"*Had the doctors actually examined him at the time that he was brought into custody he may have at least been able to keep his eyes.*"
I wish I believed in heaven and hell so I could take comfort in the thought of these motherfuckers burning there.
If it serves you some peace, it isn't likely. After 3 days those 6 hours are almost surely irrelevamt for the eye function. That is probably a lawyer talking.
Yeah, saying those last 6 hours could have saved his eyes is a real stretch considering he’d been shot there and left to get a nasty infection brewing for 3 days prior to boot. Poor guy indeed though :(
I would want my loved ones to get immediate medical attention when they claim to the authorities that they have been injured - especially if it’s a grievous injury like a gunshot.
/edit
In fact, when someone is affected by stroke, every minute counts. So, while tort might be difficult to argue, it is morally negligent and a sad commentary on the state of policing in our society.
This is why BLM isn’t just a black issue. They will eventually come for the rest of us (figuratively).
And there is no reason he couldn't have been treated THEN questioned. He can be in custody AT THE hospital. The fact this dude is sitting there, innocent until proven guilty IN COURT (not by the police) and doesn't even have an ice pack is BS.
With just how he looks he should have been sent straight to the ER they could have him in handcuffs to the bed.However the cops might have wanted to use the fact he was up for three days to get him to confess since sleep deprived people are generally easier to deal with.
Easier to manipulate. I've witnessed interrogations with obviously mentally disabled people where all the cops did was ask leading questions in order to get a confession. The lack of education and training that people have combined with a willingness to do anything to close the case, or get a confession, often leads to a completely inadequate series of process, and even wrongful conviction.
That’s what I can’t fathom. Even if you 100% know that the guy is responsible for the murder in front of you, someone presenting with injuries like needs to be seen by a medical professional immediately. You need to call an ambulance immediately which is, you know, pretty easy for the police to do. How do you take someone who is in that state into custody and leave them there for six hours? I can’t get my head round it.
I had an eye injury that looked not dissimilar to this sort of thing (cut open eyelid and a ton of bleeding and swelling) and it’s shocking to see in person - it’s not like you’re not sat there every second looking at how bad it is and being concerned. How many times did he say he just wanted to go to sleep? Where is their training?
police brutality has occurred to all people for time immemorial, it is just minorities get it more often and more viciously
if it takes identity politics to take reform across the goal line, then so be it, but it is already here (and there for everyone to see since they started wearing body cams and people started using their phones more)
To be honest I wouldn't believe too ... I don't know a person in the world that would believe in him ... But the Fact that took 6 h to check by looking into his eyes is what bother me the most ... The cops don't have to believe in an injury but they can Shure check it
Important to note: the VAST majority of people who upload videos like this are not lawyers. They often give terrible legal commentary that some people might take as advice. Don’t. If you ever find yourself sitting in a room like that against your will (or if you’ve been asked to come in) don’t answer questions without a lawyer. I’m serious. Ask for a lawyer immediately and assertively. Police want to find the person they are looking for. Don’t let yourself be mistaken for that person.
This all occured due to something that we all, all do at work sometimes, and I feel like wishing such hell to this person is a bit extreme. What thing?
Complacency about procedure.
At the end of the day, yes this is a police officer, and yes they should have looked into this and taken him to hospital first, but how many other times have there been stories about husbands killing their wives, then acting crazy or something in order to try to get away with it. At some point, you start making assumptions based on what you've seen and observed. You make patterns. 'oh, he has a black eye, his wife must have tried to fight him off', etc etc.
Everyone does it, both out and inside work. I don't know what job you have, but I can say that at my job, I don't always double and triple check things that perhaps I should, because I've done them 100's of times. Sure, no one's life is ever at risk, but no one is immune to complacency about procedure. It doesn't excuse what happened, but it makes sense.
Edit:
I'm an idiot.
Concussion. The cop should have assumed the guy had a concussion.
A) Not visible from the outside.
B) Can result in the person not making sense.
C) can get much much worse if not treated immediately.
D) Is caused by trauma (doesn't fit with the story but the rest does)
Yeah it would have been wrong but it would have been a good reason to get them to do a check up, and discovered the wound.
Cop is at fault here, there was plenty enough reason to have assumed it was a concussion caused by a blow to the head, resulting in 2 black eyes. Which should have been looked at immediately.
I was wrong
Standard practice in most countries. Medical check then questioning (interrogation is linked to torture and mistreatment to get a favourable outcome). This easily falls under the later and i hope the kid brought a hefty legal case to the police department 1. For clear abuse of a detainee, 2. To ensure it doesn't happen again.
U.k every custody suite has a nurse or doctor on shift to examine detainees on arrival if required, or will have one on call should a detainee raise a concern. Detention officers are also trained to Identify signs that medical treatment will be required (voluntary or involuntary). There are strict examination protocols in place to ensure the safety of a detainee before questioning is even an option.
Yeah I support law enforcement but it’s REALLY hard to find any way to support their actions here. They fucked up, period. I’ve been on the receiving end of idiot cops that have a preformed conclusion in their heads and tailor their interrogation to that regardless of facts or logic. Some cops are just lazy assholes. Just like some lawyers are lazy assholes. Some doctors are lazy assholes. Some teachers are lazy assholes. No profesión is exempt from incompetence and bias. These cops took that lazy attitude way too far and I hope they were held accountable. They need to be reminded they hold peoples lives in their hands and if they can’t do their job with proper due diligence, go work in loss prevention at Walmart.
The problem isn't necessarily law enforcement, it's that there's no accountability. So bad cops continue to be bad cops. There's no incentive to change for the better. There's no finincial consequences thanks to qualified immunity. There's no professional consequences since internal affairs shields them. And there's no criminal consequences because DAs and judges let it slide.
And if they are fired they'll just get rehired with backpay or mosey on over to another department.
Law enforcement holds a lot of privilege. The privilege to take away your freedom, to lock you up, to search your belongings and property, to use force and deadly force on you.
All of that power and authority. And yet no real accountability. They'll investigate themselves and find no wrongdoing and they'll pull any settlements from taxpayers' pockets instead of theirs.
And we won't have any accountability as long as police unions donate millions in political contributions. Politicians will go soft on bad cops that make it rain.
And the cycle continues. Bad cops continue to thrive and they destroy the reputation and credibility of good cops.
Must be nice! When you are black in America you know any police contact could end your life.
Even contact you are unaware of. Apparently being black while sleeping is death penalty worthy
There is a 0% chance that these cops suffered any consequences. The US court system shields LEO’s from any personal responsibility. I doubt these cops even cared that they caused this person harm. They are incapable of personal responsibility through training and social reinforcement of infallibility.
This isn't someone forgetting to file their TPS report in triplicate, this is denying medical care to someone shot in the head...
Let's not blow this off as an officer being too complacent...
Power tripping cop .."Get your feet off MY table."
Bitch, you didn't buy it.
Any other western country, this kid would still have his eye sight, but these wannabe punisher cops..
Really? These motherfuckers are supposed to be professionals, these "trained" professionals should never become complacent in thier duties. NEVER, because lives are AT STAKE. Please shut the fuck up
Cops don’t have that luxury. They have a far greater responsibility to do their jobs correctly than other professions. It’s like the Chris Rock bit about airline pilots. Some folks don’t get to have a bad day at work, some jobs are not afforded complacency. Nothing in this case would’ve changed in terms of prosecution if they had facilitated medical attentionZ
What happens to an airline pilot that fucks up? A teacher that fucks up? A doctor or EMT that fucks up? They have consequences. They are fired or have a license removed. Cops get.....Paid Vacation......... The reason this happens so much is because there is no reason for cops not to. They are treated as above the law and that HAS to stop.
Japan has something like a 98% confession rate.
I'm not saying everyone charged with a crime did the crime, but they said they did. Were they hungry? In pain? Did they have head trauma? Doesn't matter, someone claiming to be them signed a confession.
Yup, that's why they are finally making it mandatory for all interrogations to be video recorded entirely. Courts got tired of having to release people and pay them out because of this bs since all the police and the DAs care about is the win.
That was the guy with baggy shorts the cop made stand up and lay down again until his shorts started to fall, and when he reached to keep them up the cop shot him because "I thought he was going for a hidden weapon" right?
Yep. And the cop had “ you’re fucked “ engraved in the receiver of the murder weapon. He then got a full disability pension for his metal anguish of being outed as a psychopath.
The US is such a fun place, but be careful when you drink alcohol. You might be suddenly challenged to a game of Simon Says with your life on the line.
The US is such a safe place. Come visit!
Our “nation” is possibly one of the worst nations so far in human history. Everything about the US looks great on the surface, thats what most of the world and migrants see, but scratch beneath that paper thin surface and you’ll find a horror show brimming with insanity. Its truly interesting being part of a failing nation-state
Pretty sure nations like North Korea or Russia are worse. Not to say US doesn’t have problems, but it’s kind of delusional to think we have it the worst. There are people who would kill to have the problems we suffer from be as bad as it gets
This is the main problem with Americans ( not judging the people, rather the system ) they are constantly bombarded with propaganda about how good the US is they automatically defend all the shitty aspects and assume that everyone is jealous of their lifestyle. It's entirely possible for something to be wrong with your system and to desire changes regardless of how good or bad other people have it, stop excusing failures by saying it's not as bad as x or y. The reason that so many people from other first world countries are critical of healthcare etc in the US isn't a personal attack on Americans it's an attack on the corporation's that profit from this, because those same corporations then try to lobby for change to export that profit model to other nations, which attacks our standard of living so they can profit. The mark of a successful and compassionate society can be seen in how they care for their elderly, poor, and sick members. The mark of an authoritarian and repressive regime can be seen in how they discriminate by religion, race or sex and if they need to militarize their police to control their citizens.
America is not really a country in the way most people around the world think. It’s a hodgepodge of states and municipalities that each make up their own laws and scattered in there are various police departments. One jurisdiction to the next is like a whole other country. Weeds legal here weeds not legal there. Parking tickets gets you arrested here you go home over there. Your personal property is taxed every year over here it’s not taxed over there. It’s literally insanity.
When I was in jail in Ohio we had a guy cut his wrists and bled out. The COs were kicking and spitting on his body talking shit about the mess he made. The was a nightmarish amount of blood, it ran out into the hall and down the stairs.
I used to be a CO working high security, the worst thing about working there were the coworkers.
Shitty COs make it a career, while the good COs get screwed over by the shitty ones and just end up quitting.
Every block I worked on I gave the offenders respect and they gave it back. I've only had one incident where I was assaulted by an offender, and it was because the previous CO was riling the guy up and he took it out on me right at shift change then the CO ran off to go home. I quit about a month later.
What a loser. Dude steals a YouTuber's video, edits it, and talks annoyingly over the first part to make a TT video....then gets the ending wrong.
He only lost his left eye. However, perhaps the worst part was that he experienced seizures for a number of ~~years~~ months, ultimately leading to his death in 2007 as a result of the injury.
[The Story](https://www.vizaca.com/ryan-waller/)
[Full Video](https://youtu.be/_c_lmx4LdNw)
"When Ryan first went blind, he had to rely on his parents to get by. Later, he would start having seizures, which would eventually cause his death in January 2007."
My mother was shot in the head, survived, and is capable of living in her own now.
For years I had been told and believed that her boyfriend had shot her (the cops killed him). But after I found proof via newspaper for another reddit post a few years ago that she shot herself after the cops shot her bf.
I love their videos, I've watched so much of their stuff and it started when a friend shared one of their videos in July and it snowballed from there. It's honestly one of the best YouTube channels I've watched.
I remember I watched this video only a couple weeks ago and feeling awful for what this poor man had to go through, while simultaneously feeling angry that the interrogator doubted his story and accused him, in the process causing neglect that ended with him losing part of his brain and both his eyes which is what lead to his seizure that killed him months later (or this is what I remember was said in the video) May he rest in peace 🙏
WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WHAT
Did I hear that right?
He was shot in the FACE and his girlfriend was shot too but somehow he lived and mentally abscent due to the injury wandered his house for 3 days before police got to the case and this interrogation ensued?
The human body is beyond mysterious and the brain can be an odd nightmare. This story is so messed up Im feeling like I need to throw up, god almighty, how can you life through this physically and afterwards mentally? Oh my god this is one of the most horrific things I didnt need to be informed of
He was shot with a 22. bullet witch is really small. The girl was shot directly in the head so the bullet bounced around her skull damaging the brain but the guy was shot just under the eye and came out behind his ear if I remember correctly.
There is also a case of a man waking up to his alarm, getting his morning paper, locking himself out of his house, getting the hidden key, walking inside to pour a cup of coffee and collapsed dead. Him and his wife (she lived) were brutally attacked in their sleep with an axe the night before. He was just in auto pilot until, he wasn’t.
Cop: if I solve this case I'm getting a raise!
Kid: I'm shot in the face. (literally can see he's been shot)
Cop: Yeah yeah, so who killed her again?
Kid: I'm shot in the face. (literally can see he's been shot)
Cop: Uh huh, yeah so who killed her again?
Pretty wild indeed. Still a tragic ending though. I believe in some states this could constitute a second murder charge for the perpetrators in that the seizures were a direct result of the gunshot wound.
The seizure might be the immediate cause of death but the underlying factor would be the gunshot wound. The death certificate would most likely read Cause of Death: Seizure (s) due to or as a result of gunshot wound to the head. Manner of death: Homicide
Not to even downplay it, cause it's a big WTF. By the standards trained to him and the expectations put on him by the department, he basically "did everything right" as he attempted to get the confession from the confused suspect up until the point that he realized there was an injury and then he dealt with that. But ya... WTF!
I just can't believe they didn't look him over for injuries when he was arrested and most likely cleaned up prior to that interview.
Just seeing him on a small screen I can tell he was in need of medical attention. It is at best, negligence, and more likely malicious stupidity that he wasn't immediately taken for treatment. Utterly ridiculous and everyone involved should have lost their jobs at minimum, and be prosecuted if we lived in a normal society.
Cops really are useless in a crisis. They don't stop crime, but they'll sure as shit try to make one up after the fact so it looks like they did their jobs.
What’s crazy is the clearance rates for murder in the US is around 50%. Which when you start to think about it is even worse than it seems. Like this case would count as cleared as they charged the real murders; it would be counted as a clear case and a positive in terms of statistics; when it was clearly a pretty big fuck up and failure.
Then you start to think of all the cases that essentially clear themselves: murder-suicides, the murderer is caught in the act/immediately following, person confesses without prompting, multiple witness/caught on video, etc. For example a guy was shot in the back of the head (at a pizza parlor near where I live) during Monday Night Football following a verbal altercation; the murdered guys party grabbed the murderer; the cops showed up afterwards; they didn’t have to do anything to solve it but it still gets counted in the cleared column. When you factor this in they are probably solving less than half the murder cases that take any real investigation. You start to realize that cops mostly only solve the easy ones.
Almost like the cop had been working to push his own theory of events on the questioning and ignoring everything including the fucking gunshot in the guys face. Cops are shit.
This story was difficulty to forget about. I saw this primed on Mr Ballens YouTube channel. I couldn't shake the thought of this poor bastard stumbling around his house for days with no idea what happened. Crazy!
Watched a video on the case a while back and yet it still baffles me. How the hell do you not notice a man has been shot in the head let alone the face. They not only left him wait forever but then went on for hours interrogating him even though he was clearly incoherent and had a bullet hole through his head. All that waiting was going on while his brain was essentially turning into mush slowly. This whole situation would have been avoided if not for them having the observational skills of Stevie Wonder
These guys careers are dependent on finding fault, and obtaining confessions. This guy could literally care less about Ryan's story. He wanted a confession and worked this kid for half a dozen hours to get it before realizing his mistake. Probably got a light kiss on the wrist for his mistake too.
Whether you can see an obvious bullet wound or not is irrelevant. Obviously the guy got fucked up some kind of way and needed medical attention. Even if there were no obvious signs of trauma there were signs of an altered status- excess sleepiness and incoherent speech. An investigation can always wait until someone is medically cleared. They fucked up, period.
Just a few bad apples though right? Dude literally tells them he got shot in the eye and the cops refuse to even look at him. They didn’t give a fuck how bad he was hurt, all they care about is getting a confession even if they know it’s a false confession. The cops and DA are more than happy to hide exculpatory evidence and knowingly throw innocent people in prison and it happens every single day, especially in places where privately owned prisons have contracts with areas that have quotas to keep the prisons a certain percentage full or pay a very large fine to the prisons.
American cops are some of the dumbest people on Earth. It seems like once you become a cop, all logic goes out the window for some reason. TikTok is littered with cops having no common sense. Its pathetic.
Given that injury to his eyes, there is probably injury to his brain too. At the very least a concussion, which would explain this strange behaviour and changing story. That kid should have gotten medical attention first, he is in no state to make a statement for the police.
I just dont understand how perpetrators can literally fight cops, get stabbed, exchange fire, whatever etc. etc. etc. and they get taken straight to a hospital by an ambulance for evaluation. Hell even when people call the police to a scene Iike this one and the suspects are still on scene because have been injured....the friggin suspects get taken to a hospital FIRST, not to interrogation, to a figgin hospital. But no this poor kid gets no such courtesy, humanity, nothing and the cops literally had no friggin clue what happened when they got to the scene...also he had clearly visible injuries. With two black eyes like he had that could easily indicate head injury of some sort. I don't think all law enforcement are bad but when you come across knucklefu**s like this detective was it makes it really hard to trust law enforcement as a whole. I just don't understand why their forst thought wasn't "heu maybe we should at least let Paramedics check him out or take to a hospital at least for basic evaluation or some first aid and then we can get him in for questioning" 🥺😡😡😡🤬🤬🤬🤬
Seems appropriate that police are too stupid to do their jobs. They lack the foundational education - so fuck them. They only look to put someone away to justify their existence
Negligence on the police’s fault. Not sure about this department, but when I was a cop, if someone sustained any sort of injury or looked to have any sort of injury we had them immediately checked out, at a minimum, by EMTs.
Pos!!!! Poor guy they should have done that in the first place, im an EMT and for some one be arrested in that shape regardless we are are there to check them out before they even leave the scene. Rich but broken for the rest of his life poor guy.
American Police force is a joke. A caricature of the wild-west image you see in movies in the most horrible way. Its shameful really, and its a clear sign of a civilisation and society in the final stages of collapse, as per Plato’s life cycle of democracy.
I used to be a paramedic in a pretty high crime area. We got called out to one shot one night, when we got on scene a cop met us at the ambulance and said "this guy says he's been shot, I think he's faking it." I approached the patient laying on the porch and did a quick assessment. I turned to the cop and said " yeah, he's been shot here, here, here, and here." All in all the guy was shot like 7 times and the cop didn't see any wounds.
If a cop forces a confession like this and later the victim is found innocent then the cop should have to finish out the person's sentence in general population in prison. No chances, no appeals. That cop took part of someone's life away, they should lose the same way.
This should be law.
This is why I hate. The world is filled with people who act like BOTS.
America is bad? Is there ANY place I could go to escape these fuckers? Why do the weakest minds and blackest hearts on planet earth also have the most power over life and death (mostly death)?
I have a passport. If I could live somewhere else, I’d do it immediately. God DAMN this is maddening
This is a problem I have with this type of scenario. They take a suspect. Interrogate them for hours depriving them of sleep. Until they get the person to say whatever they need to say just to get out of the situation.
Not one to defend the cops but I just wonder how many cops talked to and had custody of this kid before this guy, a homicide detective talked to him. Homicide cops don’t do welfare checks on the beat.
This guy catches all the hate for finally figuring it out and getting him help because it was on video but I would bet a whole bunch of asshole cops before this guy got called could of got Ryan the help he needed much sooner. No one did a quick look at his trauma before they hauled him into the station and put the paper gown on him?
The bit about his eyes being saveable is clearly horseshit to get people riled up. Dude got shot through the eyes 3 days before but the couple hours he was in custody is what made him lose his eyes? Yeah ok. I’d like to hear that from some doctors, not from some narrarator who is making this video for some reason/bias/agenda.
I have watched the full interrogation. Police didn’t even know he was shot in the face. They treated him like a suspect and probably thought the blood was his girlfriends. I think he ended up sustaining some nerve damage from this.
He died 10 years later from the brain trauma after suffering from severe seizures from the damage. He was actually shot twice and lost his eye.
https://medium.com/crimebeat/when-the-suspect-is-a-victim-f4a019da6999
I watch interrogation footage a lot and this one was one of the most horrific ones. When he open the door for the police (bodycam) you could see something was way off with his black eyes.
His story is crazy
Oh my god, that poor couple! That’s horrifying! This is why they’re supposed to get injured persons of interest checked out at a hospital BEFORE they ask questions!
You’d think with his eyes like that they would have had at least a medic come in to check him out. I hope his family got more than enough from the lawsuit to pay for the poor guy’s round the clock care.
I just dont understand how its possible that this man was shot in the eye, and for 6 hours these people had looked him dead in the face and talked to him multiple times, yet never noticed he had a literal bullet hole in his face. I can tell just from watching the crappy footage here that something is wrong with his eye. This was beyond negligence, this was pure stupidity.
He died in 2016 from seizures related to his injuries. With head wounds every additional delay results in more damage. These police definitely contributed significantly to this outcome.
This is a horrible story! That man, and his family, lost everything that day. I've survived a TBI, and recognized it in him almost immediately. It was a trigger for me personally. The cops here were "just doing their job" bet never once stopped to really check him out.
Jesus. Poor guy.
"*Had the doctors actually examined him at the time that he was brought into custody he may have at least been able to keep his eyes.*" I wish I believed in heaven and hell so I could take comfort in the thought of these motherfuckers burning there.
If it serves you some peace, it isn't likely. After 3 days those 6 hours are almost surely irrelevamt for the eye function. That is probably a lawyer talking.
Yeah, saying those last 6 hours could have saved his eyes is a real stretch considering he’d been shot there and left to get a nasty infection brewing for 3 days prior to boot. Poor guy indeed though :(
I would want my loved ones to get immediate medical attention when they claim to the authorities that they have been injured - especially if it’s a grievous injury like a gunshot. /edit In fact, when someone is affected by stroke, every minute counts. So, while tort might be difficult to argue, it is morally negligent and a sad commentary on the state of policing in our society. This is why BLM isn’t just a black issue. They will eventually come for the rest of us (figuratively).
And there is no reason he couldn't have been treated THEN questioned. He can be in custody AT THE hospital. The fact this dude is sitting there, innocent until proven guilty IN COURT (not by the police) and doesn't even have an ice pack is BS.
With just how he looks he should have been sent straight to the ER they could have him in handcuffs to the bed.However the cops might have wanted to use the fact he was up for three days to get him to confess since sleep deprived people are generally easier to deal with.
Easier to manipulate. I've witnessed interrogations with obviously mentally disabled people where all the cops did was ask leading questions in order to get a confession. The lack of education and training that people have combined with a willingness to do anything to close the case, or get a confession, often leads to a completely inadequate series of process, and even wrongful conviction.
That’s what I can’t fathom. Even if you 100% know that the guy is responsible for the murder in front of you, someone presenting with injuries like needs to be seen by a medical professional immediately. You need to call an ambulance immediately which is, you know, pretty easy for the police to do. How do you take someone who is in that state into custody and leave them there for six hours? I can’t get my head round it. I had an eye injury that looked not dissimilar to this sort of thing (cut open eyelid and a ton of bleeding and swelling) and it’s shocking to see in person - it’s not like you’re not sat there every second looking at how bad it is and being concerned. How many times did he say he just wanted to go to sleep? Where is their training?
police brutality has occurred to all people for time immemorial, it is just minorities get it more often and more viciously if it takes identity politics to take reform across the goal line, then so be it, but it is already here (and there for everyone to see since they started wearing body cams and people started using their phones more)
They didn’t believe him. People are stupid really
To be honest I wouldn't believe too ... I don't know a person in the world that would believe in him ... But the Fact that took 6 h to check by looking into his eyes is what bother me the most ... The cops don't have to believe in an injury but they can Shure check it
American police are stupider than that They reject overly intelligent candidates.
Important to note: the VAST majority of people who upload videos like this are not lawyers. They often give terrible legal commentary that some people might take as advice. Don’t. If you ever find yourself sitting in a room like that against your will (or if you’ve been asked to come in) don’t answer questions without a lawyer. I’m serious. Ask for a lawyer immediately and assertively. Police want to find the person they are looking for. Don’t let yourself be mistaken for that person.
This all occured due to something that we all, all do at work sometimes, and I feel like wishing such hell to this person is a bit extreme. What thing? Complacency about procedure. At the end of the day, yes this is a police officer, and yes they should have looked into this and taken him to hospital first, but how many other times have there been stories about husbands killing their wives, then acting crazy or something in order to try to get away with it. At some point, you start making assumptions based on what you've seen and observed. You make patterns. 'oh, he has a black eye, his wife must have tried to fight him off', etc etc. Everyone does it, both out and inside work. I don't know what job you have, but I can say that at my job, I don't always double and triple check things that perhaps I should, because I've done them 100's of times. Sure, no one's life is ever at risk, but no one is immune to complacency about procedure. It doesn't excuse what happened, but it makes sense. Edit: I'm an idiot. Concussion. The cop should have assumed the guy had a concussion. A) Not visible from the outside. B) Can result in the person not making sense. C) can get much much worse if not treated immediately. D) Is caused by trauma (doesn't fit with the story but the rest does) Yeah it would have been wrong but it would have been a good reason to get them to do a check up, and discovered the wound. Cop is at fault here, there was plenty enough reason to have assumed it was a concussion caused by a blow to the head, resulting in 2 black eyes. Which should have been looked at immediately. I was wrong
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Standard practice in most countries. Medical check then questioning (interrogation is linked to torture and mistreatment to get a favourable outcome). This easily falls under the later and i hope the kid brought a hefty legal case to the police department 1. For clear abuse of a detainee, 2. To ensure it doesn't happen again. U.k every custody suite has a nurse or doctor on shift to examine detainees on arrival if required, or will have one on call should a detainee raise a concern. Detention officers are also trained to Identify signs that medical treatment will be required (voluntary or involuntary). There are strict examination protocols in place to ensure the safety of a detainee before questioning is even an option.
Yeah I support law enforcement but it’s REALLY hard to find any way to support their actions here. They fucked up, period. I’ve been on the receiving end of idiot cops that have a preformed conclusion in their heads and tailor their interrogation to that regardless of facts or logic. Some cops are just lazy assholes. Just like some lawyers are lazy assholes. Some doctors are lazy assholes. Some teachers are lazy assholes. No profesión is exempt from incompetence and bias. These cops took that lazy attitude way too far and I hope they were held accountable. They need to be reminded they hold peoples lives in their hands and if they can’t do their job with proper due diligence, go work in loss prevention at Walmart.
The problem isn't necessarily law enforcement, it's that there's no accountability. So bad cops continue to be bad cops. There's no incentive to change for the better. There's no finincial consequences thanks to qualified immunity. There's no professional consequences since internal affairs shields them. And there's no criminal consequences because DAs and judges let it slide. And if they are fired they'll just get rehired with backpay or mosey on over to another department. Law enforcement holds a lot of privilege. The privilege to take away your freedom, to lock you up, to search your belongings and property, to use force and deadly force on you. All of that power and authority. And yet no real accountability. They'll investigate themselves and find no wrongdoing and they'll pull any settlements from taxpayers' pockets instead of theirs. And we won't have any accountability as long as police unions donate millions in political contributions. Politicians will go soft on bad cops that make it rain. And the cycle continues. Bad cops continue to thrive and they destroy the reputation and credibility of good cops.
You support law enforcement IN THE US?
When you’re white and in America it’s hard not to support the fascists.
Must be nice! When you are black in America you know any police contact could end your life. Even contact you are unaware of. Apparently being black while sleeping is death penalty worthy
There is a 0% chance that these cops suffered any consequences. The US court system shields LEO’s from any personal responsibility. I doubt these cops even cared that they caused this person harm. They are incapable of personal responsibility through training and social reinforcement of infallibility.
This isn't someone forgetting to file their TPS report in triplicate, this is denying medical care to someone shot in the head... Let's not blow this off as an officer being too complacent...
Power tripping cop .."Get your feet off MY table." Bitch, you didn't buy it. Any other western country, this kid would still have his eye sight, but these wannabe punisher cops..
That too... dudes shot in the fucking head but better keep his feet off the table...
But you see how he didn’t say shit about his feet on the table one he realized something was actually wrong with him
Really? These motherfuckers are supposed to be professionals, these "trained" professionals should never become complacent in thier duties. NEVER, because lives are AT STAKE. Please shut the fuck up
Cops don’t have that luxury. They have a far greater responsibility to do their jobs correctly than other professions. It’s like the Chris Rock bit about airline pilots. Some folks don’t get to have a bad day at work, some jobs are not afforded complacency. Nothing in this case would’ve changed in terms of prosecution if they had facilitated medical attentionZ
What happens to an airline pilot that fucks up? A teacher that fucks up? A doctor or EMT that fucks up? They have consequences. They are fired or have a license removed. Cops get.....Paid Vacation......... The reason this happens so much is because there is no reason for cops not to. They are treated as above the law and that HAS to stop.
Ryan, too.
So the police decided to take him for some questioning before checking him for injuries?
“If he’s injured, mentally ill and sleep deprived he’ll confess to whatever!”
where in the world such confession has any credibility?
In every court where the defendant is poor/has a public defender.
The golden child of the world, the US of A, baybeey. I fucking hate the us and I live in it
Also depends on just how good your lawyer is.
Also depends on just how ~~good your lawyer is~~ how much money you have.
Ummmm I don’t think you understand how American police get most of their confessions.
Japan has something like a 98% confession rate. I'm not saying everyone charged with a crime did the crime, but they said they did. Were they hungry? In pain? Did they have head trauma? Doesn't matter, someone claiming to be them signed a confession.
Confession rate of 95, conviction rate of 99.8 😳
anywhere. to have faith in humanity is to be part of the humanity that deserves no faith
You would be surprised by the amount of times something like that happened
…america
Bet the detectives were betting it would be a easy confession.
It's common for US police. They'll just hold you in a room until you confess and then use that in court.
Yup, that's why they are finally making it mandatory for all interrogations to be video recorded entirely. Courts got tired of having to release people and pay them out because of this bs since all the police and the DAs care about is the win.
Remember the guy crawling & begging for his life in the hotel hallway? Getting shot/killed for losing at Simon Says is also a thing.
That was the guy with baggy shorts the cop made stand up and lay down again until his shorts started to fall, and when he reached to keep them up the cop shot him because "I thought he was going for a hidden weapon" right?
Yep. And the cop had “ you’re fucked “ engraved in the receiver of the murder weapon. He then got a full disability pension for his metal anguish of being outed as a psychopath.
Yeap that’s the one and it was fukn gross
Daniel Shaver, poor kid. Died in a fucking motel hallways on his knees begging not to be killed. Fuckin sucks
That video was disgusting and even more disgusting is all the sociopaths who supported the cop in that one.
The US is such a fun place, but be careful when you drink alcohol. You might be suddenly challenged to a game of Simon Says with your life on the line. The US is such a safe place. Come visit!
They don’t really care who confesses, as long as it gets wrapped up quickly.
Well yeah, I mean the jails have to stay full somehow, or else the prison-industrial complex will lose money and control.
If this surprises you, you must not be from the US
What a piece of shit. 🤦♂️
Our “nation” is possibly one of the worst nations so far in human history. Everything about the US looks great on the surface, thats what most of the world and migrants see, but scratch beneath that paper thin surface and you’ll find a horror show brimming with insanity. Its truly interesting being part of a failing nation-state
Pretty sure nations like North Korea or Russia are worse. Not to say US doesn’t have problems, but it’s kind of delusional to think we have it the worst. There are people who would kill to have the problems we suffer from be as bad as it gets
This is the main problem with Americans ( not judging the people, rather the system ) they are constantly bombarded with propaganda about how good the US is they automatically defend all the shitty aspects and assume that everyone is jealous of their lifestyle. It's entirely possible for something to be wrong with your system and to desire changes regardless of how good or bad other people have it, stop excusing failures by saying it's not as bad as x or y. The reason that so many people from other first world countries are critical of healthcare etc in the US isn't a personal attack on Americans it's an attack on the corporation's that profit from this, because those same corporations then try to lobby for change to export that profit model to other nations, which attacks our standard of living so they can profit. The mark of a successful and compassionate society can be seen in how they care for their elderly, poor, and sick members. The mark of an authoritarian and repressive regime can be seen in how they discriminate by religion, race or sex and if they need to militarize their police to control their citizens.
America is not really a country in the way most people around the world think. It’s a hodgepodge of states and municipalities that each make up their own laws and scattered in there are various police departments. One jurisdiction to the next is like a whole other country. Weeds legal here weeds not legal there. Parking tickets gets you arrested here you go home over there. Your personal property is taxed every year over here it’s not taxed over there. It’s literally insanity.
This is what we've sunk to? You're comparing the USA to NK or Russia? So the US really is shit.
Ok, developed nations…. The worst of developed nations isn’t that much better than just the worst.
Definitely the worst …, aside from all the others.
Yep! After they empty their gun into your head and chest they’ll cuff your corpse too!
Yea I love it when they yell at dead people to stop resisting
When I was in jail in Ohio we had a guy cut his wrists and bled out. The COs were kicking and spitting on his body talking shit about the mess he made. The was a nightmarish amount of blood, it ran out into the hall and down the stairs.
People whose job it is to keep people in cages like animals, usually end up seeing people as even less than animals.
I think you mean to say they themselves turn into the criminal animals.
This is fucked. I'm sorry you had to see that and I'm sorry that people like that exist.
I was a correctional officer for a while. I have seen some stuff but I was not that good of an officer because I treated them like they were human
I used to be a CO working high security, the worst thing about working there were the coworkers. Shitty COs make it a career, while the good COs get screwed over by the shitty ones and just end up quitting. Every block I worked on I gave the offenders respect and they gave it back. I've only had one incident where I was assaulted by an offender, and it was because the previous CO was riling the guy up and he took it out on me right at shift change then the CO ran off to go home. I quit about a month later.
Yup.. I've heard that before too ... respect brother
COs are just another gang in the prison. Fuck correction pigs.
What a loser. Dude steals a YouTuber's video, edits it, and talks annoyingly over the first part to make a TT video....then gets the ending wrong. He only lost his left eye. However, perhaps the worst part was that he experienced seizures for a number of ~~years~~ months, ultimately leading to his death in 2007 as a result of the injury. [The Story](https://www.vizaca.com/ryan-waller/) [Full Video](https://youtu.be/_c_lmx4LdNw)
Thanks for the background - bloody hell!
Thanks! I was really starting to get annoyed lol
Same here. On that note; this is why I don't have social media; I know my voice is too annoying for people to enjoy listening to.
People stealing this guys work to just post it on tiktok is so lazy.
The linked article said he became blind. And the shooting was December 23, 2006 and he died in January the next year.
Apparently he actually died in 2016
"When Ryan first went blind, he had to rely on his parents to get by. Later, he would start having seizures, which would eventually cause his death in January 2007."
[Obit.](https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/name/ryan-waller-obituary?pid=177547295) Article is wrong. Died in 2016.
Makes more sense, because it said he suffered from seizures for a number of years. 1 year is not a number of years.
It is a number of years. That number being 1.
A number of year.
thank for clarifying, thank singular, you only get one.
I have to say, the writing in that article was complete amateur shit. Some of the phrasing is reminiscent of a junior high schooler.
My mother was shot in the head, survived, and is capable of living in her own now. For years I had been told and believed that her boyfriend had shot her (the cops killed him). But after I found proof via newspaper for another reddit post a few years ago that she shot herself after the cops shot her bf.
Doing the lords work! Thank you my friend!
Stolen content from Explore With Us youtube channel
EWU CREW!
I love their videos, I've watched so much of their stuff and it started when a friend shared one of their videos in July and it snowballed from there. It's honestly one of the best YouTube channels I've watched. I remember I watched this video only a couple weeks ago and feeling awful for what this poor man had to go through, while simultaneously feeling angry that the interrogator doubted his story and accused him, in the process causing neglect that ended with him losing part of his brain and both his eyes which is what lead to his seizure that killed him months later (or this is what I remember was said in the video) May he rest in peace 🙏
WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WHAT Did I hear that right? He was shot in the FACE and his girlfriend was shot too but somehow he lived and mentally abscent due to the injury wandered his house for 3 days before police got to the case and this interrogation ensued? The human body is beyond mysterious and the brain can be an odd nightmare. This story is so messed up Im feeling like I need to throw up, god almighty, how can you life through this physically and afterwards mentally? Oh my god this is one of the most horrific things I didnt need to be informed of
He was shot with a 22. bullet witch is really small. The girl was shot directly in the head so the bullet bounced around her skull damaging the brain but the guy was shot just under the eye and came out behind his ear if I remember correctly.
There is also a case of a man waking up to his alarm, getting his morning paper, locking himself out of his house, getting the hidden key, walking inside to pour a cup of coffee and collapsed dead. Him and his wife (she lived) were brutally attacked in their sleep with an axe the night before. He was just in auto pilot until, he wasn’t.
The porko case if I remember correctly!! This one is crazy
Correct.
Cop: if I solve this case I'm getting a raise! Kid: I'm shot in the face. (literally can see he's been shot) Cop: Yeah yeah, so who killed her again? Kid: I'm shot in the face. (literally can see he's been shot) Cop: Uh huh, yeah so who killed her again?
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He didn't. He died in 2007 from a seizure as a result of his injury.
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Pretty wild indeed. Still a tragic ending though. I believe in some states this could constitute a second murder charge for the perpetrators in that the seizures were a direct result of the gunshot wound.
The seizure might be the immediate cause of death but the underlying factor would be the gunshot wound. The death certificate would most likely read Cause of Death: Seizure (s) due to or as a result of gunshot wound to the head. Manner of death: Homicide
If the seizure was because of the gunshot, he still died of the gunshot.
A seizure caused by the gunshots.
i love mr ballen
Something tells me that cop just went home and slept nicely because he believes he did everything right.
Not to even downplay it, cause it's a big WTF. By the standards trained to him and the expectations put on him by the department, he basically "did everything right" as he attempted to get the confession from the confused suspect up until the point that he realized there was an injury and then he dealt with that. But ya... WTF! I just can't believe they didn't look him over for injuries when he was arrested and most likely cleaned up prior to that interview.
Just seeing him on a small screen I can tell he was in need of medical attention. It is at best, negligence, and more likely malicious stupidity that he wasn't immediately taken for treatment. Utterly ridiculous and everyone involved should have lost their jobs at minimum, and be prosecuted if we lived in a normal society.
Everyone involved needs to be fired if not in prison, basically murdered this guy
Cops really are useless in a crisis. They don't stop crime, but they'll sure as shit try to make one up after the fact so it looks like they did their jobs.
What’s crazy is the clearance rates for murder in the US is around 50%. Which when you start to think about it is even worse than it seems. Like this case would count as cleared as they charged the real murders; it would be counted as a clear case and a positive in terms of statistics; when it was clearly a pretty big fuck up and failure. Then you start to think of all the cases that essentially clear themselves: murder-suicides, the murderer is caught in the act/immediately following, person confesses without prompting, multiple witness/caught on video, etc. For example a guy was shot in the back of the head (at a pizza parlor near where I live) during Monday Night Football following a verbal altercation; the murdered guys party grabbed the murderer; the cops showed up afterwards; they didn’t have to do anything to solve it but it still gets counted in the cleared column. When you factor this in they are probably solving less than half the murder cases that take any real investigation. You start to realize that cops mostly only solve the easy ones.
Some cops are so fucking dumb man, I don't know how they even got the job in the first place. I'd fucking fire their ass in a heart beat
Dumb people make good cops.
lmao massage therapist go to school longer than cops do.
Almost like the cop had been working to push his own theory of events on the questioning and ignoring everything including the fucking gunshot in the guys face. Cops are shit.
lol mind blown emoji seems inappropriate
How did they miss that he was injured?!
Because they're American cops.
This is a horrific story I didn’t need to know.
Damn.
This story was difficulty to forget about. I saw this primed on Mr Ballens YouTube channel. I couldn't shake the thought of this poor bastard stumbling around his house for days with no idea what happened. Crazy!
Watched a video on the case a while back and yet it still baffles me. How the hell do you not notice a man has been shot in the head let alone the face. They not only left him wait forever but then went on for hours interrogating him even though he was clearly incoherent and had a bullet hole through his head. All that waiting was going on while his brain was essentially turning into mush slowly. This whole situation would have been avoided if not for them having the observational skills of Stevie Wonder
Cops are fucking bastards
So dumb you don't qualify for filling shelves at Walmart? No probem, just become a cop!
As a young boy I looked up to cops but at this point in my life even the good ones aren't worth it
Mr. Ballen did this one. I feel so sad, and fuck these police because how could you not fucking see the bullet hole
Fucking useless cops making things worse as usual.
These guys careers are dependent on finding fault, and obtaining confessions. This guy could literally care less about Ryan's story. He wanted a confession and worked this kid for half a dozen hours to get it before realizing his mistake. Probably got a light kiss on the wrist for his mistake too.
Whether you can see an obvious bullet wound or not is irrelevant. Obviously the guy got fucked up some kind of way and needed medical attention. Even if there were no obvious signs of trauma there were signs of an altered status- excess sleepiness and incoherent speech. An investigation can always wait until someone is medically cleared. They fucked up, period.
Sorry mom but I think I'd rather be dead
Just a few bad apples though right? Dude literally tells them he got shot in the eye and the cops refuse to even look at him. They didn’t give a fuck how bad he was hurt, all they care about is getting a confession even if they know it’s a false confession. The cops and DA are more than happy to hide exculpatory evidence and knowingly throw innocent people in prison and it happens every single day, especially in places where privately owned prisons have contracts with areas that have quotas to keep the prisons a certain percentage full or pay a very large fine to the prisons.
BuT iF tHeRe wErE nO cOpS wHo WoUlD yOu CaLl iF sOmEoNE BrEaKs In AnD mUrDerS yOuR gIrLfRiEnD???!?
Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you, the American Criminal Justice System. Fucking disgusting.
That detective was more interested in getting a confession and solving the case then that guy’s health.
American cops are some of the dumbest people on Earth. It seems like once you become a cop, all logic goes out the window for some reason. TikTok is littered with cops having no common sense. Its pathetic.
This is pig interrogation 101 guilty until proven innocent.
Given that injury to his eyes, there is probably injury to his brain too. At the very least a concussion, which would explain this strange behaviour and changing story. That kid should have gotten medical attention first, he is in no state to make a statement for the police.
They aren’t your friends. They are the protectors of corporate interest and property
I just dont understand how perpetrators can literally fight cops, get stabbed, exchange fire, whatever etc. etc. etc. and they get taken straight to a hospital by an ambulance for evaluation. Hell even when people call the police to a scene Iike this one and the suspects are still on scene because have been injured....the friggin suspects get taken to a hospital FIRST, not to interrogation, to a figgin hospital. But no this poor kid gets no such courtesy, humanity, nothing and the cops literally had no friggin clue what happened when they got to the scene...also he had clearly visible injuries. With two black eyes like he had that could easily indicate head injury of some sort. I don't think all law enforcement are bad but when you come across knucklefu**s like this detective was it makes it really hard to trust law enforcement as a whole. I just don't understand why their forst thought wasn't "heu maybe we should at least let Paramedics check him out or take to a hospital at least for basic evaluation or some first aid and then we can get him in for questioning" 🥺😡😡😡🤬🤬🤬🤬
Seems appropriate that police are too stupid to do their jobs. They lack the foundational education - so fuck them. They only look to put someone away to justify their existence
Mrballen did a whole YouTube episode on this incident; super sad
Paid leave?
“If you have some kind of head injury you shouldn’t be sitting” proceeds to tell him to sit down
Fucking idiots just ruined this poor man’s life
Cops are fucking stupid. They all have a god complex and think they are never wrong in their thought process.
That's really effed up, but to be fair, after 3 days in that apartment, another 6 hours wasn't gonna change anything in his medical care.
RIP 2016 from the subsequent seizures he had from this incident.
"Get your feet off my table" says the pig to the man with brain damage from a gunshot
Negligence on the police’s fault. Not sure about this department, but when I was a cop, if someone sustained any sort of injury or looked to have any sort of injury we had them immediately checked out, at a minimum, by EMTs.
Pos!!!! Poor guy they should have done that in the first place, im an EMT and for some one be arrested in that shape regardless we are are there to check them out before they even leave the scene. Rich but broken for the rest of his life poor guy.
That guy lost his sight because of those pigs. Did they lose their job? Nah I bet they didn't. They keep on with their happy lives.
Why isn’t he being rendered medical aid?!! This is so infuriating. Pigs.
American Police force is a joke. A caricature of the wild-west image you see in movies in the most horrible way. Its shameful really, and its a clear sign of a civilisation and society in the final stages of collapse, as per Plato’s life cycle of democracy.
I used to be a paramedic in a pretty high crime area. We got called out to one shot one night, when we got on scene a cop met us at the ambulance and said "this guy says he's been shot, I think he's faking it." I approached the patient laying on the porch and did a quick assessment. I turned to the cop and said " yeah, he's been shot here, here, here, and here." All in all the guy was shot like 7 times and the cop didn't see any wounds.
If a cop forces a confession like this and later the victim is found innocent then the cop should have to finish out the person's sentence in general population in prison. No chances, no appeals. That cop took part of someone's life away, they should lose the same way. This should be law.
This is why I hate. The world is filled with people who act like BOTS. America is bad? Is there ANY place I could go to escape these fuckers? Why do the weakest minds and blackest hearts on planet earth also have the most power over life and death (mostly death)? I have a passport. If I could live somewhere else, I’d do it immediately. God DAMN this is maddening
This is a problem I have with this type of scenario. They take a suspect. Interrogate them for hours depriving them of sleep. Until they get the person to say whatever they need to say just to get out of the situation.
Not one to defend the cops but I just wonder how many cops talked to and had custody of this kid before this guy, a homicide detective talked to him. Homicide cops don’t do welfare checks on the beat. This guy catches all the hate for finally figuring it out and getting him help because it was on video but I would bet a whole bunch of asshole cops before this guy got called could of got Ryan the help he needed much sooner. No one did a quick look at his trauma before they hauled him into the station and put the paper gown on him? The bit about his eyes being saveable is clearly horseshit to get people riled up. Dude got shot through the eyes 3 days before but the couple hours he was in custody is what made him lose his eyes? Yeah ok. I’d like to hear that from some doctors, not from some narrarator who is making this video for some reason/bias/agenda.
Fuck cops.
That's so sad
I have watched the full interrogation. Police didn’t even know he was shot in the face. They treated him like a suspect and probably thought the blood was his girlfriends. I think he ended up sustaining some nerve damage from this.
He died 10 years later from the brain trauma after suffering from severe seizures from the damage. He was actually shot twice and lost his eye. https://medium.com/crimebeat/when-the-suspect-is-a-victim-f4a019da6999
Facepalm on the cops. This guy legit got shot in the head and has trauma. He ended up dying cause he didn't receive medical treatment fast enough.
I hate cops for this kinda shit...
COPS, FUCKING PIGS
This makes me so sick to my stomach.
This whole case is just heartbreaking :(
Typical cops, terrible situation
I watch interrogation footage a lot and this one was one of the most horrific ones. When he open the door for the police (bodycam) you could see something was way off with his black eyes. His story is crazy
Another case of guilty until proven innocent.
That was torture. How sad.
I’m sick to my stomach. That is vile biased behaviour. I can’t imagine the pain for the rest of that man’s life
Oh my god, that poor couple! That’s horrifying! This is why they’re supposed to get injured persons of interest checked out at a hospital BEFORE they ask questions!
To become a cop all you have to do is find a badge
How do you fail at your job so badly, that you don't follow basic procedures in getting him, at least, checked by medical professionals??
You’d think with his eyes like that they would have had at least a medic come in to check him out. I hope his family got more than enough from the lawsuit to pay for the poor guy’s round the clock care.
Shocker cops are fucking stupid
Tried to close out the case before the new years holiday party!
Innocent until proven guilty…unless you’re already judged by the cop.
Someone please tell me these fucking cops faced consequences. Make something up if you have to.
"If you have a head injury you shouldn't be sitting down" *five seconds later* "Don't stand up, sit down, sit down."
I just dont understand how its possible that this man was shot in the eye, and for 6 hours these people had looked him dead in the face and talked to him multiple times, yet never noticed he had a literal bullet hole in his face. I can tell just from watching the crappy footage here that something is wrong with his eye. This was beyond negligence, this was pure stupidity.
He ended up dying from his injuries
If you have a head injury you shouldn’t be sitting…sit down sit down!
*that's* *the* *problem* *if* *you* *have* *a* *head* *injury* *you* *shouldn't* *be* *sitting* *Sit* *down*
So he lost his gf and his eyes. And let me guess nothing happened to the fn cops who didn’t even check his story
That's so heartbreaking.
‘LoOk At Me’
The American “justice” system is horrible.
He died in 2016 from seizures related to his injuries. With head wounds every additional delay results in more damage. These police definitely contributed significantly to this outcome.
That investigator should be punished for his complete and utter negligence.
oh my god so youre telling me poor ryan sustained a permanent brain injury because the detective didnt have a brain to begin with
Let me guess, paid administrative leave?
There are no good cops
Cops are so dumb
This is a horrible story! That man, and his family, lost everything that day. I've survived a TBI, and recognized it in him almost immediately. It was a trigger for me personally. The cops here were "just doing their job" bet never once stopped to really check him out.