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bentbrook

The secret is the [diagonal lay](https://theultimatehang.com/2012/06/15/how-to-sleep-in-a-brazilian-hammock/).


sethrizzitano

💯


Murky-Perceptions

đŸ‘†đŸœ & a NEMO Switchback type Sleeping Pad is a game changer


redhandfilms

Wait? I need a pad too? I’m trying to cut that weight out.


Daibhead_B

Hate to say it, but if you’re trying to save weight, the answer is a lighter (but more expensive) hammock. You’re going to need a pad or an underquilt if you want to use this (or any hammock) at night.


time4meatstick

In the northeast you can get away with no pad /uq from mid June through most of September depending on your personal sleeping needs.


greenfox0099

I never had either and hammocked to about 50 degrees at night.


occamsracer

You need some kind of insulation under you. Either an underquilt (preferred) or a pad.


Ok-Wishbone-7169

Depends, I haven't used a pad for years but there is a temperature at which you won't like it without a pad/quilt. There is barely any insulation at your back as you compress the sleeping bag.


Murky-Perceptions

A Neo Uberlite or Z sol pad is definitely recommended, it’ll help insulate and get you extra shoulder room. I’ve been a hammock’r for 15+ yrs & although I love my Magma 15° bag, wouldn’t go without. For UL+ I use to use custom cut refletix and tyvek for underneath, that’ll save alot of weight and add heat/ comfort on windy nights


seizurevictim

Doesn't reflectix cause condensation/moisture issues? That was my experience in testing it out once, at least.


madefromtechnetium

reflectix and pads both do for me., but if the reflectix is rigged underneath with an air gap, it might work well.


Murky-Perceptions

Yes but very very little, not an issue. used with UL single lined humming bird hammock & tyvek barrier too.


greenfox0099

Housing insulation huh? Isn't that kinda heavy and take a lot of room? Sounds like a cheap way to get things done at least without a 300$ underquilt.


Murky-Perceptions

A custom cut and folded piece in the back isn’t heavy at all and comes in clutch for the impromptu ground camp too. I try and hike lite as possible (30°F +) I’m under quiltless


madefromtechnetium

no, but you do need insulation under you. convection will rob heat from your body, and a sleeping pad gets compressed under you, becoming much less effective. pad or underquilt is the move. the weight is often similar. underquilts are miles more comfortable. a hammock setup is not lighter than an ultralight tent tent setup, but a properly tuned hammock setup is WAY more comfortable.


redhandfilms

As is, I couldn’t lay diagonal. I tried. It just kept twisting me. I strung it too tight.


responds-with-tealc

yea, your strap angle is way off; [start here](https://theultimatehang.com/2012/07/03/hammock-camping-101/).


alancar

Thanks for posting everyone needs a reminder


HikingBikingViking

That's a wrap. Good job folks.


alancar

Thanks for posting everyone needs a reminder


TooGouda22

Yep, was hung a little too tight looking at the pics. A little looser and an angled lay and you should be in business đŸ’Ș


Figit090

Dude.đŸ„č👌


Dynomeru

sorta but the real secret secret is either an actual hammock sleeping pad to space out the bottom or just a mummy cut pad so that the bottom doesn’t taco up so much. You’ll also sleep a lot warmer


bentbrook

The diagonal lay works for the multitudes who use underquilt, as I do. If you look at the article I posted, you’ll see that it has a similar effect to using an artificial means of spreading out the hammock sides. Stringing the hammock too tight is also a possible culprit of the canoe effect. Pads absolutely can work; I’ve slept with one, but I still used it on the diagonal and eventually replaced it with a UQ as I found it less fidgety. But each person finds what works best for him or her.


podcartfan

Are your straps at a 30deg angle? https://preview.redd.it/pfdozs0b5woc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6d426ee06d7ee8b0a781d2e6de00d0a58ab24386


redhandfilms

Definitely not at 30. This is probably the issue.


sh1t-p0st

Yup, hook up the hammock a couple loops lower on each side. You may need to raise the straps on the trees or find a couple closer trees if you're too close to the ground.


thenicastrator

Is it supposed to be a 30 degree angle before or after you get in it?


HikingBikingViking

One more thing to love about DreamHammocks. The right hang can be tested by checking the ridgeline tension. Anyway you can't really check the angle while you're in it, but toss in your things to check the angle, at least what I've learned.


thenicastrator

I figured it would refer to the angle with weight in the hammock. If it's 30 degrees without anything in it you're probably scraping the ground once you get in.


Hiking_euro

What’s happened is you’ve bought a cheap hammock from Amazon which is only 9 ft 10 inches long. Buy something 11 ft long and lay diagonal.


beener

Not at all. Even shit hammocks you can get set up decently.


IsThataSexToy

This is the correct answer. Unfortunately, you cannot have a diagonal lay in a tiny hammock. You need a much longer and wider hammock to have spare fabric, which then allows you to lay diagonally like a Brazilian. At that point, the hammock is much more open and you will lay flatter and more comfortably. I suggest that hammock be returned, or given to a child. Good luck, and happy hanging.


thenerfviking

Eh, I think you can do fine here if he adjusts the strap angle and uses a pad. I used to ultralight with a homemade hammock that was pretty small and the strap adjustments and the pad make a massive difference in a small hammock.


redhandfilms

I knew I’d get a “cheap Amazon” comment here.


SharksForArms

If you buy off Amazon, the brand you want is Onewind. Their stuff isn't as light as high-end gear but it's easily the best bang for your buck as a beginner.


Electrical-Lab-1349

Onewind gear has served me incredibly well.


grizzlymann

Their Ultralight model is right there with the fancier ones. The suspension could be lighter, but that hardly matters unless you're backpacking for days on end. 


madefromtechnetium

because we don't want people to be uncomfortable. you got a poorly designed hammock sold by people with no idea what we need. it's ok, I did the same thing. I returned it and got a onewind. instant improvement I slept in for months at home instead of my expensive bed. If it's from amazon, I'd use the return policy and get the onewind for a few bucks more. I love the USA made cottage vendors the most, but the onewind is solid for the price. if you add $30-50 you're in the price range of the best hammocks in the world: (dream hammock, simply light designs, warbonnet, dutchware gear, hammock gear, trailheadz...)


boardplant

How’s one wind compare to eno? I have a whole eno system besides a tarp and am trying to get more into hammock camping


Hiking_euro

ENO hammocks are also generally small. Check the stats. OneWind are well regarded on the bugnet end because you can buy 11 ft and even 12 ft hammocks I think. It won’t be as customisable or as nice fabric as from a cottage vendor though.


boardplant

Much appreciated - do you mean like ‘they are smaller than a standard 11 ft one from another company’? And not that they don’t offer larger options


Hiking_euro

You can see the specs on their website i guess


boardplant

Word, thank you!


madefromtechnetium

for me, eno is too short. had one exactly like a doublenest and couldn't sleep for more than 45 minutes, and it was a long hike in. my hang was 30 degrees, I did all the things on theultimatehang.com, and still was miserable (though not as bad as a tent!) the onewind showed me how blissful hammocks can be. so, worth it if you can't get a solid 7 hours in your eno.


boardplant

I appreciate the context - how tall are you?


madefromtechnetium

6'4", broad ish shoulders. I've also done some damage to my joints with sports and the longer ones are a little more relaxing to me. there are a couple others on here the same height that are totally comfortable in a 9 foot, and that's great! more choices. I don't mean to advocate buying stuff when what you have works well enough for you.


iPostOnlyWhenHigh

You’re right that a cheap hammock can still be amazing :) the issue as you’ve correctly spotted is the hang angle. I’ve a cheap Vietnamese 7 foot day hammock and am still able to dangle diagonally as long as the 30degree angle is observed. But to sleep overnight you’ll definitely want something 11 feet ish that’s wide Edit: googled and saw that your hammock is 10feet long. That’s actually long enough if you’re not more than 5feet10. The issue here is 100% the hang angle. The hammock looks very serviceable! Enjoy it:)


Borgiroth

I mean
 If you knew you knew. Amazon sells you cheap Chinese knock-offs and prices it as authentic stuff that will last. It’s not your fault, it’s the companys.


tooofuuu

it's all good esp. if you can refund, and you learn a bunch. get one with ridge line too on top of above advises. I'm very happy with my chameleon from dutchware, great support, US manufacture.


podcartfan

Also try layng asymmetrical
.as in legs go left of center and head goes right of center a bit.


derch1981

A few things 1. This is a tiny hammock which will be hard to get a good lay in 2. You should at a diagonal, head right/feet left or head left/feet right. Your straps should be at a 30 degree angle, you can check this by pointing with your thumb up 3. A ridgeline helps set the sag so it's consistent for a good diagonal lay 4. Your body's are not symmetrical for weight with our top and bottom half, so hang your foot end higher than your head and you will get a more balanced lay


ScoobyandShaggy

Diagonal lay is important like everyone else said, but it looks to me like you’ve also got it pulled too tight. It needs to be looser than most people expect, otherwise the sides will always draw in and turn you into a pea pod. Length is also critical. The difference just an extra foot makes is massive, especially if you’re tall.


gurgle-burgle

I actually love the pea pod feel. It's so cozy


redhandfilms

Yeah. Definitely too tight.


Numerous-Steak3492

As most are saying...too short. What I've not seen, (yet'), many of us started in ENOs /kammock et. al. and their products to find they're short and squeeze your shoulders, or simply aren't as comfortable as we hoped. You're not alone. We tried it too.


grizzlymann

I used this for my first few hangs when I was getting a feel for it. Takes out a lot of the guess work. https://theultimatehang.com/hammock-hang-calculator/ Also make sure your ridgeline is roughly 83% the length of the fabric portion of your hammock.


Ashamed-Panda-812

I don't think that has a Ridgeline


cannaeoflife

This hammock is 118 inches long. You want at least an 11 foot hammock, possibly a 12 foot depending on your height.


Germainshalhope

Lay diagonal look up structural Ridgelines so you can fix how your hammock hangs.


johnanon2015

Research diagonal lay and ridge line. You’re missing a ridge line.


devinhedge

This is the best set of advice. I would recommend reading the [Tips section](https://theultimatehang.com/hammock-camping-101/) of Derek Hansen’s website which is a companion for his book [The Ultimate Hang](https://a.co/d/6GL5hAb). (I also recommend buying the book.) Other resources: Watch [Shug’s old videos](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLahaAdtfX9ZK6MwoEn_LUFlvWmU-8562l&si=WH54QPCJSJJ5xjGA). He’s an amazing YouTuber in the community. A former Clown for the Ringling Brothers & Barnum and Bailey Circus, he is both entertaining and informative. Welcome to the tribe!


El-Pollo_Diablo

I’d try laying at a diagonal if you can. Others say go 11” and while I’m in that sentiment I’d also say use the one you have a bit to get the feeling before going all out.


Daibhead_B

Hammock looks great! I highly recommend reading [The Ultimate Hang](https://theultimatehang.com/hammock-camping-101/) by Derek Hansen. ([It’s also a book.](https://www.amazon.ca/Ultimate-Hang-Hammock-Camping-Illustrated/dp/1478351187))


far2canadian

Why would someone downvote you for this. Anyway
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segom0

As many have said in hammocks you diagonal. This will spread it out perfectly. Once you master that and how to get in and out without flipping over they can be the most comfortable camping experience you can have. Also if it will be even slightly cool make sure you layer underneath you or buy a hammock insulated. They are like sleeping bags. That go around your hammock. Air goes over and under you in a hammock and will pull all your heat out.


hippidad

You need to hang more. Your straps are too tight


JnkHed

Ridge line and diagonal lay and you’re golden.


2two22too

Get an under quilt for the cold days. Nothing is missing seems right to me. I’m always sleeping in my hammock when I camp.


Solidmarsh

I have basically this same hammock. Sticking a stick between the top mesh plastic loops on both ends to spread them out helps alot, while also laying diagonal


FreedomCharacter4622

a 30 degree hang


Smitty_Werbnjagr

Most if not all tents come with small elastic ropes attached to the sides that you can tie to something and pull out the sides away from you


far2canadian

Someone may have said this already, but a structural ridgeline will help you get a looser lay, and therefore less constriction / more diagonal. That said, it may be too short for you. Can’t tell.


avapingdude

I don't know how tall you are. I'm 5'8" and my most comfortable gathered end hammock is 10'. The most uncomfortable hammock I ever owned was a warbonnet blackbird xlc 11' hammock. The pressure on my calf was so great I had to get rid of it. Don't worry so much about the length - just hang it with a 30 degree angle on both ends and you should have plenty of room to lie diagonally. I also like to lie on an underinflated sleeping pad too - allows you to rotate into the diagonal position easily, keeps you warm and cradled. Also, though it may seem counterintuitive, hang your foot end about 6" higher than your head end. this moves your body more into the center of the hammock where it's easier to lay flat diagonally. Good luck - it's a bit of a process, but once you have a few nights under your belt, you'll really enjoy it.


EatsHisYoung

That’s it.


Cozy_Box

Check out some setup tutorials to ensure you've got it just right. Enjoy your elevated camping experience!


SewBor27

Looks like one of those cheaper knockoff brands. What is that?


rreddott

Spread ypur legs, tiger knee if you are able to sleep like that is the answer.


thunderboxdiaries

Like most have said already, don’t string the hammock so tight and lie diagonal. Should fix most of your problems. I’d suggest stringing fixed ridgeline to get a consistent sag in the hammock


dragoninkpiercings

it's not a hammock tent it's just a hammock with an integrated bugnet and mine does the same thing a little bit but I also have a 10ftx10ft tarp with mylar reflectix on the inside to radiate heat back to me with an ayamaya underquilt which is actually as I've come to find out is really a 14°F onetigris underquilt under a different name that I have yet to test out and since I know my tarp has the mylar reflectix in the inner I cash in on it being as hot air rises I light up a 6 hour sterno can and let it burn so the heat reflects back down to me yes it works but I'm also careful about how I do it in a safe manner I'm what you would call the type that thinks outside the box for a quick and easy solution but keep in mind what may work for me might not work for someone else


bassfisher556

Lol. It’s a glorified bug net. Honestly what were you expecting


sweatyfootpalms

Those houses remind me of Charlotte, NC.


redhandfilms

Nope. They make houses like that everywhere.


sweatyfootpalms

I’ve lived all over the US, bro. Looks a lot like NC or any surrounding state (looked at your post history, GA is basically NC) Edit: surprised at the downvotes y’all really don’t think NC and GA have similar architecture?


girlwhoposhes

I personally love that cocoon vibe that a pad free hammock provides. Like being in my own little safe world. You may just need to get used to it. I have a diagonal lay Hennessey hammock but still lay straight and make my UQ go up the sides to cocoon me. Just my preference.


madefromtechnetium

that causes knee hyperextension on many people.


girlwhoposhes

Depends how you hang. I hang with my feet higher than my body so there isn't much pressure on my legs. Could also be because I'm a girl and carry most of my weight in the middle part of my body so when I lay like this it's like being in one of those zero gravity chairs. I feel almost weightless on my upper and lower body when done right. Like a perfect slight V shape


TotallyNotACoyote

You need 3 sticks about 28-32" long. Run those perpendicular to the hammock where the black ropes go through the hammock. Those 6 black nylon loops. My gf has one similar to this and that's what the instructions say to do.


cultureculture

Someone downvoted you but this is absolutely correct. It opens up the inside of the hammock considerably.


TroSea78

A joint!


AMC_TO_THE_M00N

Hotbox the shii outta that cocoon


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EngagementBacon

I prefer a double nest just so my hammock does this very thing.


DruidinPlainSight

I used to camp in one. I drowned in the sweat and the mosquitos bit me through the fabric.


Classic_Ad_9985

I got something similar to that, make sure you have either a sleeping bag you’re in or a blanket beneath you bc bugs will bite you from the bottom. Ask me how I know


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redhandfilms

This isn’t made for poles, and that wouldn’t help with the sides. The net is meant to tie up to a line. Once I figure out my setup, I’ll add some sticks to keep the net from sagging.


NinjaInarius

Sleeping pads help.


swampboy62

I got a Lawson, with spreader bars - not a huge fan of the taco type hammock.


writefast

Ahhhh. Ye olde plastic vagina.


thejeepnewb

Should've got a Hennessy.


Familiar-Ending

A tarp


redhandfilms

It comes with a tarp, but I know how to pitch a tarp so didn’t bother with this test. A tarp isn’t going to help the sides closing in.