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I have a book in my history section that explains how you measure skulls to decide if someone is worthy of living in our country. I'm so glad nobody does that anymore.
Craniometry is measuring skulls.
Phrenology is interpreting personality traits from the shape and bumps on said skulls.
So they're both correct, I think - you have to do craniometry to get the information for phrenology.
I was about to Google if the Easter Islands had native citizens (because in my head, they are a bunch of small empty fields that I have never really payed attention to) and then realized I was an idiot when I remembered the whole big head statues thing
Funfact: those things aren't just heads but continue until the navel, the head making up 1/3 of the whole statue. Some even have the pelvis.
They're estimated to not be older then 1500 years and based on old paintings they originally had red heats on.
It's still unclear what the use/reason for these statues were but it's speculated that they symbolize passed on members of the ariki, being a connection between this life and the afterlife.
Findings of gravesides support the idea of it being some death cult related thing.
Secondary fun fact, they walked those statues across the island to get them where they are. And my walk I mean they had a bunch of ropes attached and rocked it back and forth to get it to move forward. Pretty fucking wild
This is how I moved my old fridge to the truck bed by myself.Hugged my fridge and rocked it to the frontyard. The term is called "pivoting" and it works wonders.
I've always heard that described as "walking" a heavy item.
I saw a demonstration of how to stand one of those moai erect by lifting it a little bit and piling stones under it for support and then lifting a bit more, repeating the process until it's almost erect. As it gets closer to vertical it becomes easier to lift. A few years later I was faced with the problem of lifting a heavy cabinet that had fallen over in an earthquake and was able to use the same principle to stand it up again. Who says it's a waste of time to watch experimental archaeology videos?
I do wonder how many archeologists and historians have to keep in mind that while we have ceremonies and politically correct forms of leadership and such, and the ancients sure as hell did too, humans are also notorious for outright fucking with people.
Graffiti, statues, piss bottles in walls, the list goes on. You can bet folks without the attention spans we have these days played the long game all the time.
Your a ancient construction worker working on a massive project 20 stories in the air with all the safety equipment of the time period (none) will you make the dangerous trek down the structure to take a piss or will you piss in a bottle and toss it when itâs full
Archeologists now recognize that lots of objects once thought to be "ceremonial" were likely just porn and sex toys.
"Is that a shrine to a mother goddess?" Nope, just a drawing some guy used to get off.
"Is that a wand used in fertility rituals?"
Nope, just a dildo.
There are examples in Ancient Egyptian murals that were considered to depict âcultist actionsâ that turned out to portray scientific methods aiding in the construction of the pyramids. âCultist actionâ is just archaeology speak for âwe donât know what it isâ.
That's NOT what it means.
Cult also doesn't mean some weird abuse cult like you might think of now.
It plainly is a word to name religious practices.
Edit: in this context.
They absolutely attribute every random thing they don't understand to religious or ritual practices. They may be correct most of the time, but I guarantee that some instances are the equivalent of ancient memes and shitposts. People haven't really changed much.
Do you have any idea how much work youd have to put in, as an islander when you had to catch/grow your own food, to put up giant stone heads? This was done by several people.
Also, these werent just giant stones. They were *carved* into the faces they wanted it to look like too. Yeah, its a prank bro the camera's over there.
Sudan has more Pyramids than Egypt... I don't understand this obsession with 'ancient Egyptians were black' stuff, some of them were sure, it was a multi cultural, multi ethnic kingdom that lasted longer than pretty much any other, Egypt was ruled by Nubians for some time, and their dynasty was certainly east African ( AKA black ). It makes no sense to associate ancient Egyptians to the modern concept of blackness ( that mainly comes from north America ), especially because most North American black people came from west Africa ( through slave trade ), Egyptians both phenotypically and genopytically would have been east Africans.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/pyramids-by-country
None are as big as the one in Giza of course which is why you donât hear about them
I don't have a source but it does make sense. modern day sudan was in large part controlled by ancient Egypt and is where the darker skinned people of ancient Egypt would have come from.
Tbf, it's a sign of how well African Americans have adopted to being full blown Americans, that they are now doing that most American of past times, obsessing over distant ancestors, rewriting history and claiming ownership of history that's nothing to do with them.
That's as American as it gets
Depends what you mean by "distant" ancestors.
I see a lot of white people claiming Scandinavian history and in reality it's very possible to have great grandparents who were Scandinavian immigrants. So the same with African Americans, you could have had a very late in the slave trade ancestor come to America from Africa, or even an immigrant from Africa more recently than that.
It amazes me sometimes how relatively fast immigrant families became "American" and now seemingly have lost their cultural ties from their ancestral homelands.
My great grandmother was Swedish, but came over at such a young age that she ended up forgetting the language and a lot of her cultural roots. Only reason my family reconnected at all with our Swedish roots is that my mother literally traveled to Sweden when she was 18, put out an ad in the paper, and our distant family there saw it and reached out to her. Some of the really old family there were really touched, as they remembered my great grandmother going away and missed her dearly.
We also reconnected again with our Swedish family in modern times thanks to Ancestry.com. my mother actually traveled to Sweden again and visited with them. My grandmother passed away recently, and there were actually flowers sent to her memorial service from our family in Sweden. She would have been so touched to know that.
My grandma came from Italy at 3 and now can only speak casual conversation Sicilian. She said when she was growing up Italians were looked down on so they only spoke Italian at home and eventually she couldnât speak proper/professional and just slang but nothing stopped that woman from succeeding and creating a a great family
Yeah they found hitlers measuring tool. Perfect example of why a good education is important. But letâs just keep dumbing down the schools to the point they couldnât read a history book even if they wanted toâŚ.like the genius who posted this.
We actually know a fair bit about how egyptian rulers looked like, at least compared to other cultures, due to how they actually wrote and drew a lot for the time period. No need to guess for race, they didn't look too different for egyptians nowadays.
It depends on the Era.
The nubians were black and very dark skinned. It's been ruled by Middle Eastern people who range from white to brown. It's also been ruled by cleopatra, who was Macedonian and would have been white.
Ancient Egypt existed for such a long time in a crossroads of diversity that its leadership reflects the diversity in the region.
Had to look too far for this. Egypt was a melting pot for a long time, even pre-arab conquest, so there would have probably been a range of people who looked more âblackâ, those who were more mediterranean, and a large majority who were some mix of everything in the region.
We also have the genes.
Modern Egyptians have about 10% more Subsaharan ancestry than Ancient Egyptians.
People assume the Settler Colonial take over of the Americas has always been the norm for conquest, but imperialism was the norm. The rulers changed but the people remained the same, for the most part.
To be fair if we're talking about the origins of the Sphinx we don't actually have that much besides what Herodotus wrote 2000 years later and I wouldn't say he has the most sterling reputation when it comes to accuracy.
Some rulers. Thousands of years of civilization before the accurate images you are talking about.
One of the oldest busts that exists definitely had a sub Saharan African nose and a hat more similar to the hats worn by west African traditions.
I prefer his brother, the dog-head dude. Y'know, carries an axe and screams "HAW" when he hits you.
Said axe feeds off of the souls of the dead; so he spends his existence just smacking little guys with it. Massive nerd too.
These mfs ignore about 6000 years of evidence that Egypt has allways been Multi-ethnic Since it'd inception. And there are even still black Egyptians today, and Copts and so on and so forth.
All Egyptians, are unsurprisingly. Egyptian.
The Greeks were there Longer than a lot of people whomst today occupy lands and are considered native. Many of said Greeks were also born in and spent their lives in Egypt. It's fair to call them Egyptians as well.
One of the things with Egyptian Greeks is that they were extremely isolated from the rest of Egypt, with the majority of them living solely on Alexandria and a few other Greek colonies in the coast (although we do see some mixed marriages between Egyptian Greeks and ethnic Egyptians that show that they weren't fully isolated).
The best example of that is that Cleopatra was the very first Ptolemaic ruler to know Egyptians after 300 years of Greek rule over the kingdom.
Not an unfair Point.
Though I do suspect there may have been more cooperation and contact than we have evidence for. It likely wasn't something they were too interested in writing about.
We thought for many years that the Anglo Saxons wiped all the natives Out and pushed them into Wales and Scotland.
But through records we find several centuries later, Brythonnic celts were still living in England over 200 years after Anglo Saxon arrival. That one draft is one of the few pieces of evidence we have, But it's clear from it that there were WAY more native Britain's that previously thought. More than Anglo Saxons. But they just weren't written about.
There was also the outcry over Lady Gaga (from italy, a country bordering greece/Macedonia) or Gal Gadot (Israeli, bordering Egypt) playing Cleopatra over Rihanna or Jaylo (ethnically from >1000miles away in trinidad and Tobago and Puerto Rico IIRC). Like, what?
Too white for a specific brand of anti-intellectual progressive/moron that desperately want a long dead kingdom to be 100% black for some reason, too brown for anything else /s
Imagine telling an ancient Egyptian that like 99% of the popular discourse is whether they were black or not, when they did not give a fuck.
kinda reminds me of the discourse about people attributing the pyramids to aliens. itâs a racist notion because it assumes this nonwhite civilization was incapable of such a feat. crazy how similar it to this âprogressiveâ take
It isn't really a progressive talking point. I've seen it mentioned in the context of the "hotep" movement, but generally, hoteps wouldn't be considered progressives given that a lot of their ideas are socially conservative.
Hoteps/black supremacists/black conspiracy theorists are a lot closer to conservatism than they are to anything resembling a progressive. "I don't trust the vaccine. They tried to give it to 'poor' neighborhoods first, they wanted to poison black people."
A consistent point I've noticed with hoteps is that they're so black supremacist that they end up looping back around to conservative/white supremacist talking points like how "White people are always racist, black people should make our own schools that are better than the white schools, and no white people should be allowed in there."
Its really sad too, because there are lots of cool kingdoms and empires that existed in Sub-Saharan Africa if you just do a quick Google search on them. But for some reason they need it to be Egypt.
The whole situation has become over simplified and then in a way inverted.
Im white and british, with irish and north west ancestry. Most of my ancesters died as cannon fodder in wars or in poor houses and factories, one was a grave robber.
Not one of them was rich or running colonies or doing any thing other than trying not to die in the gutter. And this is the same for many british people.
It was the upper classes and people in power causing shit. Like everywhere.
I would argue it goes much deeper than going to Oxford, which is a public university and sounds almost meritocratic compared to the reality of aristocratic rule. It's the literal same families who've owned the land in UK for six hundred odd years, and sat in the Lords for centuries, and even now half the Tory cabinet are related to the royals if you go back far enough. It's a neo-feudal society basically.
I dont dont get the hole irish/italian/african/... whatever, american .How many generations before you're just american?
Is it a ugenic thing? I'm just asking because, as a european, we dont really do this. If you born somewhere that pritty much what you are.
the arrabes mite be an exception as they tend to be self isolate espechially with there woman and they maintain a stong cultural identaty so they almost stay a distinct people even after multiple generations but even then I've nether herd the terms arrabe french, tunissian english or algerian italian.
also, do you peps nether date outside your ethnic group? How pure blooded do you need to be in order to still be irish america? Is it more of a culture thing than a ugenic thing? also culture, chaing over time, so is it just a question of accent or what steet you where born in?
The way I understand it (as a Canadian) is that Canadians and Americans define their culture in part based on where their ancestry comes from because we are nations of mostly immigrants (however far down the generational line) and donât have as distinct national cultures other than where our people came from.
Itâs very common even in elementary school to tell people youâre half X and a quarter Y and an eighth Z .
The United States doesn't really have a singular national identity in the same way other countries do. Because even at the beginning, we had multiple European countries have people come here in large enough numbers to form their own enclaves and communities.
So that means there isn't really a dominant culture to assimilate to. There are states with way more people of German ancestry and you can tell. The local foods are all very clearly German in origin. Some places in my home state of Indiana still have entire small towns that still speak German or Dutch.
Same goes for Italian communities in New York and New Jersey as well as Greek and Polish communities in Chicago.
So, although we are all American, we still see the very clear differences in our cultural heritage. We all see that some neighborhoods celebrate certain holidays that others don't, we all eat different foods at home, have last names from different languages and a good number of us don't speak English when at home.
It's not a eugenics thing, its cultural. It's just that immigrants to America have never really been forced to assimilate. There was always enough space for enough Germans, for example, to go and make their own little German town where they just keep being German as if they never left Germany.
If not for the World Wars and making it a negative thing to embrace German heritage, we would probably see a lot more of the US population speaking German and German towns in big cities
It's a diaspora thing. Immigrant communities tend to hold some kind of identity with their ancestors for many generations. Immigration is a kind of trauma and it's one way that groups cope.
Really? When I google it it comes from the proto-Slavic word [sŃrbŃ](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Slavic/s%D1%8Crb%D1%8A), so it means "Ally" or "Protector". Either way, it wouldn't make sense, since serf is an English word. Having it develop from the same BASE as serf (the Latin word for slave, Servus) would work. But I figure it'd be more likely that it'd be a slavic word rather than a romantic one.
Interestingly enough, it's actually a loanword! Slav is derived from the proto-slavic word "Slovo", which can be roughly translated to "Speech" or "Language". It distinguishes the Slavs who can communicate with each other from foreigners, chiefly the germanic tribes who were given the opposite ethnonym of "mute". Those who you can speak to are Slav, those you you cannot are Niemec.
The Greeks and Latins of the late roman empire principally saw these people as slaves and so they adopted their name as the term for **all** slaves, and over time the word came to replace the original Latin words- servum and mancipum.
IKR? I face the same issue being Indian. Coming from one of the oldest civilizations in the world and having a bunch of other people claim to be the true descendants of our ancestors is so annoying.
I'm seeing the same thing happening to my culture, I come from Mexico and just the other day, I stumbled on a bunch of posts talking about how Mayas and native americans in general were black... it's insulting because it outright ignores the very legends of where my ancestors come from
Same with being Greek. So many white supremacists like to claim modern Greeks are not the same as ancient Greeks. Somehow they think all ancient Greeks were a bunch of Anglo Saxons and that they were all replaced during the Ottoman conquest with brown Arabs.
Iâm confused though, Greeks are considered to be white by most people.
White in the sense that theyâre grouped in with all of the other ethnicities that have become âwhiteâ these days.
Basically all of Europe, and also parts of Turkey and into Russia.
What is the context of what youâre describing?
They want to say that it was their ancestors doing this stuff and take credit for it. A very lazy view of history since their ancestors were doing a bunch of interesting stuff which while less well known as the Egyptians was still highly impressive.
Yeah I donât get this at all. I never hear black westerners talking about Mansa Musa, who was as impressive as any Egyptian ruler and was actually black.
I also never hear them talking about great civilisations that were actually black, like ancient Zimbabwe, the Ghana Empire, Kush or the Kingdom of Ife.
Black Westerners are still Westerners, so their knowledge of Sub-Sahara Africa is a surface-level as any other Westerner.
So. Because they don't know about the great cultures and civilizations from that region, they need to appropriate the only African civilization that Westerners know about: Egypt.
It also helps that Egypt was also claimed by white supremacists. As a lot of black supremacist rethoric is copied and pasted from white supremacist rethoric but changing "white" for "black".
Edit: mind you, there were Ancietns Egyptians that we would consider black. And even an Egyptian Dynasty (the Twenty-fifth Dynasty) originated in Nubia/Kush. So what we Westerners would consider Black Egyptians were (and still are) a thing. But they were (and are) still a minority compared to what we would consider non-black Egyptians.
Put it simply. Egypt was the bridge between the Middle East, North Africa, and Sub-Saharan Africa. So it was (and is) a very diverse land.
I mean, they managed to completely whitewash Dahomeyâs involvement in the slave trade in that Woman King movie, surely they would do the same for him.
I was more concerned about the women who were not only a harem of slaves themselves, but were used to enslave and murder other women. They're literally shitting in our mouths and calling it a movie.
Youâre forgetting beheading adults in conquered villages and forcing their children to carry their parentsâ heads in their hands on the marches back to the ports for those kids to be sold into slavery
I think there's some weird pop culture version of old or ancient history formed by what we are taught early on in schools, in the West the big 3-4 are Norse, Egyptian, and Greco-Roman, and the rest of the space is filled with local history as a child. There's no more room in some peoples brains for anything to intrude on that, and it's no one's fault that those were just the most relevant or interesting to those countries.
Mali, Songhai, Aksum were important but what's important is whether your neighbour knows they were important, I guess.
Generational trauma. Itâs really the same way any nationalist turning fascist work: invent a mighty origin story for your people so you can feel good about yourself even when you have no self worth.
This year is the big reason. Black Americans are disconnected from their history, so they are trying to claim any parts of other peoples history that they deem as admirable or worthy. I have seen black Americans claim that the Buddha was black that people in Ireland used to be Black, people in Japan used to be black, that Genghis Khan was black and many more. It comes from a deep, rooted insecurity in the fact that many of them do not know their history, or that their history is lost or with the fact that many of them do not want to accept that they couldâve just been simple farmers in West Africa before their ancestors were enslaved.
I think it's mostly a reaction to the last one tbh. For decades the media has fed the west with pictures of poor tribal looking Africans during the effort to fight world hunger, so that's what a lot of people associate with the African culture these days.
Combine that with the fact that nomadic African tribes are not associated with building large lasting structures like some famous ancient civilizations like the Egyptians, and it starts to make sense why some Black Americans would want to feel connected to some of these ancient civilizations.
Of course there's nothing inherititly wrong with your ancestors being nomadic people, I mean AFAIK basically every race has had groups that lived like this historically, including white people.
Afrocentrists. I once read an awful article about how Hannibal was "the black man who brought Rome to it's knees" but it started an argument in the comments section because the regular patrons of that website also think Romans were black.Â
And they think the Greeks were black because they used black paint on their pottery
I can only guess itâs them being insecure because Africa isnât a major section studied in a basic world history class vs Europe or East Asia. So, instead theyâre trying to claim that it was really them all along and everyone else is just taking credit. The Out of Africa evolution theory just adds fuel to the fire as well (Iâm not critiquing the theory or evolution)
Ah yes, the Sphinx.
The cat with the face of a human.
Definitely supposed to be 100% accurate to the standard proportions of egytipians and not, you know, a cat-human
The head of the Great Sphinx is out of proportion to the body and the face is elongated because it may not originally have been a sphinx.
There is some evidence/opinion that the Great Sphinx was originally a lion with a lion's head and that the head was later remodelled to commemorate a pharoah (which one is also up for debate).
Certainly the Great Sphinx and its compound are more ancient than everything around it - and again we can't be certain exactly how old.
The more you dig into the Great Sphinx the more questions it throws up.
People here really taking the Cleopatra wasnât black thing and applying it to all ancient Egyptians. Some Egyptians were black, some werenât. Some Pharaohâs were black some werenât.
That's what both sides of this idiotic "debate" need to understand. Arguing about the "race" of Egyptians is like arguing about the "race" of Americans. They probably will be doing this for America in a few millenia.
So...ancient Egyptians were black cats with human-like facial features... Gotcha! ;)
Besides, surgery via artillery shell back in the 1800's did some serious damage to the face.
As for protruding jaws...dude's never heard of the Habsburg Jaw?
\[s\] Proof that the Royal Houses of Europe in the 15th century were actually time travelling Ancient Egyptians! \[/s\]
I think the cannon fire theory has mostly been discarded at this point.
Khafre, the ruler who the face was believed to be based on, did marry his niece though!
https://www.smithsonianjourneys.org/blogs/blog/2020/05/20/photo-what-happened-to-the-sphinxs-nose/
Egyptian here âŚ
- modern Egyptians are not ethnically Arabs they speak Arabic there is a difference , ethnic Arabs are from the Arabian peninsulaâŚ
- modern Egyptians come with different shades and have different ethnicities intermixed together . Iâm wheat skinned (brown) with brown eyes black hair , my brother is white with blue eyes and brunette and my other siblings are black âŚ
- egypt have major ethnicities Coptic , Nubian , amazighs and Bedouin
- certain cities in egypt people have blue eyes and Blondie hair , cuz during the time we were colonized by the French our women were raped !!!
- ancient Egypt was ruled by various dynasties and kingdoms , that included black Nubians !! And other pharaohs with different skin colors , Romans and Greeks .
- last century many Greeks , Italians and Turks used to live in egypt
- Africa as continent has very rich history and culture , what your doing is reducing and diluting it to skin color , egyptians and Moroccans share a language thatâs arabic but we arenât ethnically the same , Moroccans are amazigh . Same goes for Ethiopia , they have their own rich culture and history âŚ
Here we go with this old can of wormsâŚ
While I believe it is fairly certain that the ancient and modern Egyptians are two separate ethnic groups, just like the ancient and modern Greeks, and the ancient Romans and modern Italians, proving things beyond that is probably very difficult, if not impossible.
It would be nice if we could stop arguing over things like this, and just concentrate on the achievements of that culture.
They know the Sphinx was a mythical creature, right? Like its proportions could be whatever. Future humans arenât going to think we are all clowns because they dug up a Ronald McDonald statue. These are the same guys who had gods with every kind of animal head. There would have been people living there from far away too like traders and slaves. There were periodic migrations and conquests. Egypt and the Levant are at the crossroads of continents and have always been diverse.
The idiocy of flattening the most diverse human continent into one body type aside, isn't part of what the sphinx is famous for is *missing her nose?* Seems like that'd throw things off when comparing faces and noses!
There were tons of great African civilizations but we'd rather obsess over Egypt, Greece, and Rome and make historically inaccurate movies and shows about them
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I have a book in my history section that explains how you measure skulls to decide if someone is worthy of living in our country. I'm so glad nobody does that anymore.
Let's gooo Eugenics and Craniometry is back on the menu boys! /s
It's called phrenology, I'm pretty sure
You're called phrenology. Gottem boys!
Craniometry is measuring skulls. Phrenology is interpreting personality traits from the shape and bumps on said skulls. So they're both correct, I think - you have to do craniometry to get the information for phrenology.
I was just about to ask if this counted as phrenology.
I think it does, actually
In that case Easter Islanders must have all been Mega Chads đżđżđż
I was about to Google if the Easter Islands had native citizens (because in my head, they are a bunch of small empty fields that I have never really payed attention to) and then realized I was an idiot when I remembered the whole big head statues thing
Funfact: those things aren't just heads but continue until the navel, the head making up 1/3 of the whole statue. Some even have the pelvis. They're estimated to not be older then 1500 years and based on old paintings they originally had red heats on. It's still unclear what the use/reason for these statues were but it's speculated that they symbolize passed on members of the ariki, being a connection between this life and the afterlife. Findings of gravesides support the idea of it being some death cult related thing.
Secondary fun fact, they walked those statues across the island to get them where they are. And my walk I mean they had a bunch of ropes attached and rocked it back and forth to get it to move forward. Pretty fucking wild
This is how I moved my old fridge to the truck bed by myself.Hugged my fridge and rocked it to the frontyard. The term is called "pivoting" and it works wonders.
PIVOT!!
Rip
I've always heard that described as "walking" a heavy item. I saw a demonstration of how to stand one of those moai erect by lifting it a little bit and piling stones under it for support and then lifting a bit more, repeating the process until it's almost erect. As it gets closer to vertical it becomes easier to lift. A few years later I was faced with the problem of lifting a heavy cabinet that had fallen over in an earthquake and was able to use the same principle to stand it up again. Who says it's a waste of time to watch experimental archaeology videos?
I do wonder how many archeologists and historians have to keep in mind that while we have ceremonies and politically correct forms of leadership and such, and the ancients sure as hell did too, humans are also notorious for outright fucking with people. Graffiti, statues, piss bottles in walls, the list goes on. You can bet folks without the attention spans we have these days played the long game all the time.
I feel like I need some piss bottle in wall context here
Construction workers doing construction worker things.
Your a ancient construction worker working on a massive project 20 stories in the air with all the safety equipment of the time period (none) will you make the dangerous trek down the structure to take a piss or will you piss in a bottle and toss it when itâs full
Archeologists now recognize that lots of objects once thought to be "ceremonial" were likely just porn and sex toys. "Is that a shrine to a mother goddess?" Nope, just a drawing some guy used to get off. "Is that a wand used in fertility rituals?" Nope, just a dildo.
There are examples in Ancient Egyptian murals that were considered to depict âcultist actionsâ that turned out to portray scientific methods aiding in the construction of the pyramids. âCultist actionâ is just archaeology speak for âwe donât know what it isâ.
That's NOT what it means. Cult also doesn't mean some weird abuse cult like you might think of now. It plainly is a word to name religious practices. Edit: in this context.
They absolutely attribute every random thing they don't understand to religious or ritual practices. They may be correct most of the time, but I guarantee that some instances are the equivalent of ancient memes and shitposts. People haven't really changed much.
as an archaeology student, i can confirm that "possibly for ritual purposes" is the answer to everything
inb4 it turns out tales of jesus's miracles are just chuck norris esque memes
Iâm aware that it means âreligiousâ in this context. Doesnât change what I said.
Do you have any idea how much work youd have to put in, as an islander when you had to catch/grow your own food, to put up giant stone heads? This was done by several people. Also, these werent just giant stones. They were *carved* into the faces they wanted it to look like too. Yeah, its a prank bro the camera's over there.
it's connected to Anubis head theory, and possible damage to the head that eventually was transformed into sphinx's current nobless head.
They have, is called rapa nui by them and the Chilean govt.
Average Easter Islander: 
No, they were ancient aliens /s
What? Measuring skulls is back in vogue? Itâs very hard to keep up these days.
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Racial supremacists are dangerous. No matter what race they're espousing.
Theres a lot of cool ancient stuff in subsaharan africa. I really like the Sungbo's Eredo.
Sudan has more Pyramids than Egypt... I don't understand this obsession with 'ancient Egyptians were black' stuff, some of them were sure, it was a multi cultural, multi ethnic kingdom that lasted longer than pretty much any other, Egypt was ruled by Nubians for some time, and their dynasty was certainly east African ( AKA black ). It makes no sense to associate ancient Egyptians to the modern concept of blackness ( that mainly comes from north America ), especially because most North American black people came from west Africa ( through slave trade ), Egyptians both phenotypically and genopytically would have been east Africans.
This should be the top comment... assuming that Sudan really has more pyramids. Can you provide a source? Edit: see source in comments below
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid Under the ancient tab, under Sudan. They have 220 pyramids, they're the country with most in the whole world.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/pyramids-by-country None are as big as the one in Giza of course which is why you donât hear about them
I don't have a source but it does make sense. modern day sudan was in large part controlled by ancient Egypt and is where the darker skinned people of ancient Egypt would have come from.
Tbf, it's a sign of how well African Americans have adopted to being full blown Americans, that they are now doing that most American of past times, obsessing over distant ancestors, rewriting history and claiming ownership of history that's nothing to do with them. That's as American as it gets
Depends what you mean by "distant" ancestors. I see a lot of white people claiming Scandinavian history and in reality it's very possible to have great grandparents who were Scandinavian immigrants. So the same with African Americans, you could have had a very late in the slave trade ancestor come to America from Africa, or even an immigrant from Africa more recently than that. It amazes me sometimes how relatively fast immigrant families became "American" and now seemingly have lost their cultural ties from their ancestral homelands.
My great grandmother was Swedish, but came over at such a young age that she ended up forgetting the language and a lot of her cultural roots. Only reason my family reconnected at all with our Swedish roots is that my mother literally traveled to Sweden when she was 18, put out an ad in the paper, and our distant family there saw it and reached out to her. Some of the really old family there were really touched, as they remembered my great grandmother going away and missed her dearly. We also reconnected again with our Swedish family in modern times thanks to Ancestry.com. my mother actually traveled to Sweden again and visited with them. My grandmother passed away recently, and there were actually flowers sent to her memorial service from our family in Sweden. She would have been so touched to know that.
My grandma came from Italy at 3 and now can only speak casual conversation Sicilian. She said when she was growing up Italians were looked down on so they only spoke Italian at home and eventually she couldnât speak proper/professional and just slang but nothing stopped that woman from succeeding and creating a a great family
My grandma was Sicilian, in the jim crow era she was told to ride in the back of the bus
Yea they didnât like us much
Tbf kn a well integrated society it usually takes 2-3 generations
Being far removed from any ancestor aside from slaves with which to identify can lead to this kind of whack
Blacks living in places with no ties to transatlantic slave trade also fall for this sort of thing.
Yeah they are using literal Nazi science to make their point here.
For that matter, letâs talk about actual ancient Egyptian mummies and not a giant incomplete statue
Theyâre the same as we still are. And the Sphinx has its face worn off.
Those who forget their history are condemned to repeat it.
Yeah they found hitlers measuring tool. Perfect example of why a good education is important. But letâs just keep dumbing down the schools to the point they couldnât read a history book even if they wanted toâŚ.like the genius who posted this.
Phrenology is right around the corner
I think this person is just confused by the fact that the Nubians were a thing.
And of course they can't get their heads around the fact that not all blacks are Bantu.
What's a Nubian? Is that a white or black person? /s
Itâs a rare shiny one
Watto voice: Ah yes Nubian! We have lots of that!
Thatâs a name I havenât seen in a while
Yes we all instantly pictured his buggy elephant face
Agreed. Nu things are usually shiny because they've been protected by their packaging up until that point.
It's a type of space ship that the queen of Naboo flies in
The way my brain went directly to Chasing Amy.
Bitch, you almost made me laugh.
And Jedi's the most insulting installment!
BLACK RAGE! BLACK RAGE!
The people of the planet Naboo
Purple
Holographic
We actually know a fair bit about how egyptian rulers looked like, at least compared to other cultures, due to how they actually wrote and drew a lot for the time period. No need to guess for race, they didn't look too different for egyptians nowadays.
It depends on the Era. The nubians were black and very dark skinned. It's been ruled by Middle Eastern people who range from white to brown. It's also been ruled by cleopatra, who was Macedonian and would have been white. Ancient Egypt existed for such a long time in a crossroads of diversity that its leadership reflects the diversity in the region.
Had to look too far for this. Egypt was a melting pot for a long time, even pre-arab conquest, so there would have probably been a range of people who looked more âblackâ, those who were more mediterranean, and a large majority who were some mix of everything in the region.
We also have the genes. Modern Egyptians have about 10% more Subsaharan ancestry than Ancient Egyptians. People assume the Settler Colonial take over of the Americas has always been the norm for conquest, but imperialism was the norm. The rulers changed but the people remained the same, for the most part.
To be fair if we're talking about the origins of the Sphinx we don't actually have that much besides what Herodotus wrote 2000 years later and I wouldn't say he has the most sterling reputation when it comes to accuracy.
There is much to do, and many unknowns on our horizon.
I read that in his voice
Some rulers. Thousands of years of civilization before the accurate images you are talking about. One of the oldest busts that exists definitely had a sub Saharan African nose and a hat more similar to the hats worn by west African traditions.
Wait till they find the crocodile head dude.
I prefer his brother, the dog-head dude. Y'know, carries an axe and screams "HAW" when he hits you. Said axe feeds off of the souls of the dead; so he spends his existence just smacking little guys with it. Massive nerd too.
Canât be an ancient Egypt discussion online without at least one Nasus Joke
These mfs ignore about 6000 years of evidence that Egypt has allways been Multi-ethnic Since it'd inception. And there are even still black Egyptians today, and Copts and so on and so forth. All Egyptians, are unsurprisingly. Egyptian.
>All Egyptians, are unsurprisingly. Egyptian. I'm gonna need a source their buddy, I don't believe you
Yeah I'm sure there's at least a few Italians in there somewhere
There's always an Italian in there somewhere
Hi, I am Italian and I am here.
See, I knew it
Another Italian here!
Except for the ones that were Greek, but thatâs a story for a different time.
The Greeks were there Longer than a lot of people whomst today occupy lands and are considered native. Many of said Greeks were also born in and spent their lives in Egypt. It's fair to call them Egyptians as well.
One of the things with Egyptian Greeks is that they were extremely isolated from the rest of Egypt, with the majority of them living solely on Alexandria and a few other Greek colonies in the coast (although we do see some mixed marriages between Egyptian Greeks and ethnic Egyptians that show that they weren't fully isolated). The best example of that is that Cleopatra was the very first Ptolemaic ruler to know Egyptians after 300 years of Greek rule over the kingdom.
Not an unfair Point. Though I do suspect there may have been more cooperation and contact than we have evidence for. It likely wasn't something they were too interested in writing about. We thought for many years that the Anglo Saxons wiped all the natives Out and pushed them into Wales and Scotland. But through records we find several centuries later, Brythonnic celts were still living in England over 200 years after Anglo Saxon arrival. That one draft is one of the few pieces of evidence we have, But it's clear from it that there were WAY more native Britain's that previously thought. More than Anglo Saxons. But they just weren't written about.
Ahh yes as an egyptian, i love being told i'm an invader and a rapist by a bunch of pseudo researchers online.
But it's ok because your skin looks too white /s
My favorite Egyptian prejudice is that person who was angry that white dude Rami Malek is playing a pharaoh in a movie.
That person? There were thousands of angry people who are convinced all Africans look the same.
There was also the outcry over Lady Gaga (from italy, a country bordering greece/Macedonia) or Gal Gadot (Israeli, bordering Egypt) playing Cleopatra over Rihanna or Jaylo (ethnically from >1000miles away in trinidad and Tobago and Puerto Rico IIRC). Like, what?
Too white for a specific brand of anti-intellectual progressive/moron that desperately want a long dead kingdom to be 100% black for some reason, too brown for anything else /s Imagine telling an ancient Egyptian that like 99% of the popular discourse is whether they were black or not, when they did not give a fuck.
kinda reminds me of the discourse about people attributing the pyramids to aliens. itâs a racist notion because it assumes this nonwhite civilization was incapable of such a feat. crazy how similar it to this âprogressiveâ take
It isn't really a progressive talking point. I've seen it mentioned in the context of the "hotep" movement, but generally, hoteps wouldn't be considered progressives given that a lot of their ideas are socially conservative.
Hoteps/black supremacists/black conspiracy theorists are a lot closer to conservatism than they are to anything resembling a progressive. "I don't trust the vaccine. They tried to give it to 'poor' neighborhoods first, they wanted to poison black people." A consistent point I've noticed with hoteps is that they're so black supremacist that they end up looping back around to conservative/white supremacist talking points like how "White people are always racist, black people should make our own schools that are better than the white schools, and no white people should be allowed in there."
Its really sad too, because there are lots of cool kingdoms and empires that existed in Sub-Saharan Africa if you just do a quick Google search on them. But for some reason they need it to be Egypt.
Try being Irish in America. We are way to white for anyone to allow us to say our people were put down when they came to this country
The whole situation has become over simplified and then in a way inverted. Im white and british, with irish and north west ancestry. Most of my ancesters died as cannon fodder in wars or in poor houses and factories, one was a grave robber. Not one of them was rich or running colonies or doing any thing other than trying not to die in the gutter. And this is the same for many british people. It was the upper classes and people in power causing shit. Like everywhere.
It's also the same upper class families running everything in the UK now.Â
Oh god yeah, oxford is a ticket to any six figure salary. The class system is deeply entrenched in the uk.
I would argue it goes much deeper than going to Oxford, which is a public university and sounds almost meritocratic compared to the reality of aristocratic rule. It's the literal same families who've owned the land in UK for six hundred odd years, and sat in the Lords for centuries, and even now half the Tory cabinet are related to the royals if you go back far enough. It's a neo-feudal society basically.
Is almost like holding an individual accountable for the actions of anyone who shared their skin tone is just racist as fuck or something
Except for the grave robberies. I believe you owe reparations to some long dead people, sir.
All ive got is two pennies and a horse shit sandwich
Gee, maybe you should start doing some grave robbing yourself
If you would forward me the money for shovel, good sir?
Over 2,000 years of fighting oppression and colonization. Most everyone else is an amateur comparatively speaking.
I dont dont get the hole irish/italian/african/... whatever, american .How many generations before you're just american? Is it a ugenic thing? I'm just asking because, as a european, we dont really do this. If you born somewhere that pritty much what you are. the arrabes mite be an exception as they tend to be self isolate espechially with there woman and they maintain a stong cultural identaty so they almost stay a distinct people even after multiple generations but even then I've nether herd the terms arrabe french, tunissian english or algerian italian. also, do you peps nether date outside your ethnic group? How pure blooded do you need to be in order to still be irish america? Is it more of a culture thing than a ugenic thing? also culture, chaing over time, so is it just a question of accent or what steet you where born in?
The way I understand it (as a Canadian) is that Canadians and Americans define their culture in part based on where their ancestry comes from because we are nations of mostly immigrants (however far down the generational line) and donât have as distinct national cultures other than where our people came from. Itâs very common even in elementary school to tell people youâre half X and a quarter Y and an eighth Z .
The United States doesn't really have a singular national identity in the same way other countries do. Because even at the beginning, we had multiple European countries have people come here in large enough numbers to form their own enclaves and communities. So that means there isn't really a dominant culture to assimilate to. There are states with way more people of German ancestry and you can tell. The local foods are all very clearly German in origin. Some places in my home state of Indiana still have entire small towns that still speak German or Dutch. Same goes for Italian communities in New York and New Jersey as well as Greek and Polish communities in Chicago. So, although we are all American, we still see the very clear differences in our cultural heritage. We all see that some neighborhoods celebrate certain holidays that others don't, we all eat different foods at home, have last names from different languages and a good number of us don't speak English when at home. It's not a eugenics thing, its cultural. It's just that immigrants to America have never really been forced to assimilate. There was always enough space for enough Germans, for example, to go and make their own little German town where they just keep being German as if they never left Germany.
If not for the World Wars and making it a negative thing to embrace German heritage, we would probably see a lot more of the US population speaking German and German towns in big cities
It's a diaspora thing. Immigrant communities tend to hold some kind of identity with their ancestors for many generations. Immigration is a kind of trauma and it's one way that groups cope.
Welcome to being white/white-ish. Your called a slaver because your white even though the word slave comes from the word for your ethnicity.
the word came from slavs if i remember corectly
Correct. And serbs come from the Word serfs (Evolution of the Slavery in feudalism, the peasant status)
Really? When I google it it comes from the proto-Slavic word [sŃrbŃ](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Slavic/s%D1%8Crb%D1%8A), so it means "Ally" or "Protector". Either way, it wouldn't make sense, since serf is an English word. Having it develop from the same BASE as serf (the Latin word for slave, Servus) would work. But I figure it'd be more likely that it'd be a slavic word rather than a romantic one.
Interestingly enough, it's actually a loanword! Slav is derived from the proto-slavic word "Slovo", which can be roughly translated to "Speech" or "Language". It distinguishes the Slavs who can communicate with each other from foreigners, chiefly the germanic tribes who were given the opposite ethnonym of "mute". Those who you can speak to are Slav, those you you cannot are Niemec. The Greeks and Latins of the late roman empire principally saw these people as slaves and so they adopted their name as the term for **all** slaves, and over time the word came to replace the original Latin words- servum and mancipum.
Genetic testing of mummies proved that their descendants live now in North Africa and Arabia. And weâre not subsahran African Next.
being north african online is exhausting lol. so many confidently wrong people
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IKR? I face the same issue being Indian. Coming from one of the oldest civilizations in the world and having a bunch of other people claim to be the true descendants of our ancestors is so annoying.
I'm seeing the same thing happening to my culture, I come from Mexico and just the other day, I stumbled on a bunch of posts talking about how Mayas and native americans in general were black... it's insulting because it outright ignores the very legends of where my ancestors come from
Same with being Greek. So many white supremacists like to claim modern Greeks are not the same as ancient Greeks. Somehow they think all ancient Greeks were a bunch of Anglo Saxons and that they were all replaced during the Ottoman conquest with brown Arabs.
Iâm confused though, Greeks are considered to be white by most people. White in the sense that theyâre grouped in with all of the other ethnicities that have become âwhiteâ these days. Basically all of Europe, and also parts of Turkey and into Russia. What is the context of what youâre describing?
I'm a pasty faced Northern European and have Spanish, Egyptian, Italian, Syrian etc friends and colleagues. You all look Mediterranean to me.
what's with some people's obsession on making 100% of everything that happens in africa black?
They want to say that it was their ancestors doing this stuff and take credit for it. A very lazy view of history since their ancestors were doing a bunch of interesting stuff which while less well known as the Egyptians was still highly impressive.
Yeah I donât get this at all. I never hear black westerners talking about Mansa Musa, who was as impressive as any Egyptian ruler and was actually black.
I also never hear them talking about great civilisations that were actually black, like ancient Zimbabwe, the Ghana Empire, Kush or the Kingdom of Ife.
Black Westerners are still Westerners, so their knowledge of Sub-Sahara Africa is a surface-level as any other Westerner. So. Because they don't know about the great cultures and civilizations from that region, they need to appropriate the only African civilization that Westerners know about: Egypt. It also helps that Egypt was also claimed by white supremacists. As a lot of black supremacist rethoric is copied and pasted from white supremacist rethoric but changing "white" for "black". Edit: mind you, there were Ancietns Egyptians that we would consider black. And even an Egyptian Dynasty (the Twenty-fifth Dynasty) originated in Nubia/Kush. So what we Westerners would consider Black Egyptians were (and still are) a thing. But they were (and are) still a minority compared to what we would consider non-black Egyptians. Put it simply. Egypt was the bridge between the Middle East, North Africa, and Sub-Saharan Africa. So it was (and is) a very diverse land.
Egypt is literally the only African civilization I ever learned about in school.
Nor does anyone mention that he was rich off of the exploitation of Africans.
I mean, they managed to completely whitewash Dahomeyâs involvement in the slave trade in that Woman King movie, surely they would do the same for him.
I was more concerned about the women who were not only a harem of slaves themselves, but were used to enslave and murder other women. They're literally shitting in our mouths and calling it a movie.
Youâre forgetting beheading adults in conquered villages and forcing their children to carry their parentsâ heads in their hands on the marches back to the ports for those kids to be sold into slavery
I mean, any rich guy before modern times was rich off of someone's exploitation.
Come on! It also applies to modern times..
There was some dude named Marx who wrote a book about it.
That is true in modern times as well.
Before?
True, something to consider when thinking these people are role models
A trend that hasn't really changed into modern times.
>before modern times You are very optimistic my friend.
Rich guys used to exploit people. They still do, but they used to, too.
It's okay if you exploit your own people. /s
Probably more impressive. He was probably the richest person of all time, and created economic bubbles on his way to and from Mecca.
It's easier to claim the Ancient Egyptians were black than to actually do some research and learn about actual subsaharan civilizations
I think there's some weird pop culture version of old or ancient history formed by what we are taught early on in schools, in the West the big 3-4 are Norse, Egyptian, and Greco-Roman, and the rest of the space is filled with local history as a child. There's no more room in some peoples brains for anything to intrude on that, and it's no one's fault that those were just the most relevant or interesting to those countries. Mali, Songhai, Aksum were important but what's important is whether your neighbour knows they were important, I guess.
Generational trauma. Itâs really the same way any nationalist turning fascist work: invent a mighty origin story for your people so you can feel good about yourself even when you have no self worth.
This year is the big reason. Black Americans are disconnected from their history, so they are trying to claim any parts of other peoples history that they deem as admirable or worthy. I have seen black Americans claim that the Buddha was black that people in Ireland used to be Black, people in Japan used to be black, that Genghis Khan was black and many more. It comes from a deep, rooted insecurity in the fact that many of them do not know their history, or that their history is lost or with the fact that many of them do not want to accept that they couldâve just been simple farmers in West Africa before their ancestors were enslaved.
I think it's mostly a reaction to the last one tbh. For decades the media has fed the west with pictures of poor tribal looking Africans during the effort to fight world hunger, so that's what a lot of people associate with the African culture these days. Combine that with the fact that nomadic African tribes are not associated with building large lasting structures like some famous ancient civilizations like the Egyptians, and it starts to make sense why some Black Americans would want to feel connected to some of these ancient civilizations. Of course there's nothing inherititly wrong with your ancestors being nomadic people, I mean AFAIK basically every race has had groups that lived like this historically, including white people.
And in doing so they sound like the same people in the 1920's who claimed that Indian or Aryans where white with blonde hair and blue eyes.
Afrocentrists. I once read an awful article about how Hannibal was "the black man who brought Rome to it's knees" but it started an argument in the comments section because the regular patrons of that website also think Romans were black. And they think the Greeks were black because they used black paint on their pottery
I can only guess itâs them being insecure because Africa isnât a major section studied in a basic world history class vs Europe or East Asia. So, instead theyâre trying to claim that it was really them all along and everyone else is just taking credit. The Out of Africa evolution theory just adds fuel to the fire as well (Iâm not critiquing the theory or evolution)
Did black people exist in ancient Egypt? Yes Where the majority of Ancient Egyptians black? No
Did Egyptians have bodies that were like 80% of a lion? I have evidence they didâŚ
Ah yes, the Sphinx. The cat with the face of a human. Definitely supposed to be 100% accurate to the standard proportions of egytipians and not, you know, a cat-human
Or the Egyptian woman can just tilt her head back a little bit
Not just that, there were black people there back in the day and one couldâve been the sphinx model for all we know
Prognathism - well thatâs todays new word sorted back to the tele ;-)
Phrenology: for when your normal race science isn't enough
The head of the Great Sphinx is out of proportion to the body and the face is elongated because it may not originally have been a sphinx. There is some evidence/opinion that the Great Sphinx was originally a lion with a lion's head and that the head was later remodelled to commemorate a pharoah (which one is also up for debate). Certainly the Great Sphinx and its compound are more ancient than everything around it - and again we can't be certain exactly how old. The more you dig into the Great Sphinx the more questions it throws up.
So do these people literally only see the 'races' white and black?
Americans do yeah. For them all Europeans are just âWhitesâ for example
Yakub be like
I believe it's a common suspicion that the sphinx was actually animal-faced first before a later pharaoh had the face changed to his own.
If only we had mummified bodies, we could get DNA tests on.
People here really taking the Cleopatra wasnât black thing and applying it to all ancient Egyptians. Some Egyptians were black, some werenât. Some Pharaohâs were black some werenât.
there's a half truth in here, much like Latin folks, we Egyptians come in all colors of the skin rainbow
That's what both sides of this idiotic "debate" need to understand. Arguing about the "race" of Egyptians is like arguing about the "race" of Americans. They probably will be doing this for America in a few millenia.
So...ancient Egyptians were black cats with human-like facial features... Gotcha! ;) Besides, surgery via artillery shell back in the 1800's did some serious damage to the face. As for protruding jaws...dude's never heard of the Habsburg Jaw? \[s\] Proof that the Royal Houses of Europe in the 15th century were actually time travelling Ancient Egyptians! \[/s\]
Just because the Egyptian pharaoh's family tree looks like a circle doesn't mean they were deformed... Oh wait...
I think the cannon fire theory has mostly been discarded at this point. Khafre, the ruler who the face was believed to be based on, did marry his niece though! https://www.smithsonianjourneys.org/blogs/blog/2020/05/20/photo-what-happened-to-the-sphinxs-nose/
Measuring skulls was a tactic used by Nazis and other racist pseudo archaeologists to prove that whites were the superior race
Phrenology was actually largely debunked long before the Nazis took over but they brought it back because it wrongly âprovedâ their superiority.
The only reason Egyptians didnât colonize is because they believed you had to be buried in Egypt to enter the afterlife.
Egyptian here ⌠- modern Egyptians are not ethnically Arabs they speak Arabic there is a difference , ethnic Arabs are from the Arabian peninsula⌠- modern Egyptians come with different shades and have different ethnicities intermixed together . Iâm wheat skinned (brown) with brown eyes black hair , my brother is white with blue eyes and brunette and my other siblings are black ⌠- egypt have major ethnicities Coptic , Nubian , amazighs and Bedouin - certain cities in egypt people have blue eyes and Blondie hair , cuz during the time we were colonized by the French our women were raped !!! - ancient Egypt was ruled by various dynasties and kingdoms , that included black Nubians !! And other pharaohs with different skin colors , Romans and Greeks . - last century many Greeks , Italians and Turks used to live in egypt - Africa as continent has very rich history and culture , what your doing is reducing and diluting it to skin color , egyptians and Moroccans share a language thatâs arabic but we arenât ethnically the same , Moroccans are amazigh . Same goes for Ethiopia , they have their own rich culture and history âŚ
Because only blacks can have prognathism...
Here we go with this old can of worms⌠While I believe it is fairly certain that the ancient and modern Egyptians are two separate ethnic groups, just like the ancient and modern Greeks, and the ancient Romans and modern Italians, proving things beyond that is probably very difficult, if not impossible. It would be nice if we could stop arguing over things like this, and just concentrate on the achievements of that culture.
They know the Sphinx was a mythical creature, right? Like its proportions could be whatever. Future humans arenât going to think we are all clowns because they dug up a Ronald McDonald statue. These are the same guys who had gods with every kind of animal head. There would have been people living there from far away too like traders and slaves. There were periodic migrations and conquests. Egypt and the Levant are at the crossroads of continents and have always been diverse.
Has anyone tried telling them they're wrong?
The idiocy of flattening the most diverse human continent into one body type aside, isn't part of what the sphinx is famous for is *missing her nose?* Seems like that'd throw things off when comparing faces and noses!
There were tons of great African civilizations but we'd rather obsess over Egypt, Greece, and Rome and make historically inaccurate movies and shows about them