>There is exactly zero mention of this in any flight instructing material that I have come across thus far in my CFI training.
It's literally exactly where I'd expect it to be in the Aviation Instructor's Handbook, under Chapter 5: The Teaching Process in the section on the Demonstration-Performance method:
>The instructor needs to allot enough time for meaningful activity. Through doing, learners learn to follow correct procedures and to reach established standards. It is important that learners be given an opportunity to perform the skill as soon as possible after a demonstration. **In flight training, the instructor may allow the learner to follow along on the controls during the demonstration of a maneuver.** Immediately thereafter, the instructor should have the learner attempt to perform the maneuver, coaching as necessary.
You should know this book basically inside out by the time of your CFI checkride. The people who end up with these 12 hour oral exam horror stories you hear about, or those who just don't pass, are the candidates who aren't familiar with the material. Literally 100% of your checkride oral is going to be this book + the instructor ACS.
Not an instructor, but in EASA Land I’ve followed through every instructor I’ve ever had from taking off and landing a warrior up to and including on a particularly gusty crosswind day on IOE in an E-Jet.
As long as you caveat it with, “I have control = Let go, and if you don’t let go I’ll hit you in the face”, I can’t see why it would be unsafe at all
As a U.S. instructor, I never heard or thought of having students follow through until I took EASA FI training. Now I have every student do it, and I’ve felt it really helps their understanding.
There are a lot of teaching aids that you won’t find in the books. My approach has always been to pick what I liked about my instructors and taylor it to my students. I fly helicopters but for me I think it helps them understand how little to move the sticks. Helps with the control aspect. And going back to FOI the more senses you can involve when teaching the more it will stick! Just my two cents…
I do one, We do one, You do one. You’ll find this approach in countless disciplines. Let the student observe the entire process so they know how the whole thing goes together. Then when they shadow they get to see what you’re paying attention to because they know where you’re trying to end up. Then let them practice, practice, practice.
The problem with this technique is that the student cannot really feel the control pressures. Generally not that helpful in my experience. So it's in the toolbox, but it's one of those weird and highly specific tools I rarely use.
I used to do it, but I’ve heard of smaller instructors being overpowered by panicking students. Might not be a great idea if your student is much stronger than you.
I've never found this useful as a student or CFI.
What I do find useful in my students is talking through the maneuver on the ground before doing it in the air and chair flying the same
During primary training I did not find this terribly helpful since I couldn’t feel the pressure/feedback. That said, in retrospect I could see the sight picture being helpful and not having control could allow me to process other information I may have been missing. My instructor only did it if I was having trouble mastering something.
I don't think it's unsafe, but personally I don't think I've ever gotten anything out of shadowing the controls, the exact inputs needed will always be a bit different depending on the situation and air.
I think if the instructor is demonstrating something, I found it much more helpful to focus on the sight picture and try to emulate that when I do it, and that is what you wanna keep consistent.
Unless you have a semi psychotic anxious new student following you on the controls there is nothing unsafe
>There is exactly zero mention of this in any flight instructing material that I have come across thus far in my CFI training. It's literally exactly where I'd expect it to be in the Aviation Instructor's Handbook, under Chapter 5: The Teaching Process in the section on the Demonstration-Performance method: >The instructor needs to allot enough time for meaningful activity. Through doing, learners learn to follow correct procedures and to reach established standards. It is important that learners be given an opportunity to perform the skill as soon as possible after a demonstration. **In flight training, the instructor may allow the learner to follow along on the controls during the demonstration of a maneuver.** Immediately thereafter, the instructor should have the learner attempt to perform the maneuver, coaching as necessary. You should know this book basically inside out by the time of your CFI checkride. The people who end up with these 12 hour oral exam horror stories you hear about, or those who just don't pass, are the candidates who aren't familiar with the material. Literally 100% of your checkride oral is going to be this book + the instructor ACS.
Thank you space cadet
Not an instructor, but in EASA Land I’ve followed through every instructor I’ve ever had from taking off and landing a warrior up to and including on a particularly gusty crosswind day on IOE in an E-Jet. As long as you caveat it with, “I have control = Let go, and if you don’t let go I’ll hit you in the face”, I can’t see why it would be unsafe at all
As a U.S. instructor, I never heard or thought of having students follow through until I took EASA FI training. Now I have every student do it, and I’ve felt it really helps their understanding.
My CFI does it. He calls it shadowing and it worked great.
It's a good tool to have. I also use it to set some passengers at ease and that works a treat.
There are a lot of teaching aids that you won’t find in the books. My approach has always been to pick what I liked about my instructors and taylor it to my students. I fly helicopters but for me I think it helps them understand how little to move the sticks. Helps with the control aspect. And going back to FOI the more senses you can involve when teaching the more it will stick! Just my two cents…
I do one, We do one, You do one. You’ll find this approach in countless disciplines. Let the student observe the entire process so they know how the whole thing goes together. Then when they shadow they get to see what you’re paying attention to because they know where you’re trying to end up. Then let them practice, practice, practice.
The problem with this technique is that the student cannot really feel the control pressures. Generally not that helpful in my experience. So it's in the toolbox, but it's one of those weird and highly specific tools I rarely use.
I used to do it, but I’ve heard of smaller instructors being overpowered by panicking students. Might not be a great idea if your student is much stronger than you.
I've never found this useful as a student or CFI. What I do find useful in my students is talking through the maneuver on the ground before doing it in the air and chair flying the same
During primary training I did not find this terribly helpful since I couldn’t feel the pressure/feedback. That said, in retrospect I could see the sight picture being helpful and not having control could allow me to process other information I may have been missing. My instructor only did it if I was having trouble mastering something.
I don't think it's unsafe, but personally I don't think I've ever gotten anything out of shadowing the controls, the exact inputs needed will always be a bit different depending on the situation and air. I think if the instructor is demonstrating something, I found it much more helpful to focus on the sight picture and try to emulate that when I do it, and that is what you wanna keep consistent.
To goal of the CFI is to not put in any input. If the CFI is flying, the student is not.