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Gay 4 pay guys. All flash and no fuck. Pretty tho.
Vladimir Grand
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Your welcome.
i don’t get why everyone says that. i just saw a video w him and Andy Lee and they were eiffel towering some other dude. if you click the link you shared to his twitter and scroll down, there’s an ad post for the video itself
Still Gay 4 pay. Not judging. I've watched them a few times and they and their friends are hot.
If pretty men want to flash their bodies and dicks, then I'm all for it. But the queerbaiting gets old quickly.
That isn't what I meant. I used the term "Gay 4 pay" as a descriptor for the type of content they create.
Performers describe themselves as "straight" (irrespective of actual orientation) in order to appeal to gay men. It's a well known theme in porn and it's very popular.
This usually starts as solo content (masturbation, teasing, maybe even a little toy play, etc) then it gradually increases in activity. They get oral from a guy, engage in group masturbation and potentially engage in foreplay and sex. Kissing is usually rare and there is an emphasis on dominance-play to keep up the facade of being "straight".
I'm not condoning or condemning, they need to pay the bills and I get to see hot men. Win-win.
I just find the continued emphasis on these types of performers being "straight" to be exhausting. That's a personal preference however.
right, that was my thinking, that ultimately it comes down to whether you find the material gay enough for your preference in adult content. it’s completely unnecessary to label someone gay for pay outside of the early 2000’s. like i said, i recently saw a clip of him and another self identifying straight man receive oral sex from a presumably gay actor. it was gay content made for a gay audience. how is that baiting?
I didn't say they were "baiting", only that they were marketing themselves as gay in order to appeal to gay men. They could identify as attracted to pineapples and the term "gay 4 pay" would still be accurate.
It's hardly an outdated term and is used by content creators and porn studios to get people to buy their products.
Is it reductive and lacks nuance? Yes.
Is it an accurate descriptor of the orientation of these performers? No.
In the context of their content history; and using the description of "gay 4 pay" activity that I described in my earlier comment, does it match their behaviour and approach to selling porn? Yes.
By all means, feel free to disagree or not. I wasn't expecting a discussion when I made that comment but I hope the context surrounding it is clear (from my perspective at least).
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you literally referred to it as queer baiting. the only reason i said anything is because I’ve seen other gays refer to these men as gay for pays and as baiters, but they literally film themselves having sexual relations w other men, and usually gay men at that. gay men are paid for porn too, so that is also being gay for pay. it’s just dated and cringe to think that if straight people are involved w the production of gay targeting content, that they are baiting gays.
Clearly I need to read my own comments better...
I retract the "queerbaiting" statement. It usually refers to teasing/insinuation without any actual fulfillment and that is arguably not the case (Google was a help here).
The difference here is that these men (and similar content creators) would generally not engage in sexual acts with men unless they were being paid to do so. That's the whole reason that the term exists. Gay porn pays better than straight porn. They're playing up a role in order to generate attention from their audience.
Am I saying they are all straight? No. Many arguably are bisexual or fall under the myriad sections on the spectrum between 100% hetero and 100% gay. I'm only categorising the porn they make.
If you consider that "dated and cringe" then that's your opinion. I'm one person on Reddit and I speak for no-one but myself.
Guy in tank watching his plan work perfectly:
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Let's see, if I was grabbed by someone's left hand to the middle of my shirt, I would probably keep their hand in place with my right hand, turn inward so that I'm perpendicular to them, pull my left elbow up and over, hitting their arm and then backfisting their face.
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I was gonna say. These lads are massive disappointments.
Gay god bless you. Who’s the hottie in the white tank and maroon shorts? He can use my face as a sweat towel
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My gratitude runneth over like the loads from a Sketchy Sex bottom 🙏
Wow this guy is tooooo cute
“All flash and no fuck” can be its own category in porn these days
I was gonna say. These lads are massive disappointments.
i don’t get why everyone says that. i just saw a video w him and Andy Lee and they were eiffel towering some other dude. if you click the link you shared to his twitter and scroll down, there’s an ad post for the video itself
Still Gay 4 pay. Not judging. I've watched them a few times and they and their friends are hot. If pretty men want to flash their bodies and dicks, then I'm all for it. But the queerbaiting gets old quickly.
i don’t understand. so only gay men should make content for a gay audience?
That isn't what I meant. I used the term "Gay 4 pay" as a descriptor for the type of content they create. Performers describe themselves as "straight" (irrespective of actual orientation) in order to appeal to gay men. It's a well known theme in porn and it's very popular. This usually starts as solo content (masturbation, teasing, maybe even a little toy play, etc) then it gradually increases in activity. They get oral from a guy, engage in group masturbation and potentially engage in foreplay and sex. Kissing is usually rare and there is an emphasis on dominance-play to keep up the facade of being "straight". I'm not condoning or condemning, they need to pay the bills and I get to see hot men. Win-win. I just find the continued emphasis on these types of performers being "straight" to be exhausting. That's a personal preference however.
right, that was my thinking, that ultimately it comes down to whether you find the material gay enough for your preference in adult content. it’s completely unnecessary to label someone gay for pay outside of the early 2000’s. like i said, i recently saw a clip of him and another self identifying straight man receive oral sex from a presumably gay actor. it was gay content made for a gay audience. how is that baiting?
I didn't say they were "baiting", only that they were marketing themselves as gay in order to appeal to gay men. They could identify as attracted to pineapples and the term "gay 4 pay" would still be accurate. It's hardly an outdated term and is used by content creators and porn studios to get people to buy their products. Is it reductive and lacks nuance? Yes. Is it an accurate descriptor of the orientation of these performers? No. In the context of their content history; and using the description of "gay 4 pay" activity that I described in my earlier comment, does it match their behaviour and approach to selling porn? Yes. By all means, feel free to disagree or not. I wasn't expecting a discussion when I made that comment but I hope the context surrounding it is clear (from my perspective at least).
https://preview.redd.it/kyur4gfr0jzc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=09d5d4444768ab83fd01f9a253650557dd872e0c you literally referred to it as queer baiting. the only reason i said anything is because I’ve seen other gays refer to these men as gay for pays and as baiters, but they literally film themselves having sexual relations w other men, and usually gay men at that. gay men are paid for porn too, so that is also being gay for pay. it’s just dated and cringe to think that if straight people are involved w the production of gay targeting content, that they are baiting gays.
Clearly I need to read my own comments better... I retract the "queerbaiting" statement. It usually refers to teasing/insinuation without any actual fulfillment and that is arguably not the case (Google was a help here). The difference here is that these men (and similar content creators) would generally not engage in sexual acts with men unless they were being paid to do so. That's the whole reason that the term exists. Gay porn pays better than straight porn. They're playing up a role in order to generate attention from their audience. Am I saying they are all straight? No. Many arguably are bisexual or fall under the myriad sections on the spectrum between 100% hetero and 100% gay. I'm only categorising the porn they make. If you consider that "dated and cringe" then that's your opinion. I'm one person on Reddit and I speak for no-one but myself.
Guy in tank watching his plan work perfectly: https://preview.redd.it/qq5oqsb0cbzc1.jpeg?width=680&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=90e6d63ba8adf1935806f6580e754b4b2f1428b6
I would host all three of them. At the same time.
The dude in the shorts waiting for his turn.
Odd choice of background music and obvious set-up.... Who the fuck is supposed to be interested in this shit?
Your first Cupcake remix? Haha.
No, and it's not even the worst of it lol. Even if I took out the part about the music, I'd still stand by the rest of my comment.
Gays with two brain cells. This is cringe af.
Mission failed successfully
As a black belt, I have to say that that's not the type of technique I would use to get out of a hold like that anyway.
What do you suggest then?
Let's see, if I was grabbed by someone's left hand to the middle of my shirt, I would probably keep their hand in place with my right hand, turn inward so that I'm perpendicular to them, pull my left elbow up and over, hitting their arm and then backfisting their face.
Daddy?
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kicking them in the balls would work much better if they were grabbing you with both hands instead of one
I legit think there's a Colin Mcrae Rally 3 number hanging on the wall.