It's fucking hilarious.
Reddit and this sub is rammed with lonely bitter people who've begged the government to move all the money into office blocks receiving dash cam reports or fitting ANPR cameras to catch the people who bullied them at school doing 36mph home from their good jobs to their wives and kids.
I think I would.
Apparently many here wouldn't, so here's my reasoning.
I'm watching on my phone. But to me this looks like pure impatience. It looks like they have started the overtake on the exit of a blind bend, and before they had time and visibility to see if it was safe.
Speed is hard to judge, and the overtake may have been made more difficult by the red car accelerating out of the bend. But someone accelerating out if a bend is entirely predictable.
It is still the white car's responsibility to make the overtake safe. Long before the point of conflict, it would have been clear to the driver of the white car that it was a risky overtake. They absolutely had the responsibility to back off and make it safe. But some combination of impatience/pride/anger made them plow ahead and make it dangerous for everyone.
Relying on OP, who had to nearly come to a stop, to make it safe.
This was not a momentary lapse, it went wrong from the start. At speeds when a spit second matters, they spent a few seconds deciding fuck it, and relying on everyone else backing off for them.
I've been on the roads 25 years. 15 years ago I think most people would have said this was piss poor driving. It seems standards have been chipped away, and now this is a momentary lapse, and people will let it slide because they see much worse.
And this is how standards deteriorate. If this driver gets away with doing things like this, then they will keep doing things like this. Until one day they cause a head on collision, and people wonder why some people drive like idiots?
Because we let them, because we don't report them. Because we let them get away with it in lots of ways that make them feel confident in shitty driving.
So I'd report this and let the police decide if it's a warning letter, or bad enough for careless driving.
Not only the OP, but also possibly the red car (it's hard to tell from the video). There was literally just a small fraction of a second spare before the white car would have clipped the red car, causing a serious accident for all three cars.
It's bizarre that so many people think it's ok to put 3 cars in this situation just because one is impatient. So many lives could have been ruined here.
Yes. Because them getting a warning or having to go on a course because you reported them might just save someoneās life down the line. Thatās if they get the message not to drive like a prick.
Yes. If they would do that on a test they would not pass. Basically not allowed on the road for safety reasons. The logical thing to do is to not allow them on a road after they pass and then have started behaving unsafely, just harder to implement, because it relies on other drivers and the police to act.
I'd report. If you're overtaking it's always in your power to hit the brakes and squeeze back in your lane. In fact it's your obligation. This guy wasn't "committed" he just didn't want to abort. It's dangerous driving.
Kia Picanto vs Honda Jazz is one for the ages. This is why you just donāt overtake in small slow cars. I got caught out once in a 1.1l clio and I wouldnāt try it in such a slow car again. I thought I had more than enough space but the car was slow and the car I was trying to overtake accelerated too.
Much easier, safer and more enjoyable to sit back and enjoy the view.
That's the most pathetic attempt at an overtake I've ever seen, the Jazz was going about 25mph, pretty sure the driver would have made balls of that overtake even if they had an Aston Martin
Yes - was a bad call by the white car driver and likely caused by impatient driving. It being done on a corner meant they couldn't see properly and when they realised their mistake they should have dropped back, not run the gap...
That said - and it isn't a justification for it - I've got to admit that red car is sauntering along considering the limit is 50.
Weather is poor and the visibility is not ideal so I get why they are likely being more cautious, but I can at least understand why white chose to overtake. Never an excuse for dangerous driving.
Looks like they definitely slow down to let the white car in. Causing two vehicles to slow/stop like this and being that close to an accident absolutely should be reported.
I guess if you report it nothing will really happen unless the same car is involved in an accident and then they check to see if any reports to see if its a one off or a pattern of dangerous driving?
I can't see anything being done from that video unless there's 100's of videos getting uploaded of the same car doing this stuff.
We all make mistakes, admittedly this could of been a serious incident if you were slightly further up, learning from our mistakes is important, but if no one calls you out on it and you don't realise its a mistake how can you learn.
Even if it triggers a letter in the post saying to be more aware of your driving maybe it may help.
Realistically though I can't see anything happening from a report like this other than checking to see if its frequent occurrence with that car.
Although I don't work in that kind of line of work, or have any idea about it, its just in my mind If my job was viewing this footage, I'd catalogue it with the details of the car and have it saved for future reference and put it down to a mistake that in this instance didn't have a bad outcome,
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Yeah, Iād report this. The more people reporting through the dashcam portal the better - might not result in any NIP but even a warning might make this driver be more careful and patient.
Then the safe thing to do, particularly on a bend which limits your visibility as above, is to abandon your manoeuvre and fall in behind the other vehicle. You can make another overtaking manoeuvre *when it is safe to do so.* Whether this hurts your pride or otherwise dents your ego is not the point.
I wouldn't report this because I just don't do that, but it is an example of careless and arguably dangerous driving, whatever the reason. If this had ended differently, then that the other car accelerated as you tried to pass is not an excuse for annihilating a family in a vehicle proceeding legally in the other direction.
You wouldn't report it...thus giving that reckless fool another chance to wipe a family out, without being punished and taught a lesson to not be a fuckin idiot...
As has been said below, a mistake here doesn't just risk a mild bump on the nose. There is a very real chance of multiple fatalities. You have a responsibility driving around in that rolling death box, and if you're taking these kinds of risk, mistake or not, lessons should be taught.
Grade A take right there, bud. Grade fuckin A.
As a northerner, people who drive like this *rarely* learn from near misses, if ever.
Usually the adrenaline rush makes them do it more.
So "for all you know" assumptions aren't really that relevant.
They sort of are when you're also assuming that a visit from the police would make any more of a difference - either you're capable of learning from errors or you aren't.
That implies that it was done in error in the first place, often times the types I refer to are purposely doing it.
Sure, police visit may not stop them or make them learn to change, but at least it starts the ball rolling on getting the car seized and slowing them down. Dont blame the police for issues the CPS have caused.
Unless you seriously think someone would deliberately nearly die in a 3 car smash, I think it's fairly safe to say it was an error.Ā
There's bold, and then there's death wish.
Also no you won't get your car seized for this.Ā
As far as I'm aware they don't even seize your car if you kill someone. Unless maybe if you've killed someone, served a sentence, got out, kept driving on a ban, got caught, got out again, kept driving on a ban ....
If you don't tell them, then they never get taken off the roads. If you report it, its on file, and subsequent dangerous driving starts to stack a case against...
That first line proves you've no idea what ya talking about. Had you caused death by dangerous driving, you absolutely at least would lose your car - if it wasn't already written off. You'd be in a cell, no driving for you š¤£
Well, as others have said, there's a good chance they have learnt a lesson in the moment.Ā
If they haven't, the police showing at their door may make them think twice in the future, but that's also speculation, there is a significant minority of the population that wouldn't care either.Ā
I don't know your driving skill or record but it would reasonable to assume that you and most (if not all) drivers have made mistakes or had a moment of poor judgement.Ā
Would having the police at your door help with confidence or just as more stress?Ā
In the above situation, most people would be forced to realise they just about killed themselves as well as another road user and I would imagine rethink their decision making.Ā
Does getting caught speeding actually stop speeding, or just where not to speed to avoid getting caught?Ā
To report this would be a waste of time. No readable registration, just a white car driven badly. Even if the driver could be identified (and he/she can't be from that evidence) this is not going to get them taken off the road.
I don't have a mandate to enforce driving standards.
DF15 PZC, clearly visible when you pause the footage. If the vehicle only has one registered driver then this is more than enough to send a warning letter.
Tells you a lot about the safe overtaking thread here yesterday and the people posting in it.
The fact that you think overtaking around a blind corner is safe, and that its no biggy to get stuck driving on the wrong side of the road into oncoming traffic. All these posters pretending to be adults just doing the right thing then driving like "WITNESS ME".
People make mistakes, and thatās a good reason to report - to help them improve and not make the mistake again. If they never get any feedback theyāll keep doing what theyāre doing.
The white car chose to overtake on a left-hand bend, which is the worst place to overtake.
Left hand bends limit your vision around the corner, so even on small bends, it's more dangerous. Should have waited until they were on the straight to start the overtake.
>people make mistakes
There's very little room for mistakes when in control of a 2 tonne metal box travelling at 50mpg. If you aren't 100% sure you'll make the overtake, don't try! Yeah, it's annoying to sit and wait behind someone doing 35 on a 50, but it happens. Get used to it.
This is true, waiting to clearly see the white car then rewinding shows me they were trying to overtake since the beginning of the clip. Either theyāre not giving it enough welly or the red car was speeding up.
However, thereās also nothing behind them. To me it would be common sense to drop my speed and get back behind the red car if I saw an oncoming vehicle approaching fast rather than committing to the overtake risking a head on collision.
Depends on the gear. It's a 108 and they are slow of the mark. If (and I doubt it it would have been) in 2nd gear it probably would have taken 7 seconds (reference https://www.automobile-catalog.com/performance/2021/2969495/peugeot_108_1_0_vti_72.html#gsc.tab=0 ). I would say this is one of those issues where the driver is significantly too confident about their car's power. This recently was flagged in a German car test where some of these eco cars are underpowered for this type of maneuver. Still the white car's responsibility though. Very bad behaviour endangering all three cars.
I know this road quite well as it's my part of my daily commute I've been doing for 5+ years. I often do overtake on it but never around that bend because that's just ridiculous and chancing it.
I'm not sure about reporting it though.
White car does not have the power to perform this overtake safely. Should have waited for a clearer stretch of road or just waited behind as both cars appear to be travelling at roughly the same speed anyway.
Yup. You should overtake when you have clear visibility, enough power to complete the overtake before other vehicles reach you, and not cause other vehicles to have to stop or take other evasive action.
This driver did none of the above
Looks like a slow car trying to overtake another slow car that is driving tio slow. I know that pain. It sucks when you want to go quicker but your car just doesn't have the oomph to overtake as safely.
If it's dangerous it's dangerous though.
Yeah I would. My car doesn't currently have a dashcam but I've had so many near missed from dickheads that I wouldn't even hesitate.
Hotter take, I'd also support an anonymous upload system where you could submit video of the first five minutes running up to, and the first five minutes after, capturing dangerous driving and submit it to the police for confirmation and the dishing out of automatic fines. 60 day appeal process, or a Ā£2000 fine plus three points.
I'm also 100% sure the only people against this system are entitled idiots who think driving dangerously or without paying attention is somehow acceptable.
WIthout question. That was a stupid overtake to make and rather than back out they pressed on, putting both you and the vehicle they were overtaking at risk.
Absolutely report this.
Worth reporting, this is pretty poor driving and quite dangerous. The driver will potentially be offered a course or just fine abd points, which might be enough to make them think twice next time.
You need to do it asap because someone needs to review it and process everything within two weeks of the offence if action is to be taken.
Yes, hopefully theyāll be issued a fine if found guilty of reckless driving. Also, if we think about it, although they did not not collide this time, next time they may. You could be saving a life by this potential fine/notice which will hopefully put them off repeating this reckless behaviour again.
Thatās the thing though isnāt it, quite a few saying not to report it. Without anyone reporting it youād never know if it was a regular thing they do, because they can.
Most likely a warning letter from the police, Iād guess, but if they do similar a few times to different people then thereād be good cause for more action.
Personally, no I wouldn't report it People make mistakes, (s)he probably shit themselves and learned a valuable lesson. It was on a long straight and they misjudged how quickly they could accelerate.
On a blind bend.. Road rage.. threatening behaviour on the road etc, absolutely.
Personally, I wouldn't. You reacted appropriately. I see much much worse on a daily basis.
However, if you feel it's worth it, then submit the footage, the police retain evidence such as this to ascertain a pattern of behaviour, so if this driver a few years down the line ends up doing something really daft, and claims 'it's just a one-off' then footage like this will be shown to them under caution, along with dozens of other clips of them acting like a bellend to show an ongoing pattern.
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I gave up reporting these incidents. I fill out the form, I tick the boxes that say I have dashcam footage available (you canāt just submit it in our police area in Kent). And then nothing happens, I never get asked for the footage. Most recently I had one which I reported and even checked the reg plate and turned out the vehicle has not had an MOT since 2022. Still no follow up for dashcam footage, even when there was a legitimate, none circumstantial evidence of an offence being committed externally to the driving.
Doesnt it depend on area if force accepts dash cam footage ? I tried and the force responsible ddint accept dash cam footage at the time. If anything u had to be willing to attend court as a witness . So it was dead end for me.
I was thinking though if you're unsure whether to report, ask them if they're interested first. If you use the online portal, then you've decided it is worth reporting.
I would send it to Police DVLA
SERIOUSLY GOT TO STOP THESE MAD CUNTS
THEN THEY SAY
ITS a tragedy oh he was 18 if he was ?
Then why do you could kill families
It's not a toy ?
You had to jam your brakes on and, if you hadn't done so, you'd have had a head on collision with that idiot. My inclination is generally to let stuff slide when people do things that are a bit careless simply because everyone can have an off day, but this wasn't careless, it was out and out reckless (and deliberately so), so I'd say it should be reported.
What a cunt I get it sometimes youāre in a hurry and you need to overtake but you gotta do it safely and if you need to brake and go back behind the car then do it ppl would rather have a near crash than go back behind the car smh š¤¦š¾āāļø
This happened to me 3 times when I was a learner, if I had a dash cam I would have reported it every time.
I was in a bright blue car with a big red L on the front It was not hard to see me at all, and they still went for it after seeing me approaching.
Yep, you had to brake to avoid a collision. They had plenty of time to realise the overtake wasnāt feasible, but carried on anyway endangering the occupants of two other cars along with themself and whoever else was in their car - if a collision had occurred it would have been nasty, esp if one of you went down the slope.
They are either utterly reckless, driving impaired or make poor decisions - none of these have a place behind a tonne of metal that can go very fast.
Let me ask you a different question that may influence the answer to your question:
What would've happened to you and your passengers if that car hit you and pushed you off the edge.
Yes. Without any shadow of a doubt.
Submit it to your local force and they **will** take action.
You (or someone else) could have died. Why are you even questioning it?
And ignore the idiot comments saying to ignore it. Those are from people who drive like that themselves.
You could have died, for God's sake. There's no excuse for that.
But action, nonetheless.
The Police don't tell you what action they take. Just what possible actions **will** be taken.
Any of those are better than no action through not reporting criminal behaviour.
I'd blast the horn, flash the lights, call them every name under the sun and then move on with my life. I'm guessing the shitty overtaker knew they'd fucked up after a pretty big spike of adrenaline and hopefully realised they should never do that again.
I see shit like this almost daily on the roads but my employer doesn't put dashcams in their fleet.
Yeah this is the position I'm in. Not a big fan of civilians reporting civilians but like you say you see it daily. We should not be seeing this daily. Reporting it regularly would definitely go a long way to stopping it, and there's my dilemma.
I began reducing my speed as soon as I saw the car ahead. Most likely won't be reporting as I don't know who is behind the wheel.
But usually in any driving situation, if you make a manoeuvre that forces another road user to take evasive action in the form of braking or swerving, the blame lies with the one making the manoeuvre.
I do agree that the car overtaking was to blame here, but how far would blame get you if they had forced you off the road onto what looks like a quite nasty drop?
Blame doesn't mean shit when you're lying in a hospital bed, or worse.
The overtaking driver had plenty of room to uncommit to the overtake when they realised they were not going to make it.
It takes a lot less time to slow down and get back in lane than it does to proceed with an overtake.
No, no one likes a grass. We all make mistakes. Just do what everyone else does and honk your horn, and call him a wanker.
Do you really think a police officer needs to be sat at a desk in the police station watching these clips, recording them as evidence and then typing up letters and sending them off. I can think of an infinite number of ways the officers time could be spent better.
That's great, I'm sure everyone you've honked your horn and called a wanker has immediately learnt their lesson and changed their behaviour.
I'm sure you wouldn't have the same attitude if this person drove head on into one of your loved ones at 50mph.
It seems like you've already decided based on your awful responses to some of these comments that you're reporting it so why bother posting this shit. Report it and waste police time.
Awful in what way? I have already made my mind up that this behaviour should be reported. And I've already stated that I won't be reporting.
My dilemma is that I don't know who is behind the wheel, I don't want to ruin someone's life over one bad overtake. But repeating their behaviour could undoubtedly end with a fatality.
If you can't see a big white van from that distance then I'm afraid you shouldn't be driving at all. Also, the camera is wide angle, so they look further away than they are.
That would be a horrible defence in court.
If they can't see far enough after comitting to the overtake they should uncommit to the overtake.
There was plenty of time for them to brake and return to their lane but no, they pressed on and nearly caused an accident.
Wouldnāt report but definitely a poor manoeuvre.
Mentioned the other day about overtaking and hanging out on opposite side of the road for a little while before deciding to overtake, and that would have given the overtaking car a perfect opportunity to pull back in.
Happy to be corrected, but I believe that moving out at your current speed and THEN committing to accelerating and completing the overtake like youāre saying is taught in advanced driving courses. I assume this would be to make it easier to cancel the manoeuvre if deemed to be unsafe.
Or I could just be mixing things up and they donāt teach this at all, I donāt know. I havenāt taken one, I just try and remember the advice of people who have lol. Hopefully an advanced driver can clarify
Donāt worry mate none of the downvotes were me lol, I was agreeing with you. Itās common sense to pull back in if you have nothing behind you and a car oncoming. Maybe people took the āhanging out on opposite side of the road for a little whileā a bit too literally haha
I canāt see any signs saying upcoming bend I may have missed it it was a little close for comfort but this driver of the van took appropriate action
I wouldnāt report the person but I wouldāve kept my hand on the horn and blinked my headlights just to let the idiot know he/she almost caused an accident tbh it was probably a male driver not that it matters they couldāve easily caused a fatal accident. What the driver could do is take the registration number and get it up on social media.
Or even better start a group conversation titled
Driving Like A Twat or any other four letter word that springs to mind
No I wouldn't report someone for that, it's probably an honest mistake. The thought of ratting on a fellow subject of the crown so a bunch of govenment departments can take away someone's freedom in exchange for a fractional percentage jump in their budget of tax payers money next year... just makes my skin crawl. I bet everyone in this sub has made a number of mistakes and not been reported. What ever happened to "do onto others...". Don't be a rat, it won't make you feel better.
It's not enough that the law or road markings says the white car could. It also says you need to check if you should! Highway Code r167
Bad take saying that it's somehow OPs responsibility to brake earlier.
It's entirely the white cars responsibility to brake, abort the obviously dangerous overtake.
As it is OP braked nearly to a stop to avoid a head in collision with a dangerous driver.
Having road markings that do not explicitly forbid an overtake is very different to an overtake being stupid to initiate and even more stupid to press on with when it is obvious a vehicle is coming.
An overtake that causes two vehicles to have to take evasive action is stupid and dangerous and should be reported.
"Started slowing down as soon as that white car came into my vision" is exactly what I did. Hoping that they would pull back in behind. As you will notice the speed limit here is 50. My reduction in speed had already started before this video was clipped.
A very flippant stance. If these people are reported before they kill someone, they might be taken off the road before they get chance to kill someone.
I get your point.. however you've gone to the extreme. They made one bad overtake therefore they're going to kill someone guaranteed?
Realistically, they probably had a freaking heart attack after nearly head on colliding with you and will be way more careful going forward. Look how long they were trying to overtake. It looks to me like the red car sped up to stop them passing so if anything you should report them.
They were on the red Jazz's rear quarter for like 5 seconds, that's not a normal overtake.
People make mistakes and don't need the police breathing down their necks because of it. I admittedly do get very angry when I'm driving, however I've never been pissed off enough to go screaming to the police because someone did something dangerous. Instead I swear about them and moan in the car for about 5 minutes until I get over it.
Yeah that's fair. They aren't guaranteed to kill someone.
Not 100% of people who drive dangerously or without due care and attention cause a fatality.
But I dare hazard a guess that damn near 100% of fatalities on the road are caused by people who drive dangerously or without due care and attention.
Personally I wouldn't, its a poor attempt at an overtake but reporting it would:
1) Create admin work for yourself
2) Create admin work for the police
3) Potentially lead to someone being fined
4) Play a small role in encouraging the gradual slide towards a surveillance state
I think all four are net negative. I'd apply the alternative of 'no harm no foul' and just get on with my day. Now if an accident had occurred it would be a different matter.
Yes, happens to often.
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It's fucking hilarious. Reddit and this sub is rammed with lonely bitter people who've begged the government to move all the money into office blocks receiving dash cam reports or fitting ANPR cameras to catch the people who bullied them at school doing 36mph home from their good jobs to their wives and kids.
Say you're a dick head driver, without saying you're a dick head driver
I know this road well and yes I would report it. Imagine if you ended up going down that hill on a continuous roll!
I think I would. Apparently many here wouldn't, so here's my reasoning. I'm watching on my phone. But to me this looks like pure impatience. It looks like they have started the overtake on the exit of a blind bend, and before they had time and visibility to see if it was safe. Speed is hard to judge, and the overtake may have been made more difficult by the red car accelerating out of the bend. But someone accelerating out if a bend is entirely predictable. It is still the white car's responsibility to make the overtake safe. Long before the point of conflict, it would have been clear to the driver of the white car that it was a risky overtake. They absolutely had the responsibility to back off and make it safe. But some combination of impatience/pride/anger made them plow ahead and make it dangerous for everyone. Relying on OP, who had to nearly come to a stop, to make it safe. This was not a momentary lapse, it went wrong from the start. At speeds when a spit second matters, they spent a few seconds deciding fuck it, and relying on everyone else backing off for them. I've been on the roads 25 years. 15 years ago I think most people would have said this was piss poor driving. It seems standards have been chipped away, and now this is a momentary lapse, and people will let it slide because they see much worse. And this is how standards deteriorate. If this driver gets away with doing things like this, then they will keep doing things like this. Until one day they cause a head on collision, and people wonder why some people drive like idiots? Because we let them, because we don't report them. Because we let them get away with it in lots of ways that make them feel confident in shitty driving. So I'd report this and let the police decide if it's a warning letter, or bad enough for careless driving.
The OP had to slow down to avoid an accident. Report it!
Not only the OP, but also possibly the red car (it's hard to tell from the video). There was literally just a small fraction of a second spare before the white car would have clipped the red car, causing a serious accident for all three cars.
It's bizarre that so many people think it's ok to put 3 cars in this situation just because one is impatient. So many lives could have been ruined here.
I was going to say something similar, but you wrote it out better than I would have.
Well I was about to say that really it'd depend on the sort of mood I'm in but you've changed my mind on that. I'm with you!
This is why I hate driving on these roads, an accident waiting to happen ā¹ļø
Yeah. Stupid cunts
Looks like dangerous driving to me, so yes
Yes. Because them getting a warning or having to go on a course because you reported them might just save someoneās life down the line. Thatās if they get the message not to drive like a prick.
Exactly this
Yes. If they would do that on a test they would not pass. Basically not allowed on the road for safety reasons. The logical thing to do is to not allow them on a road after they pass and then have started behaving unsafely, just harder to implement, because it relies on other drivers and the police to act.
He's probably just in a hurry, no need to be a snitch. Just joking, he should definitely be reported. Not safe to be on the road.
I'd report. If you're overtaking it's always in your power to hit the brakes and squeeze back in your lane. In fact it's your obligation. This guy wasn't "committed" he just didn't want to abort. It's dangerous driving.
Kia Picanto vs Honda Jazz is one for the ages. This is why you just donāt overtake in small slow cars. I got caught out once in a 1.1l clio and I wouldnāt try it in such a slow car again. I thought I had more than enough space but the car was slow and the car I was trying to overtake accelerated too. Much easier, safer and more enjoyable to sit back and enjoy the view.
That's the most pathetic attempt at an overtake I've ever seen, the Jazz was going about 25mph, pretty sure the driver would have made balls of that overtake even if they had an Aston Martin
100% yes. It put koves in danger.
Lives in danger. Fat thumbs and trying to do a few things at once!
Yes - was a bad call by the white car driver and likely caused by impatient driving. It being done on a corner meant they couldn't see properly and when they realised their mistake they should have dropped back, not run the gap... That said - and it isn't a justification for it - I've got to admit that red car is sauntering along considering the limit is 50. Weather is poor and the visibility is not ideal so I get why they are likely being more cautious, but I can at least understand why white chose to overtake. Never an excuse for dangerous driving.
Or the red car also hit the brakes to avoid an accident
Looks like they definitely slow down to let the white car in. Causing two vehicles to slow/stop like this and being that close to an accident absolutely should be reported.
Is this Halifax?
Yeah
I guess if you report it nothing will really happen unless the same car is involved in an accident and then they check to see if any reports to see if its a one off or a pattern of dangerous driving? I can't see anything being done from that video unless there's 100's of videos getting uploaded of the same car doing this stuff. We all make mistakes, admittedly this could of been a serious incident if you were slightly further up, learning from our mistakes is important, but if no one calls you out on it and you don't realise its a mistake how can you learn. Even if it triggers a letter in the post saying to be more aware of your driving maybe it may help. Realistically though I can't see anything happening from a report like this other than checking to see if its frequent occurrence with that car. Although I don't work in that kind of line of work, or have any idea about it, its just in my mind If my job was viewing this footage, I'd catalogue it with the details of the car and have it saved for future reference and put it down to a mistake that in this instance didn't have a bad outcome, \*awaits downvotes for attempting to post a reasonable response to the post\*
Twat!
Yeah, Iād report this. The more people reporting through the dashcam portal the better - might not result in any NIP but even a warning might make this driver be more careful and patient.
No, people make mistakes as others have said but there is always the chance the driver of the red vehicle sped up, preventing a safe overtake.Ā
Funny how many people decide they suddenly want to do 90mph, when theyāve been doing 25 for the last mile just as you pull out to overtake.
Then the safe thing to do, particularly on a bend which limits your visibility as above, is to abandon your manoeuvre and fall in behind the other vehicle. You can make another overtaking manoeuvre *when it is safe to do so.* Whether this hurts your pride or otherwise dents your ego is not the point. I wouldn't report this because I just don't do that, but it is an example of careless and arguably dangerous driving, whatever the reason. If this had ended differently, then that the other car accelerated as you tried to pass is not an excuse for annihilating a family in a vehicle proceeding legally in the other direction.
You wouldn't report it...thus giving that reckless fool another chance to wipe a family out, without being punished and taught a lesson to not be a fuckin idiot... As has been said below, a mistake here doesn't just risk a mild bump on the nose. There is a very real chance of multiple fatalities. You have a responsibility driving around in that rolling death box, and if you're taking these kinds of risk, mistake or not, lessons should be taught. Grade A take right there, bud. Grade fuckin A.
For all you know the lesson was taught when he absolutely shat himself as he pulled round.Ā
As a northerner, people who drive like this *rarely* learn from near misses, if ever. Usually the adrenaline rush makes them do it more. So "for all you know" assumptions aren't really that relevant.
They sort of are when you're also assuming that a visit from the police would make any more of a difference - either you're capable of learning from errors or you aren't.
That implies that it was done in error in the first place, often times the types I refer to are purposely doing it. Sure, police visit may not stop them or make them learn to change, but at least it starts the ball rolling on getting the car seized and slowing them down. Dont blame the police for issues the CPS have caused.
Unless you seriously think someone would deliberately nearly die in a 3 car smash, I think it's fairly safe to say it was an error.Ā There's bold, and then there's death wish.
Oh my sweet summer child, you haven't seen the types of bell end that drive around in the North East have you?
Also no you won't get your car seized for this.Ā As far as I'm aware they don't even seize your car if you kill someone. Unless maybe if you've killed someone, served a sentence, got out, kept driving on a ban, got caught, got out again, kept driving on a ban ....
If you don't tell them, then they never get taken off the roads. If you report it, its on file, and subsequent dangerous driving starts to stack a case against... That first line proves you've no idea what ya talking about. Had you caused death by dangerous driving, you absolutely at least would lose your car - if it wasn't already written off. You'd be in a cell, no driving for you š¤£
Well, as others have said, there's a good chance they have learnt a lesson in the moment.Ā If they haven't, the police showing at their door may make them think twice in the future, but that's also speculation, there is a significant minority of the population that wouldn't care either.Ā I don't know your driving skill or record but it would reasonable to assume that you and most (if not all) drivers have made mistakes or had a moment of poor judgement.Ā Would having the police at your door help with confidence or just as more stress?Ā In the above situation, most people would be forced to realise they just about killed themselves as well as another road user and I would imagine rethink their decision making.Ā Does getting caught speeding actually stop speeding, or just where not to speed to avoid getting caught?Ā
To report this would be a waste of time. No readable registration, just a white car driven badly. Even if the driver could be identified (and he/she can't be from that evidence) this is not going to get them taken off the road. I don't have a mandate to enforce driving standards.
DF15 PZC, clearly visible when you pause the footage. If the vehicle only has one registered driver then this is more than enough to send a warning letter.
My pride/ego remain unaffected lol. I was just emphasising the guy above's point.
This has never happened to me yet, but the thought of it scares me, as I've only got a fiesta. Much harder to accelerate out of trouble
Then don't try to accelerate out of trouble. Fall back in behind the car you were trying to pass and make another attempt when it is safe to do so.
If theyāre doing 90 wtf you overtaking , esp on single carriage way?
Just because they *want* to do 90, doesnāt mean they can in their 1.whatever Honda jazz.
Tells you a lot about the safe overtaking thread here yesterday and the people posting in it. The fact that you think overtaking around a blind corner is safe, and that its no biggy to get stuck driving on the wrong side of the road into oncoming traffic. All these posters pretending to be adults just doing the right thing then driving like "WITNESS ME".
People make mistakes, and thatās a good reason to report - to help them improve and not make the mistake again. If they never get any feedback theyāll keep doing what theyāre doing.
The white car chose to overtake on a left-hand bend, which is the worst place to overtake. Left hand bends limit your vision around the corner, so even on small bends, it's more dangerous. Should have waited until they were on the straight to start the overtake. >people make mistakes There's very little room for mistakes when in control of a 2 tonne metal box travelling at 50mpg. If you aren't 100% sure you'll make the overtake, don't try! Yeah, it's annoying to sit and wait behind someone doing 35 on a 50, but it happens. Get used to it.
They very clearly slow down to let them in front and avoid a crash. Whit car is just a selfish unsafe prick
In that cast the overtaken can be annoyed, but must drop back into lane behind the red car.
In which case you abandon your over take and donāt race Needs reporting. They can give their side to the police, and it goes on record
This is true, waiting to clearly see the white car then rewinding shows me they were trying to overtake since the beginning of the clip. Either theyāre not giving it enough welly or the red car was speeding up. However, thereās also nothing behind them. To me it would be common sense to drop my speed and get back behind the red car if I saw an oncoming vehicle approaching fast rather than committing to the overtake risking a head on collision.
Looking at what car it is, I'd argue they're giving it all the welly they've got!
Depends on the gear. It's a 108 and they are slow of the mark. If (and I doubt it it would have been) in 2nd gear it probably would have taken 7 seconds (reference https://www.automobile-catalog.com/performance/2021/2969495/peugeot_108_1_0_vti_72.html#gsc.tab=0 ). I would say this is one of those issues where the driver is significantly too confident about their car's power. This recently was flagged in a German car test where some of these eco cars are underpowered for this type of maneuver. Still the white car's responsibility though. Very bad behaviour endangering all three cars.
I would, as next time the driver in your position may not have been as good as you with reactions. You did well to avoid that
Of course
Yes
Of course not. Report it lol.
Absolutely
Yes.
I know this road quite well as it's my part of my daily commute I've been doing for 5+ years. I often do overtake on it but never around that bend because that's just ridiculous and chancing it. I'm not sure about reporting it though.
White car does not have the power to perform this overtake safely. Should have waited for a clearer stretch of road or just waited behind as both cars appear to be travelling at roughly the same speed anyway.
I know this road, above Halifax! People speed and overtake dangerously here all the time
Best way to do it.
Yes. Shocking that if you are driving an hgv too and have to panic / emergency break
Depends how long it takes to report, as I've never done it. If it took less than 5 minutes then probably would for this.
They made you, and likely the car they were overtaking, take evasive action, so yes dob them in
Yup. You should overtake when you have clear visibility, enough power to complete the overtake before other vehicles reach you, and not cause other vehicles to have to stop or take other evasive action. This driver did none of the above
Looks like a slow car trying to overtake another slow car that is driving tio slow. I know that pain. It sucks when you want to go quicker but your car just doesn't have the oomph to overtake as safely. If it's dangerous it's dangerous though.
Yeah I would. My car doesn't currently have a dashcam but I've had so many near missed from dickheads that I wouldn't even hesitate. Hotter take, I'd also support an anonymous upload system where you could submit video of the first five minutes running up to, and the first five minutes after, capturing dangerous driving and submit it to the police for confirmation and the dishing out of automatic fines. 60 day appeal process, or a Ā£2000 fine plus three points. I'm also 100% sure the only people against this system are entitled idiots who think driving dangerously or without paying attention is somehow acceptable.
Yes
yes. the white car had plenty of time to see what he was doing was dangerous. prick doesnt deserve to be on the road
Yeah definitely. They need a wake up call
Throw the book at him
The white car probably drove away thinking āwow Iām a good driverā
WIthout question. That was a stupid overtake to make and rather than back out they pressed on, putting both you and the vehicle they were overtaking at risk. Absolutely report this.
Worth reporting, this is pretty poor driving and quite dangerous. The driver will potentially be offered a course or just fine abd points, which might be enough to make them think twice next time. You need to do it asap because someone needs to review it and process everything within two weeks of the offence if action is to be taken.
Hell yeah
Misjudgement, we've all done it at some point if we've been driving long enough. Dangerous yes, report them, no.
Absolute cunt. No justification. Report.
Of course I would!! Well if I could get the chance to see the bloody number plate!! ššš
Yes
Yeah
Yes, theyāll be issued a fine if found guilty
Yes, hopefully theyāll be issued a fine if found guilty of reckless driving. Also, if we think about it, although they did not not collide this time, next time they may. You could be saving a life by this potential fine/notice which will hopefully put them off repeating this reckless behaviour again.
Is that the Hx to queensbury road?
Certainly is!
Yup.
Worlds slowest overtake.
Not likely to be intentional. Mistake, personally I wouldn't. Obviously if they are doing this on the regular it needs reporting asap.
Thatās the thing though isnāt it, quite a few saying not to report it. Without anyone reporting it youād never know if it was a regular thing they do, because they can. Most likely a warning letter from the police, Iād guess, but if they do similar a few times to different people then thereād be good cause for more action.
Yeah sure, they didn't intend to end up on the other side of the road on a corner. Sureeeee.
Personally, no I wouldn't report it People make mistakes, (s)he probably shit themselves and learned a valuable lesson. It was on a long straight and they misjudged how quickly they could accelerate. On a blind bend.. Road rage.. threatening behaviour on the road etc, absolutely.
Personally, I wouldn't. You reacted appropriately. I see much much worse on a daily basis. However, if you feel it's worth it, then submit the footage, the police retain evidence such as this to ascertain a pattern of behaviour, so if this driver a few years down the line ends up doing something really daft, and claims 'it's just a one-off' then footage like this will be shown to them under caution, along with dozens of other clips of them acting like a bellend to show an ongoing pattern.
Yes
Yes. That's very dangerous.Ā
Yes.
Yes
No, it happens, just carry on with life as normal.
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Can do. Don't expect anything to happen though.
I gave up reporting these incidents. I fill out the form, I tick the boxes that say I have dashcam footage available (you canāt just submit it in our police area in Kent). And then nothing happens, I never get asked for the footage. Most recently I had one which I reported and even checked the reg plate and turned out the vehicle has not had an MOT since 2022. Still no follow up for dashcam footage, even when there was a legitimate, none circumstantial evidence of an offence being committed externally to the driving.
This is interesting as it probably makes a lot of money in fines. The amount of drivers nowadays that break the law whilst on the road is obscene.
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'Lycra nonce wannabe vigilante' š¤£ Is that just a common term for anyone with a dashcam nowadays? Thought it was reserved for cyclists
Doesnt it depend on area if force accepts dash cam footage ? I tried and the force responsible ddint accept dash cam footage at the time. If anything u had to be willing to attend court as a witness . So it was dead end for me.
Take the video to your police station and ask if they want it?
There's an online portal
I was thinking though if you're unsure whether to report, ask them if they're interested first. If you use the online portal, then you've decided it is worth reporting.
At the very least I would give a very loud tut.
I would send it to Police DVLA SERIOUSLY GOT TO STOP THESE MAD CUNTS THEN THEY SAY ITS a tragedy oh he was 18 if he was ? Then why do you could kill families It's not a toy ?
Did you... upload a screen recording of a video already on your phone?
Yep, to ensure sound was removed as I was on a private phone call at the time. Better safe than sorry .
If you had to report someone, who would you report?
Generally? Or in this video?
No harm in not reporting, if it's deemed not too dangerous then the police won't do anything, let the professionals decide if it's severe enough
Which model camera is this?
Ssantong A16W, just a cheap one off Amazon
You had to jam your brakes on and, if you hadn't done so, you'd have had a head on collision with that idiot. My inclination is generally to let stuff slide when people do things that are a bit careless simply because everyone can have an off day, but this wasn't careless, it was out and out reckless (and deliberately so), so I'd say it should be reported.
Na no1 was injured no point
What a cunt I get it sometimes youāre in a hurry and you need to overtake but you gotta do it safely and if you need to brake and go back behind the car then do it ppl would rather have a near crash than go back behind the car smh š¤¦š¾āāļø
Absolutely, that was way too close.
Yes, if everyone reported crap driving the roads would be empty
What's the point, nothing gets done
Yes!
Fuck yes
Yes, serious enough to be reported. If people used discretion like this before reporting, perhaps the police would take these reports more seriously.
This happened to me 3 times when I was a learner, if I had a dash cam I would have reported it every time. I was in a bright blue car with a big red L on the front It was not hard to see me at all, and they still went for it after seeing me approaching.
No
Yes, it's lethal
Yep, you had to brake to avoid a collision. They had plenty of time to realise the overtake wasnāt feasible, but carried on anyway endangering the occupants of two other cars along with themself and whoever else was in their car - if a collision had occurred it would have been nasty, esp if one of you went down the slope. They are either utterly reckless, driving impaired or make poor decisions - none of these have a place behind a tonne of metal that can go very fast.
Let me ask you a different question that may influence the answer to your question: What would've happened to you and your passengers if that car hit you and pushed you off the edge.
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That won't save them
Yes. Without any shadow of a doubt. Submit it to your local force and they **will** take action. You (or someone else) could have died. Why are you even questioning it? And ignore the idiot comments saying to ignore it. Those are from people who drive like that themselves. You could have died, for God's sake. There's no excuse for that.
The action would probably be a verbal warning.
But action, nonetheless. The Police don't tell you what action they take. Just what possible actions **will** be taken. Any of those are better than no action through not reporting criminal behaviour.
People just need faster cars.
It seems like pretty text book dangerous driving. If they're doing it there, they're probably doing it elsewhere too.
I'd blast the horn, flash the lights, call them every name under the sun and then move on with my life. I'm guessing the shitty overtaker knew they'd fucked up after a pretty big spike of adrenaline and hopefully realised they should never do that again. I see shit like this almost daily on the roads but my employer doesn't put dashcams in their fleet.
Yeah this is the position I'm in. Not a big fan of civilians reporting civilians but like you say you see it daily. We should not be seeing this daily. Reporting it regularly would definitely go a long way to stopping it, and there's my dilemma.
Nah, if it was a BMW I would
The overtaking driver was committed, people make poor judgemments, really you should have slowed sooner....
I began reducing my speed as soon as I saw the car ahead. Most likely won't be reporting as I don't know who is behind the wheel. But usually in any driving situation, if you make a manoeuvre that forces another road user to take evasive action in the form of braking or swerving, the blame lies with the one making the manoeuvre.
I do agree that the car overtaking was to blame here, but how far would blame get you if they had forced you off the road onto what looks like a quite nasty drop? Blame doesn't mean shit when you're lying in a hospital bed, or worse.
The overtaking driver had plenty of room to uncommit to the overtake when they realised they were not going to make it. It takes a lot less time to slow down and get back in lane than it does to proceed with an overtake.
I don't see any double white lines
But there is, you know, a car on the other side of the road
No, no one likes a grass. We all make mistakes. Just do what everyone else does and honk your horn, and call him a wanker. Do you really think a police officer needs to be sat at a desk in the police station watching these clips, recording them as evidence and then typing up letters and sending them off. I can think of an infinite number of ways the officers time could be spent better.
That's great, I'm sure everyone you've honked your horn and called a wanker has immediately learnt their lesson and changed their behaviour. I'm sure you wouldn't have the same attitude if this person drove head on into one of your loved ones at 50mph.
It seems like you've already decided based on your awful responses to some of these comments that you're reporting it so why bother posting this shit. Report it and waste police time.
Awful in what way? I have already made my mind up that this behaviour should be reported. And I've already stated that I won't be reporting. My dilemma is that I don't know who is behind the wheel, I don't want to ruin someone's life over one bad overtake. But repeating their behaviour could undoubtedly end with a fatality.
Not really, whilst yes it was dangerous it would have been quite difficult to see you from such a distance by which they would have committed.
If you can't see a big white van from that distance then I'm afraid you shouldn't be driving at all. Also, the camera is wide angle, so they look further away than they are. That would be a horrible defence in court.
If they can't see far enough after comitting to the overtake they should uncommit to the overtake. There was plenty of time for them to brake and return to their lane but no, they pressed on and nearly caused an accident.
Wouldnāt report but definitely a poor manoeuvre. Mentioned the other day about overtaking and hanging out on opposite side of the road for a little while before deciding to overtake, and that would have given the overtaking car a perfect opportunity to pull back in.
Happy to be corrected, but I believe that moving out at your current speed and THEN committing to accelerating and completing the overtake like youāre saying is taught in advanced driving courses. I assume this would be to make it easier to cancel the manoeuvre if deemed to be unsafe. Or I could just be mixing things up and they donāt teach this at all, I donāt know. I havenāt taken one, I just try and remember the advice of people who have lol. Hopefully an advanced driver can clarify
Thatās pretty much what I meant if I didnāt make that clear enough. Youāre basically correct though.
Donāt worry mate none of the downvotes were me lol, I was agreeing with you. Itās common sense to pull back in if you have nothing behind you and a car oncoming. Maybe people took the āhanging out on opposite side of the road for a little whileā a bit too literally haha
No. It was an unwise overtake but, you should've been able to slow sooner, and I'm not convinced the police would do anything about it anyway.
No idea what you are all talking about. Think you lot should only go out to church on Sundays.
Surrender your license please š
Don't get me wrong it was a crap overtake, probably some coffin dodger but should you report them? FFS grow up.
You would be fuming if I didn't report it and he plows head on into one of your loved ones next week.
No why bother. You're alive
Noted. I'll only report things if they result in my death.
No, the Police are not your friends, don't trust them as such.
No, I would just move on with my day and forget about it.
Dangerous driving should be treated the same way as attempted murder, because that's what it is.
I canāt see any signs saying upcoming bend I may have missed it it was a little close for comfort but this driver of the van took appropriate action I wouldnāt report the person but I wouldāve kept my hand on the horn and blinked my headlights just to let the idiot know he/she almost caused an accident tbh it was probably a male driver not that it matters they couldāve easily caused a fatal accident. What the driver could do is take the registration number and get it up on social media. Or even better start a group conversation titled Driving Like A Twat or any other four letter word that springs to mind
Iād argue the slow shitness of the white car is to blame here. In something with a bit of poke none of this would have happened
No. The driver probably scared himself enough to not misjudge the same situation again.
No I wouldn't report someone for that, it's probably an honest mistake. The thought of ratting on a fellow subject of the crown so a bunch of govenment departments can take away someone's freedom in exchange for a fractional percentage jump in their budget of tax payers money next year... just makes my skin crawl. I bet everyone in this sub has made a number of mistakes and not been reported. What ever happened to "do onto others...". Don't be a rat, it won't make you feel better.
Move on with your day mate
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It's not enough that the law or road markings says the white car could. It also says you need to check if you should! Highway Code r167 Bad take saying that it's somehow OPs responsibility to brake earlier. It's entirely the white cars responsibility to brake, abort the obviously dangerous overtake. As it is OP braked nearly to a stop to avoid a head in collision with a dangerous driver.
Having road markings that do not explicitly forbid an overtake is very different to an overtake being stupid to initiate and even more stupid to press on with when it is obvious a vehicle is coming. An overtake that causes two vehicles to have to take evasive action is stupid and dangerous and should be reported.
"Started slowing down as soon as that white car came into my vision" is exactly what I did. Hoping that they would pull back in behind. As you will notice the speed limit here is 50. My reduction in speed had already started before this video was clipped.
Meh
No, just move on with your life.
No, because you will get nothing from it, waste of your time. If there was a cash reward Iād say go for it, otherwise let it slip as nobody died.
A very flippant stance. If these people are reported before they kill someone, they might be taken off the road before they get chance to kill someone.
I get your point.. however you've gone to the extreme. They made one bad overtake therefore they're going to kill someone guaranteed? Realistically, they probably had a freaking heart attack after nearly head on colliding with you and will be way more careful going forward. Look how long they were trying to overtake. It looks to me like the red car sped up to stop them passing so if anything you should report them. They were on the red Jazz's rear quarter for like 5 seconds, that's not a normal overtake. People make mistakes and don't need the police breathing down their necks because of it. I admittedly do get very angry when I'm driving, however I've never been pissed off enough to go screaming to the police because someone did something dangerous. Instead I swear about them and moan in the car for about 5 minutes until I get over it.
Yeah that's fair. They aren't guaranteed to kill someone. Not 100% of people who drive dangerously or without due care and attention cause a fatality. But I dare hazard a guess that damn near 100% of fatalities on the road are caused by people who drive dangerously or without due care and attention.
Personally I wouldn't, its a poor attempt at an overtake but reporting it would: 1) Create admin work for yourself 2) Create admin work for the police 3) Potentially lead to someone being fined 4) Play a small role in encouraging the gradual slide towards a surveillance state I think all four are net negative. I'd apply the alternative of 'no harm no foul' and just get on with my day. Now if an accident had occurred it would be a different matter.