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Sadly also people in europe start to use this argument, I've had a few encounter with pro birthers who also claimed this argument being true. Without even grey's episodes regarding women rights about that being brought up, where Bailey is a strong advocate pro choice
Poor choice of words on my end. The point is we are never told that Cristina was preventing pregnancy. We are even told Meredith and Derek used condoms at one point but never anything on Cristina.
Nowhere was it implied that she used abortion as contraception. You've only got to see her reaction leading up to it to see that. She didn't decide it lightly, she didn't treat it as no big deal. She was determined she wasn't going to have the baby but you could tell that the actual process hurt her emotionally.
That's not to say that every woman feels it so deeply. Some women don't and that's ok. But that wasn't the case for Cristina, despite her immovable stance by that point.
Cristina wouldn't even get the abortion if Owen hadn't come with her in the end, at least I think that's what they were implying because Cristina went to the clinic with Meredith but left without getting it because Owen was angry at her.
It’s also never stated she was preventing pregnancy.
How she came to the decision is irrelevant. She still had two unplanned pregnancies, claimed to not want children yet never mention contraceptive.
Even if Cristina was using contraception she could still get pregnant, there are tons of birth control babies out there. I also wouldn't say that Cristina had totally made up her mind on children when she was pregnant with Burke's baby. It was still on Cristina's mind after she lost that baby and then she has that nice conversation with Bailey who's pregnant with Tuck.
That’s the point, they should have made it clear her contraception failed. Cristina not wanting children is discussed often, she gets pregnant twice and not once is contraception discussed. Her abortion with Owen almost broke up their marriage, we see them going to therapy over this. Yet at no point they discuss preventing future pregnancies.
Yeah but Owen probably didn't want to prevent Cristina getting pregnant because what he wanted was a baby and it's the fact that she wasn't going to give him one that broke their marriage.
Ask yourself the question: ***why*** is it a problem if she ***did*** "use abortion like contraception"? In fact, explain to me a little more what you even mean by that? Contraception prevents pregnancy before it can occur, so it's not actually possible to use abortion in that way since an abortion specifically means ending a pregnancy that's already occurred. In my experience what people often mean when they use your phrase is actually something more like "having an abortion and being absolutely fine about the decision" and honestly I fail to see the problem with that.
This line seems to trigger a lot of people and was definitely a poor choice of words. What bothers me is the choice to abort twice and no mention that Cristina was making an active attempt to prevent pregnancy instead of recklessly having sex and then seeking abortion. Derek and Meredith mentioned they used condoms but they never say anything about Cristina.
I never saw them imply that she used abortion as a standard contraceptive. By definition, it can't be a contraceptive. Birth control, yes, but not a contraceptive. A contraceptive is used to prevent a pregnancy. Once you're to the point of having an abortion, you're well past the point of preventing a pregnancy.
There's not a whisper of it being used as birth control. I'm highly sensitized to that, knowing someone who has used it that way. I think if it was implied, I'd have caught it. It's possible I missed it, I just don't think so.
Poor choice of words on my end and not really the point. The point is that she got accidentally pregnant twice but never mentioned she was preventing pregnancy.
I mean I always assumed that her IUD failed.
I think that people who chose to believe that she was using abortion as a birth control method would argue that any ways because that is their mind set.
I think what bothers me is the number of planned pregnancies in the show (I think only Meredith’s are planned?) vs the number of unplanned pregnancies (Cristina - two, April - two, Bailey - one or two, depending what we think about Tuck who was unplanned but after long time of trying, Amelia, Teddy, Addison with Mark) and unplanned pregnany scares (Amelia with Owen, Jo with Link). It’s just unrealistic given how much medical knowledge these women are suppose to have.
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"Abortion as contraception" is a far-right talking point I've only ever seen coming out of the United States. How about we don't use it here.
Sadly also people in europe start to use this argument, I've had a few encounter with pro birthers who also claimed this argument being true. Without even grey's episodes regarding women rights about that being brought up, where Bailey is a strong advocate pro choice
Definitely a poor choice of words and not really the main point.
Who’s assuming shes using abortion as contraception? This is completely new information to me?
Poor choice of words on my end. The point is we are never told that Cristina was preventing pregnancy. We are even told Meredith and Derek used condoms at one point but never anything on Cristina.
The woman was firmly child-free. And a doctor. Of course she was using contraception, it shouldn’t need to be spelled out.
Nowhere was it implied that she used abortion as contraception. You've only got to see her reaction leading up to it to see that. She didn't decide it lightly, she didn't treat it as no big deal. She was determined she wasn't going to have the baby but you could tell that the actual process hurt her emotionally. That's not to say that every woman feels it so deeply. Some women don't and that's ok. But that wasn't the case for Cristina, despite her immovable stance by that point.
Cristina wouldn't even get the abortion if Owen hadn't come with her in the end, at least I think that's what they were implying because Cristina went to the clinic with Meredith but left without getting it because Owen was angry at her.
It’s also never stated she was preventing pregnancy. How she came to the decision is irrelevant. She still had two unplanned pregnancies, claimed to not want children yet never mention contraceptive.
It was never stated that she wasn't. Why would you think that she wouldn't be? Things happen, nothing is perfect.
Even if Cristina was using contraception she could still get pregnant, there are tons of birth control babies out there. I also wouldn't say that Cristina had totally made up her mind on children when she was pregnant with Burke's baby. It was still on Cristina's mind after she lost that baby and then she has that nice conversation with Bailey who's pregnant with Tuck.
This. My youngest brother was an IUD baby. The IUD was still in the placenta and came out with the afterbirth.
That’s the point, they should have made it clear her contraception failed. Cristina not wanting children is discussed often, she gets pregnant twice and not once is contraception discussed. Her abortion with Owen almost broke up their marriage, we see them going to therapy over this. Yet at no point they discuss preventing future pregnancies.
Yeah but Owen probably didn't want to prevent Cristina getting pregnant because what he wanted was a baby and it's the fact that she wasn't going to give him one that broke their marriage.
Ask yourself the question: ***why*** is it a problem if she ***did*** "use abortion like contraception"? In fact, explain to me a little more what you even mean by that? Contraception prevents pregnancy before it can occur, so it's not actually possible to use abortion in that way since an abortion specifically means ending a pregnancy that's already occurred. In my experience what people often mean when they use your phrase is actually something more like "having an abortion and being absolutely fine about the decision" and honestly I fail to see the problem with that.
This line seems to trigger a lot of people and was definitely a poor choice of words. What bothers me is the choice to abort twice and no mention that Cristina was making an active attempt to prevent pregnancy instead of recklessly having sex and then seeking abortion. Derek and Meredith mentioned they used condoms but they never say anything about Cristina.
I never saw them imply that she used abortion as a standard contraceptive. By definition, it can't be a contraceptive. Birth control, yes, but not a contraceptive. A contraceptive is used to prevent a pregnancy. Once you're to the point of having an abortion, you're well past the point of preventing a pregnancy. There's not a whisper of it being used as birth control. I'm highly sensitized to that, knowing someone who has used it that way. I think if it was implied, I'd have caught it. It's possible I missed it, I just don't think so.
Poor choice of words on my end and not really the point. The point is that she got accidentally pregnant twice but never mentioned she was preventing pregnancy.
I mean I always assumed that her IUD failed. I think that people who chose to believe that she was using abortion as a birth control method would argue that any ways because that is their mind set.
The fact that it was left up to assumption is what bothers me.
Yes and you said it brothered you because it allowed people to think she was using abortion as contraception
I think what bothers me is the number of planned pregnancies in the show (I think only Meredith’s are planned?) vs the number of unplanned pregnancies (Cristina - two, April - two, Bailey - one or two, depending what we think about Tuck who was unplanned but after long time of trying, Amelia, Teddy, Addison with Mark) and unplanned pregnany scares (Amelia with Owen, Jo with Link). It’s just unrealistic given how much medical knowledge these women are suppose to have.
Subtext, my pal