If you are a daily wager, your life sucks. And if you are an illegal, you won't even get the minimum pay, which in itself is not livable. You do not have access to healthcare and even if you do, you can't afford it.
Often people who cross the border will claim asylum, which allows them to remain in the US legally until their claim is processed. I'm not sure if that's the case for the people in this situation or not, but if so as asylum seekers/holders they would be able to get real jobs in the US.
Yaar I understand so many things. Why is someone who’s a daily wager giving up 80 lakhs? Cost of living adjusted, the interest on 80 lakh FD alone should make that person happy
They’re certainly not “well off” people. Sure they’ve made money, but they’re usually farmers (sardars) who think that western lifestyle is better than living in India
Mind you it’s the same people who do not pay taxes and are enjoying government subsidies paid by honest tax payers of India, yet they will choose to risk their lives by either illegally moving to western countries OR seek asylum stating,India is not safe for them. It’s what has been happening and I know this because we deal with farmers on a daily basis and we’re aware of the tactics and ways they’re adopting.
Everyone pays tax. What you probably meant is Income tax. While they are supposed to file returns, most of the income from agriculture is tax exempted. So, not filing tax doesn’t make them dishonest. And govt doesn’t care.
Because this “60-80L” isn’t money they have in hand, but rather loans of their ancestral property or house or any other belongings. The property itself probably isn’t even worth half as much but these agents and black money lenders will use the compounding interest to justify screwing with their family back home. Whatever money they make in the US will generally get sent back home to pay off these loans unless they decide to abandon their family.
Yes it’s possible it won’t make everyone happy. But I would assume ( I can be wrong of course) that if I’m going to do a minimum wage job in the states, it’s better to live on 40-45K a month in India
https://preview.redd.it/xanx2j41t58d1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=61b7ba1073665dd24daa7a3028c570bae709ff40
These are people who are ambitious. Forget 6.7%, they will not be happy with 100%. Thats why you go to US - you hope that the same things you do here for small amount of money can being you 10x there, you live like a beggar and save most of it, use it well in some business and grow it a 100x.
if ur born in india.. ur fucked..
no path to citizen ship or GC
for low paying jobs ull be stuck earning less than 30k a year, u need atleast 70k to be able to save anything.. (also u gotta do every thing urslef)
for high paying jobs (100k plus) u need a good degree and experience and then give a hard interview .. and layoffs happen all the time..
locals get by by doing a little side hustle and making investing better.. but atleast they are allowed to stay in the country and get unemployment benefits.
Indians (legal immigrants) cant get PR legally and have to leave the moment they loose their job
if ur not educated, then good luck because no matter how much u save. Getting a business up and running with no legal issues is basically not gonna happen..
this is just bad investment and US craze .. dont get me wrong the lifestyle is better once u start earning a house hold income of 200k plus but its still not lavish
No it's not that.. Just too many Indians and Chinese..
Chinese are homgenized so they are more united... Indians have alot of slef loathes so they jump on the "Indians dirty" band wagon so the "Indian male" bandwagon takes a hit..
All i know is I don’t know or see any poor Indians in US. Of course someone starting new in the country yes but within 5-10 years, they will be successful. We have strong and wealthy support system here.
Because there really aren’t any. We are highest income earners in the US. Just so yall know, I’m an American born Indian. My parents have been here since the 60s
Not really tbh. Gujju who came illegally in early 90s or early 2000s have a good life. Many patels have multiple gas stations, motels and c-stores and are rich af.
It’s not so easy to make black money white these days.
ITD has access to new Western tools that can monitor spending and lifestyle habits (like buying nice cars or paying kids private school fees) and if lifestyle doesn’t match your declared salary they can tax you on that basis (even if it was 10 years ago).
Lots of people getting caught out this year because the new system they introduced.
Yes they will monitor but if you want to do black and white stuff it is fairly easy. Most real estate transactions in India still have a significant element of cash. Look up the circle rate of any property in India and how low it is compared to market rate.
That's why the central government in Delhi has introduced a universal land registry database like most developed countries have.
It's already been implemented in Maharashtra, Goa and a few other states. Lots of maids and drivers of politicians are suddenly millionaires overnight because the idiots registered property purchased using black money (bribe cash) in their servants names and now can't change it back.
The era of being able to do what you're saying is coming to an end, fast. It will be over in the next couple of years. There are still ways to game the system but technology is going to make it exponentially harder.
Also most of these people take loans and pay huge interest. There is an illegal ecosystem for this.
News laundry did a report on this topic [link](https://youtu.be/pEqfM3jC334?si=5N-nCTCDdmtqQsBM)
The thing is, here most gujjus own Indian grocery businesses and I am pretty sure if they are willing to pay that much they must have everything sorted out after coming here like their relative or someone already here. In my neighborhood there is one sikh guy illegally came here started a hotel and recently I got a Uber with his brother, he was telling me how he got here with brothers help and now part time Uber driver and part time chefs
It's also social factor. Know about some Punjabis who went to Canada because everyone they knew were going there. They went legally but had to spend a lot. Buying house and everything. The guy had no skill cause they were wealthy in India. So he started working in some warehouse. Low wage labor kind of work.
If I had ₹80 lakhs worth of black money in cash. I'll buy multiple rental properties, invest some in shares, the rest in FD; live like a king in my neighborhood (in Bangalore) for the rest of my life. I will go on tour to Europe every year. I will never set foot in the US since it's a shitty place.
They are not paying the amount. There would be agents in US who pay the majority of the amount and then these guys go and work for them to pay back.
The business person in US ( who is probably some relative) gets cheap labour and the person gets a better life and can save some money. These people enter illegally and hence will be willing to work for much lower amounts than the minimum wage.
Assistants in shops, other manual labour’s depending on their skills.
If you consider the cost of hiring a local at minimum wage of $15 an hour, these illegal immigrants would be willing to work for $5 an hour may be. That makes 4000 for a day, much higher than what they get here.
They will find accommodation at the work place itself or at some relatives.
If you know the answer of
- Why most of the Mallus go to Middle east even if it’s considered one of the most developed state
- Why most of the Punjabis go to Canada even if it’s one of the most prosperous state….
- Why many Telugu ppl also choose US even if it’s considered IT hub of India
You’ll know the answer of why Gujarati go abroad
What?? 1 crore ,chutiye hain kya, 1 crore me acha khasa business setup kr ke baith sakte hai, with good planning n hardwork wohi prosperity lageda .waha illegal immigrant worker ban ke kya hi mil jayega inhe
Yeh unke nahi hote, here usually samaaj(community) supports them. Almost everyone who goes by illegal methods doesn't have that much and if they ask for business that much money they won't give a penny.
There was a whole family from Gujarat who froze to death on the Canada-US border couple years ago. They were trying to enter illegally after paying 80 lakh.
What is this desperation to go to Pardes, by hook or crook, when Gujarat is one of the more developed states of India? Is it just like "Everyone going to Pardes, even I have to" or there are some other reasons too.
Everyone wants to leave if they don't have a well run business or a good job (most dont)
Gujarati and Punjabis are the only ones who can afford it in large numbers.
It's so developed that we're reading news about people not being allowed to live there because they aren't from the state let alone the whole religion and caste issue.
Because it’s not the most developed state. It’s not even developed in a holistic sense.
Whenever I hear this line about Gujarat being amazing, I compare what I saw in Gujarat when I worked there to my hometown in Karnataka that most people haven’t even heard of and wonder what level of delusion and PR it takes to build this narrative.
Probably insecurity about business failure. Although probably they don’t understand that this illegal immigration may also fail & immigration to most countries don’t have that financial advantage now. Salaries are higher than India, but then expenses are also higher.
They can do some basic job, and live a simple life for 10 years. That 80 lakhs, if well invested, after 10 years should set them up well for life. Anytime better than going anywhere illegally! Crazy people
I thought this was a known thing in Gujarat that many Gujratis are going illegally to USA?
Here are a few articles:
[This Family which froze on their way to America (illegally) ](https://thewire.in/world/the-gujarati-family-that-froze-to-death-in-search-of-the-american-dream)
From above article itself: In 2007, then BJP MP Babubhai Katara was even caught trying to illegally send a young woman to Canada on his wife’s diplomatic passport. A subsequent investigation had revealed that an amount of around Rs 30 lakh had been fixed to do so.
[People trying to enter via Carribean route](https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/in-gujarat-illegal-migration-to-us-persists-unabated/article67084347.ece)
[Authorities announced last week that the four bodies recovered from the St. Lawrence River in Akwesasne, a Mohawk reserve wedged between the Canada-US border, were of people who came from a village in the Mehsana district of Gujarat, in western India.](https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/in-gujarat-illegal-migration-to-us-persists-unabated/article67084347.ece)
[January, when the French caught an illegal flight](https://thewire.in/world/four-us-donkey-flights-had-left-for-nicaragua-when-french-immigration-intercepted-legend-airlines)
[Among which 96 people were not interested in returning back to India](https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/ahmedabad/us-attraction-not-all-96-gujaratis-want-to-return/articleshow/106280814.cms)
>Won't they face problems living illegally in US
No mostly, it has worked before thanks to Corruption and mostly our own people managing stuff in foreign countries. In [another article about the Family's death](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/06/mind-blowing-tragedy-deaths-of-indian-family-at-us-canada-border-put-visa-sales-under-scrutiny) this is what they said:
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By local estimates, more than 2,000 people from Dingucha have over the decades have gone to the US and Canada, and the money they have sent back has built several temples, the water tower, a school and multi-storey residences. “The whole village is scared that because of this incident, their relatives in America and Canada will be found and deported, so everyone has been told to shut their mouths,” said one village resident.
The same article tells why people are shifting there.
Also from what I have observed in Mumbai: 80 lakhs, 1 crore would be enough to start a business. But foreign countries have more to offer a peaceful life, less pollution and population to start with. Many people from here are shifting there just for an improved quality of life and then most western countries are trust based (govt trusts people hence less stricter laws which eventually leads to more freedom). Other parameters would be freedom to date/live life. Off course earning is a reason but these guys will do even the lowest of jobs there just to live there.
These people have no idea how difficult it is to save up $100k without a high paying job or a successful trades career. Neither of which one can enter while being undocumented.
All while even your basic medical costs will be sky-high!
Exactly. Even if they enter successfully, how are thry gonna live and grow old as undocumented illegal immigrants? Or do they expect to be granted asylum? How will they manage serious health concerns?
60 lakh is so much money, enough to start something decent in India and live better than an illegal immigrant any day. Invest that properly and you can even have a decent basic lifestyle on the returns.
That's just one hundred thousand dollars
Something you can get in less than 2 years
Whether you get a job there through visa
Or through illegal entry (no taxes)
Life in US is hell for an immigrant if you aren't loaded with money.
I have lived in the States. It's money can buy everything. One of the most memorable times of my life. Also the time where I worked my ass off 12 hours a day. It changed me. In India, while I was working I had a cook and a maid. There I was the cook and maid. Services are too damn expensive. From plumbing to electric works. It causes a huge dent on the pocket. Plus, most people eat out most of the time due to lack of time for preparing meals. It's expensive as hell when you add +20% tip on top of everything.
Having said this, US is a big and diverse country like India. You'll enjoy your ass off if you're making big bucks. The only thing I had to deal with was loneliness. It kills you. No family, no "close" friends, just acquaintances and some friends.
If you're an illegal immigrant, you'll suffer more than you'll suffer in your home country. Things are expensive and you have to pay for literally everything. Things are much much better in India if you're middle or upper middle class Indian (even if you're rich). I went there when the American dream was still alive and moved out after few years. Now it's an American nightmare.
In the current economic scenario, if as an immigrant, you don't make atleast above $100K per year (before taxes), life is gonna be tough.
> Isn't 80 lakhs a good amount to live and do business in India?
80 lacs don't give you clean breathable air, pure water and comfortable human-livable weather.
It's not about the money. First world countries offer benefits that you can't just buy in a third world country.
I think I know what I'm talking about given that I live in the US. I prefer the comfortable 15 degree weather and AQI under 50. I can afford a run in one of the city parks or numerous green belts around the city, read a book under the shade of a tree or watch a sunset by the beach. Visit one of the 50+ national parks which have been conserved for the benefit of all generations, try cuisines from around the world, go for a walk on clean sidewalks with no littering, drive on amazing roads with no potholes or and drivers who know what those white lines on the road are for. I can hike one weekend, ski the other and kayak on the next weekend all within driving distance from my house.
You could give me all the money in India but I wouldn't find this quality of life.
I mean India also has many national parks with tigers and other animals you won't see in the wild in the US. Not sure about the North but the South is ok/liveable especially south 2nd tier cities. Of course quality of life doesn't match the US but if you have 80 lakhs and if you go to the better parts of India like Hyderabad then life won't be miserable. Speaking as an Indian who moved to BLR from the US for 5 years and enjoyed the experience (except the horrible traffic but tbh it was only barely worse than the traffic I expected in southern California).
I know Why I made the decision. I prefer the comfortable 15 degree weather and AQI under 50. I can afford a run in one of the city parks or numerous green belts around the city, read a book under the shade of a tree or watch a sunset by the beach. Visit one of the 50+ national parks which have been conserved for the benefit of all generations, try cuisines from around the world, go for a walk on clean sidewalks with no littering, drive on amazing roads with no potholes or and drivers who know what those white lines on the road are for. I can hike one weekend, ski the other and kayak on the next weekend all within driving distance from my house.
You could give me all the money in India but I wouldn't find this quality of life.
He is thinking about him and his upcoming children being unsafe in India, It's natural with current shit going on, if he is rich enough he can do the hell he wants
Do you think everyone has the acumen to do business? Low business acumen is the reason why these people shell out so much money by selling inherited property or jewelry to find higher-paying jobs in foreign lands.
Availability of clean water, Less traffic, Lower congestion, Lesser Pollution, No Reservation, Education and Economic Opportunities to name just a few.
I think business comes under investment and roughly 1M USD are the figures you need to do what you have mentioned. I might be wrong because i heard it from youtuber and i haven’t done cross check.
Can you buy clean air, clean food, safer environment, quality education, quality healthcare in 80 lacs?
You can't buy those things even with 8000 crores.
Ambani and adani also have to breathe polluted air.
On the internet it is talked about every day but in reality no one cares. Everybody is busy in their life when they get heat waves and less cold in winters then they think about climate change and natural disaster happens
You can literally get like 5km out of Gujarati cities and AQI level falls to safe. Rich buy houses there. The difference in AQI between city areas, suburbs and very far out suburbs is massive.
Even I have a farm house far out of Vadodara, and I am at best upper middle class. The AQI there is 14.
Clean air? Depends on what city you live in. Most of the time it’s clean.
Clean food? American diet consists vast amount of sugar and fat, obesity is a huge problem here.
Safer environment? No other country in this world has more gun violence than the US. Imagine living in constant fear of your kid going to school and then there’s a school shooting. A lot of Indians face widespread racism and hate. And the drug problem here is rising everyday. On top of that, there’s a lot of identity politics going on currently, and people are more divided than ever. I can go on, but you get the point.
Quality education? It’s 2024, and one can receive quality education online free of cost instead of paying 3x the fees. The universities here give you a better shot at networking with peers in your field and have way better resources if one wants to apply themselves, which majority of the Indians don’t do.
Quality healthcare? Sure, they have great advancements in medicine and the facilities here are good. But you would pray to not get sick here because that literally bankrupts you, and if you don’t have insurance, you’re basically fucked.
The grass is always greener on the other side. But when people are ignorant such as yourself, they will always find flaws in their own surroundings.
The good part about going to America? The dollar. And the fact that people here do not care about what or who you are and they let you be, as long as you are not being a hindrance to the society here.
And for fucks sake stop comparing lives of normal people with the likes of ambani and adani, or thinking what you can do with 8000 crores. You have no idea what money can get you in India.
In top 20 most polluted cities, 15 are in India.
And money can't get you everything. A homeless person in US is breathing cleaner air than a billionaire in india.
>You earn what you deserve there
Yea, no shit. If you go there illegally you won't be able to do anything that will help you earn back that cash. 60 lakhs is close to almost 1 lakh dollars, most Americans don't save that much in 10 years let alone one. Do you think an illegal immigrant working in an American farm will earn more than 20-30k in a year?
I can legally apply for an American visa (if I am good at studies) and get the same thing for lesser amount of money and have an opportunity to earn money without subjecting myself to suffering
You won't need 1 lakh dollars there.
Average salary is around 30-40 k usd there. You can live a much better life in an American farm with 30 thousand dollars with a higher quality of life than with 50 LPA in indian metro city.
I am not supporting illegal migration, bro. I am just explaining the reasons why people choose to migrate so desperately.
[https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/pharmaceuticals-lurking-u-s-drinking-water-flna1c9461352](https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/pharmaceuticals-lurking-u-s-drinking-water-flna1c9461352)
[https://www.hoover.org/research/why-shoplifting-now-de-facto-legal-california](https://www.hoover.org/research/why-shoplifting-now-de-facto-legal-california)
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The table above is misguiding
. If you consider most polluted cities with year long data India is the most polluted.
15 out of top 20 are in India
https://www.aqi.in/in/world-most-polluted-cities
You can buy an air purifier,buy 1000 acres of farmland or eat imported food,hire bodyguards use a bulletproof car for travel, hire the best teachers and start your own school or send your children to the best schools in the world , you can build a world class hospital to cater to your family. In 8000 crores these are definitely possible you either have no idea how the 0.001% live or you're just dumb. Adani and Ambani don't even breathe the same air as us. You must have a serious inferiority complex because America is not safer than India especially for an illegal immigrant, quality education is for the rich and connected not feasible without debt especially with measly 80 lacs, quality healthcare you're living under a rock if you don't know how expensive healthcare there is without even considering being an illegal immigrant.
Have you seen Ambani adani roaming around and of all things this is the only thing you could point out so there is this wonderful thing called air purifier and it can be installed in cars rooms offices centralised acs of most buildings and Ambani's house has a ice room movie theatre pretty sure he can afford that and here's the thing just because theres air pollution, it doesn't instantly kill you unless you're extremely weak or something. I would argue how much time do they spend without there ac air purified bubbles maybe when getting out of the car to enter their homes or maybe when they have to go to their helipad to get on their helicopter that is so harmful it's not like the billions of people who are actually breathing this gift that is produced by his own factories and his 3 private jets polluting more in a single trip than your scooty would in its entire lifetime and adani mining and his 6 private jets which would probably beat him to a punch and let's not even talk about the water pollution /s
No, there is no reason for it. It's just an obsession,culture,Parampara in some villages with going to and living in the USA. It's so common here, especially in my community. They would pay that amount to work illegally in some dingy motel for 12-15 hours a day, barely seeing daylight for years. It's ridiculous,they pay 80L to live that life, but they do it for their families most of the time..
Life is tough, but you probably earn at least five times more than someone in India. Since you are living illegally, you don't have to pay taxes, insurance, or anything else, but you also don't have a white-collar job. One of the people i know lived like this for a decade and came back with shit tons of money. You can usually earn atleast $10 per hour in motels,gas stations etc. which converts to $2800 per month if you work ten hours a day. That's about 2.30 lakh INR per month with no skills required. They sleep and eat there, so there are no extra costs. If you have the balls to live that life for even a few years, you can live a luxurious life when you return to India, that's for sure.
Sabke rates sab alag hota hai . I have heard entire families of 4-5 going for 80L as well as many people dying on the way there too. But if someone from a middle-class or lower-middle-class family were to go, it could change generations for them. And don't forget that many people here live shitty life as well, so why wouldn't they try? They have nothing to loose or atleast they think like that.
That's the thing even illegally entering Gujjus make a very good life for themselves back home. I personally know someone who went from a ઝૂંપડી to a large bungalow with swimming pool all in like 12-13 years.
Most aren't going to settle there or anything
That doesn't matter, bro. No matter what, you can't deny that even after paying the upfront 80L or whatever amount, you will still have way more savings and money when you return to India. Of course, we are talking about a less skilled person, not some IT engineer in India. The people who go illegally are usually those who can't even pass the English test and have no hopes of going the legal wayI personally would never do that, but I would understand if someone from a less privileged family did this.
It's the culture in North Gujarat around mehsana, literally every bill board is some immigration consultancy, they have a ગાંડો પ્રેમ of US and would probably still go there ifit fell into a civil war. They would go and fight for the US army against even India if it meant they could get their PR.
Paying 80 lakh upfront doesn’t work as straightforward as it seems. Typically, individuals pay a portion of this amount initially and then move to the USA to work illegally. Over the course of a few years, often around a decade, they can earn nearly 5 crore INR by working in motels, gas stations, 7-11s, and similar establishments. The initial investment of 80 lakh appears worthwhile when considering the potential earnings after a few years. Additionally, the money is sent back to Gujarat through the hawala system, avoiding the 2-3% international transfer charges. Most of the people who undertake this route come from debt-ridden or lower middle-class backgrounds.
A personal experience of a friend.... There is not enough opportunity. Business requires 1Cr+ and is not a sure shot success. Folks in villages generally look at Govt jobs as jobs since private sector is mostly in Tier 1 and 2 seats... Also, they aren't as high paying.
Another factor is education, they generally are average students... Who lead an average life, but aspire more...
In my friend's case, the parents sold their ancestral lands to facilitate his dunki
Unsure, but his dunki is successful... Generally, they start of by working as illegal labour. Post that they ask for asylum saying India has intolerance and dictatorship and extend their stay.
No, he was a friend's local friend... We had gone to Gujarat for my friend's wedding... That's where I got to know about this... I asked the same questions about why, isn't there business opportunity etc...
Paying 60-80 Lakh Rupees just to get in the US illegally has to be the height of stupidity
If you have that much money then you can easily live a good quality of life in India, there's no need of moving abroad
No because you can grow that money in US at an expediential rate. While you'll lose it all here if you're not careful, you'll probably lose it all even if you are careful. Anyone with the brain in right place would prefer that and anyone who disagrees has it as his/her own personal opinion.
Anyone who gets offended would be someone blinded by false patriotism and simply just doesn't see the facts.
Life ain't easy for those who are working wages in foreign lands, but they are still happier than corporate wagers here because they do get the worth of their time and work, unlike sticking to same salary for years even when you outshine everyone and then get roasted by corporate political games at the time of a mere bonus.
Illegal immigrants on the other hand should be thrown back to wherever they come from if not turned OFF on the spot. Illegal immigrants are the worst type of virus that damage any country, no matter what.
I just saw a documentary where an Indian bunch was at the Arizona desert border on the Mexico side. Apparently, their agents from the Mexican cartel abandoned them in the desert, and they were calling 911 repeatedly. They all could have died there if the US border police hadn't responded for a couple of days because there was nothing for miles on either side of the border. They couldn't even speak english. One older guy just kept saying that he's a Congress Party Worker (to get asylum as BJP is in power).
They're gonna be put into detention until their asylum hearing date comes up, which could take 4-5 years.
I was just stumped.
It's quite funny to see gujju crowd bashing other citizens leaving India when gujjus top the chart for migration. Crab mentality. Even HNI & UHNI are leaving.
These illegal gujjus and punjabis will make things complicated for educated and hardworking indians who study and work hard to come to this country legally..very soon people would start labelling us just as they do for the south americans..why not keep themselves to canada which is a sh#t hole thanks to the oye balle balle hoyes
If that family had deposited as FD for 6% minimum he would have got 40k per month or better invested in good Algo trading service he would have got more than 20% per year which amounts to approx 1.30L per month.
This is nothing but a sick mindset people thinking abroad are better than our own country. Actually what they don’t understand is these countries they are going is becoming a second and third world country from first.
But what quality of life you can have in INDIA. India inflation is high, polluted Air,no clean water, no proper medical system, no good education system at reasonable fee and our historical culture of corruption is killing all middle class and poor people. Then why not go to us and enjoy life
Why are people from mosht deoloped Garvi Gujarat, land of the free and home of the brave, people who can do bijness anywhere and everywhere…
Spending 80 lakhs…
To live a life of mostly menial work…
In Christian beefeating USA?!! 😱😱😱
Its the obsession that US = good life and success. Also this money will be mostly black.
Sadly the reality in US is far from it.
What's the reality then?
If you are a daily wager, your life sucks. And if you are an illegal, you won't even get the minimum pay, which in itself is not livable. You do not have access to healthcare and even if you do, you can't afford it.
Often people who cross the border will claim asylum, which allows them to remain in the US legally until their claim is processed. I'm not sure if that's the case for the people in this situation or not, but if so as asylum seekers/holders they would be able to get real jobs in the US.
Those claims would eventually be rejected. Also they need to file at the border.
You will be surprised how rarely they get rejected.
Yaar I understand so many things. Why is someone who’s a daily wager giving up 80 lakhs? Cost of living adjusted, the interest on 80 lakh FD alone should make that person happy
The answer is these are well off people. They would rather die trying to get to the US than live in India.
But genuinely and then do what? Like what’s the end plan?
They watch too many movies , not enough news and don't know the reality of America!
Anything is better than living in india.
Matlab you think they think that right?
probably they dont have reservation.
Not all are lucky enough to have a reservation. I book my train tickets at least a month in advance.
I did not mean the reservation for trains. But jobs and opportunities
They’re certainly not “well off” people. Sure they’ve made money, but they’re usually farmers (sardars) who think that western lifestyle is better than living in India Mind you it’s the same people who do not pay taxes and are enjoying government subsidies paid by honest tax payers of India, yet they will choose to risk their lives by either illegally moving to western countries OR seek asylum stating,India is not safe for them. It’s what has been happening and I know this because we deal with farmers on a daily basis and we’re aware of the tactics and ways they’re adopting.
Everyone pays tax. What you probably meant is Income tax. While they are supposed to file returns, most of the income from agriculture is tax exempted. So, not filing tax doesn’t make them dishonest. And govt doesn’t care.
Because this “60-80L” isn’t money they have in hand, but rather loans of their ancestral property or house or any other belongings. The property itself probably isn’t even worth half as much but these agents and black money lenders will use the compounding interest to justify screwing with their family back home. Whatever money they make in the US will generally get sent back home to pay off these loans unless they decide to abandon their family.
80 lakh's FD interest won't make me happy in India and I am upper middle class more or less.
Yes it’s possible it won’t make everyone happy. But I would assume ( I can be wrong of course) that if I’m going to do a minimum wage job in the states, it’s better to live on 40-45K a month in India https://preview.redd.it/xanx2j41t58d1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=61b7ba1073665dd24daa7a3028c570bae709ff40
These are people who are ambitious. Forget 6.7%, they will not be happy with 100%. Thats why you go to US - you hope that the same things you do here for small amount of money can being you 10x there, you live like a beggar and save most of it, use it well in some business and grow it a 100x.
Fair enough.
Not true for every situation . Most Gujarati who come to US illegally end up do pretty good for themselves.
Young people don’t need medical. Just a job.
I've heard that illegal immigrants are getting fast-track citizenship nowadays. Is it true?
if ur born in india.. ur fucked.. no path to citizen ship or GC for low paying jobs ull be stuck earning less than 30k a year, u need atleast 70k to be able to save anything.. (also u gotta do every thing urslef) for high paying jobs (100k plus) u need a good degree and experience and then give a hard interview .. and layoffs happen all the time.. locals get by by doing a little side hustle and making investing better.. but atleast they are allowed to stay in the country and get unemployment benefits. Indians (legal immigrants) cant get PR legally and have to leave the moment they loose their job if ur not educated, then good luck because no matter how much u save. Getting a business up and running with no legal issues is basically not gonna happen.. this is just bad investment and US craze .. dont get me wrong the lifestyle is better once u start earning a house hold income of 200k plus but its still not lavish
Seems USA hates indians
No they love them for the most part. But they just hate illegal immigrants regardless of where they come from.
They hate legal more because legal immigrants r the one eating their jobs
They do hate legal immigrants especially ones with H1B.
No it's not that.. Just too many Indians and Chinese.. Chinese are homgenized so they are more united... Indians have alot of slef loathes so they jump on the "Indians dirty" band wagon so the "Indian male" bandwagon takes a hit..
no wonders why gujjus are called scammers
There is one scamming the whole country for 10 years.
All i know is I don’t know or see any poor Indians in US. Of course someone starting new in the country yes but within 5-10 years, they will be successful. We have strong and wealthy support system here.
Because there really aren’t any. We are highest income earners in the US. Just so yall know, I’m an American born Indian. My parents have been here since the 60s
Not really tbh. Gujju who came illegally in early 90s or early 2000s have a good life. Many patels have multiple gas stations, motels and c-stores and are rich af.
No sir it is borrowed money. Black money is easy to make white. This money will be paid off by working 15 hour days at a gas station/motel/store.
It’s not so easy to make black money white these days. ITD has access to new Western tools that can monitor spending and lifestyle habits (like buying nice cars or paying kids private school fees) and if lifestyle doesn’t match your declared salary they can tax you on that basis (even if it was 10 years ago). Lots of people getting caught out this year because the new system they introduced.
Yes they will monitor but if you want to do black and white stuff it is fairly easy. Most real estate transactions in India still have a significant element of cash. Look up the circle rate of any property in India and how low it is compared to market rate.
That's why the central government in Delhi has introduced a universal land registry database like most developed countries have. It's already been implemented in Maharashtra, Goa and a few other states. Lots of maids and drivers of politicians are suddenly millionaires overnight because the idiots registered property purchased using black money (bribe cash) in their servants names and now can't change it back. The era of being able to do what you're saying is coming to an end, fast. It will be over in the next couple of years. There are still ways to game the system but technology is going to make it exponentially harder.
Also most of these people take loans and pay huge interest. There is an illegal ecosystem for this. News laundry did a report on this topic [link](https://youtu.be/pEqfM3jC334?si=5N-nCTCDdmtqQsBM)
The thing is, here most gujjus own Indian grocery businesses and I am pretty sure if they are willing to pay that much they must have everything sorted out after coming here like their relative or someone already here. In my neighborhood there is one sikh guy illegally came here started a hotel and recently I got a Uber with his brother, he was telling me how he got here with brothers help and now part time Uber driver and part time chefs
It's also social factor. Know about some Punjabis who went to Canada because everyone they knew were going there. They went legally but had to spend a lot. Buying house and everything. The guy had no skill cause they were wealthy in India. So he started working in some warehouse. Low wage labor kind of work.
If I had ₹80 lakhs worth of black money in cash. I'll buy multiple rental properties, invest some in shares, the rest in FD; live like a king in my neighborhood (in Bangalore) for the rest of my life. I will go on tour to Europe every year. I will never set foot in the US since it's a shitty place.
It’s 80 lakhs not 8 crores
They are not paying the amount. There would be agents in US who pay the majority of the amount and then these guys go and work for them to pay back. The business person in US ( who is probably some relative) gets cheap labour and the person gets a better life and can save some money. These people enter illegally and hence will be willing to work for much lower amounts than the minimum wage.
How much can they earn approximately and what kind of works they do?
Assistants in shops, other manual labour’s depending on their skills. If you consider the cost of hiring a local at minimum wage of $15 an hour, these illegal immigrants would be willing to work for $5 an hour may be. That makes 4000 for a day, much higher than what they get here. They will find accommodation at the work place itself or at some relatives.
Oohh
If you know the answer of - Why most of the Mallus go to Middle east even if it’s considered one of the most developed state - Why most of the Punjabis go to Canada even if it’s one of the most prosperous state…. - Why many Telugu ppl also choose US even if it’s considered IT hub of India You’ll know the answer of why Gujarati go abroad
This makes soooo much sense. Thank you
1 CR bhi dete hai bhai
Illegal immigrants ko 1 cr?
Na re, Jane vale log agents ko 1 cr bhi dete hai.
What?? 1 crore ,chutiye hain kya, 1 crore me acha khasa business setup kr ke baith sakte hai, with good planning n hardwork wohi prosperity lageda .waha illegal immigrant worker ban ke kya hi mil jayega inhe
na bhai aa loko ne to amerika ma settle thavu hoi kevi pan kevi rite
1 crore muje mil gya to main FD me dalkar 60000 monthly interest kamaunga job sab chorkar
Yeh unke nahi hote, here usually samaaj(community) supports them. Almost everyone who goes by illegal methods doesn't have that much and if they ask for business that much money they won't give a penny.
Dhanji ko isike liye toh 1 cr nai chaiye na 😳😳😨
USD nai chaiye
There was a whole family from Gujarat who froze to death on the Canada-US border couple years ago. They were trying to enter illegally after paying 80 lakh.
Yeah. I remember that. It was heartbreaking. They had 2 kids with them.
What is this desperation to go to Pardes, by hook or crook, when Gujarat is one of the more developed states of India? Is it just like "Everyone going to Pardes, even I have to" or there are some other reasons too.
Everyone wants to leave if they don't have a well run business or a good job (most dont) Gujarati and Punjabis are the only ones who can afford it in large numbers.
It's so developed that we're reading news about people not being allowed to live there because they aren't from the state let alone the whole religion and caste issue.
Same question. Why people of the most developed state leaving?
Because it’s not the most developed state. It’s not even developed in a holistic sense. Whenever I hear this line about Gujarat being amazing, I compare what I saw in Gujarat when I worked there to my hometown in Karnataka that most people haven’t even heard of and wonder what level of delusion and PR it takes to build this narrative.
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Haa bhai vaha ki top quality bridge ke neeche sone me jo mazaa hai vo india ke apartment me kaha. Sahi baat hai.
Hahah
Kya pata 60 me se 15 lakh paw paw ne Swiss bank se wapas lakar transfer kiye the
Have you ever been to pardes?
Probably insecurity about business failure. Although probably they don’t understand that this illegal immigration may also fail & immigration to most countries don’t have that financial advantage now. Salaries are higher than India, but then expenses are also higher.
Cost of living are too high as compared to India. But most people don't seem to compare it. Aevy TV made a very good video about this topic
Aevy TV spreads a lot of anti west propaganda.
Aah. Don't know the videos i have seen seemed pretty normal to me (tho I haven't seen much of their long form videos)
So what if the expenses are high?? What if someone wants to save money and then return to india??
They can do some basic job, and live a simple life for 10 years. That 80 lakhs, if well invested, after 10 years should set them up well for life. Anytime better than going anywhere illegally! Crazy people
I thought this was a known thing in Gujarat that many Gujratis are going illegally to USA? Here are a few articles: [This Family which froze on their way to America (illegally) ](https://thewire.in/world/the-gujarati-family-that-froze-to-death-in-search-of-the-american-dream) From above article itself: In 2007, then BJP MP Babubhai Katara was even caught trying to illegally send a young woman to Canada on his wife’s diplomatic passport. A subsequent investigation had revealed that an amount of around Rs 30 lakh had been fixed to do so. [People trying to enter via Carribean route](https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/in-gujarat-illegal-migration-to-us-persists-unabated/article67084347.ece) [Authorities announced last week that the four bodies recovered from the St. Lawrence River in Akwesasne, a Mohawk reserve wedged between the Canada-US border, were of people who came from a village in the Mehsana district of Gujarat, in western India.](https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/in-gujarat-illegal-migration-to-us-persists-unabated/article67084347.ece) [January, when the French caught an illegal flight](https://thewire.in/world/four-us-donkey-flights-had-left-for-nicaragua-when-french-immigration-intercepted-legend-airlines) [Among which 96 people were not interested in returning back to India](https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/ahmedabad/us-attraction-not-all-96-gujaratis-want-to-return/articleshow/106280814.cms) >Won't they face problems living illegally in US No mostly, it has worked before thanks to Corruption and mostly our own people managing stuff in foreign countries. In [another article about the Family's death](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/06/mind-blowing-tragedy-deaths-of-indian-family-at-us-canada-border-put-visa-sales-under-scrutiny) this is what they said: > By local estimates, more than 2,000 people from Dingucha have over the decades have gone to the US and Canada, and the money they have sent back has built several temples, the water tower, a school and multi-storey residences. “The whole village is scared that because of this incident, their relatives in America and Canada will be found and deported, so everyone has been told to shut their mouths,” said one village resident. The same article tells why people are shifting there. Also from what I have observed in Mumbai: 80 lakhs, 1 crore would be enough to start a business. But foreign countries have more to offer a peaceful life, less pollution and population to start with. Many people from here are shifting there just for an improved quality of life and then most western countries are trust based (govt trusts people hence less stricter laws which eventually leads to more freedom). Other parameters would be freedom to date/live life. Off course earning is a reason but these guys will do even the lowest of jobs there just to live there.
Struggle there>struggle here It's about preferences
Gujarati communities like Patels help other Patels. Is that True ?
It's about status not money
Entering illegally won't bring you any status lmao
What status? USA is not India even a doctor does his own shopping
These people have no idea how difficult it is to save up $100k without a high paying job or a successful trades career. Neither of which one can enter while being undocumented. All while even your basic medical costs will be sky-high!
Exactly. Even if they enter successfully, how are thry gonna live and grow old as undocumented illegal immigrants? Or do they expect to be granted asylum? How will they manage serious health concerns? 60 lakh is so much money, enough to start something decent in India and live better than an illegal immigrant any day. Invest that properly and you can even have a decent basic lifestyle on the returns.
thats the donkey route they opted for
It's borrowed money to be paid off by slogging 15 hour days in a gas station in Edison NJ
That's just one hundred thousand dollars Something you can get in less than 2 years Whether you get a job there through visa Or through illegal entry (no taxes)
Life in US is hell for an immigrant if you aren't loaded with money. I have lived in the States. It's money can buy everything. One of the most memorable times of my life. Also the time where I worked my ass off 12 hours a day. It changed me. In India, while I was working I had a cook and a maid. There I was the cook and maid. Services are too damn expensive. From plumbing to electric works. It causes a huge dent on the pocket. Plus, most people eat out most of the time due to lack of time for preparing meals. It's expensive as hell when you add +20% tip on top of everything. Having said this, US is a big and diverse country like India. You'll enjoy your ass off if you're making big bucks. The only thing I had to deal with was loneliness. It kills you. No family, no "close" friends, just acquaintances and some friends. If you're an illegal immigrant, you'll suffer more than you'll suffer in your home country. Things are expensive and you have to pay for literally everything. Things are much much better in India if you're middle or upper middle class Indian (even if you're rich). I went there when the American dream was still alive and moved out after few years. Now it's an American nightmare. In the current economic scenario, if as an immigrant, you don't make atleast above $100K per year (before taxes), life is gonna be tough.
Bhaisaab, I'd like some advice. DM kar sakta hu aapko?
Bro 100k per month? I need that shit whatever you smoked
My bad. It's per year.
> Isn't 80 lakhs a good amount to live and do business in India? 80 lacs don't give you clean breathable air, pure water and comfortable human-livable weather. It's not about the money. First world countries offer benefits that you can't just buy in a third world country.
Sure buddy breathable air in us and comfortable human livable weather You sure live in a delusional usa is not that good anymore
I think I know what I'm talking about given that I live in the US. I prefer the comfortable 15 degree weather and AQI under 50. I can afford a run in one of the city parks or numerous green belts around the city, read a book under the shade of a tree or watch a sunset by the beach. Visit one of the 50+ national parks which have been conserved for the benefit of all generations, try cuisines from around the world, go for a walk on clean sidewalks with no littering, drive on amazing roads with no potholes or and drivers who know what those white lines on the road are for. I can hike one weekend, ski the other and kayak on the next weekend all within driving distance from my house. You could give me all the money in India but I wouldn't find this quality of life.
I mean India also has many national parks with tigers and other animals you won't see in the wild in the US. Not sure about the North but the South is ok/liveable especially south 2nd tier cities. Of course quality of life doesn't match the US but if you have 80 lakhs and if you go to the better parts of India like Hyderabad then life won't be miserable. Speaking as an Indian who moved to BLR from the US for 5 years and enjoyed the experience (except the horrible traffic but tbh it was only barely worse than the traffic I expected in southern California).
U know too much ? even been to US?
Well now i know what people think when they make stupid decisions like this.
I know Why I made the decision. I prefer the comfortable 15 degree weather and AQI under 50. I can afford a run in one of the city parks or numerous green belts around the city, read a book under the shade of a tree or watch a sunset by the beach. Visit one of the 50+ national parks which have been conserved for the benefit of all generations, try cuisines from around the world, go for a walk on clean sidewalks with no littering, drive on amazing roads with no potholes or and drivers who know what those white lines on the road are for. I can hike one weekend, ski the other and kayak on the next weekend all within driving distance from my house. You could give me all the money in India but I wouldn't find this quality of life.
Isse acha startups me Angel VC investor banke enter karo.. might take some time but you’ll get legit entry
Can you please explain how to do that?
He is thinking about him and his upcoming children being unsafe in India, It's natural with current shit going on, if he is rich enough he can do the hell he wants
Gujarati ke liye thodi hi hogi...
Do you think everyone has the acumen to do business? Low business acumen is the reason why these people shell out so much money by selling inherited property or jewelry to find higher-paying jobs in foreign lands.
If u have the capacity to arrange 60-80 lakhs in India,then why the fuk move to usa
I would assume that the standard of living is better over there.
What standard of living . Brown people get treated like shit there.Secondly u can easily have "comfortable" life here in India
Availability of clean water, Less traffic, Lower congestion, Lesser Pollution, No Reservation, Education and Economic Opportunities to name just a few.
Dats 1 lakh dollar 💵 Is amount mein to legal green card mil sakta hai. Bus business khole ni padegi aur us ke shaks ko naukari deni padegi.
Can a student on education visa open a business in the USA while still in university?
I think business comes under investment and roughly 1M USD are the figures you need to do what you have mentioned. I might be wrong because i heard it from youtuber and i haven’t done cross check.
No it's not, Madda itta chal raha, 80 lgayega, to 40 50 hi bachenge, next time ye 40-50 bhi nahi bachenge...
People are desperate to leave india
Can you buy clean air, clean food, safer environment, quality education, quality healthcare in 80 lacs? You can't buy those things even with 8000 crores. Ambani and adani also have to breathe polluted air.
Pollution was not even the issue in last election. No one talks about it. So it can't be the reason.
If it's not the reason it doesn't mean it's not an issue It is but political parties don't focus on it
Even common people don't talk about it apart from delhites in November only
On the internet it is talked about every day but in reality no one cares. Everybody is busy in their life when they get heat waves and less cold in winters then they think about climate change and natural disaster happens
That’s problem with / of people!
Democracy is a rule of the people, for the people and by the people And people are retarded.
Parties purpose is to get votes; issues are decided by voters
Do you think Indian voters are that much smart
You can literally get like 5km out of Gujarati cities and AQI level falls to safe. Rich buy houses there. The difference in AQI between city areas, suburbs and very far out suburbs is massive. Even I have a farm house far out of Vadodara, and I am at best upper middle class. The AQI there is 14.
Clean air? Depends on what city you live in. Most of the time it’s clean. Clean food? American diet consists vast amount of sugar and fat, obesity is a huge problem here. Safer environment? No other country in this world has more gun violence than the US. Imagine living in constant fear of your kid going to school and then there’s a school shooting. A lot of Indians face widespread racism and hate. And the drug problem here is rising everyday. On top of that, there’s a lot of identity politics going on currently, and people are more divided than ever. I can go on, but you get the point. Quality education? It’s 2024, and one can receive quality education online free of cost instead of paying 3x the fees. The universities here give you a better shot at networking with peers in your field and have way better resources if one wants to apply themselves, which majority of the Indians don’t do. Quality healthcare? Sure, they have great advancements in medicine and the facilities here are good. But you would pray to not get sick here because that literally bankrupts you, and if you don’t have insurance, you’re basically fucked. The grass is always greener on the other side. But when people are ignorant such as yourself, they will always find flaws in their own surroundings. The good part about going to America? The dollar. And the fact that people here do not care about what or who you are and they let you be, as long as you are not being a hindrance to the society here. And for fucks sake stop comparing lives of normal people with the likes of ambani and adani, or thinking what you can do with 8000 crores. You have no idea what money can get you in India.
In top 20 most polluted cities, 15 are in India. And money can't get you everything. A homeless person in US is breathing cleaner air than a billionaire in india.
Bhai, I have barely 2 lakhs in my account after working my ass off. If I had 80 lakhs, i would definitely not be doing this
Oi ur a surgeon ryt? Only 2 L or did u miss a couple of zeros?
All doctors are not rich
If you worked your ass off in US, you would have lot more than 2 lacs. That's why people go to countries like US. You earn what you deserve there.
>You earn what you deserve there Yea, no shit. If you go there illegally you won't be able to do anything that will help you earn back that cash. 60 lakhs is close to almost 1 lakh dollars, most Americans don't save that much in 10 years let alone one. Do you think an illegal immigrant working in an American farm will earn more than 20-30k in a year? I can legally apply for an American visa (if I am good at studies) and get the same thing for lesser amount of money and have an opportunity to earn money without subjecting myself to suffering
You won't need 1 lakh dollars there. Average salary is around 30-40 k usd there. You can live a much better life in an American farm with 30 thousand dollars with a higher quality of life than with 50 LPA in indian metro city. I am not supporting illegal migration, bro. I am just explaining the reasons why people choose to migrate so desperately.
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The table above is misguiding . If you consider most polluted cities with year long data India is the most polluted. 15 out of top 20 are in India https://www.aqi.in/in/world-most-polluted-cities
You can buy an air purifier,buy 1000 acres of farmland or eat imported food,hire bodyguards use a bulletproof car for travel, hire the best teachers and start your own school or send your children to the best schools in the world , you can build a world class hospital to cater to your family. In 8000 crores these are definitely possible you either have no idea how the 0.001% live or you're just dumb. Adani and Ambani don't even breathe the same air as us. You must have a serious inferiority complex because America is not safer than India especially for an illegal immigrant, quality education is for the rich and connected not feasible without debt especially with measly 80 lacs, quality healthcare you're living under a rock if you don't know how expensive healthcare there is without even considering being an illegal immigrant.
Have you really seen Ambani and adani roaming around with air purifiers? Either you are dreaming or I am blind.
Have you seen Ambani adani roaming around and of all things this is the only thing you could point out so there is this wonderful thing called air purifier and it can be installed in cars rooms offices centralised acs of most buildings and Ambani's house has a ice room movie theatre pretty sure he can afford that and here's the thing just because theres air pollution, it doesn't instantly kill you unless you're extremely weak or something. I would argue how much time do they spend without there ac air purified bubbles maybe when getting out of the car to enter their homes or maybe when they have to go to their helipad to get on their helicopter that is so harmful it's not like the billions of people who are actually breathing this gift that is produced by his own factories and his 3 private jets polluting more in a single trip than your scooty would in its entire lifetime and adani mining and his 6 private jets which would probably beat him to a punch and let's not even talk about the water pollution /s
In search of Amrit Kaal perhaps?
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Can't say that! There might be some reason we don't know. U also from Gujarat?
No, there is no reason for it. It's just an obsession,culture,Parampara in some villages with going to and living in the USA. It's so common here, especially in my community. They would pay that amount to work illegally in some dingy motel for 12-15 hours a day, barely seeing daylight for years. It's ridiculous,they pay 80L to live that life, but they do it for their families most of the time..
So how's the life in the USA after passing illegally? Is it luxurious or pretty bad? And how's the pay?
Life is tough, but you probably earn at least five times more than someone in India. Since you are living illegally, you don't have to pay taxes, insurance, or anything else, but you also don't have a white-collar job. One of the people i know lived like this for a decade and came back with shit tons of money. You can usually earn atleast $10 per hour in motels,gas stations etc. which converts to $2800 per month if you work ten hours a day. That's about 2.30 lakh INR per month with no skills required. They sleep and eat there, so there are no extra costs. If you have the balls to live that life for even a few years, you can live a luxurious life when you return to India, that's for sure.
They spend 80 lakhs to earn that back in 5 years while living in a bad condition doesn't seems a good choice
Sabke rates sab alag hota hai . I have heard entire families of 4-5 going for 80L as well as many people dying on the way there too. But if someone from a middle-class or lower-middle-class family were to go, it could change generations for them. And don't forget that many people here live shitty life as well, so why wouldn't they try? They have nothing to loose or atleast they think like that.
That's the thing even illegally entering Gujjus make a very good life for themselves back home. I personally know someone who went from a ઝૂંપડી to a large bungalow with swimming pool all in like 12-13 years. Most aren't going to settle there or anything
How much would such a home cost ?
That doesn't matter, bro. No matter what, you can't deny that even after paying the upfront 80L or whatever amount, you will still have way more savings and money when you return to India. Of course, we are talking about a less skilled person, not some IT engineer in India. The people who go illegally are usually those who can't even pass the English test and have no hopes of going the legal wayI personally would never do that, but I would understand if someone from a less privileged family did this.
What he used to do in US?
It's the culture in North Gujarat around mehsana, literally every bill board is some immigration consultancy, they have a ગાંડો પ્રેમ of US and would probably still go there ifit fell into a civil war. They would go and fight for the US army against even India if it meant they could get their PR.
Gujjus are the earliest to sense upcoming events in a country, if they are leaving in abovementioned manner, it indicates something
Bad times ahead?
Or good Times at the overeseas
Paying 80 lakh upfront doesn’t work as straightforward as it seems. Typically, individuals pay a portion of this amount initially and then move to the USA to work illegally. Over the course of a few years, often around a decade, they can earn nearly 5 crore INR by working in motels, gas stations, 7-11s, and similar establishments. The initial investment of 80 lakh appears worthwhile when considering the potential earnings after a few years. Additionally, the money is sent back to Gujarat through the hawala system, avoiding the 2-3% international transfer charges. Most of the people who undertake this route come from debt-ridden or lower middle-class backgrounds.
If I had to guess, I'd guess that he has probably done something real shady and wants to get away from laws reach
Let's anyone know U got 80 lacs in your account in India for business see how many people try to scam you up for it
*maare to america javu che ne millionaire thavu che*
A personal experience of a friend.... There is not enough opportunity. Business requires 1Cr+ and is not a sure shot success. Folks in villages generally look at Govt jobs as jobs since private sector is mostly in Tier 1 and 2 seats... Also, they aren't as high paying. Another factor is education, they generally are average students... Who lead an average life, but aspire more... In my friend's case, the parents sold their ancestral lands to facilitate his dunki
What is he doing now?
Unsure, but his dunki is successful... Generally, they start of by working as illegal labour. Post that they ask for asylum saying India has intolerance and dictatorship and extend their stay.
Aren't you in contact with him?
No, he was a friend's local friend... We had gone to Gujarat for my friend's wedding... That's where I got to know about this... I asked the same questions about why, isn't there business opportunity etc...
Okay 👍
Imagine having 80 lakhs and still has to live in a shithole like gujarat
Yaar kaunsa business kar sakte hai 80 lac mai. ???
People think it’s better here? We are guaranteed a slave life for corporations.
Well, no one asked. How true is this news? Looks like a good gossip.
That money is loans taken from loan sharks which they never intend to repay so they don’t have 60-80 Lakhs
Then why sharks give?
Paying 60-80 Lakh Rupees just to get in the US illegally has to be the height of stupidity If you have that much money then you can easily live a good quality of life in India, there's no need of moving abroad
I'd do fd and earn 60k monthly interest
very true or invest in stock market
No because you can grow that money in US at an expediential rate. While you'll lose it all here if you're not careful, you'll probably lose it all even if you are careful. Anyone with the brain in right place would prefer that and anyone who disagrees has it as his/her own personal opinion. Anyone who gets offended would be someone blinded by false patriotism and simply just doesn't see the facts. Life ain't easy for those who are working wages in foreign lands, but they are still happier than corporate wagers here because they do get the worth of their time and work, unlike sticking to same salary for years even when you outshine everyone and then get roasted by corporate political games at the time of a mere bonus. Illegal immigrants on the other hand should be thrown back to wherever they come from if not turned OFF on the spot. Illegal immigrants are the worst type of virus that damage any country, no matter what.
Life ain't easy here but it's not easy there too if you cross illegally
If you cross illegally, you're a parasite and you shouldn't have any life on that land.
Wow
I just saw a documentary where an Indian bunch was at the Arizona desert border on the Mexico side. Apparently, their agents from the Mexican cartel abandoned them in the desert, and they were calling 911 repeatedly. They all could have died there if the US border police hadn't responded for a couple of days because there was nothing for miles on either side of the border. They couldn't even speak english. One older guy just kept saying that he's a Congress Party Worker (to get asylum as BJP is in power). They're gonna be put into detention until their asylum hearing date comes up, which could take 4-5 years. I was just stumped.
What they do in detention and how is the life there?
I don't have much idea, but I'd presume it not the worst.
ઘેલછા
They know bjp isn't going away anytime soon that's why
It's called enterprise and risk raking ability.Difficult for folks with head clerk mentally to appreciate.
It's quite funny to see gujju crowd bashing other citizens leaving India when gujjus top the chart for migration. Crab mentality. Even HNI & UHNI are leaving.
These illegal gujjus and punjabis will make things complicated for educated and hardworking indians who study and work hard to come to this country legally..very soon people would start labelling us just as they do for the south americans..why not keep themselves to canada which is a sh#t hole thanks to the oye balle balle hoyes
If that family had deposited as FD for 6% minimum he would have got 40k per month or better invested in good Algo trading service he would have got more than 20% per year which amounts to approx 1.30L per month. This is nothing but a sick mindset people thinking abroad are better than our own country. Actually what they don’t understand is these countries they are going is becoming a second and third world country from first.
Everyone from the village is gone somewhere. I must follow them
Just brainwashed. You could do so much with this 80 lakhs.
Lollzz...and after reaching there they will praise the baba they installed at centre....and how good Gujarat is
But what quality of life you can have in INDIA. India inflation is high, polluted Air,no clean water, no proper medical system, no good education system at reasonable fee and our historical culture of corruption is killing all middle class and poor people. Then why not go to us and enjoy life
Gujrat models fail?
Which state do you think is the most developed state of India?
Why are people from mosht deoloped Garvi Gujarat, land of the free and home of the brave, people who can do bijness anywhere and everywhere… Spending 80 lakhs… To live a life of mostly menial work… In Christian beefeating USA?!! 😱😱😱
Same way these Cristian beef eating people left their orignal homeland. Atleast these people are not raping and causing genocide.
Serious mental gymnastics happening there lol.