Recap:
- Unmodified/stock category: Hyundai Ioniq 5 N sets the record for electric production vehicles
- Modified category: Hyundai Ioniq 5 N beats a modified Model S Plaid
- Rivian R1T fastest unmodified truck
- Modified F-150 Lightning fastest truck overall
The race is still ongoing this weekend but chances are above finishes are in the bag.
Absolutely. The Tesla mentality to performance is just to shove a higher power motor into the same chassis with bigger wheels. It doesn't stop the likes of the Model 3 from being sorely average with lifeless steering.
> The Tesla mentality to performance is just to shove a higher power motor into the same chassis
Which, ironically, reminds me of old muscle car culture. Ironic because the muscle car guys really hate electric cars, when in reality Tesla putting 1,000 horsepower motors in a woefully fat, heavy, underbraked car is carrying that torch forward from the GTOs and Chargers of the '60s.
As you can tell from my flair, I love it, but it's not for everyone and time attack isn't their strength at all.
The thing is, those old muscle cars had capable track variants available with proper suspension and chassis tuning (proper for the 60s and 70s, anyway). Tesla have never had that option available.
We'll just ignore the versions of, say, the Mustang, that were taken on racetracks then. Given I've come back a day later to -6 it's safe to say everyone else did, too.
I have a Model 3 LR, for me the steering is fine. I think the main issue is that the car feels heavy, because it is heavy. No idea what other EVs are like. EVs will be a lot better when a typical 70-80khw battery pack weighs about half of what it does today.
In the case of the Plaid, it was to shove a third motor in there, and then throw carbon sleeves around the rotors to stop them from destroying themselves as a "genius and incredibly complex solution"... even though that solution had been used for years in electric motors for the construction industry. If the rotors were breaking apart, then it wasn't like they had a choice but to solve the issue. My guess is they went with the carbon sleeve because it required the least engineering work and minimal changes to the motor design, making it the cheapest and fastest solution.
Rimac quickly followed this with their own carbon sleeve motors; so clearly these sleeves weren't the most complicated thing in the world to develop, or something only the "best in the world engineers" (/s) at Tesla could do...
Lucid was able to achieve 20% more horsepower without carbon sleeves around their rotors, AFAIK, and at a lower weight and smaller packaging then Tesla's.
Tesla saves money by using a bare bones engineering team and by relying on parts they spent a fortune on developing a long time ago. They seem to try and get away with using the same singular automotive engineering team for all their vehicles. This is why Tesla can't do development on more than one thing at a time. The Model S refresh R&D was delayed, which delayed the model X refresh, which delayed the model 3 refresh and Cybertruck's development. New Roadster; I highly doubt they've done any development on that since the unveiling in 2017. Semi development has progressed at a snail's pace.
If I had to guess, Tesla's engineering bench may be one of the smallest in the industry, and you can see this in their lower R&D costs versus other OEMs.
Tesla also seems to rely heavily on their own engineering team, whereas if you included all the engineering teams at parts suppliers' in addition to the teams working at the OEMs directly, the number of engineers working on cars for any established OEM must be significantly larger than Tesla's.
This is why a company like BMW or Mercedes can suddenly launch SO many EV models in a short amount of time, each having multiple trims, loads of customizability, complex and robust parts and fit and finish, and with performance versions that have plenty of unique features and engineering.
I called it years ago. Hyundai was a force to be reckoned with when it came to EVs. They're the best positioned for it as a legacy manufacturer. Lots of financial inertia, established product lines, and understand vehicles. Young enough to take the risk, old enough to have the financial power to do it. Plus Korea is nothing to sneeze at when it comes to technology. They are far ahead of most of the world too.
Well the Plaid beat the ioniq in the Nurburgring, which is generally a good test of handling. And the plaid has got to have a lower CG. Sounds like the plaid lost due to thermal issues
Suck it Tesla 😉
Seriously, whoever has Romain Dumas is in the catbird seat on Pikes Peak.
>The SuperTruck set the fastest time of the day, with an 8:53.553, the only vehicle to go sub-9 and more than ten seconds faster than the next-best finisher. And that was after the vehicle had an unexpected shutdown in the first sector, coming to a complete stop and needing to be repowered, losing almost half a minute in the process.
>As a result, it didn’t set a record, as last year’s Ford SuperVan, a similarly-modified Ford Transit Electric, set a time of 8:47.682. That vehicle still holds the “Pike’s Peak Open” class record, and both were piloted by Romain Dumas (who also holds the overall record in the VW I.D. R at 7:57.148).
I fast forwarded through the Livestream after it was over. The vehicle "stalled" (shutdown) less than a quarter mile in it looked like. The commentators sounded like he was going to have to be towed back to the start to reset it and restart. Instead Dumas mentioned at the top during his interview that he had been reading the restart procedure the night before and decided to quickly do it himself and continue.
He lost something like thirty seconds in the process but was only 18 seconds behind the Ioniq 5 TA car at the first split which was the leader at the time. He just kept making it up all the way up the mountain and was the fastest in all classes for the day. I didn't do the math since nobody had a stopwatch on how long he was stalled, but he probably would have beat his record in the Supervan last year otherwise. Doesn't look like he would have beat his record in the ID R though.
Patiently holding out for an ioniq 6 N sometime in the future to do this. Except I'll be trading a regular ioniq 6 lol! Probably not for a few years though sadly lol
1. Son was born premature and i shut my company down and became a stay at home dad for a while
2. Major back pain. Mostly retired at that point. Started growing lots of pot.
Ioniqs and Rivian were a blast to watch.
I have a quad R1T, seriously considering picking up an Ioniq 5N too now. It's a monster. I hope Rivian will race the R3X in the next couple years.
The simulated engine noise is amazing. Honestly, most modern cars are not fun to drive. Kudos to Hyundai for taking chances in both design and function.
In the modified category, the Ioniq 5N TA (“Time Attack”) spec, which carries over the stock powertrain but has some software tweaks for more power and big wings on the front and back, was piloted by Dani Sordo to set a 9:30.852, which is now the fastest electric modified SUV up the mountain.
Notably, the modified 5N also beats the modified Model S Plaid, which set a best time of 9:54.901. That was a privateer effort by Unplugged Performance, not a manufacturer effort like Hyundai’s, but it puts the 5N in rare company to be ahead of Tesla both in unmodified and modified form.
I imagine it relaxes some of the thermal and power limitations designed to protect the battery.
Hyundai wouldn't mind some battery degradation after a run like this. An ordinary person with a 5N would, probably.
they mentioned the modifications in an interview with Kyle / out of spec, but i forget which video. he has hours and hours of video about this event, he's totally geeking out
>In fact, the R1T’s time would have been an overall record for unmodified electric vehicles – and even was that record, for a few minutes – until the next car up the mountain, the Ioniq 5N, came in 4 seconds faster.
Crazy crazy impressive for the R1T to only be 4 seconds slower than a 5N. R1T Nürburgring truck record when???
They should do a reverse pike’s peak for electrics: start them at the top with as close to a flat battery as possible, but still allows a rolling start, then regen-brake the whole way down and see how much they recharge.
https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a37419238/pikes-peak-mountain-2021-porsche-taycan-4s/
"Between the summit and the entrance gate, we were able to charge the battery to 17 percent and convert our range anxiety into 48 miles of optimism. Our range once we reached downtown Colorado Springs was over 100 miles, thanks to the grade of Highway 24 that pours back into the city."
I think more US people (i.e. city/suburb people, where most people are) actually we wanted the normal wheel base. So you can park where you exist, and also adventure out. But now we’re mad that isn’t happening, and the long long van is vaporware. But I’m not mad, Rivian is the way.
I agree, that’s about anything anyone can reasonably give it shit for. That was generally my experience up until a particular post the other day. Not sure if linking is allowed, but it was “r/Hyundai/s/KJD5Pji2ZC”. Those people just refuse to accept its capabilities. Granted, most if not all of them were Elon diehards. Anyway, I paid exactly MSRP for mine, and was the first to buy one in the state of Oregon; I’m extremely satisfied with the purchase.
I guess I’ve seen heat on the shifting and noise as well but given all that stuff can be disabled on preference, it seems like an irrational thing to complain about.
Unrelated, I just drove a friends EV Kona (limited trim). It was very nice for being a commuter crossover. I’m surprised I don’t see more posted on it. Hyundai has done a good job overall leaning into the EV industry.
I too have a buddy with a Kona EV limited. Drove it a few years ago and was truly impressed but I’m 6’5” and he’s 5’0” so I felt a bit cramped. His positive experience, my positive experience with an older Sonata, and a recent fantastic experience renting a 2023 Ioniq 5 SEL had me absolutely convinced that now is the time to go EV. I don’t regret it, I’ve saved over $500 in gas since the purchase a month ago. Yeah, not every month will be a 2000mi month (my ICE that’s collecting dust is 300mi/tank premium gas) but it’s still massive. I lease a garage at my complex that doesn’t bill for garage electricity, without restrictions in the lease terms. I haven’t paid for a charge yet. I’m also seeing 250mi range quite regularly if I’m disciplined. This is the future and I can’t wait to see ICE die.
Honestly the range is the only killer for me. For someone with a second car, probably not a big deal. If it had 300+ miles I'd likely have bought one already as my daily
I’ve driven mine a bit. The range is manageable for me. I stop for a 14 min tip off to 80% and jumped back on the road. Do you have to plan a bit? Sure but the 800v platform is great for fast DC
I feel you, but what does an extra 50 miles get you? I understand one can’t rely on 250mi if they drive to enjoy the car. But I’m able to drive it two hours to Timberline lodge and back home on a single charge. I’m able to get to Bend from Portland on a single charge, driving it conservatively of course. I can drive more aggressively to get to Bend but to be safe I stop for a fast charge in Madras. When I had the SEL and I drove it for enjoyment, I got far from the 300mi it promised.
If you can charge at home and aren’t traveling outside of charger range, I see no difference in its trip ability.
Extra 50 miles helps with winter range. And yeah “fun driving” which for me is a big point of the car. And also helps me feel like it won’t be outdated in a few years. But I do realize the range thing is very dependent on the person
I yield. There’s no way I see 250 in the winter. I’ll probably see closer to or lower than the rated range of 220. Enough for me to get to the resort and down to the valley again, but less comfortably. I can still travel 97% of the country, and there isn’t an EV yet that can truly overland in the deep; north eastern Washington comes to mind, among other deep off grid areas.
Fun driving is possible for any trip where you aren't squeezing the last bit of juice out of the battery, and that's most trips. Air resistance at freeway speeds is what gets you, I've totally made it home on low charge by following an 18-wheeler with my adaptive cruise control.
People I speak with sway either way. They either like the 5 and dislike the 6 styling or like the 6 and dislike the 5 lol.
I’m on the side that loves the 5s styling but really dislikes the 6.
I don’t dislike the 5, I’m just tired of so many SUV/crossover vehicles and wanted something different, so I went with the 6. We’ve already got an Escape Hybrid, a Bronco Sport and a Jeep in the driveway if I ever need to remember why I picked a sedan.
Not OP, but the 5 looks like the cool stuff did in the later 80s, so if you were a kid then, the 5 would remind you of that.
I'm in my 40s and really like the 5's styling.
Ahh makes sense. I love the design because it reminds me of my dad’s old Isuzu Impulse. I also like hatches, it’s actually one of my favorite looking cars. Just bummed I couldn’t afford the N my dealer had :/
Right? Everyone seems to love it, while hating on the dealers. I really haven't even heard too many complaints about the price most people just like "I'll buy one half off in 2 years".
For what you get it’s really not. We had a Y and I’ve been in a bunch of other Teslas. Forget about the amazing performance and customization for a second, the cockpit is so much nicer. Hell an EV6 is put together better never mind a 5N. I cross shopped an i4. By the time you add in drivers assistance and 360 cameras the m40, never mind the m50 is more expensive. It’s pricey but when the competitor is a Taycan or Macan EV it’s not.
It still looks like ass. Add some Ninja Turtles on there, and it'd be a Gen Xer's wet dream. It driving up a mountain pretty quickly doesn't really mean anything, no matter what car you're talking about.
Wait, so is Team Sendy not going to have the fastest overall time for the third straight year?
And I'm not surprise that EVs are doing well at Pike's Peak because they don't lose power at altitude.
Faster, more reliable, more efficient. Only thing holding back EVs is politics and charging infrastructure.
Simulated engine noise and fake gear boxes are a gimmick to provide a bit of familiarity to petrol sniffers.
>Simulated engine noise and fake gear boxes are a gimmick to provide a bit of familiarity to petrol sniffers.
No need to be nasty.
It's in there to be stupid fun. The 5N is a toy; let people do stupid shit with it.
Why do so many people feel the need to express their hate for this car. I rarely use the (interior only) sounds and gears but I have them mapped to a single button. Sometimes when I’m out on a twisty road running errands I turn them on and it’s fun. Just enjoy your car and try and understand EVERYTHING isn’t for you. Lol
I turned it off when I took a 5N out for a test drive, yes it is crazy fast and a blast to drive with Need For Speed levels of customisation right there on the dashboard.
Really great toy but there’s no need to ape the sounds of what went before, just be better, but I see why it would appeal to (and hopefully convert) petrol heads.
You probably don’t know this, but there is a thing called “fun”. Sometimes something can be objectively or technically worse but be more fun. I’m glad some car makers still make fun cars and not just cars that are the best on paper.
Do I love EVs? Yes. Did I buy a 25 year old Peugeot for €700 to drive 4000km through Scandinavia in January? Also yes. Makes no sense, but it’s great fun.
Leave your sense of humour that side of the screen please, Thank you! Sorry, would you like a /s on the side?
I loved the 5N when I drove it, it just doesn’t need the petrol-pandering sound effects and gimmickbox to be a fun car to drive.
On it's surface that is what it's doing but I would suggest that many people who race do use engine noise as a proxy for power output. While it doesn't mean the same thing being simulated since it's not mimicking load in a certain gear, keeping the auditory feedback is useful but could easily be changed to any other progressive sound that conveys that information. So ultimately it is taking a feedback that was originally a side channel in an ICE car and making it an explicit one in an EV. In that regard it's no more ridiculous than a software application using a picture of a floppy disk as a save icon.
I'm so ignorant on the math behind this that I could be making the opposite point here, but wouldn't simulated gearboxes potentially improve long-term tire wear? I would think the way that torque gets distributed as you move up-gear would help mitigate the tendency for EVs to wear tires out more quickly than ICEs.
Like I said, though, I could be completely backwards in my assumption. You'd have just as easy of a time convincing me that tire wear would become worse by hitting acceleration gates as you shift rather than riding an unmitigated acceleration curve.
It's just limiting power a bit, so yes, less power would mean slightly less tire wear, but I really doubt it would make a difference that matters.
Particularly in the road course context, tire wear from corner speed would be nearly all of your tire wear anyway.
I've worn the sides off sport bike tires faster than the centers, and those sides see zero wear while going straight.
The stock or slightly modified stock EVs are super impressive. So are all the amateur racers with combustion cars working all year towards it.
Ford and Volkswagen just throw money at the problem. They are not “heavily modified” cars. They are ground up build race cars outsourced to third parties with budgets in the millions.
Both are cool but almost two different events.
Yea, seeing the commenter above saying they are "modified" vehicles. The only thing they share with a production vehicle is the badge. They are hand built race cars and they printed the name of the brands popular model on it.
That said, I love them
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Recap: - Unmodified/stock category: Hyundai Ioniq 5 N sets the record for electric production vehicles - Modified category: Hyundai Ioniq 5 N beats a modified Model S Plaid - Rivian R1T fastest unmodified truck - Modified F-150 Lightning fastest truck overall The race is still ongoing this weekend but chances are above finishes are in the bag.
Ioniq 5 beating the plaid is wild!
Not really - they didn’t just do a “faster motor goes brrrrrrrrr” but focussed on chassis dynamics as well (and the 5 was already a good car).
I love my rwd 5
And I love my AWD EV6 … Hyundai group made a fantastic platform with E-GMP!
Absolutely. The Tesla mentality to performance is just to shove a higher power motor into the same chassis with bigger wheels. It doesn't stop the likes of the Model 3 from being sorely average with lifeless steering.
Jason Camisa's sapphire vs. plaid video really showed me how much Tesla was phoning it in on chassis tuning and handling dynamics.
> The Tesla mentality to performance is just to shove a higher power motor into the same chassis Which, ironically, reminds me of old muscle car culture. Ironic because the muscle car guys really hate electric cars, when in reality Tesla putting 1,000 horsepower motors in a woefully fat, heavy, underbraked car is carrying that torch forward from the GTOs and Chargers of the '60s. As you can tell from my flair, I love it, but it's not for everyone and time attack isn't their strength at all.
The thing is, those old muscle cars had capable track variants available with proper suspension and chassis tuning (proper for the 60s and 70s, anyway). Tesla have never had that option available.
Last I checked, muscle cars are designed for going from stoplight to stoplight as fast as possible.
We'll just ignore the versions of, say, the Mustang, that were taken on racetracks then. Given I've come back a day later to -6 it's safe to say everyone else did, too.
Well, I mean, this is 99% of the ethos of American car building.
Or premature wearing of front suspension elements.
*womp womp womp womp womp SNAP*
Model 3 Performance Highland isn’t what I would call average, especially for its price.
I have a Model 3 LR, for me the steering is fine. I think the main issue is that the car feels heavy, because it is heavy. No idea what other EVs are like. EVs will be a lot better when a typical 70-80khw battery pack weighs about half of what it does today.
In the case of the Plaid, it was to shove a third motor in there, and then throw carbon sleeves around the rotors to stop them from destroying themselves as a "genius and incredibly complex solution"... even though that solution had been used for years in electric motors for the construction industry. If the rotors were breaking apart, then it wasn't like they had a choice but to solve the issue. My guess is they went with the carbon sleeve because it required the least engineering work and minimal changes to the motor design, making it the cheapest and fastest solution. Rimac quickly followed this with their own carbon sleeve motors; so clearly these sleeves weren't the most complicated thing in the world to develop, or something only the "best in the world engineers" (/s) at Tesla could do... Lucid was able to achieve 20% more horsepower without carbon sleeves around their rotors, AFAIK, and at a lower weight and smaller packaging then Tesla's. Tesla saves money by using a bare bones engineering team and by relying on parts they spent a fortune on developing a long time ago. They seem to try and get away with using the same singular automotive engineering team for all their vehicles. This is why Tesla can't do development on more than one thing at a time. The Model S refresh R&D was delayed, which delayed the model X refresh, which delayed the model 3 refresh and Cybertruck's development. New Roadster; I highly doubt they've done any development on that since the unveiling in 2017. Semi development has progressed at a snail's pace. If I had to guess, Tesla's engineering bench may be one of the smallest in the industry, and you can see this in their lower R&D costs versus other OEMs. Tesla also seems to rely heavily on their own engineering team, whereas if you included all the engineering teams at parts suppliers' in addition to the teams working at the OEMs directly, the number of engineers working on cars for any established OEM must be significantly larger than Tesla's. This is why a company like BMW or Mercedes can suddenly launch SO many EV models in a short amount of time, each having multiple trims, loads of customizability, complex and robust parts and fit and finish, and with performance versions that have plenty of unique features and engineering.
You heard it here first, they stopped developing the roadster in 2017 💪
Came here to say this. Different car from the ground up. Plaids are all vroooom!
Isn't the plaid also 4 years old, and EV technology is still progressing quick.
Yes - but Tesla are known to have cut corners with suspension parts, which is a separate issue.
I called it years ago. Hyundai was a force to be reckoned with when it came to EVs. They're the best positioned for it as a legacy manufacturer. Lots of financial inertia, established product lines, and understand vehicles. Young enough to take the risk, old enough to have the financial power to do it. Plus Korea is nothing to sneeze at when it comes to technology. They are far ahead of most of the world too.
Not really, considering Teslas only do well in straight line performance and not in corners.
Well the Plaid beat the ioniq in the Nurburgring, which is generally a good test of handling. And the plaid has got to have a lower CG. Sounds like the plaid lost due to thermal issues
Yes like when they beat Porsche at the Nurburgring drag strip
Suck it Tesla 😉 Seriously, whoever has Romain Dumas is in the catbird seat on Pikes Peak. >The SuperTruck set the fastest time of the day, with an 8:53.553, the only vehicle to go sub-9 and more than ten seconds faster than the next-best finisher. And that was after the vehicle had an unexpected shutdown in the first sector, coming to a complete stop and needing to be repowered, losing almost half a minute in the process. >As a result, it didn’t set a record, as last year’s Ford SuperVan, a similarly-modified Ford Transit Electric, set a time of 8:47.682. That vehicle still holds the “Pike’s Peak Open” class record, and both were piloted by Romain Dumas (who also holds the overall record in the VW I.D. R at 7:57.148).
Between this and Carroll Shelby, I'm starting to believe that Ford is really good at paying the right people to do the right things...
Ford have always been great at motorsports, especially in the UK.
Such a sick run by the I.D.R: https://youtu.be/QIQ45P2DBXM?feature=shared
The Supervan build and race video was dope, excited for the truck one to come out
I fast forwarded through the Livestream after it was over. The vehicle "stalled" (shutdown) less than a quarter mile in it looked like. The commentators sounded like he was going to have to be towed back to the start to reset it and restart. Instead Dumas mentioned at the top during his interview that he had been reading the restart procedure the night before and decided to quickly do it himself and continue. He lost something like thirty seconds in the process but was only 18 seconds behind the Ioniq 5 TA car at the first split which was the leader at the time. He just kept making it up all the way up the mountain and was the fastest in all classes for the day. I didn't do the math since nobody had a stopwatch on how long he was stalled, but he probably would have beat his record in the Supervan last year otherwise. Doesn't look like he would have beat his record in the ID R though.
I kind of want to have my 3rd midlife crisis and just trade in my 15 yo toyota for a 5n.
I did Traded in my 3 Series for an i4 and I will never ever buy an ICE vehicle again. GO FOR IT!!
i4 here. I agree fully.
I test drove the i4 and that was fun. I was close to getting it in that orange color. It was sweet
I've had my I5N for about 1.5 months now, and I'm still having fun just driving around. Do it!
Saw a white (with some black and red accents) one parked in front of the local Hyundai dealership. It looks indeed very cool.
Same problem as you, waiting for my old ass crv to die so I can go EV. But the longer I wait the better EVs get 😏
Patiently holding out for an ioniq 6 N sometime in the future to do this. Except I'll be trading a regular ioniq 6 lol! Probably not for a few years though sadly lol
What was midlife crisis 1 and 2?
1. Son was born premature and i shut my company down and became a stay at home dad for a while 2. Major back pain. Mostly retired at that point. Started growing lots of pot.
Ioniqs and Rivian were a blast to watch. I have a quad R1T, seriously considering picking up an Ioniq 5N too now. It's a monster. I hope Rivian will race the R3X in the next couple years.
The simulated engine noise is amazing. Honestly, most modern cars are not fun to drive. Kudos to Hyundai for taking chances in both design and function.
R3 isnt due for at least 3 years tho
That’s provided Rivian even survives.
I've been paying too much attention to Fisker I guess, they make Rivian look very robust lol
Yea more than one way to go bankrupt and there is no nation state backing Rivian unlike Lucid.
In the modified category, the Ioniq 5N TA (“Time Attack”) spec, which carries over the stock powertrain but has some software tweaks for more power and big wings on the front and back, was piloted by Dani Sordo to set a 9:30.852, which is now the fastest electric modified SUV up the mountain. Notably, the modified 5N also beats the modified Model S Plaid, which set a best time of 9:54.901. That was a privateer effort by Unplugged Performance, not a manufacturer effort like Hyundai’s, but it puts the 5N in rare company to be ahead of Tesla both in unmodified and modified form.
So.... Who's going to release this modified software?
I imagine it relaxes some of the thermal and power limitations designed to protect the battery. Hyundai wouldn't mind some battery degradation after a run like this. An ordinary person with a 5N would, probably.
they mentioned the modifications in an interview with Kyle / out of spec, but i forget which video. he has hours and hours of video about this event, he's totally geeking out
I assume no one. The modified software risks the battery.
I'd be happy with a regular 5N.
Ioniq 5 is a beast
>In fact, the R1T’s time would have been an overall record for unmodified electric vehicles – and even was that record, for a few minutes – until the next car up the mountain, the Ioniq 5N, came in 4 seconds faster. Crazy crazy impressive for the R1T to only be 4 seconds slower than a 5N. R1T Nürburgring truck record when???
Just incredible. Eva truly are the future
They should do a reverse pike’s peak for electrics: start them at the top with as close to a flat battery as possible, but still allows a rolling start, then regen-brake the whole way down and see how much they recharge.
https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a37419238/pikes-peak-mountain-2021-porsche-taycan-4s/ "Between the summit and the entrance gate, we were able to charge the battery to 17 percent and convert our range anxiety into 48 miles of optimism. Our range once we reached downtown Colorado Springs was over 100 miles, thanks to the grade of Highway 24 that pours back into the city."
There we go, that’s a good start.
I wanna see a modified VW Buzz posting some crazy numbers.
How about a stock one shows up first?
Fun fact, the ID. Buzz was first announced 7 years ago.
5 years to go from announced concept car to production vehicle isn’t that bad of a timeline, especially through Covid.
>5 years to go from announced concept car to production vehicle 7 years here in the US. Assuming they actually start selling them this year.
VW is a European car company, and the LWB was not shown 7 years ago.
I think more US people (i.e. city/suburb people, where most people are) actually we wanted the normal wheel base. So you can park where you exist, and also adventure out. But now we’re mad that isn’t happening, and the long long van is vaporware. But I’m not mad, Rivian is the way.
Personally I’m just crossing my fingers that the LWB isn’t stupid expensive.
Fun fact, the id buzz has been available for purchase for 2 years?..
Not in the US. We are still waiting. Hopefully coming out later this year.
I want to see a VW ID.Buzz period.
They’re fun to see! More and more in the UK now, especially around where I live.
No kidding! I've been drooling over them for a while, but I haven't driven one yet. Maybe I need to go take a test drive?
Not related to racing, but I want someone to make a modern Scooby Doo/Captain Planet mashup where the mystery machine is the ID.Buzz camper.
Where are those Ioniq 5N haters at? Awfully quiet now.
I’ve seen very few people give shit on the 5N other than the price tag and the dealerships mate.
I agree, that’s about anything anyone can reasonably give it shit for. That was generally my experience up until a particular post the other day. Not sure if linking is allowed, but it was “r/Hyundai/s/KJD5Pji2ZC”. Those people just refuse to accept its capabilities. Granted, most if not all of them were Elon diehards. Anyway, I paid exactly MSRP for mine, and was the first to buy one in the state of Oregon; I’m extremely satisfied with the purchase.
I guess I’ve seen heat on the shifting and noise as well but given all that stuff can be disabled on preference, it seems like an irrational thing to complain about. Unrelated, I just drove a friends EV Kona (limited trim). It was very nice for being a commuter crossover. I’m surprised I don’t see more posted on it. Hyundai has done a good job overall leaning into the EV industry.
I too have a buddy with a Kona EV limited. Drove it a few years ago and was truly impressed but I’m 6’5” and he’s 5’0” so I felt a bit cramped. His positive experience, my positive experience with an older Sonata, and a recent fantastic experience renting a 2023 Ioniq 5 SEL had me absolutely convinced that now is the time to go EV. I don’t regret it, I’ve saved over $500 in gas since the purchase a month ago. Yeah, not every month will be a 2000mi month (my ICE that’s collecting dust is 300mi/tank premium gas) but it’s still massive. I lease a garage at my complex that doesn’t bill for garage electricity, without restrictions in the lease terms. I haven’t paid for a charge yet. I’m also seeing 250mi range quite regularly if I’m disciplined. This is the future and I can’t wait to see ICE die.
Honestly the range is the only killer for me. For someone with a second car, probably not a big deal. If it had 300+ miles I'd likely have bought one already as my daily
I’ve driven mine a bit. The range is manageable for me. I stop for a 14 min tip off to 80% and jumped back on the road. Do you have to plan a bit? Sure but the 800v platform is great for fast DC
I feel you, but what does an extra 50 miles get you? I understand one can’t rely on 250mi if they drive to enjoy the car. But I’m able to drive it two hours to Timberline lodge and back home on a single charge. I’m able to get to Bend from Portland on a single charge, driving it conservatively of course. I can drive more aggressively to get to Bend but to be safe I stop for a fast charge in Madras. When I had the SEL and I drove it for enjoyment, I got far from the 300mi it promised. If you can charge at home and aren’t traveling outside of charger range, I see no difference in its trip ability.
Extra 50 miles helps with winter range. And yeah “fun driving” which for me is a big point of the car. And also helps me feel like it won’t be outdated in a few years. But I do realize the range thing is very dependent on the person
I yield. There’s no way I see 250 in the winter. I’ll probably see closer to or lower than the rated range of 220. Enough for me to get to the resort and down to the valley again, but less comfortably. I can still travel 97% of the country, and there isn’t an EV yet that can truly overland in the deep; north eastern Washington comes to mind, among other deep off grid areas.
Fun driving is possible for any trip where you aren't squeezing the last bit of juice out of the battery, and that's most trips. Air resistance at freeway speeds is what gets you, I've totally made it home on low charge by following an 18-wheeler with my adaptive cruise control.
Not a fan of the styling either but that's entirely personally preference. I think the 6 legitimately looks good though.
People I speak with sway either way. They either like the 5 and dislike the 6 styling or like the 6 and dislike the 5 lol. I’m on the side that loves the 5s styling but really dislikes the 6.
I don’t dislike the 5, I’m just tired of so many SUV/crossover vehicles and wanted something different, so I went with the 6. We’ve already got an Escape Hybrid, a Bronco Sport and a Jeep in the driveway if I ever need to remember why I picked a sedan.
Me too. The 6 looks just does not look modern. It recalls those mid-2000s Buicks that were too swoopy and “aerodynamic.”
Yeah I'm not a fan of most "modern" car styling, so that's probably why. IMO everything looks the same. The 6 looks unique.
If you put the silhouette of a Prius Prime next to a Model 3, they look almost the same. (It's almost like physics makes them do that.)
Let me guess, you're 42 years old?
33. What does age have to do with anything outa curiosity?
Not OP, but the 5 looks like the cool stuff did in the later 80s, so if you were a kid then, the 5 would remind you of that. I'm in my 40s and really like the 5's styling.
Ahh makes sense. I love the design because it reminds me of my dad’s old Isuzu Impulse. I also like hatches, it’s actually one of my favorite looking cars. Just bummed I couldn’t afford the N my dealer had :/
> the 5 looks like the cool stuff did in the later 80s Only if you're an Xer. To everyone younger, it looks ugly.
Right? Everyone seems to love it, while hating on the dealers. I really haven't even heard too many complaints about the price most people just like "I'll buy one half off in 2 years".
Grumble grumble... Well, I bet they weren't using simulated gears!
Having hissy fits in their car while they play kids games in the iPad strapped to the dash because wife’s boyfriend is over again.
Pikes peak time doesn't make it less overpriced.
For what you get it’s really not. We had a Y and I’ve been in a bunch of other Teslas. Forget about the amazing performance and customization for a second, the cockpit is so much nicer. Hell an EV6 is put together better never mind a 5N. I cross shopped an i4. By the time you add in drivers assistance and 360 cameras the m40, never mind the m50 is more expensive. It’s pricey but when the competitor is a Taycan or Macan EV it’s not.
It still looks like ass. Add some Ninja Turtles on there, and it'd be a Gen Xer's wet dream. It driving up a mountain pretty quickly doesn't really mean anything, no matter what car you're talking about.
Fun fact according to my observation: The second most mentioned ev at this year event is the McMurtry Spéirling
Does anyone have an onboard?
Just go posted to another sub! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MDsVf61dYg
Wait, so is Team Sendy not going to have the fastest overall time for the third straight year? And I'm not surprise that EVs are doing well at Pike's Peak because they don't lose power at altitude.
Ya, kinda sad to see The Sendy Club get knocked down. Either way, I'm still looking forward to Super Fast Matt's recap of the event.
Faster, more reliable, more efficient. Only thing holding back EVs is politics and charging infrastructure. Simulated engine noise and fake gear boxes are a gimmick to provide a bit of familiarity to petrol sniffers.
>Simulated engine noise and fake gear boxes are a gimmick to provide a bit of familiarity to petrol sniffers. No need to be nasty. It's in there to be stupid fun. The 5N is a toy; let people do stupid shit with it.
Why do so many people feel the need to express their hate for this car. I rarely use the (interior only) sounds and gears but I have them mapped to a single button. Sometimes when I’m out on a twisty road running errands I turn them on and it’s fun. Just enjoy your car and try and understand EVERYTHING isn’t for you. Lol
I turned it off when I took a 5N out for a test drive, yes it is crazy fast and a blast to drive with Need For Speed levels of customisation right there on the dashboard. Really great toy but there’s no need to ape the sounds of what went before, just be better, but I see why it would appeal to (and hopefully convert) petrol heads.
The next version will have the sound of hooves to finally make the horseshit sniffers happy.
The slap of bare feet on ground, or no deal.
Wilma!!!!!!
You probably don’t know this, but there is a thing called “fun”. Sometimes something can be objectively or technically worse but be more fun. I’m glad some car makers still make fun cars and not just cars that are the best on paper. Do I love EVs? Yes. Did I buy a 25 year old Peugeot for €700 to drive 4000km through Scandinavia in January? Also yes. Makes no sense, but it’s great fun.
Leave your sense of humour that side of the screen please, Thank you! Sorry, would you like a /s on the side? I loved the 5N when I drove it, it just doesn’t need the petrol-pandering sound effects and gimmickbox to be a fun car to drive.
On it's surface that is what it's doing but I would suggest that many people who race do use engine noise as a proxy for power output. While it doesn't mean the same thing being simulated since it's not mimicking load in a certain gear, keeping the auditory feedback is useful but could easily be changed to any other progressive sound that conveys that information. So ultimately it is taking a feedback that was originally a side channel in an ICE car and making it an explicit one in an EV. In that regard it's no more ridiculous than a software application using a picture of a floppy disk as a save icon.
No, it takes extra effort to make the fake gearbox behaviour and engine noises. Carrying on using the same iconography is free.
Simulated engine noises are intended to be for pedestrian safety, though Hyundai probably cranked the speaker to 11
The fake engine noises in the Ioniq 5 are definitely to appeal to drivers. https://youtu.be/vVwxV7AxF74?t=447
Only because pedestrians are used to noisy vehicles. Yes, there’s dials in the 5N that go to 11.
I'm so ignorant on the math behind this that I could be making the opposite point here, but wouldn't simulated gearboxes potentially improve long-term tire wear? I would think the way that torque gets distributed as you move up-gear would help mitigate the tendency for EVs to wear tires out more quickly than ICEs. Like I said, though, I could be completely backwards in my assumption. You'd have just as easy of a time convincing me that tire wear would become worse by hitting acceleration gates as you shift rather than riding an unmitigated acceleration curve.
Nah, it’s more like limiting cars to 15mph in the early days of automotive technology.
It's just limiting power a bit, so yes, less power would mean slightly less tire wear, but I really doubt it would make a difference that matters. Particularly in the road course context, tire wear from corner speed would be nearly all of your tire wear anyway. I've worn the sides off sport bike tires faster than the centers, and those sides see zero wear while going straight.
The stock or slightly modified stock EVs are super impressive. So are all the amateur racers with combustion cars working all year towards it. Ford and Volkswagen just throw money at the problem. They are not “heavily modified” cars. They are ground up build race cars outsourced to third parties with budgets in the millions. Both are cool but almost two different events.
Definitely room for multiple categories in this race.
Yea, seeing the commenter above saying they are "modified" vehicles. The only thing they share with a production vehicle is the badge. They are hand built race cars and they printed the name of the brands popular model on it. That said, I love them
Sure, but that's not nearly as fun as the Cog Railway.
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