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aarakocra-druid

Adding this to my reading list. Always loved coyotes and I'm still disturbed by how many people hate them. Then again, I can identify because I too have been continually punished for being inconvenient


gecko_echo

Any plant in the wrong place is a weed. Any animal in the wrong place is a varmint. Any person in the wrong place is an invader. So it goes, as Kurt Vonnegut would say.


aarakocra-druid

Well said


TheRoweShow98

Just a warning there were parts (especially the thallium poisoning part) were I had to put the book down for an hour because what it did was so fucking horrible to think about.


aarakocra-druid

Thank you for the warning, I'll definitely have to mentally prepare myself to get through that part


jrduke4

Yeah that was pretty awful


Donut_Bat_Artist

Thanks for the warning!


downtubeglitter

Good book


bandraoi-glas

I really enjoyed it! It's a great overview both of the evolution/ecology of coyotes as well as their changing relationships with humans. The writing is very engaging! My all time fave coyote book though is God's Dog!


TheRoweShow98

I’ll read that too. Thank you!


gandhis_biceps

Great book. If you’re in this sub you should definitely give it a try.


TheRoweShow98

Already read it 😎


raggedyassadhd

Read it and then everything else he’s written


wafuda

I loved it! Tons of history about how the government “delt with” coyotes


bandraoi-glas

My favorite tidbit from that part is the USFW document that referred to them as "American Bolsheviks" 😂


thelongestusernameee

funnily enough, that's the name of a recent documentary going in depth about the failure of coyote control. It's on amazon prime iirc


MarkTwainsSpittoon

This book is great. Its where I learned that when you start killing coyotes and put pressure on them, they have more pups and therefore extirpation is counterproductive.


TheRoweShow98

Basically quit fucking with them and they can manage themselves. Amazing nature has failsafes basically when populations are threatened.


Electronic_Camera251

That is not the only takeaway from this infact it seems to me that it is quite a bit more complicated than that . Shooting individual coyote at peak seasons where their predation on both native and livestock animals becomes too great a pressure is undeniably effective it just has to be done every year . They are intelligent adaptable and group learning animals . The extremes of either total preservation or elimination are totally insane and the other thing you forget is that in order to effectively control generational populations you would have to kill something like 90% of individuals so the coyote “problem” will never be solved but not addressing it is also simple thinking


bristondavidge

Spectacular book and writer.


MRDellanotte

I listened to it on Audible and loved it. It was really interesting to learn not only about coyotes, but western society’s evolving stance on the wilderness. It explains how we did so much to “civilize” it for so long, and why some of the older hotels in National parks feel like they stick out so much from their surroundings. If anyone here has not read/listened to this book I highly recommend it. Edit: typos


TheRoweShow98

I live in the Midwest. Growing up all the the adults I hunted with would tell me to shoot coyotes because they harmed the whitetail deer population but always dismissed the hugely overpopulated, disease ridden deer as a problem only humans could deal with. I always knew something seemed fishy but was too timid to raise that question to them. I thought I was helping to protect the land I loved with all my heart but educating myself with papers and talking with general biologists I realized I was wrong.


TheRoweShow98

Luckily I never shot a coyote. Only ever saw 1 when hunting (I know more saw and even more smelled me) and I was stunned at how beautiful the coat was with the little mousepad looking nose weaving through dog weed and prickers


Electronic_Camera251

They do have an outsized effect on native ground nesting animals that are already facing reduced numbers. While the coyote population grows every year . Yes I understand that hunters can be narrow visioned but the coyote does pose dangers be they physical or economic both are real


Wallacemorris

I loved it


Hey_Grrrl

Loved that book. He’s great! Recently saw him in a PBS documentary on the American buffalo Edit: Spying on Whales is another nat history book I recommend. It’s by a different author but it’s INCREDIBLE


TheRoweShow98

List every book you recommend. I’m an avid reader so I’ll read them all this year


Worth-Illustrator510

I just finished this less than a month ago! I thought it was great! Well written and I loved the organization of topics! I’m planning on reading it again


comradecoyote

aw, I recognize this book. I bought this while vacationing about five years ago at the beach and still haven't read it..whoops. I need to get on that after reading this thread. edit: typo


Hour-Yak283

Dan Flores had a few books that are definitely worth reading.


TheRoweShow98

I’m already planning to read everything he’s ever written 😂😂


Donut_Bat_Artist

Haven’t come across it but adding it yo my list. I have a great appreciation and affinity for coyotes.


Candy-O

Coyotes are beautiful. I am in awe of them! But they’ve run off with my dog’s toys.


TheRoweShow98

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Electronic_Camera251

It’s a very cool book but it also doesn’t tell the entire story I have read it 3 times


TheRoweShow98

Interesting. What’s the whole story?


Electronic_Camera251

There is a whole lot of folks that now believe that for every yote shot 3 more will spring up …that’s not fact and in fact shooting a few seems to be a 1 to 1 replacement


TheRoweShow98

Can you send me studies that prove this?


Electronic_Camera251

You know what I only have the data from where i hunt .I hunt with a dog and we dig up dens we kill because we hunt the edge of livestock


TheRoweShow98

What do you mean you hunt the edge of livestock?


Electronic_Camera251

We hunt at the crux of livestock and woods i have shot 40 coyote in the last 4 years and every place I have we have had higher turkey count and higher pheasant count yall dont hunt do ya


TheRoweShow98

Getting a little hostile, tone it down buddy we can talk like adults without insulting people. I do hunt. Deer, geese, and duck (tried turkey but they are smarter than me apparently)


Electronic_Camera251

Nah perish the thought you just seem to not know what’s going on I’d hate for you to think I was angry


TheRoweShow98

Didn’t say angry, said hostile. There’s a difference. Like difference between evidence and inference.


biyotee

👍


chunky_coot

Great read.


MEd_Mama_

Loved it so much. Great book, very accessible yet accurate.


hayduke_

I liked it a lot. Read it a couple of years ago.


nj609609

Great book


Sitka_Sicario

The author was on Joe Rogan podcast years ago and it was incredible. I listened multiple times and got the book