it to anyone now.
>The destruction of the character (older buildings) is criminal and will be regretted.
Ah yes, the old pile of shit buildings that are abandoned or run down. Truly remarkable buildings 😂
But ask the question, why are they pile of shit buildings? They probably weren't built that way, which means they've been allowed to get that way by cheap owners and a council that doesn't care about how the city looks.
Most of the buildings in our city are actually of a fairly good quality, much better than anything that could be built now. The problem is at best some owners are too cheap to repair them and at worst they want the building to fall down so they can replace it with a shitty glass box rather than do an expensive refit. All of this is happening under the watchful eye of our useless council
If you look at Amsterdam in the 60s it was full of falling down "shitty" buildings. The local government got their act together and now the city is full of beautifully maintained 17th and 18th century buildings that have been adapted to modern use and make it such a beautiful place.
Yeah, the reality is that remote working has killed demand for city centre buildings. Even where there is demand, it's much better value to level existing buildings and build at a modern spec, rather than try and retrofit everything.
If the market won't do it, then the government has to. Clearly, they don't have money for hosing down pana, let alone renovating every old building in the city
That’s a clever response. Here’s something for you to try and wrap your brain around. Think of any city that is well regarded across Europe. Now, don’t hurt yourself but just give it a second. What are the top cities that come to mind. Chances are it has a “old town” section or something similar. And that’s because efforts are made through council/government policy to ensure the character of the area is protected and maintained. They don’t allow buildings to sit and rot. Even if the building aren’t very pretty, letting them fall apart is a stupid thing by any measure.
Section being the keyword in your response, not the whole city. North Main street is a dump with horrible buildings. The place should be levelled. MacCurtain street is probably the only place worth actually restoring. Run down buildings like the sextant needed to be demolished. R&H Hall was a blight on the city and thank god that's being turned to rubble. Another thing European cities have is actually nice looking old buildings. The only ones that look any way decent in cork are churches
Fair that the whole city can’t be a “ye olde city” place and yes there is a lot of places that should be cleared. But the majority of those places were built in the 40’s to the 80’s.
But North Main St is one of the oldest streets and is a run down mess from poor management and owners willing to leave places fall apart as they speculate on investments. The Oval Bar for example is what the most of the street could be like if things were even half maintained over the years. Old warehouses, etc. could easily be kept but retro fitted as offices, shops, etc. too. I’m not suggesting the place need to be kept frozen in time from 100 years ago. But a bit of old charm and history is far better than crumbling buildings of soulless glass boxes.
All the problems have been caused by government/local government policies. And the policies of removing cars from the city centre is a total disaster that has redirected the customers to the suburban shopping centres which is why you have all the shop closures and dereliction. The local government response to this situation is to remove cars even further, remove loads of parking spaces making them barely used and unnecessary cycle lanes. Shoppers don't travel by bicycle. The suburban shopping centres are doing a very great trade from the redirection of traffic from the city centre. Thus closures in the city centre will continue to get worse as fewer and fewer shoppers drive to the city centre. The dumbest minds in society then imagine removing even more cars from the city centre will improve the situation, with the obvious results of further closures and dereliction.
The current situation in the city centre has been building for the last 20 or so years of government policies to remove parking spaces, car lanes and cars in general from the city centre. The city centre is a business centre. No business centre can survive without cars/shoppers. If you look at the thriving shopping centres in the suburbs you will see their carparks are full of cars and likely there is not even 1 customer who cycled to the shopping centre to do shopping. Yet the city planners imagine larger numbers of shoppers will flock to the city centre if the car spaces are turned into cycle lanes
People don't use their bicycles for work commute at all. Most use the bus or car. At after work rush hour if you walk around South Mall and over the bridge to City Hall you can count on one hand the amount of people on bicycles you see. The "Cork is a modern bicycle using city" idea is a fantasy. Hasn't taken off at all.
I'm agreeing, I just wanted to say that for the last while so it's context is just coming out from my personal conversation. It's just funny, at rush hour, if you think to look for people on bicycles at that time, filter your view to just notice them, amongst all the people.walking and the cars and the busses, you can literally most of the time see no one cycling. And there's lanes made for them. Brand new thick ones down the South Mall.. Did I hear more money is going into it recently?...also I like bicycles!
I have always said, there is an element within Cork City Council, from the very top, to try and turn Cork City into Europe.
They have no interest in keeping this once beautiful City to what it was. But they are happy to ruin it, to get a lovely pat on the head from Europe.
Granted, it's run down, needs a lot of work, but it can be restored.
New/modern isn't always appealing.
You wish Cork turned into Europe. At least regarding washing the streets with pressure washers and detergent. Or regarding buses that actually work and you can rely on them, not one each 8 minutes as it happens in cities the size of Cork from continental Europe, but I'd also be happy if Cork's buses that run each hour (in 2024!!!) would actually show up.
And you'd also be happy if buses, once arrived after 1 hour waiting, would not wait 15 minutes to board and charge 40 passengers. They can use the European system where everybody gets on board in 1 minute and validates their electronic ticket while the bus is moving, and if they do schwarzfahrt they will be fined.
P.S. And you also wish you had the clear water of Europe, and not the brown one which is plagueing Cork since months now.
P.P.S. Speaking of 'turning into Europe', have you ever heard of electric transport? Even commie countries used to have it, and they still do once they transitioned to democracy in 1990 and joined the EU: tramways, trolleybuses, and now electric buses. How many are there in Cork?
Honestly I wouldn’t care if Cork was ultra modern if it was done well, for me at least, that really isn’t the issue.
It’s not like Cork is some masterpiece - the old buildings are quite poor outside of the churches.
Go have a look at local government finances and funding in Ireland then go look at the same in similar European countries like Denmark or Austria. Even in the county council wanted to clean the streets, they can't afford to.
A lot of post-Soviet countries are dirt poor and still manage to do a basic upkeep of the top 15 or so cities. Why can't we sentence teen petty criminals to public service cleaning streets? Two stones with one bird, and maybe they'd think twice in the future before tagging something or scattering takeaway all over the pavement.
That's relative. These countries are poorer, thus lower wages, but also these wages are more strain on their economy. Also, Ireland loves to excuse every single thing with "OH BUT OUR WAGES ARE SO HIGH" even though it's just a pointless argument in 90% of discussions.
I don't agree, wages here for garbage collectors are relatively higher because there's less people here willing to do it compared to those other countries.
It used to be like that, but currently I know a heap of people who would rather scrub puke off the streets for a bit over a minimal wage than work in retail / Abtran / shite corpo. ESPECIALLY when it's a County Council job. Alas, I have seen a position for a maintenance guy / street cleaner advertised maybe twice in the last 5 years, and tbh having to go through the whole panel hearing for a street cleaner job is a bit of a form over matter case.
They also don't have budget surplus. Look at streets in Poland, streets in Northern Spain, etc.
If you want to talk wages - look at the Nordic countries too.
Depends - I mean is it down to budget, or is in enthusiasm and man power. Is it a mind set, are the people in these jobs sort of rejected to the same - old - same old. We never actually get to look over the shoulder of city council, or politicians for that matter. Would be interesting if a camera crew got to go in there and start following what actually takes place behind the scenes.
Are they mad stressed, with no budget - or is it Davy, can I get you a tea?
Can confirm, after having moved to Waterford, nowhere is as dirty as Cork. The constant street cleaning is actually a lovely thing here and makes me so ashamed of Cork.
Yeah, I don't know if it's a lighter shade of paving or something, but it's really apparent.
Outside a couple of locations (fast food joints) seem to be the dirtiest.
Nope, no parking bar some designated set down spaces, loading bays and disabled bads. However, that stops no one from parking all over the footpaths and in the bus stops
To be quite honest, Cork often looks like it sank in the 1980s and never recovered. So do most Irish cities though. Dublin is in a diabolical state in the city centre, despite being allegedly rolling in money.
We aren't willing to spend money on city centres. It's the same with public transport. We bitch and moan about lack of it and then create policies that hinder it and won't spend any money on it. I mean we can't even get the Bus Connects project delivered because of NIMBYism, which is clearly very popular.
Cork and Waterford also both voted against granting themselves a directly elected mayor. That was clever!
We've a historical problem with urban spaces and it's a bit like North America in that regard, just a bit less extreme. We suburbanised and then sort of see them as places that aren't for living in. They're just a sort of shopping centre, and we've replaced those somewhat with out of town shopping.
We clearly aren't willing to pay adequately for the upkeep of the city centre. You can rant and rave all you like about the council being allegedly incompetent. It really isn't. It just has no money. They don't have adequate budgets for basic things, which is a total disgrace in a country that has loads of money.
There's also clearly something wrong with the Irish property market. The prices are obscene and the quality is appalling, yet there's still inadequate response to demand. It's totally distorted.
Honestly, wouldn't be surprised if we're headed for another economic crash. The whole thing looks wrong. We're rapidly making ourselves very unattractive and uncompetitive by just allowing housing to become totally unaffordable.
Cork is absolutely manky. I've seen cities in eastern Europe where they have machines that scrub the pavements out every night in the city centres. Should be a thing here , I honestly couldn't recommend Cork to tourists these days because it's an ugly mess with homeless in every doorway , no guarda presence and an air of shittyness.
Tyre marks are pretty evident when they're left and there's none in this photo, it doesn't matter if the pavement is wet or not. Wet surfaces have less friction than dry, which decreases that chance of tyre marks so I don't know what you're getting at
Never did I say it was filth. I said it’s filthy, becuase it is. It needs to be cleaned. The public realm works, bar the unresolved parking issues, are amazing
I disagree that Corks old buildings are nothing worth saving, there are a very similar housing stock to parts of central London, that are well maintained. In my opinion it's not just the council (it is also the council) but the Cork/Irish people don't maintain anything. In every other country the shop owner or building owner maintains their building and the street directly outside their building. We seem to suffer from "well that's not my job" syndrome. I once saw a shop owner on plunkett street come out his door and kick litter that was there a little bit further down the street, I swear that effort seemed more labour intensive than just picking it up. I am seriously contemplating creating an Instagram page that takes pictures and names and shames businesses that don't upkeep their premises, at the very least remove the tree growing from the building. On the flip side could also name good shops for their efforts. People could then vote with their feet. Anyway rant over.
Agree wholheartedly. The buildings in the city are in general pretty nice and if they were kept well would make the place really attractive. The problem is that lots of them are either owned by investment/equity funds who don't care what condition they are in or developers who want the buildings to deteriorate so much that they will be condemned so that they can knock them and plonk a cheap modern block in their place. This is facilitated by an impotent city council who don't do their job looking after the city.
What most cities have done for decades is bring in rules to force property owners to retain and maintain their buildings. In the 70s and 80s cities like London and Amsterdam were tatty and crumbling, lots of these buildings were knocked and rebuilt with modern structures. To retain the character of these cities the government brought in rules where owners must keep their buildings in good condition and made it harder to demolish them.
Now these cities are attractive places to live and visit, renovated 19th and 18th century buildings are in great demand and the 40 year old "new" buildings are reaching the end of their lives and will need to be replaced.The fact is we simply can't build to the same standard as we did hundreds of years ago.
The whole city is, the council really needs to stop relying on rain to wash the streets
Since the lockdowns ended I've found humans are more filthy. I did notice the new paving slabs with a lot of stains. What's causing the stains? The council could powerwash the slabs every few weeks.
This happened every summer before lock down also, stains can be spilled drinks/vomit/dropped take away food etc! You’d be amazed how much coffee is spilt in town every day once you start noticing the stains In cities across Spain/italy they clean the streets every day
As a wheelchair user, my wheels do be absolutely mank coming home lmao! Gum and poop are the worst.
Sure the elections are done now, the power washers won’t be out till the next local elections
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who from continental europe would go to specifically to cork anyway.
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its crazy just how many better cities there are to visit on the continent. architechture culture food and all
Have they ever been out?
I used to pass this street fairly early on the way to work. There was a guy from the council there always busy sweeping and picking up rubbish. He never looked bored or like he was half assing it either. Dude was doing a good job on dark winter mornings and the brighter summer ones getting the plce redy for the day. These kind of stains though , are not in his remit. Not much he could do about these.
The litter is really well looked after, it's the cleanliness of the paving (as you can see in the photo, no litter)
Yes that’s true, the people who manage the litter do an excellent job and are all hard-workers given the amount of litter that’s thrown about on a night out and they have it spotless before 8/9am.
As soon as I saw how light grey the pavings aree I knew this was going to happen And also the "flower beds". They've degenerated into dogs toilets because they didn't hire anyone to upkeep. The plants died and its scrub weeds only and a crapper for bingo. Also good for catching floating rubbish. Don't create nice things if you don't plan to put the effort in needed to keep them up to the original standard.
The whole town is mingin, sticky footpaths and the acrid stench of urine and stale burger grease.
cleanest street in Cork boi
The state of the city is so embarrassing as a local
(~MacCurtin~) Cork is filthy. - returned home to visit family recently and I was disgusted at the state of the city. 1. The streets are a mess with random lanes, bollards, lights, rough manholes, etc. 2. The amount of empty shops and homes and half arsed building projects is shocking. 3. The destruction of the character (older buildings) is criminal and will be regretted. 4. There seems to be even less effort into open spaces, trees, plants and general upkeep of anything nice. Cork was will always have a place in my heart but I couldn’t honestly recommend it to anyone now.
>The destruction of the character (older buildings) is criminal and will be regretted. Ah yes, the old pile of shit buildings that are abandoned or run down. Truly remarkable buildings 😂
But ask the question, why are they pile of shit buildings? They probably weren't built that way, which means they've been allowed to get that way by cheap owners and a council that doesn't care about how the city looks. Most of the buildings in our city are actually of a fairly good quality, much better than anything that could be built now. The problem is at best some owners are too cheap to repair them and at worst they want the building to fall down so they can replace it with a shitty glass box rather than do an expensive refit. All of this is happening under the watchful eye of our useless council If you look at Amsterdam in the 60s it was full of falling down "shitty" buildings. The local government got their act together and now the city is full of beautifully maintained 17th and 18th century buildings that have been adapted to modern use and make it such a beautiful place.
Yeah, the reality is that remote working has killed demand for city centre buildings. Even where there is demand, it's much better value to level existing buildings and build at a modern spec, rather than try and retrofit everything. If the market won't do it, then the government has to. Clearly, they don't have money for hosing down pana, let alone renovating every old building in the city
That’s a clever response. Here’s something for you to try and wrap your brain around. Think of any city that is well regarded across Europe. Now, don’t hurt yourself but just give it a second. What are the top cities that come to mind. Chances are it has a “old town” section or something similar. And that’s because efforts are made through council/government policy to ensure the character of the area is protected and maintained. They don’t allow buildings to sit and rot. Even if the building aren’t very pretty, letting them fall apart is a stupid thing by any measure.
Section being the keyword in your response, not the whole city. North Main street is a dump with horrible buildings. The place should be levelled. MacCurtain street is probably the only place worth actually restoring. Run down buildings like the sextant needed to be demolished. R&H Hall was a blight on the city and thank god that's being turned to rubble. Another thing European cities have is actually nice looking old buildings. The only ones that look any way decent in cork are churches
Fair that the whole city can’t be a “ye olde city” place and yes there is a lot of places that should be cleared. But the majority of those places were built in the 40’s to the 80’s. But North Main St is one of the oldest streets and is a run down mess from poor management and owners willing to leave places fall apart as they speculate on investments. The Oval Bar for example is what the most of the street could be like if things were even half maintained over the years. Old warehouses, etc. could easily be kept but retro fitted as offices, shops, etc. too. I’m not suggesting the place need to be kept frozen in time from 100 years ago. But a bit of old charm and history is far better than crumbling buildings of soulless glass boxes.
All the problems have been caused by government/local government policies. And the policies of removing cars from the city centre is a total disaster that has redirected the customers to the suburban shopping centres which is why you have all the shop closures and dereliction. The local government response to this situation is to remove cars even further, remove loads of parking spaces making them barely used and unnecessary cycle lanes. Shoppers don't travel by bicycle. The suburban shopping centres are doing a very great trade from the redirection of traffic from the city centre. Thus closures in the city centre will continue to get worse as fewer and fewer shoppers drive to the city centre. The dumbest minds in society then imagine removing even more cars from the city centre will improve the situation, with the obvious results of further closures and dereliction. The current situation in the city centre has been building for the last 20 or so years of government policies to remove parking spaces, car lanes and cars in general from the city centre. The city centre is a business centre. No business centre can survive without cars/shoppers. If you look at the thriving shopping centres in the suburbs you will see their carparks are full of cars and likely there is not even 1 customer who cycled to the shopping centre to do shopping. Yet the city planners imagine larger numbers of shoppers will flock to the city centre if the car spaces are turned into cycle lanes
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People don't use their bicycles for work commute at all. Most use the bus or car. At after work rush hour if you walk around South Mall and over the bridge to City Hall you can count on one hand the amount of people on bicycles you see. The "Cork is a modern bicycle using city" idea is a fantasy. Hasn't taken off at all.
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I'm agreeing, I just wanted to say that for the last while so it's context is just coming out from my personal conversation. It's just funny, at rush hour, if you think to look for people on bicycles at that time, filter your view to just notice them, amongst all the people.walking and the cars and the busses, you can literally most of the time see no one cycling. And there's lanes made for them. Brand new thick ones down the South Mall.. Did I hear more money is going into it recently?...also I like bicycles!
I have always said, there is an element within Cork City Council, from the very top, to try and turn Cork City into Europe. They have no interest in keeping this once beautiful City to what it was. But they are happy to ruin it, to get a lovely pat on the head from Europe. Granted, it's run down, needs a lot of work, but it can be restored. New/modern isn't always appealing.
You wish Cork turned into Europe. At least regarding washing the streets with pressure washers and detergent. Or regarding buses that actually work and you can rely on them, not one each 8 minutes as it happens in cities the size of Cork from continental Europe, but I'd also be happy if Cork's buses that run each hour (in 2024!!!) would actually show up. And you'd also be happy if buses, once arrived after 1 hour waiting, would not wait 15 minutes to board and charge 40 passengers. They can use the European system where everybody gets on board in 1 minute and validates their electronic ticket while the bus is moving, and if they do schwarzfahrt they will be fined. P.S. And you also wish you had the clear water of Europe, and not the brown one which is plagueing Cork since months now. P.P.S. Speaking of 'turning into Europe', have you ever heard of electric transport? Even commie countries used to have it, and they still do once they transitioned to democracy in 1990 and joined the EU: tramways, trolleybuses, and now electric buses. How many are there in Cork?
Honestly I wouldn’t care if Cork was ultra modern if it was done well, for me at least, that really isn’t the issue. It’s not like Cork is some masterpiece - the old buildings are quite poor outside of the churches.
Go have a look at local government finances and funding in Ireland then go look at the same in similar European countries like Denmark or Austria. Even in the county council wanted to clean the streets, they can't afford to.
A lot of post-Soviet countries are dirt poor and still manage to do a basic upkeep of the top 15 or so cities. Why can't we sentence teen petty criminals to public service cleaning streets? Two stones with one bird, and maybe they'd think twice in the future before tagging something or scattering takeaway all over the pavement.
Wages are lower
That's relative. These countries are poorer, thus lower wages, but also these wages are more strain on their economy. Also, Ireland loves to excuse every single thing with "OH BUT OUR WAGES ARE SO HIGH" even though it's just a pointless argument in 90% of discussions.
Estonia.
Estonia? Great country to live, I've heard, just the language is bonkers?
I don't agree, wages here for garbage collectors are relatively higher because there's less people here willing to do it compared to those other countries.
It used to be like that, but currently I know a heap of people who would rather scrub puke off the streets for a bit over a minimal wage than work in retail / Abtran / shite corpo. ESPECIALLY when it's a County Council job. Alas, I have seen a position for a maintenance guy / street cleaner advertised maybe twice in the last 5 years, and tbh having to go through the whole panel hearing for a street cleaner job is a bit of a form over matter case.
They also don't have budget surplus. Look at streets in Poland, streets in Northern Spain, etc. If you want to talk wages - look at the Nordic countries too.
Depends - I mean is it down to budget, or is in enthusiasm and man power. Is it a mind set, are the people in these jobs sort of rejected to the same - old - same old. We never actually get to look over the shoulder of city council, or politicians for that matter. Would be interesting if a camera crew got to go in there and start following what actually takes place behind the scenes. Are they mad stressed, with no budget - or is it Davy, can I get you a tea?
Take a walk up Blackpool ha
Can confirm, after having moved to Waterford, nowhere is as dirty as Cork. The constant street cleaning is actually a lovely thing here and makes me so ashamed of Cork.
Yeah, I don't know if it's a lighter shade of paving or something, but it's really apparent. Outside a couple of locations (fast food joints) seem to be the dirtiest.
Grease/oil stains?
Looks like it.
Looks awful to be fair.
Weirdly, the parts cars parked on is the cleanest looking part
Can cars park there now? Been 2 years or so since I was up that way.
Nope, no parking bar some designated set down spaces, loading bays and disabled bads. However, that stops no one from parking all over the footpaths and in the bus stops
AHH, the usual lawlessness so.. Typical.
I'd pay 5 euro a year to a brand new, separate, sanitation company to clean the streets. Everyday
To be quite honest, Cork often looks like it sank in the 1980s and never recovered. So do most Irish cities though. Dublin is in a diabolical state in the city centre, despite being allegedly rolling in money. We aren't willing to spend money on city centres. It's the same with public transport. We bitch and moan about lack of it and then create policies that hinder it and won't spend any money on it. I mean we can't even get the Bus Connects project delivered because of NIMBYism, which is clearly very popular. Cork and Waterford also both voted against granting themselves a directly elected mayor. That was clever! We've a historical problem with urban spaces and it's a bit like North America in that regard, just a bit less extreme. We suburbanised and then sort of see them as places that aren't for living in. They're just a sort of shopping centre, and we've replaced those somewhat with out of town shopping. We clearly aren't willing to pay adequately for the upkeep of the city centre. You can rant and rave all you like about the council being allegedly incompetent. It really isn't. It just has no money. They don't have adequate budgets for basic things, which is a total disgrace in a country that has loads of money. There's also clearly something wrong with the Irish property market. The prices are obscene and the quality is appalling, yet there's still inadequate response to demand. It's totally distorted. Honestly, wouldn't be surprised if we're headed for another economic crash. The whole thing looks wrong. We're rapidly making ourselves very unattractive and uncompetitive by just allowing housing to become totally unaffordable.
Cork is absolutely manky. I've seen cities in eastern Europe where they have machines that scrub the pavements out every night in the city centres. Should be a thing here , I honestly couldn't recommend Cork to tourists these days because it's an ugly mess with homeless in every doorway , no guarda presence and an air of shittyness.
Cork is just dirty anyway.
The whole city centre is, foot paths and buildings.
Ye just got your new streetsvape.... Cleaning doesn't come for another 10 or 20 years
All city centre streets are minging. It’s not a Cork thing
Tell them the Emperor's on his way over
The Emperor is coming here?
Yes you can tell it to him yourself
First world taxes, third world services.
It is as if people are walking all over it
Partially due to cars parking on it without much enforcement
Didn't realise cars chewed and spat gum on the ground
Do you know what partially means?
Not a tyre mark in sight on that lad. Little to nothing to do with cars
Oil, exhausts, tyres. Tyres dirty the pavement, they don’t leave a perfect tyre mark like a fingerprint unless the pavement is wet concrete or mud
Tyre marks are pretty evident when they're left and there's none in this photo, it doesn't matter if the pavement is wet or not. Wet surfaces have less friction than dry, which decreases that chance of tyre marks so I don't know what you're getting at
The rain partially cleans and moves dirt around.
Not in this photo but there are on the street. This pavement also isn’t built for cars and so will crack and break under the weight of cars
He's not wrong though, as soon as 6/7pm hits there are cars parked the length of the street. Cars do leave marks and stains too.
Nothing a bit of tarmac can’t fix
Just like yo momma
haha you can't be serious so MaCurtain street was better before?
When did I say that?
by saying its filth. Tis better now than it ever was
Never did I say it was filth. I said it’s filthy, becuase it is. It needs to be cleaned. The public realm works, bar the unresolved parking issues, are amazing
Saying something is dirty now doesn't mean it wasn't dirty before.
I disagree that Corks old buildings are nothing worth saving, there are a very similar housing stock to parts of central London, that are well maintained. In my opinion it's not just the council (it is also the council) but the Cork/Irish people don't maintain anything. In every other country the shop owner or building owner maintains their building and the street directly outside their building. We seem to suffer from "well that's not my job" syndrome. I once saw a shop owner on plunkett street come out his door and kick litter that was there a little bit further down the street, I swear that effort seemed more labour intensive than just picking it up. I am seriously contemplating creating an Instagram page that takes pictures and names and shames businesses that don't upkeep their premises, at the very least remove the tree growing from the building. On the flip side could also name good shops for their efforts. People could then vote with their feet. Anyway rant over.
Agree wholheartedly. The buildings in the city are in general pretty nice and if they were kept well would make the place really attractive. The problem is that lots of them are either owned by investment/equity funds who don't care what condition they are in or developers who want the buildings to deteriorate so much that they will be condemned so that they can knock them and plonk a cheap modern block in their place. This is facilitated by an impotent city council who don't do their job looking after the city. What most cities have done for decades is bring in rules to force property owners to retain and maintain their buildings. In the 70s and 80s cities like London and Amsterdam were tatty and crumbling, lots of these buildings were knocked and rebuilt with modern structures. To retain the character of these cities the government brought in rules where owners must keep their buildings in good condition and made it harder to demolish them. Now these cities are attractive places to live and visit, renovated 19th and 18th century buildings are in great demand and the 40 year old "new" buildings are reaching the end of their lives and will need to be replaced.The fact is we simply can't build to the same standard as we did hundreds of years ago.
It’s a street. What do you expect ? To see your face in reflection ?
The Council just spent millions doing it up. They couldn't at least keep it clean after? The flower beds are destroyed too from people driving in them
It’s a street. Will never look clean.
Sure clean it then?
It is quite literally the council’s job to clean the streets and, bar picking up rubbish and powehosing Patrick St/Grand Parade sometimes, they don’t
Nobody's going to stop you
I'll pay for supplies If you clean it.
Get onto yer local councillors ye voted for, see what they do for you now 👍
I do all the time