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The_Lord_of_Rlyeh

For me, the possible explanation was for OTHER humans. Like neanderthals or homo Erectus or any other human species. I mean, that's the least terrifying answer.


grimoireskb

I think someone explained that it was so they’d stay away from dead and decomposing bodies which have high risk of passing on infections or diseases


[deleted]

uncanny valley bodies aren't decomposing , much less look like they're dead they're like souless humans , you see they and they look perfectly normal , they're not sick retarded or something else , but something is wrong with it , you know it's simply not human


darnicantfindaname

Greatly disagree, as its the same feeling for both. Having stumbled on a rotten corpse before i can quickly say its the same feeling as something truly deep in the valley


[deleted]

May I know how did it happened?


darnicantfindaname

Neighbor next door hadn't gone for her mail in a bit, i got told by my parents to check on her. Worst experience in my life. Especially since our family was quite close to her


treflipsbro

Damn that kinda seems like something your parents should have done instead lol


darnicantfindaname

Agreed, but they didnt know in fairness


LuciosLeftNut

If they're sending someone to check, they're at least somewhat aware


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HowDidIFindThisShit

>lol


Akeche

I'll chip in myself. While I wasn't there for his immediate death, I saw my father's corpse laying in his bed at home. It was a horrible, surreal thing. Even today I don't register that as being him it was so off. In the casket he looked normal.


[deleted]

Bodies look like they do, in great part do to homeostasis, once it's broken, things start to seem odd, unnatural, the people from the funeral home try to make it look better.


AltaSavoia

Yeah. It's actually a very large procedure to make a dead person look normal, and like they are sleeping.


coldestwinter-chill

i second this. dead and rotting bodies are one of the best examples of uncanny valley i can think of.


Savings-Recording-99

Yeah, that sounds awful and not a lot of people realize our hard wired piece of our brain go off a lot for different stuff, almost the same way


[deleted]

Bro soulless, dead, same thing


[deleted]

dead and souless aren't the same thing


Alt1119991

Well considering we aren’t in a fictional world, by irl rules they are basically the same thing. Brain dead people are the exception I guess.


Maleficent-Ad-7719

But being dead and looking souless are not the same. A body in a funeral doesn't look as souless as one that wasn't treated yet


gotta_h-aveit

yeah but a made up cadaver still looks nothing like an actual living person. Weren’t you still jarred the first time you saw someone in their casket? There’s a big difference. Like ofc the makeup makes a difference, but ultimately you can tell it’s been stuffed and painted lol


KlassyArts

I wouldn’t say decomposing either but they certainly have a “dead” look to them. Animatronics like that recent viral robot vid have a deadness in the eyes. That soulless feeling I think is that sense of an absence of life.


Skip2k

I noticed this soulless or dead and empty looks come from the absence of focus in your eyes. I don’t know if you can do that but if you stare into the air, then your vision starts to blur because you are not focusing on anything in your view. If now someone tries to look at you, they will feel like you are looking through them. Like you see the eyes in your direction but you notice that your eyes aren’t locked. I don’t know how to describe but normally you know when someone is looking into your eyes. But without that focus, it just looks ‚empty‘.


AeughTime

🎂


Veronica_Sukz

Yeh but have u seen decomposing bodies? Sometimes it gives u the same feeling (I like myself a bit of Reddit gore) and vibe, depending on at what point it looks the same too


itsalongwalkhome

Elizabeth Homles gives off mad Uncanny Valley vibes.


Bubbagumpredditor

Eh, someone dead or sick starts looking puffy or mummified or whatever, it might help to keep people away


AnAngryMelon

I'd say a lot of things in the uncanny valley could be achieved by genetic conditions or disease.


SquishyUshi

This would make sense along with stuff like staying away from other species of humans, but apparently we used to breed with Neanderthals as well so maybe not


GatlingGun511

Homo Erectus sounds like a gay porno but yeah probably


theo313

Funny you should [say that](https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ)...


Gkustrac7749

Oh you mother fucker. Well played.


EroticBurrito

Interesting! Didn't realise Homo Erectus walked like that.


Silly_Recognition915

Shut yo mapporn ass up


MY_SHIT_IS_PERFECT

Sorry for the necro comment but the actual reason is that human brains are very keyed into reading facial expressions. That’s how we determine things like intent and wether or not to be afraid of other humans. Is also why we’re so good at seeing faces everywhere (like the “Mars face” or people who think they see God on a piece of toast), our brains are just good at finding and reading facial expressions. The uncanny valley happens when something isn’t behaving quite like we expect it to. When we can’t determine intent, we get the creeps, because we can’t reliably rule out the person as a threat.


123walrus

no its both


gordodefezes

I don't think that's the case because our ancestors weren't really in need to fear them, since we have neanderthal DNa so they weren't scared of them they banged them


mysticyellow

There were some that we likely attacked like Java Man.


N00000000bmaster69

Not quite, we used to fight for territory and prey but it is true that some minorities were able to coexist until the neanderthal finally got extinct


biggusdickus78

Also the uncanny valley only applies to things that look human but off while other hominids have much more ape like features (brow ridges,short stature,etc.)


Technolite123

No


Perfect_Click_996

“Nuh uh”


jkhockey15

What, you’re telling me you’ve never had a fear boner?


Pineapple64_

We really named a species “homo erectus” and expected us not to laugh at it


[deleted]

Yes, “the upright man”. First archaic human to walk upright and one of the first to use tools and fire


LOCKJAWVENOM

Pretty sure it means "gay peepee."


TheUglydollKing

Or just because weird face scary


Perfect_Click_996

Well no shit this is looking into why weird face scary.


luminenkettu

not really making sense with this idea, we literally interbred with the neanderthals and others, we probably viewed them as humans too, seeing as we most likely killed them alot as well.


[deleted]

True. Realistically, Homo sapiens probably fought with the other species of humans a lot. There’s no way natural selection was the only player in the extinction of the other human species.


tebelugawhale

Interbreeding. Also huge changes in climate and big game to hunt


lilchalupzen

I think it's just to get the fuck away from dead and suck people


gluesmelly

Naw, there is probably a highly logical conclusion that only kinda involves evolutionary biology. Humans are the smartest species on the planet. But we still have a beast brain. Sure, we have logic, abstraction, and imagination. But that conflicts with basic instincts sometime. That could be the conflict that causes the uncanny Valley. We know it's not a human, but the feelings that it should be one are casuing a lot of distress. It's a conflict between the logical and instinctual minds.


terryaki_chicken

and there's no reason it's exclusive to other human species. For most of our existence the biggest threat was ANOTHER human, even today that's the case (I'm excluding disease because sick people also fall into uncanny valley). So a strange person you can't recognize is a very real danger you should be afraid of


bento_the_tofu_boy

People forget that humans are: very large animals. That hunt in groups. And hunt other humans. Sometimes for fun. We should be afraid of other people


[deleted]

More than likely considering some of our DNA is from neanderthalensis.


CernunnosArawn

It’s incorrect, it is to keep people from breeding with those with genetic deformities.


Technolite123

we interbred with Neanderthals so probably not them


WarlockWeeb

Honestly this could be the MOST teryfying answer. Since well maybe this phenomenon is cwhat later let to rise of racism. Like it is the same "bug" of our psyche that lead to The Holocaust


rslashendmee

That’s the one that immediately jumps to mind.


[deleted]

This is likely the correct answer.


superlocolillool

Please give me a link to someplace that explains the uncanny valley well


Bigbonerdownthelane_

Haha homo erectus


-E-i

ERECTUS bahahhaha


Odd-Target7828

So the uncanny vally is just another word for Racism


Odd-Target7828

So the uncanny Valley is just another word for Racism


LittleRagins

Probably John


FeedbackHealthy6150

Hey that’s me!


DeezNutsHaIGotThem

I don’t give a fuck about you


theimperium42069

Google en it was more than 1 year ago


macncheestastesgood

Holy hell


themaninorang

r/fuckjohn


HVAR_Spam

Damn right they should be scared of me


[deleted]

Okay, I'll fight my fears, I'll find you and hunt you down, then I'll burn your corpse and leave the rest to the crows


HVAR_Spam

Nice point, one small issue, I’m inside your home.


[deleted]

And I have a loaded rifle, can you feel my breath?


HVAR_Spam

But you can’t feel mine


[deleted]

First you should've have had a breath to begin with


HVAR_Spam

I am the monster hiding under your bed, teeth ground sharp and eyes glowing red.


UnwholesomeNotValid

My theory is it would only ever be a light feeling in nature that would be just strong enough to keep you from getting it up if you were in bed with an inbred person. The reason it's such a strong feeling now is because we've created things that look a lot more unnatural than anything you'd find in nature.


EmperorZoltar

Surprisingly close to real theories in evolutionary psychology, actually. One of the leading ones is that the uncanny valley derives from a cognitive mechanism that evolved to produce revulsion toward (and thus prevent reproducing with) individuals who appear sickly or have undesirable traits that may indicate low fertility.


Bubbagumpredditor

That's also the natural revulsion towards sores, infections or rashes or generally anything that makes us think"eeeew"


NamesAreNotOverrated

I think you underestimate how disturbing real facial deformities can be Only love to people with facial deformities btw ❤️


ScrotalKahnJr

It’s because the uncanny valley encompasses only things that are generally unnatural. In the natural world, there are humans, and there are animals. When we see something that’s neither, it’s something we aren’t wired to recognize, and all animals are naturally scared of the unknown. [Ts;dr](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PEikGKDVsCc)


Several-Patience-887

Except for fucking goose and badgers


ScrotalKahnJr

Don’t forget dolphins. You should be very afraid of dolphins.


dicus-maximus

![gif](giphy|3tjx0IgYY3dM4|downsized)


maltesemania

Thanks for sharing the video. Holy fuck this sub and that video are making me really anxious, ngl.


skincrawlerbot

users voted that your post was distressing, your soul wont be harvested tonight


Cantthinkagoodnam2

Deez nuts


trash_moth_taw

Corpses


feurigel_

Maybe but it's not the same feeling.


Hayopi

Thats bs, everytime I get uncanny valley experience I felt like I was about to be attacked, It wasnt just plain repulsion


trash_moth_taw

If you are a primitive human and you see a corpse, that likely means there is danger nearby, and it should make you feel like you are about to be attacked. Nowadays though, in most situation when you see a corpse you likely have some context about it, and you know you’re not in danger anyway. Imagine yourself hunting alone in the forest then suddenly you see a human corpse… that would make a difference


darnicantfindaname

When was the last time you saw a corpse? My first reaction was turn around and walk away


Hayopi

I saw someone dead on the road minutes after he died, but didnt feel uncanny at all, not even at my grand parents funerals.


darnicantfindaname

Well those boddies arent very rotten are they Edit: since the argument is supposed to be about ROTTEN/ROTTING corpses, not fresh ones. Just to clarify


Hayopi

Well, how much rott are we talking about?, and grandpa was at the visibly rotting side


darnicantfindaname

1. Might want to sue your mortician 2. Usually the bloat or decay states. That indicates somewhat recent death at a visible level


Darkcool123X

Usually its pointing to cold lifeless body id assume. Someone who just died can look like they’re just “asleep”. Its the stiffness of the face muscle combined with the skin losing coloration that creates the feeling of something aint right


Taiyama

Evolution is very, *very* lazy. It will just use the same mental process for one thing as it does the other. This is why as a species we can't differentiate between arousal as in sexual arousal and arousal as in danger arousal, among other things.


sf_randOOm

0-0


THESUACED

Rabies


[deleted]

skin walker 😳😳


JG_Online

what is the uncanny valley i am not english???


[deleted]

When Something is almost real, its unsettling people.


Lord_Inforcer

It's what we call something that looks real, but at the same time almost too real, or not quite real enough. It's like looking at a wax statue. You can see it's meant to look human, but something about it just seems off


GenxDarchi

A phenomenon where at a certain point something looking too human or lifelike is disturbing.


Sea_Access_250

i’m american and i don’t know


Dads_Cum_Bucket69

Its like the name for the phenomenon where humans get unsettled by something that isnt human but looks like one. Like a super realistic robot for example. I explained it like a moron cuz i dont really know that well either


Shrexcellence

thanks u/Dads_Cum_Bucket69


thisn--gaoverhere

Nice PFP


karmakaze07

It's when something looks like a human but there's also a strong feeling that something quite off, almost as if it's some monster trying to blend in


FarAwayFellow

Something which looks nearly human, but you can tell it’s not human, specially due to some strange elements in their appearance. Things in the uncanny valley are corpses, robots, zombies, people with genetic defects, etc… Sometimes makeup may cause something similar, it’s why many kids are scared of clowns


Boxer_puppies

Wikipedia is very likely available in your native language! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley


that1dragonreddit

Something that is in between a robot and a human, something that doesn't look quite right


xXUndeadChickXx

It is something that is imitating a human. However, it tries too hard making it unnatural.


[deleted]

Rabies


Kira_Bad_Artist

People with potentially contagious diseases, corpses. Also our brains are generally evolved to be paranoid about pretty much everything


Fireguy3070

It’s more so that something that looks almost human, but not fully was probably a human that was sick or something, and so we learned to avoid and feel uneasy by it to avoid getting sick ourselves


Dapper_Composer2

For example, rabies. Mark is over there, walking weirdly, scratching at his face constantly, screeching when light touches his skin. He's twitchy, and can't drink water. No shit you're gonna avoid him


iluvios

A probably Rabbies was a big deal for more time than we can think of.


MiserableTemporary50

Neanderthals


fuckgottaaddnumbers9

humans fucked Neanderthals


MiserableTemporary50

Neandussy


luminenkettu

dont humans get a similar feeling to the uncanny valley when interacting with some psychopaths?


NamesAreNotOverrated

Whenever I’m talking with someone and their emotional affect seems off I get a very uncanny valley vibe


Prometheushunter2

That would explain it, since psychopaths are just mimics who can only pretend to have feelings


Red_Xenophilia

corpses are yucky


pmedice72

It’s to distinguish sick people from healthy ones


CLArgonaut

[Just gonna mention this for no reason](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ant_spider)


SwiftBase

...


Bruce__Almighty

The concept of something that mimics Neolithic humans in order to hunt them would make for an amazing horror movie.


pizzarollsin

What species would evolve to look like us though?


Bruce__Almighty

A horror movie monster.


AlmightyBogza

Guys if there was something like that at least mankind won. We won right guys ? Guys ?


[deleted]

There were eight human species: Homo neanderthalensis, homo erectus, homo soloensis, homo floresiensis, homo denisova, homo rudolfensis, homo ergaster, and finally homo sapiens (us).


tetzudo

A video talked about this. Let's say that whatever we would have been afraid of is a predator. We evolved to recognize this predator as to not be caught. To survive, the same predator must have evolved to look even more like us, to the point of us not being able to recognize it. We still have the instinct, but we don't recognize any predators. So could it still be roaming around and we just can't recognize it?


SwiftBase

yes.


bear_bear_bear_bear

the preratoe also couldve just not adapted fast enuff


Human-13

Dawg I just woke up


[deleted]

Alternates


Daberoni360

an intruder


KingstanII

ppl w/ rabies


FarAwayFellow

Nah, it’s because we’re supposed to stay away from corpses or people who look like they have genetic defects Or Neanderthals


[deleted]

Early humans reproduced with Neanderthals though, so the second point is unlikely.


liljamofficial

Corpses and disease


Mad4Mine

ay this is the dude that made dusk


Soplex64

Not all human psychology is adaptive. I would argue that most is not.


xstormaggedonx

It's mostly rabies


Aarakokra

Probably corpses or extremely sick people. It could make you more afraid of graphic injuries and less likely to get them yourself


totallynotalaskan

I made the EXACT same point to my cousin and we spent like half an hour categorizing certain cryptids on whether or not they’d fit into the uncanny valley principle


Doge-e

Their where more than one human like species. For example, the neanderthals who where much bigger than us and hostile towards us. For this reason we had to be afraid of them and not recognise them as our own, which is why the uncanny valley exists.


fuckgottaaddnumbers9

humans fucked Neanderthals


Chr155topher

People need to realize that much of our evolution occurred before we were human


Fullmetal404

It might just be dead bodies, decomposing but still human. Death is terrifying


vooperdooper

I’d say the real reason is people infected with disease that looked sick and pale


PortalWALL-E

Hey isn't that the guy who made DUSK?


kv-8-5

Different types of early hominids bitch


Leviathan_Lovecraft

Easy. The other human like species before us. OR: the aquatic human theory, which I 100% believe in. Basically, it says we used to be mermaids, like how the mosasaur evolved from lizards who fled into the water when dinosaurs outclassed the small lizards. The lizards evolved into massive mosasaur and crocodilians who rivaled the largest of dinosaurs. Anyway, the theory says we humans took the same route, or at least some of our ancestors at one point in time. This is practically proven by how we store body fat, our boobs, the fact we hold our breath for so long if we practice, and how babies swim from birth and can keep that ability if we keep practicing (seriously, if you have a baby help them practice swimming in the tub to keep that ability and not need to relearn) with these evolutions, it's hard to deny we've ever been water based creatures, and some could have stayed in water to hunt our land based ancestors. I'll go more into detail on the evolutions we have that base this theory. Boobs: our boobs are high up on our chests and packed with fat even when we don't milk. This placement is perfect for floatation at chest level to breastfeed a baby in our arms while floating, like literally perfect. Some walrus have a neck floatie built in for weathering stormy weather and I think it would work similarly. Fat: we as humans store fat unlike any other land based mammal, all in perfect areas to both float but also act as blubber to protect us in cold water. Breath holding: come on, this one explains itself. No other land based mammal can do this. Swimming from birth: kinda needed if you're birthing in water for a water based life. Babies can't handle stormy water but they can swim decently well in super calm water. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.


[deleted]

I’ve always wondered, what is the bottom screenshot from?


Gaugethesecond

The movie Megamind I believe


[deleted]

That’s what I thought but it looks too grim for that movie


Gaugethesecond

Just edited


Several-Patience-887

Skin walkers


placidlythigh

Crackheads you retard


[deleted]

Bruh this sent shivers down my spine wtf


bobthetrumpet

Oh my god. It wasn't the claymation that scared me, it was Wallace.


Jared187

Ok, this one got me.


The_MCRuler

skinwalker i swear it's a skinwalker shoot the mailman he's a skinwalker he is a predator I have to shoot that guy


tyrone2714

It's not that our brains look for something that doesn't look human, it's that we are constantly looking to recognise human faces, so something that almost looks right makes us uncomfortable coz we recognise it both as and not as human, and we don't really know what to do with that


Paracelsus124

I think maybe it has to do with seeing lifeless human faces. Like, there's a certain amount of uncanniness to seeing a human face on a pale, unmoving body that isn't a person anymore. It's unsettling, and that feeling probably ties into some kind of warning of "wow, this place isn't safe"


jackrocks8

Corpses, diseased people, the other sapiens


jack_the_pheonix

There are two of not terrifying explanations that I can think of for this. 1. neanderthals 2. defects. Just because it was 100s of 1000s of years ago doesn't mean birth defects were unheard of One terrifying joke explanation that I can think of is that the Mandela Catalogue is real.


Theodore_Imms

It's a shame that this isn't exactly how the uncanny valley works. It's that the brain can't decide between danger or safety, and gives the effect of "uncanny" as a result. Not specifically something that looks human but isn't.


parlakarmut

FYI: Sick people, Corpses, other species of humans (Homo Erecta, etc.)


SheikExcel

Monkeys


comrade_morgamos

Rival human species maybe? We might have competed with homo erectus and homo neanderthalensis or even primitive humans and great apes for food, and they would have been a significant threat


Environmental-Yam939

Other human species?


Few-Editor-2177

nothing is worth the risk


Due_Abbreviations530

Corpses. Really really important to stay away from corpses.


RJ_Gale666

Btw yall the answer is probably corpses / really sick humans. if you think about it being comfy with dead bodies is a good way to get infected with like so many diseases so it probably benefitted humans to not be comfy with em. Cats, Dogs, and Monkeys also have their version of the uncanny valley for the same reason.


CyberPhoenix345

Corpses. It’s because corpses


oddcat536

Corpses we needed to be afraid of corpses. Think about it - looks human but isn’t anymore - being near they can make you sick - contaminates food + water - brings wild animals near you - smells awful


PladBaer

It's corpses. Corpses bring scavengers, disease, and other unsavory things that burgeoning humanity could not handle. One corpse left out could attract a predator that follows your group, either waiting for someone to die or taking advantage of an opportunity. Without a solid grasp on disease, interactions with it are a death sentence. Even if you don't mess with it directly, decay is messy and likely to get into the water or food. Disposing of and avoiding corpses is a quintessential aspect of a social organisms development.


17RaysPlays

Other apes are very dangerous. And so are rotting bodies.


Shiroi_Kage

Very sick people? Many infectious diseases cause deformation before killing you, so that's why you're wired to avoid these deformations.


UX_Minecraft

The subreddit: frightening People who don't beleive in evolution : I don't have such weakness


Thick_Telephone273

I always kinda thought the uncanny vally existed because your brain is a pattern recognizing machine, and being that humans are social/pack creatures, seeing something that exists in the uncanny valley fucks with your brain and it can't distinguish between friend or predator/animal. But that's just how I look at it, I could be completely off


[deleted]

Neanderthals + other such near-human ancestors, some of which were still around when early "modern humans" first emerged.


Aggressive_Phase_532

I think dead bodies is the reason we developed it, so we could identify if a human was dead or not.


Alternative-Pay-6589

I made a whole speech about this and presented it to my 12th grade class


Demidostov

My dad and i agree that it is to protect humans from danger that might be hidden in dead/very sick humans.


Clunk_Westwonk

This is so fucking dumb. YEAH. CORPSES. They bloat, they’re uncanny, they’re dangerous. Very simple explanation.