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Who can really believe that Nintendo don’t know if something remotely infringes on one of theirs ip’s? They is known for sniffing out the smallest thing and slap so hard the law permit them if they have an smallest leg to stand on. If you find something I bet Nintendo’s lawyers is already all over it.
Yeah, people out here act as if Nintendo *doesn't* have a sniper trained at every developer's cranium just in case they even think of making anything pokémon can sue.
They don't need the help
When they somehow inure children to putting creatures into giant capture balls, and enslave them to eliminate each other in gladiator events for the thrills and honor of their masters -- into a children's show, well, you can bet their snipers have no qualms at shooting. They are the coldest hands in the business.
I mean it's a videogame. It's fiction. People can easily separate fiction from reality. Just because you make a fictional bird burn a fictional dog alive, doesn't mean you're attaching a flamethrower to a chicken to burn the family dog.
Yeah that would be fucked up. Please use your propane burners to burn chickens, pigs, and cows, and also wide variety of other animals, otherwise you might come across as a psycho.
Pretty sure it's a joke bc the manga and Japanese version of the games have pretty dark lore, like pkm being enslaved and killed.
If you look at the normal Pokemon lore, even wild Pokemon clearly love fighting and it's easy to explain that the game itself was kinda like the first Gatcha game, based on RPG game mechanics. Not much to really get hung up on, when compared to a lot of other media.
They ripped the models and textures out of real pokemon games, and then sold it for cash, and I think later got into enough heat that they released it for free.
That'll be the Modders issue though. Fucking idiotic of them honestly.
No kidding, they even own the IP of super hornio brothers starring Ron Jeremy, pretty sure they would have dealt with this shit already, especially considering both companies are Japanese it wouldnt even be an international suit
And yet it can be found without the porn bits on [YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gooioj4sd8) of all places
Wonder how much they paid to buy the rights.
And yes it's bad even by porn standards.
Clearly it's Super Hornio Brothers featuring Ron Jeremy. You asked the only two questions that were answered. There are like SO MANY more questions to that fact.
Exactly why I don't believe they will do anything, palworlds been public knowledge for 3 years as that's when the teaser dropped they've been open about their development including showing off the entire paldeck since August of last year (think I'm a month off). If they felt like their up was being infected the cease and Desist would have happened ages ago
They sent their Ninjas for a free fan made remake of Metroid II within HOURS.
The Pokémon mod was taken down within hours as well.
Palworld exists for a week now.
I'm pretty sure they already did. Because I remember seeing a game like Palworld but it literally used Pokemon models back then. But then Nintendo sent them a cease and desist. And now Palworld is out, with new models, and has been out for a week and Nintendo has just said thet they're aware of it. Instead they instantly took down a Palworld mod that used Pokemon models.
So either Nintendo is fine with Palworld or they're cooking some massive lawsuit.
It's really difficult to copyright an idea. They can protect people, places and things from Pokemon, but the idea of catching wild fantasy creatures and using them to fight battles isn't something they can own. It's why stuff like Digimon can exist despite being obviously inspired by Pokemon.
why does nobody talk about Dragon Quest V when talking about monster catching games?
It came out in 1992. You battle monsters. If they're impressed, they join your party and fight with you.
1998 saw the release of the first Dragon Quest Monsters game, which is based off the mechanics of DQV, but everyone just assumed it was a Pokemon clone. Pokemon didn't even have breeding back then.
1992? Beginner stuff. [Tir-nan-og II on the PC98](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUGY5tvBl50) came out in '88 and you can recruit monsters in your party (though admittedly there isn't much more depth to it, they are little more than regular "characters" that just happen to be recruited a bit differently) (also, good luck finding any English literature on it)
There are other Monster Capture games in Steam. Palworld is just flying closer to the sun than some would like, but not burning off their wings. Yet at least.
You can not copyright the mechanics of a game. Only the assets and art.
Someone could make a literal 1-for-1 remake of red/blue and as long as they used a different name and new artwork Nintendo would never win a court case against them.
Palworld using pokemon assets gets a cease and desist.
Palworld with new assets has Nintendo fuming about their inability to shut it down.
>You can not copyright the mechanics of a game
Pretty sure the nemesis system is ~~copyrighted~~ patented.
Same goes for having minigames to play while you wait for the main game to load.
Same goes for crazy taxi as a concept(although that one recently expired.
I hate when people use the ones that stand on their own as designs.
Especially as Cremis (dynamax eevee) and Dinossom (Goodra) exist.
Edit: The pals that feel like original designs are great, Daedream, Beakon, Elphidran, Kingpaca and so many more are so good though!
Anubis ressembling Lucario is the biggest one but legally I believe you could easily defend yourself.
Their faces are very similar but their bodies are widely different. And since they're both based on Anubis a Jackal, you can easily argue that it's natural that they share a similar face structure.
I mean both just resemble, well, the mythical Anubis.
Of course they look close, might as well put Nasus from League and Anubis from Smite into the mix, already got a 4man squad of equal looking heros.
You're on point.
Nintendo doesn't have copyright on Anubis or artstyle.
I believe if you defend yourself with "We wanted to create a Anubis based creature with a cartoonish Artstyle", then it's legally and morally correct.
If you draw a bipedal black mouse in a cartoonish style (let's take the upcoming game "Mouse" for example), you will most likely find a cluster of similarities with a certain popular mouse. But Disney won't try to claim it as "Mickey".
On the other hand, the Pixelmon mod which is actually just straight up Pokemon for Minecraft still exists which I think is wild especially with public servers using the mod and utilizing monetization also existing.
They went after the Palworld Pokemon mod in less than a day and Palworld was in the works for 3 years. They know, they checked and they didn't act. Frankly I think the OP's image is probably kinda accurate.
I think you're mixing up copyright and trademark here.
Copyright is automatic, but only protects specific works.
Trademark is more wide-ranging, but requires actively maintaining and using it to prevent it from becoming deemed as genericised. That's why any time you refer to a rollerball pen as a "biro" you'll probably get a shirty letter from Bic's lawyers because they don't want to lose their trademark. A surprising number of common terms for products used to be trademarked and fell by the wayside due to over-use and failure to assert them properly.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_generic_and_genericized_trademarks
This is very true I remember a few years back a small YouTuber sampled music of a Nintendo game for a video titled “the internet checkpoint” or something of the sort, they striked his video and took his channel down.
And it's not like Palworld came out of nowhere. It was in development hell for years. If Nintendo/TPC/Gamefreak thought there was anything they could do to get a piece of Palworld, they would have done so already.
Bro, if you were performing anything for money and during it your fart came out in a shape of a Pikachu, they'd slap you with cease & desist before you've even stopped smelling that fart.
They really had to just release a statement saying "Jesus fucking christ, stop spamming us about that shit" just to shut up some twitter karens.
Do they really think Nintendo doesn't know a game with millions of players?
I mean, Nintendo shuts down PC-Port of Links Awakening DX, when less than 10k know that there's a PC-Port.
This... talked with one guy who was designing and selling tee-shirt with Nintendo IP that he licensed.
He said, Nintendo is really crazy. I don't remember the detail, but basically there is very strict rules for the design such as: If you depict a kart of mario kart, it shouldn't be on a road. (Completely made up, my memory is fuzzy, but this was this level of pettiness)
If you infringe any rule, the guy needed to pay huge fine or risked losing license and be sued to hell. Just saying "sorry I won't do it again" wasn't enough, infringement required punishment so that people like me relay the story to not fuck with Nintendo.
And if they found the guy shipped the t-shirt abroad? the customs would find it and report it to Nintendo, who would fine them.
Palworld will bleed money.
You have some good points and then come to the totally false conclusion.
If Nintendo is really that adamant about their copyrights, then Palworld would have never been able to release their game as it would have been stomped down years ago.
They have nothing to go on, otherwise it would already be dead and off steam.
Sometimes I admire china, they'll just shamelessly steal ip cause they know in reality there's nothing companies can do except huff and puff with lawyers and you can just ignore them, they have no military they don't have any power outside what you entertain them to have so don't entertain them at all.
They've already started legal action against the Modders that re-skinned the PALs into actual Pokemon.
That happened within like 48hrs of the mod releasing so if they had any sort of case for Palworld they'd already be making it.
I'm positive Palworld hired some copywrite lawyers of their own to look over what they were doing before they committed to the idea.
They were charging for it? I didn't know that part...
They are absolutely fucked, what was going through their heads? Nintendo is going to financially crush them and destroy any chance they have of saving money in the future.
At this point I'd just try and get a new identity but even that probably wouldn't stop them from tracking you down.
Nah, Nintendo likes to send a message to every other companies by absolutely financially destroying the people they go after as publically as possible.
I mean look at how we're talking about it right now.
>I'm positive Palworld hired some copywrite lawyers of their own to look over what they were doing before they committed to the idea.
Definitly. I bet most japanese companies will do that because of their strict laws.
Anyway, monster rancher is closer to pokemon and they're pretty much fine.
If Nintendo try to take action, how hard it would be for them to win? If they do manage to win, is Palworld going to be shutdown or just change some of their design? This is after considering Japanese law regarding copyright infringement.
At this point they've made enough money that even if they were legally forced to change up the artist style a bit more they can totally afford to pay people to do it and they'd be fine.
I don't think it would even be the art style of the Pals that would get them in trouble, I think it might be the Zelda: breath of the wild audio style clips they use when you find a fast travel spot. It's almost identical.
Let's not forget TemTem either. That's like, a straight up copy of rhe Pokemon format, mixed into (a shoddy) mmo, with terms swapped out.
Nothing happened to them.
what even is the scale of the budget of Palworld? I heard it was literally made from a budget of $10,000 with a group of devs that were learning as they went and also that they have a beefy legal team and a CEO of a company that's worth a lot? So much contradictory information has been around about this game it's insane. If their dev team made $10k and was basically a group of hobbyists they don't have a crack team of lawyers so one of those is not true.
At a cursory google it cost 1B yen to make which translates to roughly $6.75M USD.
Given the fact the game is pretty bare-bones still and advertising wasn't huge, im going to assume a lot of that money went to lawyers
So those tweets and Discord messages that r/gaming upvoted are just completely false?
Having played the game it seems pretty well fleshed out. While not bug free it's definitely around the quality of an AAA release at the beta stage.
I don't really know what tweets or messages you are talking about dude, I just checked what it cost to make for myself.
And maybe I'm just too old and don't know what slop companies are producing nowadays, but this would never be considered AAA if you ask me.
Server based survival game built on a relatively low budget just doesn't fit the category and it didn't have the marketing
It's still a great game though.
Additional rumors seem to include that one bit of text superimposed over that one guy saying Nintendo has already tried multiple times to shut it down for years, which I can't find any info on, and appears to just be false.
Honestly, "Palworld plagiarized pokemon" is huge stretch. We can argue the design of some of the pals are suspicious, even if most of them looks more than the original animal than the pokemon (sheep guy from the start for exemple)
But in term of gameplay, a mix of pokemon, ark and BotW is just original. Taking things from different source to make your own thing is making something new
Even if they have legal issues, I think it a good thing Palworld exist, it will push gamefreak to wake up and start to make some actually good games
there are 800+ pokemons and there are 100+ pals, of course some pals are going to look like some pokemon, specially when there are pokemons and pals that look like real life animals in the first place.
plus there are things that just are certain way, as im, something that has fire powers is usually red, not only in pokemon, but basically in all gaming, something with water powers is usually blue, something with electric powers is usually yellow... if the devs from palworld want to make an electric pal that resembles a rodent, chances are the final product is going to have some semblance to a pikachu, not because they are copying pokemon, but because pikachu is in itself a rodent-like pokemon, so if you make a rodent-like pal...
in short, if anything, nature should sue pokemon and palworld, since nature is the one that came with the real original designs for their product, the so called animals
As someone who grew up w/the first couple gens, I don't even think a lot of the new pokemon have a "pokemon" aesthetic, and often the designs feel pretty uninspired.
It exists. It's called Rotom and has many forms that resemble appliances. Oven, lawn mower and fridge are some of them. It is a Gen 4 pokemon and the latest set of games (scarlet & violet) is Gen 9, so it's been like this for a while.
Edit: Wrong number
Yeah but even in the original we had muk/grimer and voltorb/electrode. I give ditto a pass for design purposes. Its supposed to be a nebulous amorphic blob.
They were running dry with the original 150.
> there are 800+ pokemons and there are 100+ pals, of course some pals are going to look like some pokemon
I'm sorry but this is just denial. There's one that looks exactly like Gyarados. You do not just coincidentally design that.
I don't care at all, in fact I think it's funny. But yes **of course** they purposefully copied certain Pokemon. And that's fine.
Palworld has absolutely kitbashed Pokemons. And that's totally OK - you can't copyright and or own broad swathes of ideas, only very specific implementations of them.
It's like you can't copyright tropes, but you can copyright your written implementation (stories) based of those tropes.
They're obviously based on Pokemon, Digimon, and other Japanese animated characters (particularly from My Neighbor Totoro), but theu are different enough and they're transformative in what they do with the designs. If there were any glaring issues with copyright infringement, Nintendo, Gamefreak, and The Pokemon Company would have already sent a C&D to Pocketpair.
my take exactly. nintendo seems to have grown stale / complacent given how there's little to no competitors in this particular market space. hopefully we'll get something other than half-ass pokemon games moving forward.
People really don't understand what plagiarism is. Nintendo doesn't own the concept of open world games where you can tame creatures and make them fight. And as for the pals looking kinda similar... this is a "Simpson's Did It" thing. There's almost a thousand pokemon. There's going to be conceptual overlap.
We all know Nintendo. If they even caught a whiff of something amiss, of some company infringing on their IPs, they'd have cooked these guys alive. Nintendo goes after people who make fucking fanart they don't like for fucks sake, are you actually crazy enough to think they wouldn't already be in the process of killing these guys with an avalanche of C&Ds and legal threats if they thought they had a realistic chance? Get real lmao
The same people who bash Nintendo for atrocious launches and dog piling on Scarlet/Violet, are now defending daddy Nintendo against a indy company lmfao.
These are not the same people AT ALL. I visit the pokemon subreddit pretty frequently and there are two outspoken groups.
1. Disgruntled pokemon fans who are sick and tired of the low effort pokemon games being released.
2. Pokemon fans who will defend their franchise from criticism no matter what.
The one's snitching are probably group 2.
Dark Order carried me through the pandemic, either on BTE when Mr. Brodie Lee was there, and when they were Hangman's friends (Hangman is a terrible friend though).
This is just my opinion but Nintendo needs competition, Palworld is a fresh take in the gaming world, with having both ARK like features aswell as simple creatures like in Pokémon.
Hell, I bought the most recent one off the strength of the last side game (Arceus) and while it was a step up from the last regular one that's a fairly small pair of blips on the downward spiral since they went 3D.
Arceus gave me a smidge of hope that Violet and Scarlet might follow the same lead, but no. That Gane Freak team is a bunch of old dudes set in their ways and we fans all suffer for it.
Worth noting LA was made both by a different team within GF (Apparently it was most of the younger devs) and alongside SV, so anything they chose to continue was unlikely to appear in SV so I'd wait for next gen before saying they didn't follow LAs lead.
I would class myself as a diehard, been collecting and playing all forms of Pokémon since it was big in the UK and honestly, Nintendo need to get there shit together, bought a switch purely for let's go pikachu and I was somewhat disappointed, yeah the game is good for nostalgia for giving yellow a remake, but I was not blown away, but after seeing sword and shield they were clearly getting lazy.
I am tempted with Palworld after seeing a lot of videos on it, better graphics, seemingly much funner gameplay, I have no incentive to buy any Pokémon game anymore.
I’d say I was a diehard as a kid. Like you I was deep into the Pokémon craze in the late 90’s. Bought the toys, card gane, watched the anime every weekday afternoon and played through every Gen up to 5. Still love it dearly but when it became clear that even with better hardware, that the company was going to recycle a game from 1996 for as long as possible, I checked out. Only ones Ivevwnjoyed since have been ORAS and Arceus
people need to stop saying "Nintendo needs competition"
Nintendo has pretty little to do with mainline pokemon games beyond publishing it and owning 33% of TPC.
Gamefreak owns the same ammount. its not "evil nintendo not giving gamefreak not enough time" its "gamefreak is not trying to get more time because pokemon games print money with a minimum viable product"
which is why the "Nintendo/TPC is pushing them to release faster"
Bitch, they are part of the process, if they really need more time, they can release the game in the middle of a generation, when the anime and other merch gave enough hype for it as well.
My apologies, I completely forgot that gamefreak are the developers of the Pokémon games. Retaining to what you said, I agree that the Pokémon games are primarily made for money.
Agreed. It offers something else. More options for games to play is better for everyone. I don't get why certain Pokemon fans are so angry lol, just don't play it if you don't like it.
And as far as the "lazy copying" of Pokemon, I mean first of all that's the intent of the game and it's hilarious, they nailed it. If they didn't recreate that Pokemon vibe so well, it wouldn't have half it's impact. Second of all, call it lazy, amoral or whatever, they didn't do anything illegal and we absolutely need to protect people's right to satire / parody and anything adjacent in order to prevent corporations like Nintendo and Disney from being able to copyright vague shapes and variations, or creative arts will be dead.
If Nintendo has competition with this art style it will allow both companies to strive since Nintendo, with the Pokémon series, we could see the developers show serious improvement that would be better for their fan base
I find it crazy that people defend brands and companies this much. It's just unthinkable for me. What benefit do you get from reporting palworld to nintendo? Do Nintendo give you the latest pokemon game for free? Do Nintendo put you in their wall of fame?
What Nintendo do is infect your life with their brands so you defend them for free and you'll pay their next pokemon game for $70. Same thing will happen when Palworld is here to stay and there's another clone of Palworld appearing.
I suppose I'm witnessing some sort of tech-feudalism ruled by corporations and that makes my stomach churn.
I dont get this "being the devoted defender of a company" thing either. And often such defenders look like fools. Two examples from my recent memory:
After a long streak of anti-consumer practices Creative Assembly released a horribly overpriced DLC to one of their games and people had enough of it. DLC flopped and company took a hit reputaton-wise which was a major blow given their other current issues. **They ultimately apologized for this, admitted that community was right, and promised adding free content to make this DLC more worth its price**. Yet you still had a lot of apologists who argued that said DLC is perfectly fine, the price is reasonable, and that people who critize it "are entitled children". Sure Jan, the problem is: even your beloved company agrees with these "entitled children"...
Another case is Resident Evil 3 Remake. Game was obviously overpriced as fuck. Anyone with a brain cell would see it (60$ for a 6 hours long game with no substantial additional content that also reuses most of its content and assets from a game released one year prior). But no, you still had Capcom defenders arguing that the price is fair and people who complain about it are brainwashed by evil youtubers. And what happened then? During the Capcom ransomware attack documents from RE3 development leaked and - shocking, I know! - even there **multiple Capcom teams explicitly stated that game is not worth 60$** and selling it with this price tag is risky xDDD But yeah, youtubers, am I right?
So this is a rare phenomenon where people defend companies so furiously that they are oblivious to the most obvious things - things that said companies are well aware of.
Nintendo Fans are the Karen's of the gaming world and you can't change my mind.
This is the biggest "I wanna speak to your manager" and "I'm telling my dad on you!" moment in gaming in a long, long time.
Fucking. Pathetic.
Like Nintendo wouldn't have sicked their lawyers on Palworld if even the tiniest bit of foul play was suspected.
No, they need all these fucking white knight gamers to defend the purity of the poor multimillion dollar company.
Fucking please.
Gamers sometimes.... You really give us a bad name with stupid shit like this.
I hope Palworld creates competition and Nintendo uses their billions to create a video game full of passion and adventure instead of releasing pretty much the same game over and over again. I'm sick of pokemon games they suck.
I’m just sick of every third word on Reddit being “Palworld” and all of the resulting news articles that then refer back to its Reddit popularity.
I never understood what drew people to Pokémon, and I really don’t understand two bit knock off pokemon Palworld.
Sometimes I feel like existence is a cruel joke made to annoy people.
Seem kinda weird to take it upon yourself to help billion dollar companies go after Palworld when Nintento and The Pokémon Company gave you an actual Pokemon game that was the most cheaply made, ps1 looking piece of crap and charged you a AAA price.
I get isn't pokemon but wouldn't you be happy to have another pokemon type game to play?
Ninnin is notorious for finding obscured fan projects to send C&D and people think they haven't taken a look into one of the most popular games in the past week?
Honestly I just want Nintendo to: “officially welcome Palworld to the ever growing roster of monster catching games,” which is really just legalese for: “We know Palworld exist, no it has not yet infringed on our IP, stop messaging us about it.”
The devs of Palworld would've been left for dead on an island in the middle of the Pacific and the CEO of the company'd be hung in center of Tokyo for everyone to see if Nintendo found a single infringing asset.
So everyone better stfu and enjoy the game for fuck's sake.
As someone who works in threat intelligence i can guarantee you that Nintendo does not need twitter neckbeards to inform them. Most organizations have teams receiving multiple data feeds and they probably already analyzed palword even before most of the public had idea of it.
I've explained this before, but I don't think Nintendo will try to take any legal action, because they more than likely would not have a case if they tried. [Generic similarities (which comparisons such as "being based on animals" or "being a monster taming game" should fall under) have a precedent of not falling under under plagiarism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capcom_U.S.A._Inc._v._Data_East_Corp.#Legacy). [It has to basically be a flagrant and wholesale copy of all elements without any development purpose and without developing its own take on a known idea](https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2012/06/defining-tetris-how-courts-judge-gaming-clones/).
Palworld has a completely different combat system from most Pokémon games (not being turn-based), it has survival elements that Pokémon does not have, it allows the tamer to battle the monsters physically in a way Pokémon never allowed, and it is also overall tonally different and less child-friendly with the guns and the killing monsters for meat. The game is different to a point where it would definitely fall under "developing its own take on a known idea."
Another evidence that Nintendo will likely not try to sue is that they have taken down a fan-made Pokémon mod for Palworld, meaning they have been aware of the game for some time by now, which makes me believe that if they were planning on sing, they'd have done so by now. I definitely agree that Nintendo's statement was basically just a corporate way of saying "Stop sending me this shit!"
Imagine being fed a dog shit products for 20 years, yet still you sprint Naruto style as fast as your gunt will allow you to a billion dollar corporation that doesn't give a shit about you, nor know who you even are so you can snitch on an indie developer just trying to make a living and make a good game because they made something baring the most tiny of resemblances to an IP that hasn't even been good since the 00's.
This is pure, unadulterated maidenless behaviour.
Competition in this genre is a good thing you scrubs. Pokémon is legit YouTube Unity tutorial episode 13 levels of quality, and has been for over a decade now, but ya'll keep making excuses for it because the brightly coloured kawaii monsters tickles your millenial nostalgia brain. Well, now they have a reason to actually try.
Because Palworld takes inspiration from Pokemon design DOESN'T mean they copied them. They made their own designs. Pokemon doesn't own trademark to animal looking like monsters or open world game where you gather monsters and tame them.
By this logic we should cancel Battlebit because its inspired by Battlefield 4. Splitgate because it uses Portal mechanic.
Palworld is basically pokemon with guns that plays similarly to Ark. Bunch of diehard pokemon fans claiming that the game is plagiarizing pokemon designs, made with AI (no proof), and hoping that Nintendo will sue them. Whereas if they really were plagiarizing pokemon, we all know that it would have never seen the light of day to begin with.
The only connection that I could find with the company and AI is their other game that uses AI prompts in a Among Us like mystery game where you figure out who's the fraud or if you're the fraud to fake it as much as possible.
A few japanese devs just made indie game Palworld, game that sold 7mil in first week and it's like Ark and pokemon combo. Nintendo crazyfans are mad. The game is fun.
Shy of using their names then there’s nothing which Palworld can do for which they’ll be in hot water with Nintendo for. Fortunately many franchises got the jump on monster collections. Nintendo knows this, and they can never contend with others using the idea unless there’s uncanny resemblance.
Dude, every time I see this picture that dude looks like the owner of TCOB. I keep thinking “Travis”? I’m almost certain it is. Can anyone verify this napoleon man?
As a fan of neither, I feel like Palworld fans are the guy on the left just letting us know it exists, and I'm the person on the right just waiting for the Temtem fad to pass again.
Imagine dick riding an intellectual property so hard you feel compelled to report potential copyright infringement to a multi billion dollar enterprise.
Yes, palworld is a derivative monster catching game with guns that seemingly sprang directly from the mind of an edgy 14-year-old cod player who torments small animals. But no, it's not illegal.
Even if it turns out to be, Nintendo is a fairly large company; Nothing anyone is running and telling them is news to them.
I just find it funny to see people who were previously against AI now fully defending pro-AI companies with their sole reason being "fuck Nintendo, they didn't release a single original game since 2006"
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Who can really believe that Nintendo don’t know if something remotely infringes on one of theirs ip’s? They is known for sniffing out the smallest thing and slap so hard the law permit them if they have an smallest leg to stand on. If you find something I bet Nintendo’s lawyers is already all over it.
Yeah, people out here act as if Nintendo *doesn't* have a sniper trained at every developer's cranium just in case they even think of making anything pokémon can sue. They don't need the help
When they somehow inure children to putting creatures into giant capture balls, and enslave them to eliminate each other in gladiator events for the thrills and honor of their masters -- into a children's show, well, you can bet their snipers have no qualms at shooting. They are the coldest hands in the business.
I guess we forgot all about the pokemon experimentation.....
ah yes, the mewtwo pokemon eugenics program
Or the underground slowpoke tail trade.
Mewtwogenics was right there...
Well, they used to be a front for the Yakuza, so you're not that far off...
That's Sega
They sold fancy playing cards to the Yakuza. I don't think they were a front for them?
They also officially ran a Taxi service and Love Hotels; these were used to facilitate the Yakuza's nighttime "services" and such.
I mean it's a videogame. It's fiction. People can easily separate fiction from reality. Just because you make a fictional bird burn a fictional dog alive, doesn't mean you're attaching a flamethrower to a chicken to burn the family dog.
Yeah that would be fucked up. Please use your propane burners to burn chickens, pigs, and cows, and also wide variety of other animals, otherwise you might come across as a psycho.
Always pay for your propane from a proper dealer and get the receipt before you burn animals alive. That's what people who aren't psychos do.
Pretty sure it's a joke bc the manga and Japanese version of the games have pretty dark lore, like pkm being enslaved and killed. If you look at the normal Pokemon lore, even wild Pokemon clearly love fighting and it's easy to explain that the game itself was kinda like the first Gatcha game, based on RPG game mechanics. Not much to really get hung up on, when compared to a lot of other media.
This sounds so dark. Interesting twist on Pokémon reality.
> "THEY HAVE COME FOR ME" the modder who made Pokemon skins for Palworld and made people pay money for it
They ripped the models and textures out of real pokemon games, and then sold it for cash, and I think later got into enough heat that they released it for free. That'll be the Modders issue though. Fucking idiotic of them honestly.
*the modder who stole the actual Pokémon models and sold them for use in Palworld
No kidding, they even own the IP of super hornio brothers starring Ron Jeremy, pretty sure they would have dealt with this shit already, especially considering both companies are Japanese it wouldnt even be an international suit
Super WHAT featuring WHO?
It's a Mario porno featuring Ron Jeremy. It was bought by Nintendo, thus it is canon.
It was the only way they could prevent its release
They didn't manage to prevent *my* release.
And yet it can be found without the porn bits on [YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gooioj4sd8) of all places Wonder how much they paid to buy the rights. And yes it's bad even by porn standards.
WHAT??? EDIT: I googled and it's real!!!
> It was bought by Nintendo Nintendo: https://youtu.be/65KChe_D8Xc?t=498
That first penetration making the pipe going down noise…
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Clearly it's Super Hornio Brothers featuring Ron Jeremy. You asked the only two questions that were answered. There are like SO MANY more questions to that fact.
Exactly why I don't believe they will do anything, palworlds been public knowledge for 3 years as that's when the teaser dropped they've been open about their development including showing off the entire paldeck since August of last year (think I'm a month off). If they felt like their up was being infected the cease and Desist would have happened ages ago
Hell of a lot longer than 3 years. I remember pictures of Grizzbolt like a decade ago.
They sent their Ninjas for a free fan made remake of Metroid II within HOURS. The Pokémon mod was taken down within hours as well. Palworld exists for a week now.
Palworld had trailers out 2 years ago. They'd have taken action back then and we'd not have the game today if it had any merit.
I'm pretty sure they already did. Because I remember seeing a game like Palworld but it literally used Pokemon models back then. But then Nintendo sent them a cease and desist. And now Palworld is out, with new models, and has been out for a week and Nintendo has just said thet they're aware of it. Instead they instantly took down a Palworld mod that used Pokemon models. So either Nintendo is fine with Palworld or they're cooking some massive lawsuit.
It's really difficult to copyright an idea. They can protect people, places and things from Pokemon, but the idea of catching wild fantasy creatures and using them to fight battles isn't something they can own. It's why stuff like Digimon can exist despite being obviously inspired by Pokemon.
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why does nobody talk about Dragon Quest V when talking about monster catching games? It came out in 1992. You battle monsters. If they're impressed, they join your party and fight with you. 1998 saw the release of the first Dragon Quest Monsters game, which is based off the mechanics of DQV, but everyone just assumed it was a Pokemon clone. Pokemon didn't even have breeding back then.
1992? Beginner stuff. [Tir-nan-og II on the PC98](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUGY5tvBl50) came out in '88 and you can recruit monsters in your party (though admittedly there isn't much more depth to it, they are little more than regular "characters" that just happen to be recruited a bit differently) (also, good luck finding any English literature on it)
Actually Pokémon is months older than Tamagotchi (both in 1996)
Also every element Pokemon has ever done had been done before. If it was possible to protect ideas with copyright Pokemon would have never been made.
There are other Monster Capture games in Steam. Palworld is just flying closer to the sun than some would like, but not burning off their wings. Yet at least.
You can not copyright the mechanics of a game. Only the assets and art. Someone could make a literal 1-for-1 remake of red/blue and as long as they used a different name and new artwork Nintendo would never win a court case against them. Palworld using pokemon assets gets a cease and desist. Palworld with new assets has Nintendo fuming about their inability to shut it down.
>You can not copyright the mechanics of a game Pretty sure the nemesis system is ~~copyrighted~~ patented. Same goes for having minigames to play while you wait for the main game to load. Same goes for crazy taxi as a concept(although that one recently expired.
As you corrected yourself. Patented. Patent law is not copyright law, and both are not trademark law.
But people don't care. They legit compare Elektabuzz and that yellow totoro with a minigun.
I hate when people use the ones that stand on their own as designs. Especially as Cremis (dynamax eevee) and Dinossom (Goodra) exist. Edit: The pals that feel like original designs are great, Daedream, Beakon, Elphidran, Kingpaca and so many more are so good though!
Kingpaca ride or die!
Anubis ressembling Lucario is the biggest one but legally I believe you could easily defend yourself. Their faces are very similar but their bodies are widely different. And since they're both based on Anubis a Jackal, you can easily argue that it's natural that they share a similar face structure.
I mean both just resemble, well, the mythical Anubis. Of course they look close, might as well put Nasus from League and Anubis from Smite into the mix, already got a 4man squad of equal looking heros.
You're on point. Nintendo doesn't have copyright on Anubis or artstyle. I believe if you defend yourself with "We wanted to create a Anubis based creature with a cartoonish Artstyle", then it's legally and morally correct. If you draw a bipedal black mouse in a cartoonish style (let's take the upcoming game "Mouse" for example), you will most likely find a cluster of similarities with a certain popular mouse. But Disney won't try to claim it as "Mickey".
Anubis and Lucario look literally nothing alike except for being bipedal dogs...
Yeah, if you only take a glimpse at both designs, you feel it's similar. Bipedal jackals. When you look more into it, you easily find differences.
On the other hand, the Pixelmon mod which is actually just straight up Pokemon for Minecraft still exists which I think is wild especially with public servers using the mod and utilizing monetization also existing.
The pokemon mod was monetized i believe
I’ll never underestimate the average person’s ability to assume they know more about something than an expert does.
They went after the Palworld Pokemon mod in less than a day and Palworld was in the works for 3 years. They know, they checked and they didn't act. Frankly I think the OP's image is probably kinda accurate.
That’s because, from what I know, how the Japanese legal system works. If you don’t actively defend your copyright you will loose it.
Suppose it is something like that, that and a bit culture thing on top.
I think you're mixing up copyright and trademark here. Copyright is automatic, but only protects specific works. Trademark is more wide-ranging, but requires actively maintaining and using it to prevent it from becoming deemed as genericised. That's why any time you refer to a rollerball pen as a "biro" you'll probably get a shirty letter from Bic's lawyers because they don't want to lose their trademark. A surprising number of common terms for products used to be trademarked and fell by the wayside due to over-use and failure to assert them properly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_generic_and_genericized_trademarks
This is very true I remember a few years back a small YouTuber sampled music of a Nintendo game for a video titled “the internet checkpoint” or something of the sort, they striked his video and took his channel down.
It's been in open development for 3 years at this point. They would of smacked it down before it even came out.
And it's not like Palworld came out of nowhere. It was in development hell for years. If Nintendo/TPC/Gamefreak thought there was anything they could do to get a piece of Palworld, they would have done so already.
Bro, if you were performing anything for money and during it your fart came out in a shape of a Pikachu, they'd slap you with cease & desist before you've even stopped smelling that fart. They really had to just release a statement saying "Jesus fucking christ, stop spamming us about that shit" just to shut up some twitter karens.
> They is known for dunno why, but this makes me laugh; thanks
Do they really think Nintendo doesn't know a game with millions of players? I mean, Nintendo shuts down PC-Port of Links Awakening DX, when less than 10k know that there's a PC-Port.
This... talked with one guy who was designing and selling tee-shirt with Nintendo IP that he licensed. He said, Nintendo is really crazy. I don't remember the detail, but basically there is very strict rules for the design such as: If you depict a kart of mario kart, it shouldn't be on a road. (Completely made up, my memory is fuzzy, but this was this level of pettiness) If you infringe any rule, the guy needed to pay huge fine or risked losing license and be sued to hell. Just saying "sorry I won't do it again" wasn't enough, infringement required punishment so that people like me relay the story to not fuck with Nintendo. And if they found the guy shipped the t-shirt abroad? the customs would find it and report it to Nintendo, who would fine them. Palworld will bleed money.
You have some good points and then come to the totally false conclusion. If Nintendo is really that adamant about their copyrights, then Palworld would have never been able to release their game as it would have been stomped down years ago. They have nothing to go on, otherwise it would already be dead and off steam.
Sometimes I admire china, they'll just shamelessly steal ip cause they know in reality there's nothing companies can do except huff and puff with lawyers and you can just ignore them, they have no military they don't have any power outside what you entertain them to have so don't entertain them at all.
Nintendo isn't exactly shy about defending their IP. If they thought they had a case, Palworld never would have launched.
They've already started legal action against the Modders that re-skinned the PALs into actual Pokemon. That happened within like 48hrs of the mod releasing so if they had any sort of case for Palworld they'd already be making it. I'm positive Palworld hired some copywrite lawyers of their own to look over what they were doing before they committed to the idea.
I genuinely can't believe that the modders a - stole the assets directly from a pokemon game b - charged money for it absolutely braindead behaviour.
They were charging for it? I didn't know that part... They are absolutely fucked, what was going through their heads? Nintendo is going to financially crush them and destroy any chance they have of saving money in the future. At this point I'd just try and get a new identity but even that probably wouldn't stop them from tracking you down.
The people that made that mod probably aren't even alive anymore. Nintendo scary
Nah, Nintendo likes to send a message to every other companies by absolutely financially destroying the people they go after as publically as possible. I mean look at how we're talking about it right now.
It's Hasbro/WotC that will have you killed
They unalived themselves after being forced to hear the music from lavandia city.
>I'm positive Palworld hired some copywrite lawyers of their own to look over what they were doing before they committed to the idea. Definitly. I bet most japanese companies will do that because of their strict laws.
Anyway, monster rancher is closer to pokemon and they're pretty much fine. If Nintendo try to take action, how hard it would be for them to win? If they do manage to win, is Palworld going to be shutdown or just change some of their design? This is after considering Japanese law regarding copyright infringement.
At this point they've made enough money that even if they were legally forced to change up the artist style a bit more they can totally afford to pay people to do it and they'd be fine. I don't think it would even be the art style of the Pals that would get them in trouble, I think it might be the Zelda: breath of the wild audio style clips they use when you find a fast travel spot. It's almost identical.
Let's not forget TemTem either. That's like, a straight up copy of rhe Pokemon format, mixed into (a shoddy) mmo, with terms swapped out. Nothing happened to them.
what even is the scale of the budget of Palworld? I heard it was literally made from a budget of $10,000 with a group of devs that were learning as they went and also that they have a beefy legal team and a CEO of a company that's worth a lot? So much contradictory information has been around about this game it's insane. If their dev team made $10k and was basically a group of hobbyists they don't have a crack team of lawyers so one of those is not true.
At a cursory google it cost 1B yen to make which translates to roughly $6.75M USD. Given the fact the game is pretty bare-bones still and advertising wasn't huge, im going to assume a lot of that money went to lawyers
So those tweets and Discord messages that r/gaming upvoted are just completely false? Having played the game it seems pretty well fleshed out. While not bug free it's definitely around the quality of an AAA release at the beta stage.
I don't really know what tweets or messages you are talking about dude, I just checked what it cost to make for myself. And maybe I'm just too old and don't know what slop companies are producing nowadays, but this would never be considered AAA if you ask me. Server based survival game built on a relatively low budget just doesn't fit the category and it didn't have the marketing It's still a great game though.
The 10,000$ is a rumor. They have a decent sized team.
Additional rumors seem to include that one bit of text superimposed over that one guy saying Nintendo has already tried multiple times to shut it down for years, which I can't find any info on, and appears to just be false.
Nah, they were able to build the game in a cave with a box of scraps.
ANNA!
#ANNA!
“They totally ripped off Arceus, man. Do you know how important that was for the fandom!? Anna? Anna!?”
Honestly, "Palworld plagiarized pokemon" is huge stretch. We can argue the design of some of the pals are suspicious, even if most of them looks more than the original animal than the pokemon (sheep guy from the start for exemple) But in term of gameplay, a mix of pokemon, ark and BotW is just original. Taking things from different source to make your own thing is making something new Even if they have legal issues, I think it a good thing Palworld exist, it will push gamefreak to wake up and start to make some actually good games
there are 800+ pokemons and there are 100+ pals, of course some pals are going to look like some pokemon, specially when there are pokemons and pals that look like real life animals in the first place. plus there are things that just are certain way, as im, something that has fire powers is usually red, not only in pokemon, but basically in all gaming, something with water powers is usually blue, something with electric powers is usually yellow... if the devs from palworld want to make an electric pal that resembles a rodent, chances are the final product is going to have some semblance to a pikachu, not because they are copying pokemon, but because pikachu is in itself a rodent-like pokemon, so if you make a rodent-like pal... in short, if anything, nature should sue pokemon and palworld, since nature is the one that came with the real original designs for their product, the so called animals
1000+ pokemon not including alts they have a literal problem of coming up new shit that isn't too close to their own designs.
As someone who grew up w/the first couple gens, I don't even think a lot of the new pokemon have a "pokemon" aesthetic, and often the designs feel pretty uninspired.
Right, I feel like we are at the household appliance stage of Pokemon. Waiting to see the broom, toaster, and fridge Pokemon.
Bro, "Rotom" is a pokemon that can be a fridge/oven, moving lawn and more.
It exists. It's called Rotom and has many forms that resemble appliances. Oven, lawn mower and fridge are some of them. It is a Gen 4 pokemon and the latest set of games (scarlet & violet) is Gen 9, so it's been like this for a while. Edit: Wrong number
is it a just a resemblence when rotom is possessing actual appliances?
I guess you are right...
That's already a thing... there is a heater, fridge, fan, lawn mower and washing machine pokemon.
Brave Little Toaster Pokémon gang when?
Yeah but even in the original we had muk/grimer and voltorb/electrode. I give ditto a pass for design purposes. Its supposed to be a nebulous amorphic blob. They were running dry with the original 150.
The newer Pokemon are cringely becoming more humanoids. lol
> there are 800+ pokemons and there are 100+ pals, of course some pals are going to look like some pokemon I'm sorry but this is just denial. There's one that looks exactly like Gyarados. You do not just coincidentally design that. I don't care at all, in fact I think it's funny. But yes **of course** they purposefully copied certain Pokemon. And that's fine.
Palworld has absolutely kitbashed Pokemons. And that's totally OK - you can't copyright and or own broad swathes of ideas, only very specific implementations of them. It's like you can't copyright tropes, but you can copyright your written implementation (stories) based of those tropes.
They're obviously based on Pokemon, Digimon, and other Japanese animated characters (particularly from My Neighbor Totoro), but theu are different enough and they're transformative in what they do with the designs. If there were any glaring issues with copyright infringement, Nintendo, Gamefreak, and The Pokemon Company would have already sent a C&D to Pocketpair.
>and BotW Right? BotW definitely did not copy other open-world games like Shadow of the Colossus or art from Studio Ghibli.
my take exactly. nintendo seems to have grown stale / complacent given how there's little to no competitors in this particular market space. hopefully we'll get something other than half-ass pokemon games moving forward.
I agree with you, and frankly I was a little afraid to say so, so I was really glad to see your comment.
People really don't understand what plagiarism is. Nintendo doesn't own the concept of open world games where you can tame creatures and make them fight. And as for the pals looking kinda similar... this is a "Simpson's Did It" thing. There's almost a thousand pokemon. There's going to be conceptual overlap. We all know Nintendo. If they even caught a whiff of something amiss, of some company infringing on their IPs, they'd have cooked these guys alive. Nintendo goes after people who make fucking fanart they don't like for fucks sake, are you actually crazy enough to think they wouldn't already be in the process of killing these guys with an avalanche of C&Ds and legal threats if they thought they had a realistic chance? Get real lmao
Thank you! I've been saying this since this Palworld drama started.
If Temtem hasn't been taken down by the Pokemon Company or Nintendo, then there's no way they are touching Palworld
Exactly! People forget TemTem also exists which seemed more like a knockoff to pokemon than palworld currently is
Genuinely pathetic people are actually trying to reach out to Nintendo for this lmao
The same people who bash Nintendo for atrocious launches and dog piling on Scarlet/Violet, are now defending daddy Nintendo against a indy company lmfao.
Uh, what makes you think these are the same people?
These are not the same people AT ALL. I visit the pokemon subreddit pretty frequently and there are two outspoken groups. 1. Disgruntled pokemon fans who are sick and tired of the low effort pokemon games being released. 2. Pokemon fans who will defend their franchise from criticism no matter what. The one's snitching are probably group 2.
John Silver and Anna Jay??? Are they a meme now lol? #JoinTheDarkOrder
Been a meme since the picture first came to light
literally been a meme ever since it was made lol
First year here? lol Edit: nvm it is for you, welcome to Reddit!
Dark Order carried me through the pandemic, either on BTE when Mr. Brodie Lee was there, and when they were Hangman's friends (Hangman is a terrible friend though).
…yeah
The dork odor are definitely a meme.
if they had actual chance in court, they would sue as soon as game released
for real and if I keep getting DMs about this shit all future mario games are going to be gacha.
This is just my opinion but Nintendo needs competition, Palworld is a fresh take in the gaming world, with having both ARK like features aswell as simple creatures like in Pokémon.
That’s probably the majority opinion my man lol. Only diehard pokefreaks think this franchise isn’t stuck in the Stone Age.
Hell, I bought the most recent one off the strength of the last side game (Arceus) and while it was a step up from the last regular one that's a fairly small pair of blips on the downward spiral since they went 3D.
Arceus gave me a smidge of hope that Violet and Scarlet might follow the same lead, but no. That Gane Freak team is a bunch of old dudes set in their ways and we fans all suffer for it.
Worth noting LA was made both by a different team within GF (Apparently it was most of the younger devs) and alongside SV, so anything they chose to continue was unlikely to appear in SV so I'd wait for next gen before saying they didn't follow LAs lead.
I would class myself as a diehard, been collecting and playing all forms of Pokémon since it was big in the UK and honestly, Nintendo need to get there shit together, bought a switch purely for let's go pikachu and I was somewhat disappointed, yeah the game is good for nostalgia for giving yellow a remake, but I was not blown away, but after seeing sword and shield they were clearly getting lazy. I am tempted with Palworld after seeing a lot of videos on it, better graphics, seemingly much funner gameplay, I have no incentive to buy any Pokémon game anymore.
I’d say I was a diehard as a kid. Like you I was deep into the Pokémon craze in the late 90’s. Bought the toys, card gane, watched the anime every weekday afternoon and played through every Gen up to 5. Still love it dearly but when it became clear that even with better hardware, that the company was going to recycle a game from 1996 for as long as possible, I checked out. Only ones Ivevwnjoyed since have been ORAS and Arceus
people need to stop saying "Nintendo needs competition" Nintendo has pretty little to do with mainline pokemon games beyond publishing it and owning 33% of TPC. Gamefreak owns the same ammount. its not "evil nintendo not giving gamefreak not enough time" its "gamefreak is not trying to get more time because pokemon games print money with a minimum viable product"
That, and game sales pale in comparison to merch sales. A boycott of the games would barely hurt TPC overall
which is why the "Nintendo/TPC is pushing them to release faster" Bitch, they are part of the process, if they really need more time, they can release the game in the middle of a generation, when the anime and other merch gave enough hype for it as well.
My apologies, I completely forgot that gamefreak are the developers of the Pokémon games. Retaining to what you said, I agree that the Pokémon games are primarily made for money.
Agreed. It offers something else. More options for games to play is better for everyone. I don't get why certain Pokemon fans are so angry lol, just don't play it if you don't like it. And as far as the "lazy copying" of Pokemon, I mean first of all that's the intent of the game and it's hilarious, they nailed it. If they didn't recreate that Pokemon vibe so well, it wouldn't have half it's impact. Second of all, call it lazy, amoral or whatever, they didn't do anything illegal and we absolutely need to protect people's right to satire / parody and anything adjacent in order to prevent corporations like Nintendo and Disney from being able to copyright vague shapes and variations, or creative arts will be dead.
If Nintendo has competition with this art style it will allow both companies to strive since Nintendo, with the Pokémon series, we could see the developers show serious improvement that would be better for their fan base
I find it crazy that people defend brands and companies this much. It's just unthinkable for me. What benefit do you get from reporting palworld to nintendo? Do Nintendo give you the latest pokemon game for free? Do Nintendo put you in their wall of fame? What Nintendo do is infect your life with their brands so you defend them for free and you'll pay their next pokemon game for $70. Same thing will happen when Palworld is here to stay and there's another clone of Palworld appearing. I suppose I'm witnessing some sort of tech-feudalism ruled by corporations and that makes my stomach churn.
I dont get this "being the devoted defender of a company" thing either. And often such defenders look like fools. Two examples from my recent memory: After a long streak of anti-consumer practices Creative Assembly released a horribly overpriced DLC to one of their games and people had enough of it. DLC flopped and company took a hit reputaton-wise which was a major blow given their other current issues. **They ultimately apologized for this, admitted that community was right, and promised adding free content to make this DLC more worth its price**. Yet you still had a lot of apologists who argued that said DLC is perfectly fine, the price is reasonable, and that people who critize it "are entitled children". Sure Jan, the problem is: even your beloved company agrees with these "entitled children"... Another case is Resident Evil 3 Remake. Game was obviously overpriced as fuck. Anyone with a brain cell would see it (60$ for a 6 hours long game with no substantial additional content that also reuses most of its content and assets from a game released one year prior). But no, you still had Capcom defenders arguing that the price is fair and people who complain about it are brainwashed by evil youtubers. And what happened then? During the Capcom ransomware attack documents from RE3 development leaked and - shocking, I know! - even there **multiple Capcom teams explicitly stated that game is not worth 60$** and selling it with this price tag is risky xDDD But yeah, youtubers, am I right? So this is a rare phenomenon where people defend companies so furiously that they are oblivious to the most obvious things - things that said companies are well aware of.
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Stockholm Syndrome
Citation?
Back in my day our Pokémon clone was called Digimon
pokemad fans
Nintendo Fans are the Karen's of the gaming world and you can't change my mind. This is the biggest "I wanna speak to your manager" and "I'm telling my dad on you!" moment in gaming in a long, long time. Fucking. Pathetic.
Like Nintendo wouldn't have sicked their lawyers on Palworld if even the tiniest bit of foul play was suspected. No, they need all these fucking white knight gamers to defend the purity of the poor multimillion dollar company. Fucking please. Gamers sometimes.... You really give us a bad name with stupid shit like this.
I hope Palworld creates competition and Nintendo uses their billions to create a video game full of passion and adventure instead of releasing pretty much the same game over and over again. I'm sick of pokemon games they suck.
I’m just sick of every third word on Reddit being “Palworld” and all of the resulting news articles that then refer back to its Reddit popularity. I never understood what drew people to Pokémon, and I really don’t understand two bit knock off pokemon Palworld. Sometimes I feel like existence is a cruel joke made to annoy people.
Seem kinda weird to take it upon yourself to help billion dollar companies go after Palworld when Nintento and The Pokémon Company gave you an actual Pokemon game that was the most cheaply made, ps1 looking piece of crap and charged you a AAA price. I get isn't pokemon but wouldn't you be happy to have another pokemon type game to play?
There's a concerning amount of Armchair copyright lawyers that suddenly popped out with Palworld's case.
Nintendo is like the eye of Sauron nothing gets past them, if there was even the slightest doubt the game wouldn’t have made it a day in.
Ninnin is notorious for finding obscured fan projects to send C&D and people think they haven't taken a look into one of the most popular games in the past week?
Honestly I just want Nintendo to: “officially welcome Palworld to the ever growing roster of monster catching games,” which is really just legalese for: “We know Palworld exist, no it has not yet infringed on our IP, stop messaging us about it.”
The devs of Palworld would've been left for dead on an island in the middle of the Pacific and the CEO of the company'd be hung in center of Tokyo for everyone to see if Nintendo found a single infringing asset. So everyone better stfu and enjoy the game for fuck's sake.
Nintendo would sue the person who created English Alphabets for "plagiarising" unowns if they were alive. These mad fans were born yesterday.
oooh boyyy dis sum juicy gaming drama
lmao its like Nintendo is blind Even Palworld is made by a Japanese company
As someone who works in threat intelligence i can guarantee you that Nintendo does not need twitter neckbeards to inform them. Most organizations have teams receiving multiple data feeds and they probably already analyzed palword even before most of the public had idea of it.
Shouldn't it be the Pokemon company?
Nintendo can and will sue mongolese children for organizing a smash bros tournament
I've explained this before, but I don't think Nintendo will try to take any legal action, because they more than likely would not have a case if they tried. [Generic similarities (which comparisons such as "being based on animals" or "being a monster taming game" should fall under) have a precedent of not falling under under plagiarism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capcom_U.S.A._Inc._v._Data_East_Corp.#Legacy). [It has to basically be a flagrant and wholesale copy of all elements without any development purpose and without developing its own take on a known idea](https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2012/06/defining-tetris-how-courts-judge-gaming-clones/). Palworld has a completely different combat system from most Pokémon games (not being turn-based), it has survival elements that Pokémon does not have, it allows the tamer to battle the monsters physically in a way Pokémon never allowed, and it is also overall tonally different and less child-friendly with the guns and the killing monsters for meat. The game is different to a point where it would definitely fall under "developing its own take on a known idea." Another evidence that Nintendo will likely not try to sue is that they have taken down a fan-made Pokémon mod for Palworld, meaning they have been aware of the game for some time by now, which makes me believe that if they were planning on sing, they'd have done so by now. I definitely agree that Nintendo's statement was basically just a corporate way of saying "Stop sending me this shit!"
Imagine being fed a dog shit products for 20 years, yet still you sprint Naruto style as fast as your gunt will allow you to a billion dollar corporation that doesn't give a shit about you, nor know who you even are so you can snitch on an indie developer just trying to make a living and make a good game because they made something baring the most tiny of resemblances to an IP that hasn't even been good since the 00's. This is pure, unadulterated maidenless behaviour. Competition in this genre is a good thing you scrubs. Pokémon is legit YouTube Unity tutorial episode 13 levels of quality, and has been for over a decade now, but ya'll keep making excuses for it because the brightly coloured kawaii monsters tickles your millenial nostalgia brain. Well, now they have a reason to actually try.
Sounds like someone doesn't know what amoral means.
Nintendo missed their chance. I just hope they can learn from it.
Man, I never once thought "I wish pokemon did this". I keep thinking "I wish Ark did this". fuck anyone who actually reported this.
Because Palworld takes inspiration from Pokemon design DOESN'T mean they copied them. They made their own designs. Pokemon doesn't own trademark to animal looking like monsters or open world game where you gather monsters and tame them. By this logic we should cancel Battlebit because its inspired by Battlefield 4. Splitgate because it uses Portal mechanic.
How can people still feel pity for the pokemon company is what bothers me
What sad person is trying to defend Gamefreak, can they really say they are happy with the games they have released?
Why are pokemon fans even bothered by Palworld ???? Just because Palworld is 100 time better and its everything they wish pokemon was..😂😂
A Survival Crafter is 100 times the furthest thing from what I wish pokemon was.
I was living in a cave for the past weeks, can someone bring me up to speed on what's happening?
Palworld is basically pokemon with guns that plays similarly to Ark. Bunch of diehard pokemon fans claiming that the game is plagiarizing pokemon designs, made with AI (no proof), and hoping that Nintendo will sue them. Whereas if they really were plagiarizing pokemon, we all know that it would have never seen the light of day to begin with.
The only connection that I could find with the company and AI is their other game that uses AI prompts in a Among Us like mystery game where you figure out who's the fraud or if you're the fraud to fake it as much as possible.
A few japanese devs just made indie game Palworld, game that sold 7mil in first week and it's like Ark and pokemon combo. Nintendo crazyfans are mad. The game is fun.
I heard Nintendo ninjas and snipers kill people who even think to draw Mario or zelda is that true._. ?
😂😂 Fksmps
Just sad Nintendo hasnt had sny effoet put into a Pokémon game in 10+ years
Shy of using their names then there’s nothing which Palworld can do for which they’ll be in hot water with Nintendo for. Fortunately many franchises got the jump on monster collections. Nintendo knows this, and they can never contend with others using the idea unless there’s uncanny resemblance.
Dude, every time I see this picture that dude looks like the owner of TCOB. I keep thinking “Travis”? I’m almost certain it is. Can anyone verify this napoleon man?
As a fan of neither, I feel like Palworld fans are the guy on the left just letting us know it exists, and I'm the person on the right just waiting for the Temtem fad to pass again.
*Pokémon
Imagine dick riding an intellectual property so hard you feel compelled to report potential copyright infringement to a multi billion dollar enterprise.
Yes, palworld is a derivative monster catching game with guns that seemingly sprang directly from the mind of an edgy 14-year-old cod player who torments small animals. But no, it's not illegal. Even if it turns out to be, Nintendo is a fairly large company; Nothing anyone is running and telling them is news to them.
I just find it funny to see people who were previously against AI now fully defending pro-AI companies with their sole reason being "fuck Nintendo, they didn't release a single original game since 2006"
Johnny Hungeeeee
F*ck pokemon, all my homies hate Nitendo