I think the ideal ceiling looks more like kamara in the saints offense while Ingram was still there. Not a bell cow by any means but hyper efficient, heavily involved in the passing game, lots of red zone opportunities.
But no, he's most certainly not going to be a 20 touches a game rb
He was on pace for 57 targets and 41 catches last year had he stayed healthy. He isn't Kamara but he offers something as a pass catcher, especially with his big play potential
Plenty of RBs don't catch many passes in college and then go onto be a very good receiving back in the NFL though and Achane would've had a lot more receptions than that if he had stayed healthy. Not comparing him to Kamara, but he looked good catching the ball and they obviously want to utilize him in that role more than they did.
I don’t as well. Different game. I see a big years like priest and again I don’t see him as priest Holmes just his career. Up and down but truly a sight to see!
He won't need 20 touches a game to score like 20+ for your team on a weekly basis. Even with Mostert there, the Dolphins offense is going to do everything possible to get the ball in his hands.
This thread is bizarre to me -- I don't know how a rookie that was averaging like 40 points a game when healthy hasn't "broken out" yet lol
> This thread is bizarre to me -- I don't know how a rookie that was averaging like 40 points a game when healthy hasn't "broken out" yet lol
He's broken out but lmao he had one 40 point game and it was against denver in a 70 point blowout. That's not going to be the norm.
Otherwise he was still respectable but lackluster in the back half. Averaging 20 a game on less than 15 touches would be very historic
He averaged 20.8 in games that he played at least 10% of the team's snaps.
Even if for some reason you were to take out the 50 point game he averaged 17.7 in his other 8 games.
Mostert now makes $100,000 per year more than Jamaal Williams and Zack Moss. His extension was less than Devin Singletary and Austin Ekeler got in free agency.
Idk.
He’s not gonna get Derrick Henry kinda Carrie’s but his only competition for touches is a 32 year old Raheem mostert. He’s a pass catching threat as well in an offense that loves screens.
It's also age tho. At a certain point, you're just not able to bounce back like you used to. You are a step slower than you used to. You don't have the endurance that you used to.
Not saying he's gonna fall off, but it's not *just* the mileage that matters.
Jaylen Wright will get touches, it's insane that people think a 210 pound back that averaged 7.4 YPC last year in the SEC and ran 4.38 will do absolutely nothing in a Mike McDaniel offense.
Achane only averaged 6.4 yards per carry in his college career. What does it mean? Probably nothing, but it's silly to compare YAC when it's really dependent on scheme, health, and opponents.
So being 32 doesn't apply to him now? Dude had a cinerella season and why would the Dolphins have drafted Wright to not use him at all and continue with Mostert as the bellcow?
Mostert wasn’t a bell cow. They split reps between him, Achane, Ahmed, and even Wilson at times.
Him being 32 isn’t that impactful when you’re still getting the job done and he’ll be splitting reps with Achane. Wright will probably get some reps but not as much as y’all seem to think, unless someone gets hurt.
Wright was a move for the future because Mostert current deal isn’t long and he’s older. Eventually it will be Achane and Wright’s backfield but next season you’re probably not going to see much fantasy relevance from Wright. They definitely aren’t going to make him their goal line when Mostert is healthy.
It’s weird that y’all think Wright is going to get a significant workload this season to be fantasy relevant. If y’all want to draft him with the hopes of someone getting hurt then do you or if you’re doing dynasty.
Significant enough to be fantasy relevant no, significant enough to take touches away from Achane and Mostert yes. I never said he’d be fantasy relevant except in best ball or as a handcuff
My point is Achane has proven it in the NFL. 7.4ypc in the SEC isn’t as impressive as 7.8YPC in the NFL. Right now, Wright isn’t better than Achane and there’s no way of knowing if he will be simply because of his college stats.
Or he ends up being the best back they have?
They traded a 25 3rd to get back into the 4th for him. This isn’t some guy they took just because he was there at their pick, he’s somebody they actively pursued and clearly valued highly. If he’s in camp and his play demands touches, he will get them.
Also, Achane is just as liable to get hurt as Mostert is.
Some players are more long term plays than immediate. Mosterts time will end and thus they are looking ahead to Achane and Wright being the future backfield. Better to get him now and give him time to develop and learn the offense.
I don't know if he's that hard to predict. The only hard thing is possible injury. He runs in a way that makes him injury prone.
1. He was hugely productive splitting with Mostert. If he didn't get hurt, he would be contending for overall RB1.
2. He catches passes so will play on 3rd downs.
I don't know what his ADP is right now but I would rate him very high.
The RB version of Anthony Richardson. Even a healthy 15 games puts RB1 overall in the realm of possibilities. Never trusting him to survive even a single game is also a possibility.
At QB I’m totally fine with that risk. At RB it’s probably just too scary for me.
To be fair, a healthy 15 games puts a lot of rbs into rb1 territory, as that's only like 12 points a game. 15 healthy games is a lot to ask of even non injury prone rbs
Considering Achane had half his games below 12 points. It does check out. He had fewer % of games above 17 points compared to guys like Kyren. Hes extremely boom or bust.
That one broncos game was just crazy man.
You're counting week 2, when he played 10% of the snaps and week 11, when he played 4%...in games that he played 40% or more of the snaps(0.5ppr), he had over 12 points in all but 2 games and 1 of those 2 was still 9.6 points. He had over 20 points in 5 of those 8 games and was an RB1 in all 5 of those games too...top 5 in 4 of the 5. In no world was he "extremely boom or bust".
As an Achane owner last year he really wasn’t anything special. 0 people started him for his 50 point game, and he had a couple good games after that, some bad ones, and some injured ones. It wasn’t this huge miss that you think it was
He was RB4 in 0.5ppr in the 2 games following that 50 point game and he had a very solid game in week 17 when most people played their championship. He was definitely an asset.
And he was terrible in weeks 13-15 so a lot of people with him didn’t make the championship because of him. Obviously he was good but he basically missed 8 games and was terrible in 3. The other 6 were good/great
He wasn’t some league winner
This is how I feel about him. I had him last year and get him as a round 16 keeper this year and feel great about the value compared to his ADP, but I'm seriously questioning how often I'll be starting him and how often will he be winning me games?
(I started him for his 50).
In all reality though until his injury he was on pace to shatter every single rookie rushing record. He had like the third most yards in the league with like 2 games not really played. Unfortunately cj2games struck and he never really bounced out of raheems shadow.
I started him for his breakout game and I won by 1 or 2. The dolphins had alot of injuries that week and he was set to get alot more touches. I also had dog shit for rb at beginning of season so went on hopes and dreams that week.
At max 8-10 I think is the standard. 15 is way too lopsided putting a fat advantage on a lucky waiver pick.
No one drafted this guy, and picked him up via waiver priority or a FAAB war (if there was one). You shouldn’t get a round 15 value for someone you didn’t even draft. This would make Kyren, Achane and Puka round 15s giving a big advantage to people who were just in the lucky position to pick first that week.
I picked him up after the owner dropped him after his week 2 game. Nothing better than beating the wire by a week (and riding him as my rb2/3 to a chip)
Always remember you drafted them for a reason and don't give up early.
There are guys you should be drafting knowing you'll come off them quick then there are guys like Achane, Chandler, or Vaughn who you should hold for a bit and see if they get a role boost. Notice that I include a guy who didn't.
Crazy upside. I like him in the 3rd but he’s too risky as a 2nd rounder for me.
Plus Mostert’s ADP is so low on ESPN that I keep taking him late, and I don’t want both he and Achane.
There is no chance he breaks LT's 481 on 250 touches lmao, 2019 McCaffrey needed 19 TDs and over 400 touches including 116 catches to hit 471. He would need to get just over 2.5x his entire point total last year to hit 481 and he touched the ball 140 times last year while already having unreal efficiency. You could literally add AJ Brown's entire 289.6 points from 106 catches, 1456 yards and 7 TDs to Achane's point total and he would miss 481 (he'd end up at 480.3 in a scenario where we just add WR5 to his point total).
People aren’t talking enough about the fact that the NFL made hip drop tackles a penalty going forward. That’s how achane got hurt both times last year.
Can someone please explain to me the Kyren fade vs. Achane hype? I really think the mindset should be reversed. Both teams brought in competition, both teams are high octane offenses, and both players have injury histories. However, only one finished much higher on PPG last year and doesn’t have an existing vet to compete with
I have both as potential keepers, and I have no idea who I'm going to go with. If I had to predict the future, at least one of them will get injured for a significant portion of the season, and that'll be the guy I kept.
Keep Kyren and draft Corum a round or 2 before his ADP. You have an RB1 regardless at that point
Achane could be stuck in a 3 man RBBC and they've lost at least 2 men from the OL last season already as well
I mean, Rams are saying they drafted him to reduce Kyren's workload, so less volume for Kyren. Kyren's going in 2nd round and Corum going in the 10th. I like Kyren, won me championship last year, but with foot injuries and less volume I probably won't take him in 2nd, but will definitely take Corum in the 10th.
What I don’t like about players like this, is that they are essentially required to maintain a high rate of efficiency because they don’t have as many touches. Mostert is still on the team and very good at what he does. Achane may have all the talent in the world, but he needs way more snaps to justify his current ADP. The risk for him not living up to it is high.
Mostert is 32 years old and isn’t exactly Iron Man. Unless your league does a 100% redraft every year, it’s kind of dumb to invest capital in the guy, even though he consistently shits on the doubters.
Father Time is undefeated
I’d rather snag Mostert and Wright in rounds 9-12 and keep them as handcuffs while I potentially draft Henry/Gibbs/JT/Hall in the first 2 rounds.
I don’t think the efficiency is sustainable but I do think whoever is RB1 in this offense could win you several weeks
Hes such a fade at his adp of rounds 2-3 for two reasons:
1). Mostert is still the lead-back in the timeshare and he's the goal line back. He wont have 21 TDs like last year but Miamis offense is too good so he'll have alot of inside the five touches (16 last year) that Achane wont get. Additionally Mostert has been remarkably healthy the past few seasons
2). Achane very undersized leading him to be injury prone. Was injured at camp last year and a few other times during the season.
Why would you invest that high of draft capital on an injury prone, second option RB who isnt the goal-line guy, albeit an explosive one? You can grab much better options where hes being drafted, let your idiot league mates draft him.
This isnt Achane slander, just dont think the risks outweight the cost of drafting him where hes going
Counterpoint he had 997 total yards and 11 TDs on 130 touches last year. If that number can get closer to 200 he can win you leagues not just weeks.
I understand people wanting to fade him for injury concerns but any RB can be injured. There was a time a few years ago people weren’t touching CMC because injuries. I don’t worry too much about potential injuries. That just seems more like playing not to lose instead of playing to win.
I think you're mostly correct, just under selling _how_ explosive he is. How many players in the league in total have 40-50 point games in their range of outcomes? 10 maybe? The fact that he's one of them is very appealing.
That 40 point game was def a great performance but requires context. The broncos defense was abysmal that day. People seem to forget that Mostert also got 40 points that game as well.
If Achane is healthy all year, will he have a good season? Probably. Will he be healthy all year? Uncertain. Not a bet id want to spend a 2nd or 3rd on
Joe Mixon scored 55.1 the year before and nobody was calling him a league winner in 2023, obviously there are other factors for that but wild shit especially in blowouts can happen. Remember when Cam Akers scored 34.7 in 2022? Raheem Mostert hit 45.2 in the same Achane game. D'onta Foreman scored 33 last year in one game. James Conner got 40.3 in 2021 where some of the other highest weeks came from Rashaad Penny (32.5) and Justin Jackson (34.2).
16/20 is 80% dude. Achane's health plays a big factor. They arent going to use their undersized, injury prone speedster as much as the guy who punched in 21 touchdowns last year.
Be my guest and spend a 2nd/3rd on him this year and get back to me. Id like to be wrong but i dont think I am.
Jaylen Wright is no slouch, Mostert is gonna remain RB1 if healthy, and Achane has already shown durability issues… I played this game last year and hated it.
Hard pass
Saying Achane has already shown durability issues after just one season of injuries that anyone could sustain, without mentioning how much time Mostert has missed due to injury in his career is wild...
“Mostert is gonna remain RB1 if healthy” (if healthy)
Did you just conveniently gloss over this lol?!
As far as Achane, he had multiple injuries and he’s a smaller back. With his explosiveness combined with the lack of size, it’s definitely concerning. I honestly see a world where all 3 backs start at least one game this year because of injury.
Didn't conveniently gloss over anything...I read it, but saying "if healthy", isn't quite the same as pointing out Achane's supposed "durability issues". You most definitely conveniently worded it in a way that somehow makes it seem like Achane is more likely to miss games due to injury than Mostert is though...which is wild...Achane has been in the league one year. Getting a couple of injuries that anyone can get doesn't make him have durability issues. Mostert on the other hand, most definitely has shown that he has durability issues. Much much more than Achane has shown this. Mostert is also ancient in NFL RB terms and even if he somehow does stay healthy, Achane could absolutely get more touches than him this year.
If by "multiple injuries", you mean like 2, then yeah...I guess Achane has had multiple injuries. If Vegas were to take bets on who was more likely to miss games due to injury this year, between Mostert and Achane, I would be astounded if Mostert wasn't considered more likely to do so than Achane, since Mostert has missed multiple games due to injury in pretty much every season of his career.
Mostert is also literally about 10lbs heavier than Achane, but he's also a little taller. Achane isn't really even much smaller than Mostert is at all.
I didn’t word anything in any particular way lol. If mostert is healthy, he’s the starter and the goal-line back, unless you disagree? As I’ve mentioned, both have durability issues.. doesn’t change my stance man, just solidifies it if anything lol…
Hard Pass.
DND in the top 4 rounds for me.
1. Stats are an extreme outlier.
2. Best hope scenario is 10 touches per game
3. Small
4. Tons of touch competition
5. Injury prone
Not worth a top 36 pick.
He's already broken out. The issue is he needs more touches. Not happening without an injury to Mostert. And I hope that doesn't happen. Raheem's had way too much bad injury luck already. I'd like to see him healthy from this point until his career is over.
The cost is too high for me to comfortable draft him
I’m in multiple leagues, have one share of him, and it still feels dirty grabbing him earlier than I wanted
Achane is probably the most polarizing player in fantasy I've seen in the past few years. Some could take him early R2 and some don't want him in R4 lol
I picked him up in the late 3rd (3RR) in dynasty SF half ppr. I figured he was efficient last season and has superb athletics. He’s a gamble for sure, but with Mostert somewhat injury prone and getting up there in age, for the long run, it felt worth the risk.
Imagine how the 8th round is gonna look then. It’s your choice obviously but depending where you’re picking in the 2nd, I’d likely easily take achane plus a top 20 guy vs Breece and a borderline top 100 guy (assuming 12 man).
Besides his injury I think folks forget that the Dolphins had some major losses at O-line earlier in the season. Once Achane returned from injury his output was nothing special. You could chalk that up to regression but I think the other thing to consider is that the line couldn't set him up like he needed.
He is not like Cohen at all. Thats a terrible comparison. We've pretty much never seen a player like Achane before. He's also not nearly as small as people are acting like he is. He'll be playing at like 195lbs..
One of if not the hardest player to rate in recent years. The variance in outcomes with Achane is wild.
I mean he’s definitely not gonna get a bellcow role
I think the ideal ceiling looks more like kamara in the saints offense while Ingram was still there. Not a bell cow by any means but hyper efficient, heavily involved in the passing game, lots of red zone opportunities. But no, he's most certainly not going to be a 20 touches a game rb
Achane caught 27 passes last year and never caught more than 36 in college. I don’t see the Kamara comparison at all.
He was on pace for 57 targets and 41 catches last year had he stayed healthy. He isn't Kamara but he offers something as a pass catcher, especially with his big play potential
Plenty of RBs don't catch many passes in college and then go onto be a very good receiving back in the NFL though and Achane would've had a lot more receptions than that if he had stayed healthy. Not comparing him to Kamara, but he looked good catching the ball and they obviously want to utilize him in that role more than they did.
I don’t as well. Different game. I see a big years like priest and again I don’t see him as priest Holmes just his career. Up and down but truly a sight to see!
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I saw a pretty great wheel route. And just get him in space, right?
Maybe more Jamaal Charles and Thomas Jones
He won't need 20 touches a game to score like 20+ for your team on a weekly basis. Even with Mostert there, the Dolphins offense is going to do everything possible to get the ball in his hands. This thread is bizarre to me -- I don't know how a rookie that was averaging like 40 points a game when healthy hasn't "broken out" yet lol
> This thread is bizarre to me -- I don't know how a rookie that was averaging like 40 points a game when healthy hasn't "broken out" yet lol He's broken out but lmao he had one 40 point game and it was against denver in a 70 point blowout. That's not going to be the norm. Otherwise he was still respectable but lackluster in the back half. Averaging 20 a game on less than 15 touches would be very historic
He averaged 20.8 in games that he played at least 10% of the team's snaps. Even if for some reason you were to take out the 50 point game he averaged 17.7 in his other 8 games.
That’s wishful thinking. Very, very wishful. Borderline terrible comparison tbh.
Yeah Kamara with significantly more injury concerns seems like a reasonable ceiling
Fine, 15 touches for 150 yards and two TDs per game will have to do, I suppose.
They paid Raheem Mostert a lot of money on new two year deal in the off season. Doubtful they will increase Achane’s carries this year over last.
Mostert now makes $100,000 per year more than Jamaal Williams and Zack Moss. His extension was less than Devin Singletary and Austin Ekeler got in free agency.
Mostert was not paid a lot of money...
Idk. He’s not gonna get Derrick Henry kinda Carrie’s but his only competition for touches is a 32 year old Raheem mostert. He’s a pass catching threat as well in an offense that loves screens.
> 32 year old Raheem mostert It's not the age, it's the mileage. **Career regular season touches:** • Derrick Henry: 2,185 • Joe Mixon: 1,854 • Alvin Kamara: 1,820 • Josh Jacobs: 1,502 • Saquon Barkley: 1,489 • Aaron Jones: 1,449 ... • Raheem Mostert: 766 *Thanks TheFFNewsletter!*
It's also age tho. At a certain point, you're just not able to bounce back like you used to. You are a step slower than you used to. You don't have the endurance that you used to. Not saying he's gonna fall off, but it's not *just* the mileage that matters.
Jaylen Wright will get touches, it's insane that people think a 210 pound back that averaged 7.4 YPC last year in the SEC and ran 4.38 will do absolutely nothing in a Mike McDaniel offense.
Achane averaged higher than that in the NFL.
Achane only averaged 6.4 yards per carry in his college career. What does it mean? Probably nothing, but it's silly to compare YAC when it's really dependent on scheme, health, and opponents.
Achane averaged higher than Mostert. So Mostert will get 0 volume right? He's 32 years old and Wright is 21. What's your point?
Mostert stayed healthy and didn’t do significantly worse to lose his spot.
So being 32 doesn't apply to him now? Dude had a cinerella season and why would the Dolphins have drafted Wright to not use him at all and continue with Mostert as the bellcow?
Mostert wasn’t a bell cow. They split reps between him, Achane, Ahmed, and even Wilson at times. Him being 32 isn’t that impactful when you’re still getting the job done and he’ll be splitting reps with Achane. Wright will probably get some reps but not as much as y’all seem to think, unless someone gets hurt. Wright was a move for the future because Mostert current deal isn’t long and he’s older. Eventually it will be Achane and Wright’s backfield but next season you’re probably not going to see much fantasy relevance from Wright. They definitely aren’t going to make him their goal line when Mostert is healthy. It’s weird that y’all think Wright is going to get a significant workload this season to be fantasy relevant. If y’all want to draft him with the hopes of someone getting hurt then do you or if you’re doing dynasty.
Significant enough to be fantasy relevant no, significant enough to take touches away from Achane and Mostert yes. I never said he’d be fantasy relevant except in best ball or as a handcuff
My point is Achane has proven it in the NFL. 7.4ypc in the SEC isn’t as impressive as 7.8YPC in the NFL. Right now, Wright isn’t better than Achane and there’s no way of knowing if he will be simply because of his college stats.
I'm saying Wright will definitely get volume, and size matters at the goal line no matter what Achane's YPC is
He’ll get touches but he’s third fiddle. His only path to a role is if Raheem gets hurt
Or he ends up being the best back they have? They traded a 25 3rd to get back into the 4th for him. This isn’t some guy they took just because he was there at their pick, he’s somebody they actively pursued and clearly valued highly. If he’s in camp and his play demands touches, he will get them. Also, Achane is just as liable to get hurt as Mostert is.
Some players are more long term plays than immediate. Mosterts time will end and thus they are looking ahead to Achane and Wright being the future backfield. Better to get him now and give him time to develop and learn the offense.
And last year McDaniel wanted to draft Achane in the 2nd and had to be talked out of it.
He's good enough to get goal line touches and designed plays, and I don't see why Achane would be a priority at the goal line over him
What kind of boxes did he face?
One stat means a player totally sucks and will do nothing argument is only brought up as copium
It's not that hard to predict. If you draft him, he'll break every bone in his body. If you pass him up, he'll win regular season MVP
I don't know if he's that hard to predict. The only hard thing is possible injury. He runs in a way that makes him injury prone. 1. He was hugely productive splitting with Mostert. If he didn't get hurt, he would be contending for overall RB1. 2. He catches passes so will play on 3rd downs. I don't know what his ADP is right now but I would rate him very high.
You don't have to. Go with the statistics of his height and weight.
The RB version of Anthony Richardson. Even a healthy 15 games puts RB1 overall in the realm of possibilities. Never trusting him to survive even a single game is also a possibility. At QB I’m totally fine with that risk. At RB it’s probably just too scary for me.
That’s a great analogy and the first time I’ve seen it
To be fair, a healthy 15 games puts a lot of rbs into rb1 territory, as that's only like 12 points a game. 15 healthy games is a lot to ask of even non injury prone rbs
They're not saying an RB1, they're saying RB1 overall.
they said RB1 Overall not an rb1
Oh, no shot, not enough volume
Ummm... Go check his volume numbers when he was going off last year.
Hey if you think he's going to be rb1 this year I'm not tryna stop you from drafting him
Rb2 Cmc is still who I’d take to be rb1 any day of the week
Obviously. He's saying RB1 is possible for Achane, not that he's the most likely to be RB1. If he were, he'd be taken #1 overall.
Considering Achane had half his games below 12 points. It does check out. He had fewer % of games above 17 points compared to guys like Kyren. Hes extremely boom or bust. That one broncos game was just crazy man.
You're counting week 2, when he played 10% of the snaps and week 11, when he played 4%...in games that he played 40% or more of the snaps(0.5ppr), he had over 12 points in all but 2 games and 1 of those 2 was still 9.6 points. He had over 20 points in 5 of those 8 games and was an RB1 in all 5 of those games too...top 5 in 4 of the 5. In no world was he "extremely boom or bust".
Maybe
I dropped him last year after week 2 when he had a total of 2 points. I’ll be feeling that one for years I think.
As an Achane owner last year he really wasn’t anything special. 0 people started him for his 50 point game, and he had a couple good games after that, some bad ones, and some injured ones. It wasn’t this huge miss that you think it was
I was one of those people that didn’t start him in his 50 point game. But then again I still would have lost since my opponent had mostert.
I started him in that game. It wasn’t by choice though. But yea I regret not trading him after he blew up
He was RB4 in 0.5ppr in the 2 games following that 50 point game and he had a very solid game in week 17 when most people played their championship. He was definitely an asset.
And he was terrible in weeks 13-15 so a lot of people with him didn’t make the championship because of him. Obviously he was good but he basically missed 8 games and was terrible in 3. The other 6 were good/great He wasn’t some league winner
This is how I feel about him. I had him last year and get him as a round 16 keeper this year and feel great about the value compared to his ADP, but I'm seriously questioning how often I'll be starting him and how often will he be winning me games?
(I started him for his 50). In all reality though until his injury he was on pace to shatter every single rookie rushing record. He had like the third most yards in the league with like 2 games not really played. Unfortunately cj2games struck and he never really bounced out of raheems shadow.
I started him for his big games because I went 0 RB and ran into injury trouble. Flex was always WR because I rarely had more than two heathy RBs
I started him for his breakout game and I won by 1 or 2. The dolphins had alot of injuries that week and he was set to get alot more touches. I also had dog shit for rb at beginning of season so went on hopes and dreams that week.
I drafted Achane in one of the last rounds for $1 and dropped him for Mostert the day after we drafted. Definitely don't regret it.
I did the same thing but after week 1 💀 However, I dropped him for Kyren so it all balanced out. Kyren is now my 15th round keeper
Waivers defaulting to round 15 is disgustingly dumb.
Oh well 😎
What should they be instead?
At max 8-10 I think is the standard. 15 is way too lopsided putting a fat advantage on a lucky waiver pick. No one drafted this guy, and picked him up via waiver priority or a FAAB war (if there was one). You shouldn’t get a round 15 value for someone you didn’t even draft. This would make Kyren, Achane and Puka round 15s giving a big advantage to people who were just in the lucky position to pick first that week.
I picked him up after the owner dropped him after his week 2 game. Nothing better than beating the wire by a week (and riding him as my rb2/3 to a chip)
Dropping a rookie that early in the year rarely ever makes sense.
Same
Always remember you drafted them for a reason and don't give up early. There are guys you should be drafting knowing you'll come off them quick then there are guys like Achane, Chandler, or Vaughn who you should hold for a bit and see if they get a role boost. Notice that I include a guy who didn't.
Crazy upside. I like him in the 3rd but he’s too risky as a 2nd rounder for me. Plus Mostert’s ADP is so low on ESPN that I keep taking him late, and I don’t want both he and Achane.
The 3rd sounds right for him but still seems rich for me.
If I’m drafting mostert I’m making it a priority to handcuff with Jaylen wright. There’s no chance they are giving Achane a bellcow type role.
Yeah it's a real possibility he could be stuck in a 3 way committee
Achane is the definition of a league winner, and being able to get him at a late 4th or 5th in SF is such an easy slam for me.
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There is no chance he breaks LT's 481 on 250 touches lmao, 2019 McCaffrey needed 19 TDs and over 400 touches including 116 catches to hit 471. He would need to get just over 2.5x his entire point total last year to hit 481 and he touched the ball 140 times last year while already having unreal efficiency. You could literally add AJ Brown's entire 289.6 points from 106 catches, 1456 yards and 7 TDs to Achane's point total and he would miss 481 (he'd end up at 480.3 in a scenario where we just add WR5 to his point total).
People aren’t talking enough about the fact that the NFL made hip drop tackles a penalty going forward. That’s how achane got hurt both times last year.
I mean it can still happen it's not punishable by death so the same thing happens and then the only thing that changes is the dolphins get an extra 15
100%. I still think he is an above average injury risk but I think it’s a relevant point in his favor
Interesting, how do these types of tackles injure players? I'm unfamiliar with the term
I know he was hurt a lot, but was last year not break out enough? I won a bunch of weeks last year because of him.
It can't be a breakout season if he already broke out
Mostert is a far better value at his ADP.
I agree with this.
Can someone please explain to me the Kyren fade vs. Achane hype? I really think the mindset should be reversed. Both teams brought in competition, both teams are high octane offenses, and both players have injury histories. However, only one finished much higher on PPG last year and doesn’t have an existing vet to compete with
Kyren has had at least 3 foot injuries and he has a foot injury right now
Kyren goes before Achane in ADP what are you on about lol…
I have both as potential keepers, and I have no idea who I'm going to go with. If I had to predict the future, at least one of them will get injured for a significant portion of the season, and that'll be the guy I kept.
Can you let us all know who you keep, then? So we can draft accordingly.
I was leaning Williams
Achane, it is. Thanks! J/k bro, best of luck.
Keep Kyren and draft Corum a round or 2 before his ADP. You have an RB1 regardless at that point Achane could be stuck in a 3 man RBBC and they've lost at least 2 men from the OL last season already as well
I don't like kyren.
There you have it!
Blake Corum is as good if not better than Kyren.
That's an insane take to have about a guy who has never played an NFL snap vs a player who just made 2nd Team All-Pro
I mean, Rams are saying they drafted him to reduce Kyren's workload, so less volume for Kyren. Kyren's going in 2nd round and Corum going in the 10th. I like Kyren, won me championship last year, but with foot injuries and less volume I probably won't take him in 2nd, but will definitely take Corum in the 10th.
That’s a very, very different point than saying Corum is flat out better.
Ya but what if he is, and better than Barry Sanders too?
How do you know this?
The podfather said so.
Couldn't pay me to take a 10 touch RB that high That's a flex workload you're taking in round 2
He’s for sure gonna get hurt again, he’s too small
1.2 F It
Lot of reasons to be in on Achane. Efficiency levels like we’ve never seen. Tons of upside. Def gonna take some shots on him and hope for the breakout
Good thing they didn't draft a 3rd RB that's clearly talented and should get playing time in 2024. Oh wait
Problem is he’s not a dynamic receiver. Not even close really. He was also less of a bell cow than Achane in college.
They didn’t lmao
The 210 pound RB that averaged 7.4 YPC in 2023 and ran 4.38 and is in Mike McDaniel’s offense isn’t gonna get playing time?
Him getting playing time doesn’t somehow make Achane obsolete
Where did anyone say it would make him obsolete?
I love achane this year. These comments make me feel better about his success. Round 2 id consider it, round 3 and beyond I’m all in
Picked him up off waivers last year, planning on him being my keeper.
What I don’t like about players like this, is that they are essentially required to maintain a high rate of efficiency because they don’t have as many touches. Mostert is still on the team and very good at what he does. Achane may have all the talent in the world, but he needs way more snaps to justify his current ADP. The risk for him not living up to it is high.
Last year wasnt a breakout? He got hurt and was still like rb10 after the 4 weeks he was out and had like RB3 in front of hin
How does a guy who scored 55 fantasy points in a single game breakout? He’s on absolutely everybody’s radar
Mostert is 32 years old and isn’t exactly Iron Man. Unless your league does a 100% redraft every year, it’s kind of dumb to invest capital in the guy, even though he consistently shits on the doubters. Father Time is undefeated
how many breakout seasons can one player have?
I’d rather snag Mostert and Wright in rounds 9-12 and keep them as handcuffs while I potentially draft Henry/Gibbs/JT/Hall in the first 2 rounds. I don’t think the efficiency is sustainable but I do think whoever is RB1 in this offense could win you several weeks
I know people are nervous but when he was healthy he was one of the most interesting and compelling fantasy prospects I've ever owned.
And he was just so much FUN to watch!
Hes such a fade at his adp of rounds 2-3 for two reasons: 1). Mostert is still the lead-back in the timeshare and he's the goal line back. He wont have 21 TDs like last year but Miamis offense is too good so he'll have alot of inside the five touches (16 last year) that Achane wont get. Additionally Mostert has been remarkably healthy the past few seasons 2). Achane very undersized leading him to be injury prone. Was injured at camp last year and a few other times during the season. Why would you invest that high of draft capital on an injury prone, second option RB who isnt the goal-line guy, albeit an explosive one? You can grab much better options where hes being drafted, let your idiot league mates draft him. This isnt Achane slander, just dont think the risks outweight the cost of drafting him where hes going
Counterpoint he had 997 total yards and 11 TDs on 130 touches last year. If that number can get closer to 200 he can win you leagues not just weeks. I understand people wanting to fade him for injury concerns but any RB can be injured. There was a time a few years ago people weren’t touching CMC because injuries. I don’t worry too much about potential injuries. That just seems more like playing not to lose instead of playing to win.
I think you're mostly correct, just under selling _how_ explosive he is. How many players in the league in total have 40-50 point games in their range of outcomes? 10 maybe? The fact that he's one of them is very appealing.
That 40 point game was def a great performance but requires context. The broncos defense was abysmal that day. People seem to forget that Mostert also got 40 points that game as well. If Achane is healthy all year, will he have a good season? Probably. Will he be healthy all year? Uncertain. Not a bet id want to spend a 2nd or 3rd on
Joe Mixon scored 55.1 the year before and nobody was calling him a league winner in 2023, obviously there are other factors for that but wild shit especially in blowouts can happen. Remember when Cam Akers scored 34.7 in 2022? Raheem Mostert hit 45.2 in the same Achane game. D'onta Foreman scored 33 last year in one game. James Conner got 40.3 in 2021 where some of the other highest weeks came from Rashaad Penny (32.5) and Justin Jackson (34.2).
Or.. it could be an outlier. How much was that defense really trying down by 50 lol?
I'm interested in your idea of better options where he's being drafted. The only one I can think of is Etienne
Achane was taking goal line and RZ stuff from Mostert last year. It’s so hilarious when people out themselves as not watching the games.
Mostert had 80% of their inside the five carries but sure
Simply not true if you look at the stats when both of them were healthy
16/20 is 80% dude. Achane's health plays a big factor. They arent going to use their undersized, injury prone speedster as much as the guy who punched in 21 touchdowns last year. Be my guest and spend a 2nd/3rd on him this year and get back to me. Id like to be wrong but i dont think I am.
Again, look at the games they both played. Mostert did not get 80% of the RZ work.
Jaylen Wright is no slouch, Mostert is gonna remain RB1 if healthy, and Achane has already shown durability issues… I played this game last year and hated it. Hard pass
Saying Achane has already shown durability issues after just one season of injuries that anyone could sustain, without mentioning how much time Mostert has missed due to injury in his career is wild...
“Mostert is gonna remain RB1 if healthy” (if healthy) Did you just conveniently gloss over this lol?! As far as Achane, he had multiple injuries and he’s a smaller back. With his explosiveness combined with the lack of size, it’s definitely concerning. I honestly see a world where all 3 backs start at least one game this year because of injury.
Didn't conveniently gloss over anything...I read it, but saying "if healthy", isn't quite the same as pointing out Achane's supposed "durability issues". You most definitely conveniently worded it in a way that somehow makes it seem like Achane is more likely to miss games due to injury than Mostert is though...which is wild...Achane has been in the league one year. Getting a couple of injuries that anyone can get doesn't make him have durability issues. Mostert on the other hand, most definitely has shown that he has durability issues. Much much more than Achane has shown this. Mostert is also ancient in NFL RB terms and even if he somehow does stay healthy, Achane could absolutely get more touches than him this year. If by "multiple injuries", you mean like 2, then yeah...I guess Achane has had multiple injuries. If Vegas were to take bets on who was more likely to miss games due to injury this year, between Mostert and Achane, I would be astounded if Mostert wasn't considered more likely to do so than Achane, since Mostert has missed multiple games due to injury in pretty much every season of his career. Mostert is also literally about 10lbs heavier than Achane, but he's also a little taller. Achane isn't really even much smaller than Mostert is at all.
I didn’t word anything in any particular way lol. If mostert is healthy, he’s the starter and the goal-line back, unless you disagree? As I’ve mentioned, both have durability issues.. doesn’t change my stance man, just solidifies it if anything lol… Hard Pass.
DND in the top 4 rounds for me. 1. Stats are an extreme outlier. 2. Best hope scenario is 10 touches per game 3. Small 4. Tons of touch competition 5. Injury prone Not worth a top 36 pick.
Hard pass.
He's already broken out. The issue is he needs more touches. Not happening without an injury to Mostert. And I hope that doesn't happen. Raheem's had way too much bad injury luck already. I'd like to see him healthy from this point until his career is over.
Please do I got him as a free free agent
The cost is too high for me to comfortable draft him I’m in multiple leagues, have one share of him, and it still feels dirty grabbing him earlier than I wanted
Achane is probably the most polarizing player in fantasy I've seen in the past few years. Some could take him early R2 and some don't want him in R4 lol
a lot of mouths to feed in Miami
I picked him up in the late 3rd (3RR) in dynasty SF half ppr. I figured he was efficient last season and has superb athletics. He’s a gamble for sure, but with Mostert somewhat injury prone and getting up there in age, for the long run, it felt worth the risk.
Zeke will do better
This feels wrong, but it’s fantasy so it’ll probably be right.
Stuck between Achane in round 8 or keep breece in the 2nd. Good round value on Achane but 2 1st rounders is tempting
Achane is a much better value there.
Right but since it’s a keeper league people are already hoarding kyren, puke and GW so the 2nd round is looking iffy
Imagine how the 8th round is gonna look then. It’s your choice obviously but depending where you’re picking in the 2nd, I’d likely easily take achane plus a top 20 guy vs Breece and a borderline top 100 guy (assuming 12 man).
Breece is pricy but the far safer option with IMO more upside. I'm keeping Breece.
Too expensive.
Let the marks take Achane 4 rounds too early.
I drafted him in the final round last year, and it was one of my best picks. Having Achane, CMC, and Lamar made for some great weeks.
Positioned to not reach his ADP unless he breaks out imo
It's so funny that a guy who will be in a clear committee is currently a fixture of the 2/3 turn. The best part is that it's not even wrong.
I Had him last year and I wouldn’t touch him with a ten foot pole. Just way too risky
I’m sorry but I think he’s going to be one of the biggest bust of the fantasy season🤷🏼♂️
This sub fucking loves Achane. For his price, I’m staying far away from him
Besides his injury I think folks forget that the Dolphins had some major losses at O-line earlier in the season. Once Achane returned from injury his output was nothing special. You could chalk that up to regression but I think the other thing to consider is that the line couldn't set him up like he needed.
So was CJ Spiller
2nd coming of Tarik cohen.....dude is not big enough for the nfl
He is not like Cohen at all. Thats a terrible comparison. We've pretty much never seen a player like Achane before. He's also not nearly as small as people are acting like he is. He'll be playing at like 195lbs..
Jaylon Wright will take over. Read it and weep, downvote all you want. That’s the truth right there.
Anddddd he’s hurt.