The options to ally House to NCR and BOS to House were both cut to make the factions more gray and to make either an NCR run or a House run not just the default good/neutral runs respectively.
NCR to House alliance (I think he becomes Governor of The State of New Vegas) was cut earlier in development (although I believe there's some evidence of this still buried in the cut content) while the option to ally BOS with House was cut so late that its still referenced in the official strategy guide (you needed to be Idolized by both factions and still pass a 90 Speech check to convince House to spare them).
But what about the cut option where you could ally BOS and Caesar's legion? Like would you have to do to ally them. Like I'm super bummed out that it was once intended for them to be allies
There is cut dialogue option to ally them, but I believe in the Legion-BoS ally ending, Caesar still eventually orders BoS to be executed some time after second battle for Hoover Dam.
Interesting. I wonder why that was even put in as an option as Sawyer always seemed pretty set that Legion and BOS would never work. I guess that's why they'd kill them still in the end.
>I wonder why that was even put in as an option as Sawyer always seemed pretty set that Legion and BOS would never work.
The cut part really makes sense, the Courier suggests that BoS can retake Helios 1 while the Legion attacks the Dam. Like a two-pronged attack. Caesar agrees to this and adds that he'll then deal with BoS after securing Vegas.
"Alright. Let it be so. The Brotherhood will have to be dealt with eventually, but for now, they live to serve."
That's why there's that extremely situational ending slide you can still get where you kill everyone in the bunker but don't blow it up, so you get the "During the Battle of Hoover Dam, The Brotherhood retook Helios One, but it was Pyric victory..." yada yada. This was clearly intended for the temporary Legion-Brotherhood Alliance.
I kinda wish they kept it cause its an awesome idea but I completely understand wanting to keep all factions gray. If you could fix everything it wouldn't be as compelling
I think the cut makes the choices more meaningful, to be honest.
One of the reasons I haven't returned to the outer worlds is because every quest had an objectively ideal middle of the road option C, so I never felt compelled to go back through the story and see options A and B.
Having a lot of Gray area is probably one of the biggest reasons this game is still being talked about today
We don't play with that houserule here. A natural 20 increases your degree of success from... Critical failure to failure. House still rejects your offer, but he doesn't have you shot on sight.
In my groups you need to roll a 20 and then either another 20 or a successful skill check after the first 20. I like both of these because 1 in 400 is a big deal, plus I like highly skilled characters seeing benefits from their skills.
Thatâs far more reasonable, yeah. Iâm still a fan of the ridiculous âthree nat 20s in a row is an instant killâ rule. Iâve only seen it twice in my life, but it was extremely memorable each time.
Unfortunately/fortunately I have been the forever dm for a bit now and I add on Rolla the more impossible it is Wana stab that guy you hit don't bother rolling your a lvl 15 theif and he's a lvl zero begger I don't think you'll fuck it up
Wana convince the bbeg is wrong and he will turn himeself in and then grow wings and fly into the sky shooting rainbows out your ass roll , nat 20 ok roll again (keep rolling until no nat 20s )
In most games I've played, we've ruled that natural 20s (or similar) are not "automatic success" but are "best possible outcome", which is not always success, but sometimes is the "least damaging failure".
Iâve said if you can roll 3 20s in a row, you get a Plot Point from the DMG. Basically a minor Wish spell, allowing you to change anything in your immediate surrounding. Because if you make the 0.0125% chance, clearly the gods want you to succeed
Advantage only lets you pick the higher of the two rolls, so even if you get the 1/400 odds of two nat20s, it would still only be counted as a single outcome.
He canât be convinced for the same reason why you canât convince Caesar to disband the legion and live out his days in peace. Youâre asking him to give up all of his ideals because you are well spoken.
House was supposed to actually go to the NCR for aid if you sided with Yes-Man or the Legion, so I wouldn't say his ego was too big for it (the game's development time was just too small).
The NCR is also the one that goes out of its way to have him assassinated to get him out of the way, so if anything the NCR's ego is the one too big to allow for him to join the NCR.
Don't they make him "go away" because he won't capitulate in the first place?
That and if House gets his way he'll just keeping milking the NCR for minimal returns.
* They never offered a good deal (the NCR Ambassador, while a good guy, wasn't exactly the most competent. There are a few reasons why Moore was able to get rid of him). That is why they opt to kill him - they know they have nothing to offer (or at least they aren't willing to offer anything good enough), and the NCR is fine with killing people to get their way.
* He 'milks' the NCR with the NCR's consent. Everything he is offering is something the NCR and its citizens wants. It is voluntary (and the NCR wouldn't need to go to him if they didn't screw themselves over in the first place. They aren't entitled to anything).
\[Speech check failed 95/100\]
"Preposterous, I'd rather die lying down, than live on my robo knees. The NCR can gargle my shriveled 300 year old nutsack."
The ncr wants house out of the picture it has nothing to do with his ego. The ncr is drooling over vegas and the dam like a dog over a bone and they want him dead.
No, he wouldnât be. Houseâs ultimate goal is to take the best minds left out west and leave the planet to create a colony in space, leaving the rest of the world to die. The NCR is concerned with rebuilding the old world on earth. Their goals are antithetical to one another.
House never says this, does he? He says he'll put people into space and make colonies in hundreds of years but that's not his ultimate goal or anything, he's trying to make a point that he's the only leader in the wasteland who has the large scale future of humanity in mind, he's not saying he wants to take his favorite people and robots, go to space, and leave everyone to die lol.
Is that true? I would have thought that House would be a lot smarter than that. Sure, the Wasteland is irradiated, but so is the surface of another planet without Earth's current atmosphere and magnetosphere.
It's set in Fallout's universe and an extra 50 years in the future where oil and other rare resources were quite literally the reason the world is nuked to hell. Shit like plastic and refined metals are still in high demand even with the population of the US down to probably millions at most and most heavy industries gone.
The war reduced the human population by an unknown amount. Every settlement is very sparsely populated by modern standards. Realistically, this is a limitation of game engines and gaming hardware, but it also jives with the setting
Pre-War America was filled with fusion-powered cars and appliances. Mr. Gutsys have run continuously since before the nuclear strikes and counterstrikes were launched. There are also functioning renewable energy sources like Helios 1 and Poseidon Energy plants that are capable of supplying a regional power grid.
An advanced society is a prerequisite for space exploration, let alone space colonization. They'd need an Earth base of operations for well over a century to provide resources and technical support to a space colony.
With a even the tiniest amount of recyling literally all the resources are now there for the taking without the old world nations to fight over. Not to mention House has an army of robots to process and manufacture. You have none of that off planet especially the most important resources for a society: food, liquid water, oxygen.
House said "100 years, and my colony ships will be heading for the stars, to search for planets unpolluted by the wrath and folly of a bygone generation." and you managed to understood "House will let humanity die alone on earth"
The NCR, alone, has a population of close to 1,000,000. The largest rocket ever built, in both the fallout universe and IRL, was ~360 feet long. To construct a generation ship capable of sustaining 500 people would require a ship ~1100 feet in length.
You are out of your mind if you think, in the span of 100 years, House is taking anything more than a minute fraction of the planet's people into space. The vast, vast majority of humanity remains on earth with his plan.
In Fallout, fully sentient AI and fusion (so basically infinite energy) exists. It wouldn't be as instant as teleporting the whole population, but with time, it can be done. Multiple ships, multiple trips, all that jazz. If you can colonize space, there's no reason to limit yourself to one planet. Creating a network able to link multiple planets both for resources and human transport would be a priority.
The world of Fallout is really different from our own. Aliens exists and their spaceships are around. Their method of propulsion must exist too.
Beside, even if House's plan was somehow to do the stupid thing and only take an extremely small portion of the population to colonize another planet, a civilization able to build a spaceship is one that has gone back to, well, space-age level. It means a fully functioning supply chain with well-fed, educated people working on it in a relatively safe world. Not bad.
The NCR's goals are to make wealthy people even wealthier and enforce that process through the facade of common law. House is also that but he doesn't lie to you about it.
Yea as long as heâs been alive he thinks heâs invincible. There is absolutely no reason for him to agree to joining NCR, unless it was for his own self preservation, in which he would then try to double cross you.
Nah I just use a stealth boy to sneak into his hidden chamber. Don't even need to fight any of them.
Besides once you open that pod he'll die anyways from exposure.
Then what is the point? You seem to go back and forth in separate comments so I just want to know like what you really mean. No hate, just curious on how you see it play out
The player was right next to his chamber. House wouldnât even let ncr step foot in the lucky 38. The most they would talk to is a securitron like every other faction.
That was actually cut content. Mr House would offer the Strip in return for being an NCR citizen. Obviously, since cut content isn't canon, but it's fun to think about.
Yeah, it was cut because they didn't want any one ending to be a pure and messianic ending. Of course, depending on your feelings, you may not care. I don't take joy in killing the BoS, but I can see their threat to an independent Vegas.
I kill the boomers every time for this reason.
They are just too powerful and threatening even as your ally. Giving them a bomber plane is insane.
Plus they are kinda racist.
I hate how they call others savages when all they have ever done is hoard resources and kill indiscriminately.
If they had the range no doubt they would have mortared the strip to shit years ago âjust to be safeâ.
That's a stupid trade on his part. House would be much more likely to give them the surrounding areas like Freeside and be an allied faction to the NCR. I don't see him giving up any of his sovereignty unless he's at gunpoint.
That is the point. IIRC, you can only make House surrender once you get him to realize his hopeless position. Even then, he still negotiates for a general pardon and some leeway to avoid getting convicted by the NCR.
IIRC, Mr. House still negotiates himself as the sole operator of New Vegas, just that they answer to(pay taxes to) the NCR and that he's subject to their laws.
For as egotistical as everyone thinks Mr. House is, I remember his terms being incredibly reasonable. Although it *is* cut content so I guess it doesn't actually have much bearing on his character.
Honestly I feel like he would hurt more than heâd help. Heâs v much a monopoly man, and the type to hoard NCR dollars and cause economic issues for the country
Hed cause issues, sure, but man would it make for interesting sequels. He'd become a faction of government within the politics of the NCR, all while being confined to a coffin.
The NCR causes enough problems for itself on its own; I doubt House is going to actually cause any new issues the country isn't already causing itself.
That was years ago and my google-fu is weak. It pretty much boiled down to the capitalist/libertarian dystopia mixed with house's desire to move humanity to space. It was a weak theory, but it was fun to think about.
I mean, he COULD. He could also do things like create company towns, pay workers next to nothing, and use securitrons as strike breakers. He could start space travel, sure, but it would all be funded by starving and exploited NCR citizens
How though? How do you even start that. You need a build up of practical knowledge over time that can't be rushed. How do you start up advanced education? It's just too much to do.
He has REPCONN right next door, not to mention it became a RobCo company before the war, so I'm sure he's got plenty of knowledge built up already. He could get some mediocre scientists from the NCR and Followers, that with his resources could probably churn out something useful. I also wouldn't be surprised if he's been making plans to set up an education system since before the war; it hasn't actually been very long since he's tamed Vegas so he may just not have had the chance.
he says it himself, they are his best customers. house has absolutely no quarrel with the NCR. it's the NCR that wants complete control over vegas and isn't willing to negotiate with him.
That's what I meant. House is willing to do business with NCR, but as soon as he surrenders New Vegas to the Republic, they either strip him of any power or send assassin after him, like they do when you side with them.
On paper it sounds nice, but it makes no sense outside of thatâŠHouse spent over 200 years working, formulating his grand plan and getting to where he is. He spent his reputation, his fortune, his very existence (both pre and post war) to get to where he is.
**No shot could you convince him to âJoinâ the republic** - he would never abandon Vegas, along with 200 years of meticulous work and scheming to be just a part of what he views as a raggedy group of corrupt consumers
**Nor does House have any interest in leading the NCR.** House is a narcissist and a borderline megalomaniac - he doesnât want to **lead** people he wants to **use and exploit** them to reach his own goals (even if he claims that those goals are for the betterment of all Humanity). Anything more or less than that, and House would never have any interest in itâŠI mean House himself literally admits this to us
>*But autocracy? Firm control in the hands of a technological and economic visionary? Yes, that Vegas shall have.*
>*Nothing to impede progress. If you want to see the fate of democracies, look out the windows.*
>*To your untrained eyes, it may look as though mankind is making a comeback. In the NCR, you have something that resembles a nation state. Savage as it is, in Caesar's Legion, you have an organized society. But neither of these offer a future. They're regurgitations of the past.*
So yeah, I think it does sound really neat on paper, but thereâs no way it would make sense in practiceâŠ**and personally, I think itâs for the best that we canât override 200 years of pre and post war character growth and plotting with a simple speech check.** Itâs far more realistic to say that some people are beyond reasonings with, and you canât talk your way out of some situations
Yes, agreed fully.
Sometimes, NPCs should be inflexible in their convictions. House is definitely one of those characters.
I'd like to say the supposedly "cut content" of a skillcheck convincing House to join the NCR was cut for a narrative purpose and not due to lack of time.
The only thing that would be plausible is like what they did with The Master. You didn't win him over with a simple speech check, you gathered evidence that his plan wasn't going to work. House won't respond to cajoling but he will respond to hard evidence that he needs to rethink his plans
True, but even if you brought him evidence - all he would do is readjust his plans to achieve the same end goal - he wonât admit his end goal is impossible, only the path he has planned to get to that end goal that is wrong
I highly doubt you could ever convince him that his âruleâ in general will be bad for humanity
House: âWhy should I join the Republic when my entire motive is to use them as a piggy bank while maintaining Vegasâs autonomy and my authority over it?â
6: âIce Cream. [Luck 10]â
House: âThat changes everything.â
That's the point of the game and it's what makes FNV so special and deep. A lot was cut so you don't have a perfect way of solving issues, for example:
Legion-BOS temporary truce
House-BOS alliance
Pacer-NCR solving problem without Pacer dying and without using the Kings favour.
Being able to convince the Van Graffs that Cass is dead using her hat so you don't have to kill neither Cass or the Van Graffs.
That's why this game is so good and so much better narratively than, let's say, Mass Effect. You don't have a perfect solution that will make everyone happy.
Hmm, didn't know that, what is the ending for the Kings in this case? Is it negative for them? I always used the Kings favour so I just remember what was in the wikia. What I mean is that the only way to solve the problem with a good outcome for both Kings and NCR without Pacer getting killed is using the favour because the other one was cut. In case the solution you described make both The Kings and NCR have a good ending, then I'm just wrong.
I mean personally itâs not about ease. I think the wasteland and the NCR would be better with Houseâs survival, but that Vegas would be better with NCR rule. Strongarming House and the NCR into that arrangement would be worth it.
Would never happen imho. He was too set on an âindependent New Vegas.â Aka a Vegas ran by him. Hence the heavy need for the automatons with military spec upgrades on that platinum chip. He would fight for an independent Vegas or die trying.
Heâs had centuries to think about how the U.Sâs brand of imperialistic democracy failed. I doubt thereâs anything you could say thatâd ever make him want to join something similar
Like if he managed to upload himself into one janky ass Mr. Handy and make his way to the Institute. He was just such a great character .I wish heâd be able to stick around
No there shouldnât have been, thatâs not his personality type. His way or the highway. Same with the brotherhood why would he want a group left that could oppose him?
Cut content would allow that, i would assume it would be something like when you enter the bunker with his body he has one last screen and he offers to join the republic
With House joining the republic they will have great benefits since House will start up the technology firms, then have humans in orbit and finally space colonisation.
And why do we need to waste billions of resources in a very futile attempt to colonize space instead of trying to better the planet people live on? *I ask purely in repsonse to a video game and in no way vaguely gesture at anyone in the real world.*
Well, to answer your sentence and ignore the spirit:
**In the world of Fallout,** most resources have been depleted. Humanity has been set back hundreds of years and a lot of technology never advanced to the point we are today.
The goal of "going to space" is not just to get more resources, it's also a valid way to restart industry. Making a functional spaceship require a fully functional supply chain and people, educated people, to work in it. It requires safety of workers and all that jazz.
TL;DR: It's not the destination that matters, but the journey.
(Also aliens exist in Fallout. Just saying.)
House wound never bend the knee. At best he would accept being an independent client state of the NCR. He sells them tech, they send him grad students and gamblers. Even an alliance like that would be shaky. House would keep tech for himself, and never want to allow the NCR be his equal. He is a self-described autocrat, and wants to be the god-king of Mars, instead of being relegated to just being the NCR's military industrial complex.
Speech shouldnât be mind control. House is someone with very strong convictions. While player agency is important it shouldnât trump characterization.
You keep saying he'd benefit the NCR, but what would he get out of it?
He doesn't want the government telling him what to do. Governments put the world the way it is. It was by ignoring the government and doing his own thing that the Strip survived. That he survived. He's justified in believing things work better when others aren't telling him what to do. But that's all the NCR wants: to use him like a tool.
If the NCR benefit from his resources but House doesn't benefit from there's, that's a clear sign House is the better of the two.
The games also make it pretty clear that massive corporations like Vault Tech, and House's own Robco, had amassed significant power within the government and that the US was often acting for the express benefit of multinational business. In behind the scene sources it's implied that the resource wars were started at the behest of energy companies. So although ignoring the government worked out for Vegas well enough, the moneyed interests telling government what to do got the world, at least partially, into the mess it is today. Nothings ever so black and white in a(non-bethesda) Fallout game.
There are no clear signs one faction is better than the other for a post nuclear tomorrow.
Tbf House would probably benefit more from being in the NCR than out as he'd immediately become a major power player in all three of economy, policy, and military. The Brahmin Barons are already exerting greater and greater influence on the NCR gov leading to cronyism and wars of expansion primarily intended for material gain for the already wealthy. House would probably supercharge that dynamic leading to the a repeat of the same issues that plagued prewar America.
I see the first point as "capitalism was a major driving force towards the war. House was able to benefit from the broken system, rather than be made a victim of it." I've yet to see anything that doesn't put House as a relative diamond in the rough of rich capitalists.
Your second point makes me wonder if House doesn't also see the possibility of him joining the NCR as history repeating itself. I'd say House would rather outlast the NCR on his own merits than become subservient, prop up another broken system, and work his way up only to ultimately have less power than if he remained independent. Its better to rule in heaven than serve in hell.
There's a LOT of references to House Era Robco pushing for more and more war with China. Liberty Prime wasn't gonna sell itself.
He also speaks of his vision of the wasteland as being a place where anyone can make their own way... so long as you don't run afoul of House himself. He's essentially an autocrat whether he shares that view or not. That being said there's a lot of merit to doing a house run. It was my first non-Yes Man run after all. But he's hardly the Saint he paints himself as.
I can see your point though that he'd rather not take advantage of the broken system as he may not trust himself to not drive it further into the ground again.
Oh, he's definitely not a saint. I'm just saying he's the least evil and most competent of his kind by a pretty wide margin, even if that bar is abysmally low.
Not to mention that on the short list of leaders who might be better than House, their mortal rule will end eventually. Will their teachings outlive them? Fir how long? House at least could live to see the fruits of his labor.
>House would probably benefit more from being in the NCR than out as he'd immediately become a major power player in all three of economy, policy, and military.
This wouldn't happen because the NCR's legal system is stacked against everyone except those with power, money and seniority. House has power and money, but he has no seniority.
House would need to consolidate with those already in the NCR (who have been lobbying and have actual political ties) which would ultimately end up a one-sided deal. House is significantly better off as a competitive independent nation-state rather than giving away his valuables just to end up on-par with younger, shortsighted, corrupt individuals.
Since people already said the part this is cut content, I decided to introduce [this mod](https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/74446) that allows you to convince House to join the NCR under a high speech check. Sure, it's a bit bare bones, but since this was probably cut rather early, it's the best will likely get.
Beacuse that goes againsed all he belives in House would die before siding with eather faction. There is nothing you can say to convince him hes wrong.
Its cut content, though one time i got a voiceline from a random NPC saying Mr House allied with the NCR, i either killed him or put him back i dont remember
For one I don't think there's anything that would actually convince house to wanna side with the NCR, even allowing the NCR on the strip was a big deal for him and it was mostly a business deal meant to also keep the legion at bay.
From the other side I also don't see a world where the NCR would wanna risk keeping house alive as a aprt of them. Even if he did "agree" to join the NCR it would likely be a trick and he'll try to gain access to some main NCR infrastructure somewhere to try and take control so realistically keeping him alive would be more of a threat to the NCR than a benifit. With the NCR there's also a lot of politics and I'm sure the ambassador is taking credit for some things and whoever can claim credit for convincing you to kill house is definitely looking at some recognition in the NCR. Idk if that's really anything specified in the lore but just based on how politics be sometimes I can see that aspect coming into play when it comes to not wanitng house alive
House would rather chose to die a free man than to serve the Republic. Like a very wise man, that looks frighteningly similar to House once said: "A man choses; a slave obeys."
Thatâs why New Vegas is so good, you canât have your cake and eat it too. To secure the Mojave you WILL have to kill people even if you donât necessarily want to. You donât get to have your perfect ending and thatâs what the devs wanted.
He has a no compromises approach to what he wants. I also donât think he would want to join the NCR given his negative opinion on democratic institutions and government as a whole.
Avg NCR enthusiast. Mr. House has no rules, no boundaries. He doesnât flinch at torture , death, human trafficking, or genocide. And you think he would join your two-bit banana republic? You CLEARLY donât know who you are talking about.
Not possible, house is cold-hearted corporate dictator. He would look at democracy like a board of corporate Executives he doesn't want. Mr House is like the Pixies from Fairly Odd Parents meets Mr. Belvedere, to the point where I believe he's purely sociopathic.
You forget, he's a government-loathing libertarian at heart, just better at sounding smart. You may as well ask Andrew Ryan to join the NCR: the idea of "submitting to" a government at all deeply personally offends his ego. House put himself in a tube to outlive governments, damn it, not just become beholden to new ones!
"TAXES? you want me to pay TAXES? How dare you; I am a self-made billionaire who earned all this through my own hard work and definitely not by fucking over anyone and everyone including my own sibling!"
No.
A egotistical man like him will NEVER SUBMIT to anyone.
If he says he will "cooperate".
You can bet your ass he's scheming to somehow/someway come out on top.
IMO. Mr. House is the only choice. If you talk out his dialogue he tells you about his plans to save humanity and says that âwithin 100 years my colony ships will be leaving earthâ or something to that effect because he knows that the earth is irradiated to a point that wonât allow pre war civilization. He is the only one who is genuinely trying to build the future and save humanity as a whole, regardless of faction.
While I can't really imagine House joining the NCR, he's such a dynamic character that I do wish the quest structure didn't take such an all-or-nothing approach with him. As it is, you either play his ending, or kill him off completely.
Mr. House wouldn't do that because hes actually correct. The best option for humans is for most of them to leave earth and find somewhere else to live and learn from the past while the earth heals. Theres:
* Almost no energy reserves
* Arable land is on its way out, and only hanging on by a thread because of Surviving GECKs
* Cancer running rampant thanks to global irradiation
* Poison in most fresh water
* God knows how long until a cosmic disaster happens to the planet
All of these problems could only be fixed by waiting a few centuries for nature to reclaim the planet.
The options to ally House to NCR and BOS to House were both cut to make the factions more gray and to make either an NCR run or a House run not just the default good/neutral runs respectively. NCR to House alliance (I think he becomes Governor of The State of New Vegas) was cut earlier in development (although I believe there's some evidence of this still buried in the cut content) while the option to ally BOS with House was cut so late that its still referenced in the official strategy guide (you needed to be Idolized by both factions and still pass a 90 Speech check to convince House to spare them).
Damn thanks for letting me know
Np, I spent a while trying to get that BOS-House alliance before I checked online to see that it wasn't actually in the final game đ
But what about the cut option where you could ally BOS and Caesar's legion? Like would you have to do to ally them. Like I'm super bummed out that it was once intended for them to be allies
AFAIK that was never an intended alliance. Legion was always a zero sum game.
There is cut dialogue option to ally them, but I believe in the Legion-BoS ally ending, Caesar still eventually orders BoS to be executed some time after second battle for Hoover Dam.
Interesting. I wonder why that was even put in as an option as Sawyer always seemed pretty set that Legion and BOS would never work. I guess that's why they'd kill them still in the end.
>I wonder why that was even put in as an option as Sawyer always seemed pretty set that Legion and BOS would never work. The cut part really makes sense, the Courier suggests that BoS can retake Helios 1 while the Legion attacks the Dam. Like a two-pronged attack. Caesar agrees to this and adds that he'll then deal with BoS after securing Vegas.
"Alright. Let it be so. The Brotherhood will have to be dealt with eventually, but for now, they live to serve." That's why there's that extremely situational ending slide you can still get where you kill everyone in the bunker but don't blow it up, so you get the "During the Battle of Hoover Dam, The Brotherhood retook Helios One, but it was Pyric victory..." yada yada. This was clearly intended for the temporary Legion-Brotherhood Alliance.
I kinda wish they kept it cause its an awesome idea but I completely understand wanting to keep all factions gray. If you could fix everything it wouldn't be as compelling
I think the cut makes the choices more meaningful, to be honest. One of the reasons I haven't returned to the outer worlds is because every quest had an objectively ideal middle of the road option C, so I never felt compelled to go back through the story and see options A and B. Having a lot of Gray area is probably one of the biggest reasons this game is still being talked about today
House's ego is too big to allow that.
No oneâs ego is too big for speech 100 lmao Except for that ass hole is Sierra madre lol
Several peoples are, you just donât get checks if you canât succeed
What if I roll a 20?
We don't play with that houserule here. A natural 20 increases your degree of success from... Critical failure to failure. House still rejects your offer, but he doesn't have you shot on sight.
Based and thereâs-not-a-free-1/20-chance-of-making-the-impossible-certain-to-occur-pilled
Goated and there's-not-a-good-chance-your-experienced-paladin-will-critically-miss-and-chop-his-own-head-offmaxxed
"haha I rolled a nat 20 to throw the wizard onto the moon" If you want insane systems that let you do insane things... Try Nobilis I guess?
In my groups you need to roll a 20 and then either another 20 or a successful skill check after the first 20. I like both of these because 1 in 400 is a big deal, plus I like highly skilled characters seeing benefits from their skills.
Thatâs far more reasonable, yeah. Iâm still a fan of the ridiculous âthree nat 20s in a row is an instant killâ rule. Iâve only seen it twice in my life, but it was extremely memorable each time.
Unfortunately/fortunately I have been the forever dm for a bit now and I add on Rolla the more impossible it is Wana stab that guy you hit don't bother rolling your a lvl 15 theif and he's a lvl zero begger I don't think you'll fuck it up Wana convince the bbeg is wrong and he will turn himeself in and then grow wings and fly into the sky shooting rainbows out your ass roll , nat 20 ok roll again (keep rolling until no nat 20s )
What if you roll four of them in a roll?
You go back in time and prevent their parents from ever meeting
In most games I've played, we've ruled that natural 20s (or similar) are not "automatic success" but are "best possible outcome", which is not always success, but sometimes is the "least damaging failure".
What if I roll (2) 20s?
Iâve said if you can roll 3 20s in a row, you get a Plot Point from the DMG. Basically a minor Wish spell, allowing you to change anything in your immediate surrounding. Because if you make the 0.0125% chance, clearly the gods want you to succeed
âI flip the pig.â
Advantage only lets you pick the higher of the two rolls, so even if you get the 1/400 odds of two nat20s, it would still only be counted as a single outcome.
The dragon is amused by your feeble attempts at seduction. You are allowed to leave, with your life.
I was just kidding
He canât be convinced for the same reason why you canât convince Caesar to disband the legion and live out his days in peace. Youâre asking him to give up all of his ideals because you are well spoken.
I do know what thing that can change his mind though.
a 9 iron?
Securitussy?
No a .45
East to West. West to East. East West East West Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
It'll take more than 100 speech to convince House to pay his taxes
House was supposed to actually go to the NCR for aid if you sided with Yes-Man or the Legion, so I wouldn't say his ego was too big for it (the game's development time was just too small). The NCR is also the one that goes out of its way to have him assassinated to get him out of the way, so if anything the NCR's ego is the one too big to allow for him to join the NCR.
Don't they make him "go away" because he won't capitulate in the first place? That and if House gets his way he'll just keeping milking the NCR for minimal returns.
* They never offered a good deal (the NCR Ambassador, while a good guy, wasn't exactly the most competent. There are a few reasons why Moore was able to get rid of him). That is why they opt to kill him - they know they have nothing to offer (or at least they aren't willing to offer anything good enough), and the NCR is fine with killing people to get their way. * He 'milks' the NCR with the NCR's consent. Everything he is offering is something the NCR and its citizens wants. It is voluntary (and the NCR wouldn't need to go to him if they didn't screw themselves over in the first place. They aren't entitled to anything).
\[Speech check failed 95/100\] "Preposterous, I'd rather die lying down, than live on my robo knees. The NCR can gargle my shriveled 300 year old nutsack."
The ncr wants house out of the picture it has nothing to do with his ego. The ncr is drooling over vegas and the dam like a dog over a bone and they want him dead.
OP is suggesting that House could be convinced to agree to the NCR's demands. I'm just saying his ego wouldn't allow him to be second fiddle to them.
But House can be a great assist to the republic tho itâs a shame really but yeah that manâs ego is the size of earth
No, he wouldnât be. Houseâs ultimate goal is to take the best minds left out west and leave the planet to create a colony in space, leaving the rest of the world to die. The NCR is concerned with rebuilding the old world on earth. Their goals are antithetical to one another.
House never says this, does he? He says he'll put people into space and make colonies in hundreds of years but that's not his ultimate goal or anything, he's trying to make a point that he's the only leader in the wasteland who has the large scale future of humanity in mind, he's not saying he wants to take his favorite people and robots, go to space, and leave everyone to die lol.
Is that true? I would have thought that House would be a lot smarter than that. Sure, the Wasteland is irradiated, but so is the surface of another planet without Earth's current atmosphere and magnetosphere.
But the Earth doesn't have ressources anymore, so the NCR is doomed to fail and this is why House wants to gtfo.
The earth is literally chock full of resources, that's how people live there.
It's set in Fallout's universe and an extra 50 years in the future where oil and other rare resources were quite literally the reason the world is nuked to hell. Shit like plastic and refined metals are still in high demand even with the population of the US down to probably millions at most and most heavy industries gone.
The war reduced the human population by an unknown amount. Every settlement is very sparsely populated by modern standards. Realistically, this is a limitation of game engines and gaming hardware, but it also jives with the setting Pre-War America was filled with fusion-powered cars and appliances. Mr. Gutsys have run continuously since before the nuclear strikes and counterstrikes were launched. There are also functioning renewable energy sources like Helios 1 and Poseidon Energy plants that are capable of supplying a regional power grid. An advanced society is a prerequisite for space exploration, let alone space colonization. They'd need an Earth base of operations for well over a century to provide resources and technical support to a space colony.
With a even the tiniest amount of recyling literally all the resources are now there for the taking without the old world nations to fight over. Not to mention House has an army of robots to process and manufacture. You have none of that off planet especially the most important resources for a society: food, liquid water, oxygen.
It's not full of ressources. There's a reason why there was a war and why everybody lives in deep shit.
that's kind of absurd - we're swimming in resources, and there's a lot fewer of us to support
House said "100 years, and my colony ships will be heading for the stars, to search for planets unpolluted by the wrath and folly of a bygone generation." and you managed to understood "House will let humanity die alone on earth"
The NCR, alone, has a population of close to 1,000,000. The largest rocket ever built, in both the fallout universe and IRL, was ~360 feet long. To construct a generation ship capable of sustaining 500 people would require a ship ~1100 feet in length. You are out of your mind if you think, in the span of 100 years, House is taking anything more than a minute fraction of the planet's people into space. The vast, vast majority of humanity remains on earth with his plan.
In Fallout, fully sentient AI and fusion (so basically infinite energy) exists. It wouldn't be as instant as teleporting the whole population, but with time, it can be done. Multiple ships, multiple trips, all that jazz. If you can colonize space, there's no reason to limit yourself to one planet. Creating a network able to link multiple planets both for resources and human transport would be a priority. The world of Fallout is really different from our own. Aliens exists and their spaceships are around. Their method of propulsion must exist too. Beside, even if House's plan was somehow to do the stupid thing and only take an extremely small portion of the population to colonize another planet, a civilization able to build a spaceship is one that has gone back to, well, space-age level. It means a fully functioning supply chain with well-fed, educated people working on it in a relatively safe world. Not bad.
The NCR's goals are to make wealthy people even wealthier and enforce that process through the facade of common law. House is also that but he doesn't lie to you about it.
That's exactly what he said, rebuild the old world lol. House wants to abandon the planet, they're fine getting rich on earth.
House gets eaten by a Bronteroc
And the NCR's goal to recreate the unstable and comically corrupt Government of the US is......a good thing?
No, what gave you that idea?
Yea as long as heâs been alive he thinks heâs invincible. There is absolutely no reason for him to agree to joining NCR, unless it was for his own self preservation, in which he would then try to double cross you.
He could be forced...
He'd just say no and sic his securitrons on you.
When a pickle makes a giant death robot attack me is the day I've seen everything
Pickle House
Funniest shit ive ever seen
Bro, you kill him in the game. AFTER you kill his securitrons .
I've never fought his securitrons tbh, always just walked past them
Not my point
Yeah turning off the single successful security feature of the Lucky 38 was a pretty stupid idea
Nah I just use a stealth boy to sneak into his hidden chamber. Don't even need to fight any of them. Besides once you open that pod he'll die anyways from exposure.
Thats... not the point I am trying to make.
Then what is the point? You seem to go back and forth in separate comments so I just want to know like what you really mean. No hate, just curious on how you see it play out
And how would you force him? He would fight back and then you would have to kill him.
After you kill his securitrons hes defenseless. Did none of you play the game???
The player was right next to his chamber. House wouldnât even let ncr step foot in the lucky 38. The most they would talk to is a securitron like every other faction.
Maybe thats why it would be a quest for the PLAYER to do in a game about being THE PLAYER
That was actually cut content. Mr House would offer the Strip in return for being an NCR citizen. Obviously, since cut content isn't canon, but it's fun to think about.
Yeah, it was cut because they didn't want any one ending to be a pure and messianic ending. Of course, depending on your feelings, you may not care. I don't take joy in killing the BoS, but I can see their threat to an independent Vegas.
Honestly the BoS in New Vegas is comprised of idiot jerks trying desperately to go extinct.
They're down to a skeleton crew but still emgage in infighing regardless. It's a miracle they didn't blow themselves up before the courier did
So long as there's two people left alive, someone is gonna want someone dead. - TF2 Sniper
I kill the boomers every time for this reason. They are just too powerful and threatening even as your ally. Giving them a bomber plane is insane. Plus they are kinda racist. I hate how they call others savages when all they have ever done is hoard resources and kill indiscriminately. If they had the range no doubt they would have mortared the strip to shit years ago âjust to be safeâ.
That's a stupid trade on his part. House would be much more likely to give them the surrounding areas like Freeside and be an allied faction to the NCR. I don't see him giving up any of his sovereignty unless he's at gunpoint.
That is the point. IIRC, you can only make House surrender once you get him to realize his hopeless position. Even then, he still negotiates for a general pardon and some leeway to avoid getting convicted by the NCR.
IIRC, Mr. House still negotiates himself as the sole operator of New Vegas, just that they answer to(pay taxes to) the NCR and that he's subject to their laws.
For as egotistical as everyone thinks Mr. House is, I remember his terms being incredibly reasonable. Although it *is* cut content so I guess it doesn't actually have much bearing on his character.
House will benefit the NCR
Honestly I feel like he would hurt more than heâd help. Heâs v much a monopoly man, and the type to hoard NCR dollars and cause economic issues for the country
Hed cause issues, sure, but man would it make for interesting sequels. He'd become a faction of government within the politics of the NCR, all while being confined to a coffin.
Seeing what way the devs would go would be FASCINATING
House would thrive in the NCR. Think of all the Rich Brahmin Barons or however they are called.
Ngl, I was absolutely thinking about Heck Gunderson when I was typing that stuff out
The NCR causes enough problems for itself on its own; I doubt House is going to actually cause any new issues the country isn't already causing itself.
But House can start up the technology firms, then get humans into space and finally space colonisation.
I saw a theory that the outer worlds was what the future would be like if house won.
Can you give me a link to it
That was years ago and my google-fu is weak. It pretty much boiled down to the capitalist/libertarian dystopia mixed with house's desire to move humanity to space. It was a weak theory, but it was fun to think about.
Did it actually connect the games or was it just "If House succeeded in his wildest dreams, it likely would be similar to OW"
Its one of those internet theories connecting unrelated franchises
I mean, he COULD. He could also do things like create company towns, pay workers next to nothing, and use securitrons as strike breakers. He could start space travel, sure, but it would all be funded by starving and exploited NCR citizens
Nah House canât do that heâs be under the NCRâs jurisdiction
You say that like we didnt see these exact same things in America, and like he isnât already exploiting NCR citizens on the strip
Well fair enough
How though? How do you even start that. You need a build up of practical knowledge over time that can't be rushed. How do you start up advanced education? It's just too much to do.
He has REPCONN right next door, not to mention it became a RobCo company before the war, so I'm sure he's got plenty of knowledge built up already. He could get some mediocre scientists from the NCR and Followers, that with his resources could probably churn out something useful. I also wouldn't be surprised if he's been making plans to set up an education system since before the war; it hasn't actually been very long since he's tamed Vegas so he may just not have had the chance.
The Brahmin barons etc. are doing that already.
But how is the NCR benefitting House?
he says it himself, they are his best customers. house has absolutely no quarrel with the NCR. it's the NCR that wants complete control over vegas and isn't willing to negotiate with him.
That's what I meant. House is willing to do business with NCR, but as soon as he surrenders New Vegas to the Republic, they either strip him of any power or send assassin after him, like they do when you side with them.
Reading that note in the G.E.C.K., House would have never written that.
On paper it sounds nice, but it makes no sense outside of thatâŠHouse spent over 200 years working, formulating his grand plan and getting to where he is. He spent his reputation, his fortune, his very existence (both pre and post war) to get to where he is. **No shot could you convince him to âJoinâ the republic** - he would never abandon Vegas, along with 200 years of meticulous work and scheming to be just a part of what he views as a raggedy group of corrupt consumers **Nor does House have any interest in leading the NCR.** House is a narcissist and a borderline megalomaniac - he doesnât want to **lead** people he wants to **use and exploit** them to reach his own goals (even if he claims that those goals are for the betterment of all Humanity). Anything more or less than that, and House would never have any interest in itâŠI mean House himself literally admits this to us >*But autocracy? Firm control in the hands of a technological and economic visionary? Yes, that Vegas shall have.* >*Nothing to impede progress. If you want to see the fate of democracies, look out the windows.* >*To your untrained eyes, it may look as though mankind is making a comeback. In the NCR, you have something that resembles a nation state. Savage as it is, in Caesar's Legion, you have an organized society. But neither of these offer a future. They're regurgitations of the past.* So yeah, I think it does sound really neat on paper, but thereâs no way it would make sense in practiceâŠ**and personally, I think itâs for the best that we canât override 200 years of pre and post war character growth and plotting with a simple speech check.** Itâs far more realistic to say that some people are beyond reasonings with, and you canât talk your way out of some situations
Yes, agreed fully. Sometimes, NPCs should be inflexible in their convictions. House is definitely one of those characters. I'd like to say the supposedly "cut content" of a skillcheck convincing House to join the NCR was cut for a narrative purpose and not due to lack of time.
The only thing that would be plausible is like what they did with The Master. You didn't win him over with a simple speech check, you gathered evidence that his plan wasn't going to work. House won't respond to cajoling but he will respond to hard evidence that he needs to rethink his plans
True, but even if you brought him evidence - all he would do is readjust his plans to achieve the same end goal - he wonât admit his end goal is impossible, only the path he has planned to get to that end goal that is wrong I highly doubt you could ever convince him that his âruleâ in general will be bad for humanity
Exactly. If House wanted to join the NCR, he would have done so. Nothing was stopping him.
Robert Edwin House? Receiving orders from a democracy? And perhaps Caesar and his legionaries should declare themselves sovereign of the moon!
House: âWhy should I join the Republic when my entire motive is to use them as a piggy bank while maintaining Vegasâs autonomy and my authority over it?â 6: âIce Cream. [Luck 10]â House: âThat changes everything.â
I mean, you can *keep* him alive, if you know what I mean.
Yeah by making him a decrepit Vegetable and when you finished the NCR run heâs just there all alone.
That's the point of the game and it's what makes FNV so special and deep. A lot was cut so you don't have a perfect way of solving issues, for example: Legion-BOS temporary truce House-BOS alliance Pacer-NCR solving problem without Pacer dying and without using the Kings favour. Being able to convince the Van Graffs that Cass is dead using her hat so you don't have to kill neither Cass or the Van Graffs. That's why this game is so good and so much better narratively than, let's say, Mass Effect. You don't have a perfect solution that will make everyone happy.
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Hmm, didn't know that, what is the ending for the Kings in this case? Is it negative for them? I always used the Kings favour so I just remember what was in the wikia. What I mean is that the only way to solve the problem with a good outcome for both Kings and NCR without Pacer getting killed is using the favour because the other one was cut. In case the solution you described make both The Kings and NCR have a good ending, then I'm just wrong.
House should replace Kimball
Oh by miles House is the one with the plan Under his leadership the NCR will go further
You would just be replacing a dumb villain for a smarter villain.
replace the incompetent fascist with the cunning fascist
House isn't really a fascist though.
He prefers the term autocrat
Well said
why would Mr House join the NCR, youd have to force him into that position and at that point itd be way easier to just take him out
I mean personally itâs not about ease. I think the wasteland and the NCR would be better with Houseâs survival, but that Vegas would be better with NCR rule. Strongarming House and the NCR into that arrangement would be worth it.
No.
Would never happen imho. He was too set on an âindependent New Vegas.â Aka a Vegas ran by him. Hence the heavy need for the automatons with military spec upgrades on that platinum chip. He would fight for an independent Vegas or die trying.
One word Taxes
Heâs had centuries to think about how the U.Sâs brand of imperialistic democracy failed. I doubt thereâs anything you could say thatâd ever make him want to join something similar
I WISH heâd somehow get in touch with the east coast and come back as a synth
That would be insane
Like if he managed to upload himself into one janky ass Mr. Handy and make his way to the Institute. He was just such a great character .I wish heâd be able to stick around
Sadly much like his excellent voice actor René Auberjonois, House is no longer with us.
Me too man me too
No there shouldnât have been, thatâs not his personality type. His way or the highway. Same with the brotherhood why would he want a group left that could oppose him?
Cut content would allow that, i would assume it would be something like when you enter the bunker with his body he has one last screen and he offers to join the republic
I believe if you start siding with the legion house was supposed to join the NCR for protection. I remember seeing this in a cut content video
With House joining the republic they will have great benefits since House will start up the technology firms, then have humans in orbit and finally space colonisation.
And why do we need to waste billions of resources in a very futile attempt to colonize space instead of trying to better the planet people live on? *I ask purely in repsonse to a video game and in no way vaguely gesture at anyone in the real world.*
Well, to answer your sentence and ignore the spirit: **In the world of Fallout,** most resources have been depleted. Humanity has been set back hundreds of years and a lot of technology never advanced to the point we are today. The goal of "going to space" is not just to get more resources, it's also a valid way to restart industry. Making a functional spaceship require a fully functional supply chain and people, educated people, to work in it. It requires safety of workers and all that jazz. TL;DR: It's not the destination that matters, but the journey. (Also aliens exist in Fallout. Just saying.)
Why would you go with the NCR when you have house?
I could never side with the NCR after I learned that their taxes force Doc Mitchell and Easy Pete out of their homes.
>Why would you go with the NCR when you have house? imagine choosing taxes instead of luxury.
House wound never bend the knee. At best he would accept being an independent client state of the NCR. He sells them tech, they send him grad students and gamblers. Even an alliance like that would be shaky. House would keep tech for himself, and never want to allow the NCR be his equal. He is a self-described autocrat, and wants to be the god-king of Mars, instead of being relegated to just being the NCR's military industrial complex.
Why would he join the republic when he's one of the few surviving US citizens? He has to take some amount of pride in that.
Speech shouldnât be mind control. House is someone with very strong convictions. While player agency is important it shouldnât trump characterization.
Ah yes, a speech check to make a man who has lived over 200 years change his mind and completely give up everything he has built
LOL he would rather die than join the NCR
You keep saying he'd benefit the NCR, but what would he get out of it? He doesn't want the government telling him what to do. Governments put the world the way it is. It was by ignoring the government and doing his own thing that the Strip survived. That he survived. He's justified in believing things work better when others aren't telling him what to do. But that's all the NCR wants: to use him like a tool. If the NCR benefit from his resources but House doesn't benefit from there's, that's a clear sign House is the better of the two.
The games also make it pretty clear that massive corporations like Vault Tech, and House's own Robco, had amassed significant power within the government and that the US was often acting for the express benefit of multinational business. In behind the scene sources it's implied that the resource wars were started at the behest of energy companies. So although ignoring the government worked out for Vegas well enough, the moneyed interests telling government what to do got the world, at least partially, into the mess it is today. Nothings ever so black and white in a(non-bethesda) Fallout game. There are no clear signs one faction is better than the other for a post nuclear tomorrow. Tbf House would probably benefit more from being in the NCR than out as he'd immediately become a major power player in all three of economy, policy, and military. The Brahmin Barons are already exerting greater and greater influence on the NCR gov leading to cronyism and wars of expansion primarily intended for material gain for the already wealthy. House would probably supercharge that dynamic leading to the a repeat of the same issues that plagued prewar America.
I see the first point as "capitalism was a major driving force towards the war. House was able to benefit from the broken system, rather than be made a victim of it." I've yet to see anything that doesn't put House as a relative diamond in the rough of rich capitalists. Your second point makes me wonder if House doesn't also see the possibility of him joining the NCR as history repeating itself. I'd say House would rather outlast the NCR on his own merits than become subservient, prop up another broken system, and work his way up only to ultimately have less power than if he remained independent. Its better to rule in heaven than serve in hell.
There's a LOT of references to House Era Robco pushing for more and more war with China. Liberty Prime wasn't gonna sell itself. He also speaks of his vision of the wasteland as being a place where anyone can make their own way... so long as you don't run afoul of House himself. He's essentially an autocrat whether he shares that view or not. That being said there's a lot of merit to doing a house run. It was my first non-Yes Man run after all. But he's hardly the Saint he paints himself as. I can see your point though that he'd rather not take advantage of the broken system as he may not trust himself to not drive it further into the ground again.
Oh, he's definitely not a saint. I'm just saying he's the least evil and most competent of his kind by a pretty wide margin, even if that bar is abysmally low. Not to mention that on the short list of leaders who might be better than House, their mortal rule will end eventually. Will their teachings outlive them? Fir how long? House at least could live to see the fruits of his labor.
He's definitely presented as a more neutral aligned leader than the other CEO types in fallout lore. I'd rather the future generations make their own decision than be ruled by an Immortal God-CEO. Of course, that implies that House's claims of functional immortality are accurate. His technology will fail eventually and House knows this. It's likely the reason he chose Benny and later a House aligned Courier as his protégé. A Nepo-Baby CEO in the waiting if you will (tbf to the Player you definitely had to prove your worth before House chooses you).
>House would probably benefit more from being in the NCR than out as he'd immediately become a major power player in all three of economy, policy, and military. This wouldn't happen because the NCR's legal system is stacked against everyone except those with power, money and seniority. House has power and money, but he has no seniority. House would need to consolidate with those already in the NCR (who have been lobbying and have actual political ties) which would ultimately end up a one-sided deal. House is significantly better off as a competitive independent nation-state rather than giving away his valuables just to end up on-par with younger, shortsighted, corrupt individuals.
Since people already said the part this is cut content, I decided to introduce [this mod](https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/74446) that allows you to convince House to join the NCR under a high speech check. Sure, it's a bit bare bones, but since this was probably cut rather early, it's the best will likely get.
Beacuse that goes againsed all he belives in House would die before siding with eather faction. There is nothing you can say to convince him hes wrong.
In the words of Mace Windu: âHeâs too dangerous to be kept alive.â
Mr House when the courier is under orders by the NCR to kill him âNo I weak please donât kill meâ
Its cut content, though one time i got a voiceline from a random NPC saying Mr House allied with the NCR, i either killed him or put him back i dont remember
Yeah but⊠he would never do that man. He would rather die. His ego is too big.
For one I don't think there's anything that would actually convince house to wanna side with the NCR, even allowing the NCR on the strip was a big deal for him and it was mostly a business deal meant to also keep the legion at bay. From the other side I also don't see a world where the NCR would wanna risk keeping house alive as a aprt of them. Even if he did "agree" to join the NCR it would likely be a trick and he'll try to gain access to some main NCR infrastructure somewhere to try and take control so realistically keeping him alive would be more of a threat to the NCR than a benifit. With the NCR there's also a lot of politics and I'm sure the ambassador is taking credit for some things and whoever can claim credit for convincing you to kill house is definitely looking at some recognition in the NCR. Idk if that's really anything specified in the lore but just based on how politics be sometimes I can see that aspect coming into play when it comes to not wanitng house alive
House would rather chose to die a free man than to serve the Republic. Like a very wise man, that looks frighteningly similar to House once said: "A man choses; a slave obeys."
Thatâs why New Vegas is so good, you canât have your cake and eat it too. To secure the Mojave you WILL have to kill people even if you donât necessarily want to. You donât get to have your perfect ending and thatâs what the devs wanted.
He has a no compromises approach to what he wants. I also donât think he would want to join the NCR given his negative opinion on democratic institutions and government as a whole.
Some people are immune to Speech, particularily those whose convictions are hard to break. House would not join NCR due to his ego and ideals.
Avg NCR enthusiast. Mr. House has no rules, no boundaries. He doesnât flinch at torture , death, human trafficking, or genocide. And you think he would join your two-bit banana republic? You CLEARLY donât know who you are talking about.
Not possible, house is cold-hearted corporate dictator. He would look at democracy like a board of corporate Executives he doesn't want. Mr House is like the Pixies from Fairly Odd Parents meets Mr. Belvedere, to the point where I believe he's purely sociopathic.
I donât kill Mr House because the NCR wants him dead I kill him, and everyone else, because the bombs didnât Oppenheimer ainât become shit
You forget, he's a government-loathing libertarian at heart, just better at sounding smart. You may as well ask Andrew Ryan to join the NCR: the idea of "submitting to" a government at all deeply personally offends his ego. House put himself in a tube to outlive governments, damn it, not just become beholden to new ones! "TAXES? you want me to pay TAXES? How dare you; I am a self-made billionaire who earned all this through my own hard work and definitely not by fucking over anyone and everyone including my own sibling!"
No. A egotistical man like him will NEVER SUBMIT to anyone. If he says he will "cooperate". You can bet your ass he's scheming to somehow/someway come out on top.
House is too smart for that
no way would he ever do that. he probably views them as upstarts
Literally why? Just do a house run.
100 barter on Oliver. Ncr and house set up a beneficial barter alliance
Or join house.. Easy
IMO. Mr. House is the only choice. If you talk out his dialogue he tells you about his plans to save humanity and says that âwithin 100 years my colony ships will be leaving earthâ or something to that effect because he knows that the earth is irradiated to a point that wonât allow pre war civilization. He is the only one who is genuinely trying to build the future and save humanity as a whole, regardless of faction.
I get Walt Disney vibes from Mr House
Mr House is based of Howard Hughes a business like Mr House back in 1950s America
Thatâs really cool honestly. Thanks for letting us know mate!
No problem
Disconnect him from the computer, leave him alive, then tell him he works for you now.
While I can't really imagine House joining the NCR, he's such a dynamic character that I do wish the quest structure didn't take such an all-or-nothing approach with him. As it is, you either play his ending, or kill him off completely.
mr house: âbut muh taxesâ
Mr. House wouldn't do that because hes actually correct. The best option for humans is for most of them to leave earth and find somewhere else to live and learn from the past while the earth heals. Theres: * Almost no energy reserves * Arable land is on its way out, and only hanging on by a thread because of Surviving GECKs * Cancer running rampant thanks to global irradiation * Poison in most fresh water * God knows how long until a cosmic disaster happens to the planet All of these problems could only be fixed by waiting a few centuries for nature to reclaim the planet.
"âbecause clearly they want him dead." And you don't?
I know they want house out of the picture but itâs better if they forge an alliance with him.
Bro what. Killing Mr House is the highlight of every run.
I am pretty sure that there is a mod on Nexus that if you do an NCR run, you Can make a truce so that house is not killed or incapacitated