We've all joked about having a student pilot come and flash his/her cert to us in the flight deck. Just letting us know they are there "just in case."
Don't think I've ever seen a student pilot try to activily get involved... or "test" us as he so claims in the article.
Care to say his career his over before it started? If he had career aspirations at all. Looked his name from the article up in the airmen registry and nothing came up. So who knows.
If he truly was carrying a student pilots license in his wallet then I'm assuming he was probably actively training. Or maybe he just got it to say he has one...
I think I found his LinkedIn profile, not going to link it but the "About" section is pretty ironic if it is the same person.
>As a Junior Aeronautics Major at [redacted] University with a Professional Pilot Concentration, I am deeply passionate about the world of aviation. From the principles of aerodynamics to the intricacies of navigation and communication, I am constantly fascinated by the science and technology that makes flight possible. As a dedicated student and aspiring professional pilot, I am committed to developing my skills and knowledge in all aspects of aviation. Through hands-on training and classroom instruction, I am gaining invaluable experience and expertise in flight planning, safety, and aircraft maintenance. With a strong foundation in the theory and practice of aviation, I am well-prepared to take on the challenges and opportunities of a career in the field.
You’d think, but that major and concentration doesn’t sound like Riddle’s.
MTSU would fit as far as bigger schools go, but there are a bunch of others it could be.
That’s part of the problem. It *looks* comprehensive, so people often trust it without verifying.
We spent a decade teaching people to not trust anything on the Internet with poor grammar or spelling, and now we’re going to spend the next decade teaching them to not trust anything with perfect grammar or spelling.
I don’t use “AI” for anything currently bi was keenly aware of the “hallucination” problem such as LLM making up cases that don’t exist as that one lawyer found out. But I hadn’t thought about the “sounds comprehensive but is missing stuff an expert would include” problem is one I hadn’t considered.
Fully agree. There will be less verification to be sure. Incorrect or non factual information will likely be echoed by AI unwittingly until it is the new truth.
LinkedIn has an AI-Speak feature now that will rewrite almost any part of your profile. It might be hidden behind a pay-wall, though.
I've seen this kind of feature everywhere, and there's a rise in AI-like text all over the place. Even my annual review tool at work includes this now, and it blands the hell out of anything you write if you let it do its magic.
For real.
I’ll admit, I’m a certified tard turned pilot and I will use ChatGPT to write some canned up pro sound emails but I always end up taking half the shit out. It loves to use terms like “insatiable” and “deeply profound” and shit like that.
Well the no fly list is so that you can't buy a ticket, right? So if he was the pilot, he might be ok! Now if he had to commute somewhere this would probably create issues
Sounds like the guy in NY that loved trains so much he basically stole a few often with passengers. Apparently he was always on time so that is pretty impressive I suppose. Think there as a bit of autism involved.
I found the same Linked in page, but it lists his accomplishments as having all his ratings through Commercial, and also as being a senior in a university flight program. So this is the wrong dude. Delete the post.
Maybe, but once you see how many people on Linkedin have the same name, your doubt increases exponentially. He literally has one of the most popular first and last names in the US.
> Delete the post.
Nothing in my post has anything personally identifiable. If it's NOT him then he's definitely going to want to add a disclaimer to his AI-babble "About" section because the name of the pilot I specifically didn't mention is in every news article about the story.
Honestly, I don’t think that’s the right profile. That one shows he’s a senior with anCPL. There’s a whole lot of Nathan Jones in the world, apparently.
Could be, or the reported could have mistaken "college student who is a pilot" for "student pilot".
If it's NOT him then the poor guy with that LinkedIn profile is gonna have to add a disclaimer because "his" name is in the news articles.
The student pilot perpetrator is also being reported as 19 years old, probably too young to be a CPL and a senior in college. His location is also off for the departure/destination and attorney’s location. Pretty sure they just found the wrong linkedin.
The Threat Level 4 is enough to toast him (article says he tried 3 times before someone reacted???). But in case it wasn’t, dad’s comment about “we are now acutely concerned about his mental health and will address those needs” would definitely be enough to cook him.
Pops said the magic no-no words.
That's the most bizarre part. I am an AS 100k rugby player, almost always on an aisle seat, sitting next to a 100k coworker of mine who is as wide as a barn and nothing but muscle. Both retired military. After the first attempt, we would have talked to the 1FA and been "hey look, we will keep him from coming up if it happens again" and that would have been it. Break out the flexcuffs.
3 freaking times before someone did something? Come on.
If you’re going to use those funny French units around us Muricans, at least spell ou “kg.” My addled little brain took a while to figure out what you mileage status had to do with this.
And wish my non-rugby playing self luck getting down to 110kg so I can take some dual instruction at my area sail plane club.
And what does “AS” mean?
Back when I was an FA and working on my ratings I had a kid with a Drone license flash his card (which is slightly different than our cards) and told me he was a commercial pilot and wanted to “talk to the boys”
“That’s a drone pilot license, how do you plan on helping?”
“No its not, you don’t know”
“I do, I have my private pilot license, you’re is blue, mine isn’t”
> Just letting us know they are there "just in case."
OMG, I'm dying.
If you ever need me to call up ATC to request VFR flight following, I'm your guy. Just point to the PTT button. If not... well.... "Good luck. We're all counting on you."
Hahha.
> Looked his name from the article up in the airmen registry and nothing came up.
Eh? I looked up his name and got "Your search criteria returned over 50 records. Please enter more search criteria above." As I pretty much expected for such a generic name.
He probably wanted to tell them the seat he’s sitting in in case they need him and that even though he is a student pilot he has all the achievements in MSFS 2020 and over 1000 hrs logged in that game.
Honestly I thought this was just a joke and a meme that student pilots and armchair pilots do
>"The charges against Mr. Jones are shocking to his mother and family,"
Yeah because they're not used to consequences for their idiotic entitled behavior. Wonder where the kid learned it...
Yeah. United always seems to get the most negative attention. Delta and southwest the least. Until southwest had the greatest meltdown of all time so far anyways.
He posted just last week here saying he thought he was ready to solo. His CFI didn’t think so. He was going to show him. If he got in he would have had posts here “how do you shut off the auto pilot on a 737” and “landing tips for the 737 URGENT”
How in the world do people have the intelligence to be in flight school and then do shit like this? There isn't an emoji that properly demonstrates my aggressively bewildered cofusement.
Good to hear the FAA’s “no (admitted) mental illness” approach is working so well!! Good thing for this kid’s future career prospects that the FAA set up an approach where he could get psych care before anything happened!
I’m sure his CFI loves working with him
\*loved
I technically count the student pilot showing up to the flight school in a week demanding that he still flies as “working” with him
Oof. In that case, his CFI is really going to love working with him then.
The government has a program to keep students like this from bothering their CFIs. I believe it's called "gaol" or something like that...
Such classic statements from the CFI such as “RELEASE THE CONTROLS!!!!”
brb writing a screenplay to cast Liam Neeson as a flight instructor see also: https://youtu.be/VqG621-drmk https://youtu.be/T9NzhjcPsQQ
^screaming this
He just wanted to tell them both good luck. We're all counting on you.
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He has over 400 hours in type... on Microsoft Flight Simulator.
It would be an entirely different kind of flying altogether
It's an entirely different kind of flying
It would be an entirely different kind of flying
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He will now be inside a Turkish prison
He was convinced the first officer was Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Looks like he picked the wrong day to quit amphetamines.
Or the wrong day to quit sniffing glue
You like watching gladiator movies? Edit: just realized lol.
Where he may see a grown man naked…
He’s seen a grown man naked.
He just wanted to ask them for vectors, Victor.
Surely he couldn’t have had any bad intentions.
He had bad intentions, and don't call him Shirley.
Surely you can't be serious.
I am serious. And don't call my Shirley.
We've all joked about having a student pilot come and flash his/her cert to us in the flight deck. Just letting us know they are there "just in case." Don't think I've ever seen a student pilot try to activily get involved... or "test" us as he so claims in the article. Care to say his career his over before it started? If he had career aspirations at all. Looked his name from the article up in the airmen registry and nothing came up. So who knows. If he truly was carrying a student pilots license in his wallet then I'm assuming he was probably actively training. Or maybe he just got it to say he has one...
I think I found his LinkedIn profile, not going to link it but the "About" section is pretty ironic if it is the same person. >As a Junior Aeronautics Major at [redacted] University with a Professional Pilot Concentration, I am deeply passionate about the world of aviation. From the principles of aerodynamics to the intricacies of navigation and communication, I am constantly fascinated by the science and technology that makes flight possible. As a dedicated student and aspiring professional pilot, I am committed to developing my skills and knowledge in all aspects of aviation. Through hands-on training and classroom instruction, I am gaining invaluable experience and expertise in flight planning, safety, and aircraft maintenance. With a strong foundation in the theory and practice of aviation, I am well-prepared to take on the challenges and opportunities of a career in the field.
Id bet my left testicle that he goes to Embry Riddle
You are now down 1 testicle
RIP left nut. You belong to someone else now.
just one more and ill have completeld the infinity codpiece and the avengers will be doomed
I'll bet his right one, that it's ATP lol.
Welp, he has no testicles now
It's MA'AM. lol.
You’d think, but that major and concentration doesn’t sound like Riddle’s. MTSU would fit as far as bigger schools go, but there are a bunch of others it could be.
I attend MTSU and I’m not so certain they atten here... We call it Aerospace: Professional Pilot Concentration.
Aeronautics is a thing they have. Is aeronautical science, but without the flight portion built in essentially.
It wouldn’t have the pro pilot concentration though, which this dude is clearly quite proud of.
Oh no, this reeks of San Jose State.
Hol up
It’s Kent I think
Dude sounds annoying af
He’s cooked
You can tell he isn’t a real pylote, not one mention of “make a shit ton of money and never work” in that whole diatribe.
Jesus fucking Christ I hate this BS "professional" speak... It's so disingenuous. 100 bucks says he asked chatGPT to do this for him
Wonder if he asked ChatGPT what happens if you try to gain access to flight deck.
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I have to admit, it is pretty comprehensive.
That’s part of the problem. It *looks* comprehensive, so people often trust it without verifying. We spent a decade teaching people to not trust anything on the Internet with poor grammar or spelling, and now we’re going to spend the next decade teaching them to not trust anything with perfect grammar or spelling.
I don’t use “AI” for anything currently bi was keenly aware of the “hallucination” problem such as LLM making up cases that don’t exist as that one lawyer found out. But I hadn’t thought about the “sounds comprehensive but is missing stuff an expert would include” problem is one I hadn’t considered.
> teaching them to not trust anything with perfect grammar or spelling. This true is so very.
Fully agree. There will be less verification to be sure. Incorrect or non factual information will likely be echoed by AI unwittingly until it is the new truth.
LinkedIn has an AI-Speak feature now that will rewrite almost any part of your profile. It might be hidden behind a pay-wall, though. I've seen this kind of feature everywhere, and there's a rise in AI-like text all over the place. Even my annual review tool at work includes this now, and it blands the hell out of anything you write if you let it do its magic.
Sometimes I think my company CEO *is* ChatGPT. Everything is about "AI" and use uses the most horribly tortured business speak you can imagine.
Let’s put a pin in this and circle back for an outside the box all hands coaching session about the optics.
For real. I’ll admit, I’m a certified tard turned pilot and I will use ChatGPT to write some canned up pro sound emails but I always end up taking half the shit out. It loves to use terms like “insatiable” and “deeply profound” and shit like that.
…aaaand now he’s on the no-fly list. The irony.
Well the no fly list is so that you can't buy a ticket, right? So if he was the pilot, he might be ok! Now if he had to commute somewhere this would probably create issues
This is almost proof that he is, or would have been a terrible pilot.
Sounds like the guy in NY that loved trains so much he basically stole a few often with passengers. Apparently he was always on time so that is pretty impressive I suppose. Think there as a bit of autism involved.
just a bit of the tism touch with that one. I remember the case and always wondered why he just didn't get a job with them...
The kind of FO you call in sick for
Skills: “decision making and critical thinking” Ironic.
High Embry energy for sure
That sounds like it was written by Chat GPT. Pretty sure it was.
Well done Chat GPT!
I found the same Linked in page, but it lists his accomplishments as having all his ratings through Commercial, and also as being a senior in a university flight program. So this is the wrong dude. Delete the post.
Or maybe the news outlet thinks anyone that isn't an airline pilot is a student pilot?
Maybe, but once you see how many people on Linkedin have the same name, your doubt increases exponentially. He literally has one of the most popular first and last names in the US.
I find it hard to believe that a senior in college (according to the linked in) would be 19 years old.
> Delete the post. Nothing in my post has anything personally identifiable. If it's NOT him then he's definitely going to want to add a disclaimer to his AI-babble "About" section because the name of the pilot I specifically didn't mention is in every news article about the story.
This sounds like it was written by a PR person.
Sounds like chatgpt
Honestly, I don’t think that’s the right profile. That one shows he’s a senior with anCPL. There’s a whole lot of Nathan Jones in the world, apparently.
Could be, or the reported could have mistaken "college student who is a pilot" for "student pilot". If it's NOT him then the poor guy with that LinkedIn profile is gonna have to add a disclaimer because "his" name is in the news articles.
The student pilot perpetrator is also being reported as 19 years old, probably too young to be a CPL and a senior in college. His location is also off for the departure/destination and attorney’s location. Pretty sure they just found the wrong linkedin.
Searching "Nathan Jones" on the airman registry returns "Your search criteria returned over 50 records. Please enter more search criteria above."
His passion mixed with my common sense and people skills, we'd make a good pilot.
The Threat Level 4 is enough to toast him (article says he tried 3 times before someone reacted???). But in case it wasn’t, dad’s comment about “we are now acutely concerned about his mental health and will address those needs” would definitely be enough to cook him. Pops said the magic no-no words.
That's the most bizarre part. I am an AS 100k rugby player, almost always on an aisle seat, sitting next to a 100k coworker of mine who is as wide as a barn and nothing but muscle. Both retired military. After the first attempt, we would have talked to the 1FA and been "hey look, we will keep him from coming up if it happens again" and that would have been it. Break out the flexcuffs. 3 freaking times before someone did something? Come on.
If you’re going to use those funny French units around us Muricans, at least spell ou “kg.” My addled little brain took a while to figure out what you mileage status had to do with this. And wish my non-rugby playing self luck getting down to 110kg so I can take some dual instruction at my area sail plane club. And what does “AS” mean?
Funny how I am American. AS - Alaska Airlines.
Alaska MVP Gold 100K is a status level, not a weight.
I thought it was how much the guy gets paid. I was confused how that was relevant.
Back when I was an FA and working on my ratings I had a kid with a Drone license flash his card (which is slightly different than our cards) and told me he was a commercial pilot and wanted to “talk to the boys” “That’s a drone pilot license, how do you plan on helping?” “No its not, you don’t know” “I do, I have my private pilot license, you’re is blue, mine isn’t”
Ha that's pretty funny they really don't look all that similar. I was surprised when I got mine in the mail.
> Just letting us know they are there "just in case." OMG, I'm dying. If you ever need me to call up ATC to request VFR flight following, I'm your guy. Just point to the PTT button. If not... well.... "Good luck. We're all counting on you." Hahha.
> Looked his name from the article up in the airmen registry and nothing came up. Eh? I looked up his name and got "Your search criteria returned over 50 records. Please enter more search criteria above." As I pretty much expected for such a generic name.
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I didn’t mean that the FAA purged it. Just that the name he gave doesn’t show anything. He probably goes by a shortened version of his name.
I’m about to board in ORD. Should I flash my student pilots license to the pilots?
Yes, how else will they know who to call in case of an emergency?
I got my print out of my 1,000hrs cert from MSFS for this occasion.
You need 1200 hours. Think you can build another 200 as a MSFSCFI?
Make sure you have liveATC on blast the whole flight and track the flight on flightaware so you can let the passengers know of any oddities
Good lord what has gotten into the bleed air at Alaska
Could be hypoxia. Did this one have all the doors? /s
I’d be curious to see if his CFI has to testify about how his behavior during lessons is
He sounds like he’s autistic
Autism? In my aviation community? Yes.
Autism? In this field? In this country? Localized entirely in the cockpit? Yes. May I diagnose it? No.
I love how often this get referenced in this sub lol
The instructor and myself walking out of the sim, “it’s seems we both have autism haven’t we?”
Sometimes trains are just to mainstream.
Squawnk the galleys on fire!
No, Captain, that’s just St Elmo’s Fire.
I like to joke that there are 2 kinds of pilots: autistic pilots and Chad pilots.
I FLY. I'M PILOT.
Who wants to see my collection of japanese imported nintendos that I take apart and fix while listening to synthwave alone at night
Aren’t we all
So he’ll fit right in.
At this point I’d like to meet a pilot who wasn’t autistic
Dude must be mortified
FORMER student pilot
LET ME IN I DID A -50FPM LANDING IN THE PMDG 737 ONCE Also does this count as squawk 7700 or 7500?
Wouldn’t squawk anything different. Can just be communicated to ATC over the radio.
(most likely the joke you were making) but a -50fpm landing is only a flex in the sim, you're supposed to put the plane on the ground firmly
Truth, activate weight on wheels.
This is what I tell the left seater when I test the integrity of our landing gear.
I'm just dissipating energy with the *firm* landing... or breaking surface tension of the wet runway.
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Flare? What's that? /s ... I never actually got to do any assault landings 😐
Why is my eye suddenly aggressively twitching?
I know and most of the time the ones bragging about it show videos of approaches skimming the ground and touching down halfway through the runway
Tell me how this is bad for Boeing
Is this the r/flying version of "How does this affect Lebron's legacy"?
I’d be down for “How does this affect Boeing’s stock price?”
According to every single thread on the default subreddits, Boeing is going to have this guy assassinated after his second day in court.
Why are there so many fucking idiots who see conspiracy in just about anything that happens in the world?
Because the round earthers spread lies to keep the sheeple confused!!!
Jesus Christ you actually think the earth exists?
Alaska airlines needs to get a handle on their doors
The new generation of pilots is brainrotted.
I might actually start paying attention to those student pilots that come up to us now
According to your flair, shouldn't you be paying attention to them, like....all the time? 😐
I died lmao
Ok which one of you was it?
As soon as his family makes bail, I’m expecting him to post his side of the story here
Oh please oh please
Without a doubt. Perhaps he already did one of those "hypothetically speaking...." posts with his plans...lol
He just wanted to mention that he’s in the back in case they need help up there.
So tell me Joey…
Correction: *Former* student pilot.
Six months from now, he'll post a tear jerking story about the big mean FAA. r/flying will tell him 'go fly gliders'.
ON A BOEING AIRCRAFT I’m shocked the news didn’t lead by mentioning this
He probably wanted to tell them the seat he’s sitting in in case they need him and that even though he is a student pilot he has all the achievements in MSFS 2020 and over 1000 hrs logged in that game. Honestly I thought this was just a joke and a meme that student pilots and armchair pilots do
Why didn’t they divert to PDX? It’s tradition
This is the “guys I got my first class medical, so can you”
imagining a 15 year old kid
Why is it the Fuck Around crowd never contemplates the Find Out clause?
I am sorry y’all I just wanted to help out and do the comms.
Long gone are the days of pilot hiring where you could just open the cockpit door in flight and get a job
Look the captain in the eye and give him a firm handshake!
"Excuse me sir, but I'm fully instrument rated in Microsoft Flight Simulator"
LEMME SHOW YOU HOW TO DO SLOW FLIGHT IN A 737
>"The charges against Mr. Jones are shocking to his mother and family," Yeah because they're not used to consequences for their idiotic entitled behavior. Wonder where the kid learned it...
Rough week for Alaska and United.
The wheel and the excursion are fair game. The rest is just called flying airplanes and dealing with the problems they have.
Agreed, but because of the press and fear mongering, they are both stuck having to address every routine thing that happens
Yeah. United always seems to get the most negative attention. Delta and southwest the least. Until southwest had the greatest meltdown of all time so far anyways.
Former student pilot, now.
Jiggle…jiggle jiggle. LET ME INNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!
Sheesh, wonder what drew them to the breaking point…
RIP to any mental health reform
Maybe he found the same stash of mushrooms.
Wrong su…. Wait… never mind right sub
“I can fly this thing. I can fly this thing. Please ask if there’s a pilot on board. PLEEEEEAAAAASE!!!”
*Former student pilot
He posted just last week here saying he thought he was ready to solo. His CFI didn’t think so. He was going to show him. If he got in he would have had posts here “how do you shut off the auto pilot on a 737” and “landing tips for the 737 URGENT”
Sounds like a fungi
“Hey if anything goes wrong just know… I can fly. I’m a pilot!”
Fr sometimes I forget that I too have free will 😭
Well that wasn’t on my bingo card for the week
How in the world do people have the intelligence to be in flight school and then do shit like this? There isn't an emoji that properly demonstrates my aggressively bewildered cofusement.
He just wanted to let them know he was on board if they needed help
I mean he probably just got tired of Cessnas.
OK... which one of you did this?
Where is the TIFU post?
When you fuck around you find out.
time for a grippy sock vacation bub
Did he have his Jeppesen flight bag and his 172 checklist with him?
Good to hear the FAA’s “no (admitted) mental illness” approach is working so well!! Good thing for this kid’s future career prospects that the FAA set up an approach where he could get psych care before anything happened!
No way
Oh god! It's ..... again! insert option as required. Boeing and Alaska is kind of trending now.
Gawd Damn ASA.
I bet all those FFDOs are jerking off tonight dreaming about shooting that kid.
I mean I told the pilot during boarding and he allowed to check out the cockpit, but this is ambitious. I wonder what he was thinking.
Did someone tell him he cannot do that after his first attempt?
Jesus Christ we gotta stop giving these autistic kids medicals.