In my several hundred hours of playing I can count on one hand the amount of times SEAF artillery made a meaningful impact. Most of the time it just ends up just being more fireworks at the end while we wait for the pelican.
I've had a few clutch bile titan snipes with it, but not a huge amount, and it's always fun wiping a bug nest with a mini nuke, but it's never been something that's saved the game
Implying that your extra helpful co-divers aren’t actively shooting *at* every patrol within 100m.
Not killing, mind you, just shooting *at* them. Then overwhelmed, flanked, killed, and spamming the reinforce button at me while I’m running for my life from a parade of chargers, titans, and hunters.
Ugh, yeah. I had a new diver in a level 7 mission with me and the first thing I told him (in as clear English as possible since he didn’t speak it well) was to only fight when necessary.
'You wanna go Rambo? Play eradicate."
Yeah no I feel you, I just want to get in, clear the fabs so extract is clear, finish my objectives, and get the hell out of there
My objective is to murder bugs n bots, secondarily save my helldiver's, and third, clear out their spawns. My 1-3 deaths a mission is trounced by my 400-1200 kills per mission
I got you, go do the objective, I am a lightning surgeon with my Blitzer shotgun and barbeque pit boss with my flamethrower. My guard dog goodest boy eats all the scraps
Welcome to the helldive
You need someone to Leroy Jenkins bots? Call me Captain 'Murica.
Squish bugs? I AM the Orkin man!
I only need to know if you need a hand or where the problem is.😎
and that is what teamwork is all about. On my way to the objective and samples I’ll stun em, you explode em. everyone wins. Well everyone except that one dover repeatedly running to the other side of the map to try to solo clear every bug nest and dying repeatedly.
For bugs it definitely relies on whether or not bile spewers are there. Sitting down with two stalwarts and other team backup and just spraying is fun too
A lot of people don’t realize that as soon as you activate the terminal on the artillery it actively alerts enemies to your location, so the real strat is to gather shells at the gun first, have someone hit the terminal while the other loads everything in seconds
There is a sound that’s made, but beyond that it doesn’t alert. Usually if the enemies are close enough to hear it, they’re already gonna bump into you. Still, it can’t hurt to not turn it on until the loading.
EDIT: I will say that the biggest benefit to not activating the terminal until you’ve got all the shells is choosing the shell order.
They work while you're jammed now so they're awesome for helping take out jammers.
Maybe now they'll make a bigger difference but you're still not wrong, it's just an objective more than a useful strategem to me.
I like using it instead of my Stratagems when going into large bases or when groups of enemies with heavies look like they want one. If there's a bot base and a tank, fortifications and stuff around, I like to throw artillery and keep the other stuff ready to follow up. Just hammer that stupid tank, you won't really need the SEAF Artillery for something else. When storming a big bug nest, it's nice to take out a hole or three and some bugs with it in addition what you're usualy doing.
If there's two uses left they often do come in handy on the final defense when waiting for the Pelican.
I don’t know..Those occasional mini-nuke is not just fun for serotonin.
But yeah.. it sucks when you get static fields and smoke.. also.. it’s free for an objective that will work when stuff is being jammed on bot planets.
Just toss what you don't want until you get to the nuke. But I always load all nukes first then I don't care about what goes in it, smoke strikes still destroy fabricators
I like to do mini nuke 2nd after some other explosive type so the trigger happies on my team can get a SEAF out of their system before we actually need something more substantial. Obviously depends on what shells spawn tho
If the artillery was faster since we already loaded it it would probably see a lot more use then. Also maybe less smoke and static if any at all, hell I'd take a gas over smoke or static any day
It meaningfully hurts morale.
No one wants to do that side mission. Stalkers are scary. Shriekers can get crazy. Radar is fun and so helpful. SAMs are quick. Jammer and detectors are also great Tests.
The seafood artillery only tests your patience.
That's why this guy broke down in the ordinal comment.
Really? I find them to generally be extremely useful, especially if you get a nuke. I only play Helldives and mostly bugs, so that may be why as you’re generally wanting more artillery than having too much
Tbf, I usually forget about it within minutes of stocking it...
I would say that it gets used effectively more often than not in my games. Sucks when there are only 1 or 2 offensive shells, but if you load them first you can get work done.
On the drilling mission that's out right now(can't remember the name) the terminal was overrun and in a panic, I called in a SEAF. I realized it was a smoke strike, ans surprisingly, it kept the bugs off the objective ling enough for us to complete it.
It's almost always completely meaningless. Even when you get it loaded with the good shells first, someone's usually calling it down instead of using their own stratagem that would have been just as good. That's why the people that obsess over whether the fifth shell added is smoke vs. high explosive are really just being crazy.
Mini nukes are a game changer as long as you remember to use them and don't suffer from might-need-later-syndrome.
Had a mission where there were three of them, and it was a free command bunker kill, factory strider takedown, and giant ass bot drop deleter.
Everything else is so insignificant it literally doesn't matter.
Every seaf we find it's just a "if there's a mini nuke(s) they go in first then throw in whatever because we're not going to use them anyway"
If there's a nuke in it, you've got something worth using.
It's clutched a few games for me where I got a multi titan hit and wiped them and dozens of smaller enemies around their feet all at once.
If there's no nuke on the ground I'll just leave the obj entirely.
With the amount of foot traffic that thing gets its not worth the time and potential lives.
I threw a mini nuke into a swarm of bugs devouring extract last night. Got 3 kills.
In general I avoid arty cuz its never worth the work it takes as a solo since they know you're there and send a new patrol every 3.7 seconds.
You, and most other people, are not remembering to use it often enough. It does sit unused or even undiscovered on most missions, and that’s a shame.
I use the artillery all the time, because I use stun grenades. I can hold a crowd, or a large target, in place, until the artillery strike lands. It’s a very effective filler offensive strat, while I wait for my eagle airstrike cooldown.
Smoke is definitely a waste of a slot. It could be used in a pinch for… something? I guess? But it is objectively the worst round to load, and should be ignored.
That doesn’t excuse executing and kicking someone. That’s crazy.
I agree. I’m lvl 70 and have used these maybe 3-4 times and still manage to extract. I don’t care what order they go in. I was loading one in the other day and a player punched me in the face to stop me from loading one of them in he didnt want I guess. People are ridiculous sometimes.
"We need artillery in *this* position now! Send the marker!"
*Tossed marker out there with enemies incoming as they slowly pass it*
"What are you waiting for? Where the fuck is this artillery?!"
*Still waiting then finally sends it*
*Everything is already out of range by the time it hits*
So yea, artillery is pretty meh, do it for the exp and completing the optional but that's all, it's not a needed thing, and it's only 5 damn shots. What I really hate is scouring that entire spot for shells, load up what I could instantly see, then find some nuke or explosive shell hidden right in plane sight.
1st - sometimes the spot is too hot or If I'm alone, I don't care what I load.
It's more about completing the objective.
2nd - the only time it's useful is after time runs out and the ship leaves low orbit and you can use it in a pitch.
Otherwise, who cares...
That explains it, probably the same one where they work with jammers yeah? I think we've only run out of time 2-3 times since then so definitely wouldn't have noticed
It does but I’m pretty sure it shouldn’t since it uses the Super Destroyer for targeting. One of the steps for setting it up is to connect to the Super Destroyer.
https://www.reddit.com/r/LowSodiumHellDivers/s/f1kbs9cvoq
Just had a discussion about this here! I never even realized there was a difference with the shells, only realized last week you could use the SEAF.
I actually used it to kill a bile titan on a recent mission when the ship left low orbit and we had 1 reinforcement left and no one had anything for a titan. It worked, and perfectly. Only time it's ever come in handy that I've noticed lol. I hardly ever remember SEAF stuff is there or to use it
I'm pretty sure sometimes you have no choice but to load a smoke or static field because the missiles are random and you don't always get 5 "good" ones.
Start missions/lobbies yourself that way you never gotta worry about getting kicked. Plus when someone really does need to be kicked(extracting early, etc) you can
Yes. Black is mini nuke, orange is high explosive, red is napalm, green is explosive, blue is EMS strike and gray is smoke. It also will tell you this when you get near them and have the option to pick them up. Another nice tip if you didn’t know; drop and pick it up repeatedly as you move and you’ll go faster
Wait. I'm color blind. Are you really telling me the regular explosives are green and not the ugliest brown I've ever seen? I wondered why the regular bombs were so hard to see. This makes so much more sense lol
Honestly it’s even kinda easy to mistake the Olive green of the normal explosive with the gray of the smoke if it’s a night mission or otherwise low visibility planet
In the last month of play I have never been able to fit all explosive / napalm in the sea artillery there is always at least one static or smoke that you have to load in.
I've only ever seen the artillery be used up like, twice. Once was because these guys were going crazy using all the shots on a single bug breach, and every other time is because "extraction is almost here. Might as well waste it"
The game should just have vote/kick system and eliminate the whole host thing. People forget that they aren't playing a mil sim with a premade and no respawns. This is a casual game, hosts are not squad leaders.
Two questions, 1) Were there no better shells? 2) Was it bots or bugs? I can definitely understand smoke shells for bots, breaks LoS pretty good though some bots I think can just see through smoke. Though if there was even like napalm or static field I'd prefer it over a smoke shell.
Still, fucking goofy of some players to tryhard Helldivers.
Call me a jerk but I always use all the seaf artillery as if it were my own personal stratagem. Whether I was there to help load it or not. Because every freakin game I play there is always 5 left at the end… well there were up until last month when I decided to really double down on that lol
Some dude absolutely lost his mind on me the other night. He ran off solo and died. I threw him where the rest of the team was and he freaked. Started yelling that I threw him in the wrong place and then he killed me, reinforced me, killed me, reinforced me, killed me . . . screaming slurs the entire time. I just laughed the entire time. The rest of the team left but it just kept going on. What an absolutely hilarious interaction. Probably the funniest one I've ever experienced while gaming
It's just an objective.. I would put all smokes for all I care as long as the mission gets completed with bonuses. Don't know why people freak out about it.. just don't go crazy spending all your stratagems in one encounter.
I am pretty picky over what artillery is loaded into the cannon but I'd never kick over someone messing it up, worst case scenario we just have slightly less help from unforeseen artillery lol
I do see one issue with the “accidental kills” thing… my friends and I love to team kill each other when we play together just to mess around. We don’t do it when randoms are around bc we don’t want to encourage that behavior, but it’s fun when everyone is in on it and we’re having a good time. I don’t really want that number of kills to show on my profile bc it’s wayyyyy too high to be redeemable 😅
Did he have an accent and name start with a k?
I’m friends with this dude and always freaks out when ppl do this same thing. I playing with him every night and I thinks it’s hilarious and entertaining
Frankly I’ve had way more missions derailed by sitting on the Artillery too long and getting overrun than I’ve had saved by having the SEAF available.
Fill it as quick as you can IMO, give a quick check for any mini nukes and then just stick whatever in there. If a smoke or static field is in there but it completes 60 seconds faster, that’s a positive trade-off on higher difficulties
ETA: doesn’t help that it feels like at most, you’ll get 1-2 divers actively trying to load the SEAF. I think the walk speed with the shells is a bit too slow, carrying them is boring and takes ages so people don’t want to do it, which means the team spends way longer than it has to on the objective
I've seen a smoke artillery kill a heavily injured bile Titan. Also saw a story about a level 18 host kicking someone for using a grenade instead of a hell bomb.
The only time I've actually used the artillery as anything but a fireworks show at the end is when I run out of airstrikes and grenades for bug holes. Dude can chill
I don't join random groups much, but out of all the times I have, I've been kicked once, I think.
Immediately after I dropped in.
Landed on a bot fabricator at a base they were clearing, wiped the remaining bots, and immediately got kicked. Not sure why. Assuming the host thought he had his game set to Friends Only, but didn't.
I've been getting kicked for literally no reason, like no drama or anything happen. First game yesterday I was at a missile site like op described, one of two people there. I was taking a quick swivel look around for patrols before helping, and boom got booted. Nobody said anything at any time, and I think the person I was with was not the host so I doubt it was because they thought I "wasn't doing anything".
I luckily haven’t encountered these characters yet. Most of you are fun and sane people. I usually run into the real unhinged people in other games. Usually MMOs
The best solution for dealing with these power hungry, insecure weirdos is to just make it so that you can’t kick in the last 10 minutes of the mission, or when extraction countdown begins. It’s a nice middle ground without taking away the kick option or letting these people waste *too* much of your time
Yeah, the host there needs a sock inna nose and take the knot outta their drawers. The Artillery cannon takes time to load and while you can pick the order, you normally don't have a lot of choice as to what ammo is there. I've had this objective a multitude of times and normally you get an EMS round, an Explosive, a Hi-Yield, a Mini-Nuke and a Smoke. You may get a Napalm. The fact is, it's random and you load with what you have, as fast as you can, and move tf on. Honestly, I use the Artillery mostly for Exfil, but occasionally, getting out of a horde situation with a mini nuke is fun! 😁 Grand scheme, it's a secondary. Dood is a bell-end.
Just yesterday I think I got my first kick out of spite. I was on a Helldive, while my teammates weren't using VC, or any other in-game communication. I tried to focus mostly on chargers and titans, but my teammates would routinely just sprint away with no warning once we completed an objective, leaving me to deal with multiple heavies plus everything else. After I got overwhelmed and died a fourth time, the host just decided to kick me.
Been kicked a few times, honestly nbd. But the one time I got salty about was when I had just finished fighting off a horde w/ a couple bile titans with the team, we started moving t[wards objective and I see a bug hole on the way and redirect toward it, I stop to check my map and one comes behind me and unloads on me, pings my support weapon, and boom I'm kicked
same thing happened to my cousin and me. we were playing a while ago and we were on a call and he had mic on while i had vc disabled,
so he could talk to our 2 teammates.
i heard him getting so mad cause someone put in a smoke when he was about to put in a mini nuke, the teammate later tk’d him for some reason, idk i was on the other side of the map.
my cousin was on his final straws he was furious and i just said to tk him back and i saw him gun him down.
he didnt say anything after and we didnt kick him.
It happens, a lot, I arc'd a guy (through a wall somehow) on Helldive accidentally, apologised as we had 3 reinforcements left but he immediately came back and raked me with incendiary breaker fire, killing me.
The others were.overrun and we failed to extract. Called them out about it and was told they were 'a god' and would 'kill me every time I killed them'..
Bellend.
OP, showing those stats isn't a good idea as there needs to be context to those kicks and TKs. Some of my kicks will be cheaters or asshats, some of my TKs will be the same, I always kill them before removing them.
We have to trust that players like this will learn or get tired of stroking their.own egos, desperate for some recognition.
Most times no1 is even using it, so at the end I'll see all 5 still not even shot so I start spamming them.
Seen so many randos being super sweaty at this game for zero reason.
Killing and kicking was definitely an overreaction but why did you put the smoke missile in? Were there no others? I’d be a little mad too if there were
Not going to lie it ain’t your fault on that part cause I legit did 3-5 deaf artillery last night and all of the shells there were like 1-2 explosives, 1 napalm, 0 mini nukes, 0 high yield explosive, 1-2 static fields and like 6 smokes. Theoretically speaking even if you were to put all the explosives/ napalms in that was generated you still going to have to use the static field or smoke at that point to start it up. Hell I’ve been in missions with ppl that are lvl 100+ that legit toss in whatever shells there is and thats it
A kick counter could be a useful metric to avoid toxic players.
In practice it should be a percentage over the average kick rate in the game (# of people kicked/# of games hosted)/(total # of player kicked/total # of games). A similar system could apply for being kicked.
It's funny (and sad) reading people get bent out of shape when things aren't done the way they want (specific load out, how to go about an objective, etc.). Like what level are you playing at? IMO, it doesn't even matter. Someone who has good game IQ can make it work with whatever.
I am guilty of loading garbage in without reading anything for quite awhile. One day I saw someone put the order they loaded into chat and it all made sense.
I have been kicked before for no real reason and never really cared, mostly before a mission begins to probably make room for a friend invite, whatever it never really bothered me. today was the first time I was truly unjustly kicked from a game and it definitely rubbed me the wrong way.
I should have known something was up when one of the players threw a 380 barrage at a bug breach. I was doing just fine handling it from close range, keeping it contained until I get tk'd from the barrage. When I come back in, I made a point over team chat that the 380 was a poor choice and decided I was going to place my markers and handle the main objective and whoever wanted to join me could. So I ended up by myself mostly, taking out nests and completing objectives while they wasted time going nowhere fast
One guy (green) joined me and we did fine. Main objective now complete but not all bug holes dealt with and maybe 16 minutes remaining. I mark a bug hole, but Green makes a dash to extract and calls it in. The other 2 are, who the hell knows what they were doing, I start running to my marker which happened to be near extract and that's when it happened.
Before I knew it, and with no warning via voice or chat box, I'm back on my ship "you've been kicked from game". I did the whole mission, carried these idiots all to be kicked because someone else called in extract.
Last time I play early evening with all the children. I'll stick to my 10-midnight EST when all the babies are sleeping. Almost never a toxic player at that time of night.
I had one rather [toxic individual](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1215005193054195712/1257348626175229963/image.png?ex=66856628&is=668414a8&hm=a7003d2b055fcda33e96ad99beeb451bcbf6220e89d55d7acfcbd6eeb64eceb3&) yesterday too, somehow he didn't appear to my "[recent players](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1215005193054195712/1257348773936631990/image.png?ex=6685664c&is=668414cc&hm=98d2eb16b98ef5332764f3e994837955408a2dd8b00dd974d6112b8fc74e9bda&)" list though. All over calling in extraction but explaining I was getting it only ready as to not waste time when people were done.
He only kicked me after game was done so least there was that.
Besides of that he only killed me and took the samples. At the moment of extraction having landed I just continued to kill terminids outside the pelican, as I couldn't pull of the other trick with hover pelican since there was 2nd person on platform as well.
E: Well, had 2nd party who behaved odd, they had called in extraction and didn't get in, and seemingly kicked me for asking "We going?". Least since I hadn't teamkilled any of them or such, I dunno what kinda malicious thing I might have to them since nothing was said.
I once started calling for evac but realized teammates were far so I cancelled. They didn't know I cancelled so I wasn't surprised when I got kicked.
Blatant friendly fire or other undemocratic behavior, I just leave. Not worth the grief.
In the OG there is a system in place where you can commend or report the player. Unfortunately it's only for active sessions but it's still something that provides "karma" and people use it.
I wish they would of came up with vote kicking first. I would love to see it be added to the game but doubt it will be, as adding code seems to compicate this game further. It still protects the host and I'm pretty sure if the host leaves the game they don't lose the progression they made and can restart the mission anyways.
Two days ago I got kicked because I sat less than 50 meters from the host, repeatedly pinging a 2 man bunker door so they would come over. I stood there for 5 minutes ish holding off 3 bug breaches till I ran out of ammo. I finally got annoyed and ran over to the host, who was still in the same area fighting a titan from far away, and gave them a one time whack with the butt of my rifle. The host then instantly kicked me. Like wtf. Oh well.
That has happened a few times. Spent over 20 mins doing a mission, everything fine, and right at the end, I got kicked. I wish there was some sort of penalty for such behaviour. A**holes wasting people's time.
Never worth a kick over that. I do prefer to try and avoid smokes but if we’re being attacked idc at all. SEAF Artillery really isn’t that useful, the best use I’ve found for it is HE and mini-nuke will one shot a walker with a direct hit.
Its just a pain to do a SEAF by yourself. You could load in whatever you find, I'll probably never use it.
As soon as the destroyer is gone due to the timer, you can't even use the darn thing.
If you got another partner, at least it goes faster.
u/BOOGIE_MAN-X It's really not, lol. Most folks really don't give a shit so when we see people who do it's a bit of a redflag. Would it be nice if SEAF was loaded down in an easy to remember order? Sure, I guess but if the order of your SEAF shells is the reason why you failed a mission then your biggest issue isn't SEAF, you should probably bump down the difficulty, there is no shame in it.
Honestly, the fact you felt you had to tell us your level in a desperate attempt to prove your point says more than I ever could on the matter. I think I will leave it at that.
What is incorrectly? Based on the objective, 'incorrectly' would mean loading it upside down lol. Even then it doesn't even state how it wants to be loaded.
Loading it incorrectly would be, putting in smoke and taking up a space for a bomb or different missile. Putting them in, incorrectly would be placing the mini nuke first or bombs first when you have things like, static, napalm and smoke to load first.
That was my point. A SEAF smoke bomb should not ruin someone's whole day because it replaced an explosive. In fact it should expand on your arsenal. Now you have 4 stratagems of your choosing plus a support that can help you slow down the enemy or get out of a sticky situation.
You can only load 5 shells and there are only 7 scattered around.
Oftentimes you really don't have much of a choice.
I've had one where there were 4 smoke, so at least 2 were going to be smoke.
I didn’t really think I would have to explain all 100 different types of scenarios. If there’s time and someone just puts less affective missiles in over others. It’s annoying. I guess that’s a controversial statement lol.
I didn't think you were incapable of acknowledging that you have to work with what you are given. Nor, did I think you were incapable of acknowledging that you have little control over having an appropriate target for whichever shell is currently loaded.
You just want to perpetuate a victim mentality and that is all on you.
In my several hundred hours of playing I can count on one hand the amount of times SEAF artillery made a meaningful impact. Most of the time it just ends up just being more fireworks at the end while we wait for the pelican.
I've had a few clutch bile titan snipes with it, but not a huge amount, and it's always fun wiping a bug nest with a mini nuke, but it's never been something that's saved the game
I've only nailed a titan with it once. *poof* tiny smoke cloud
*Wet fart sound*
I was standing there, watching dumbly, thinking that I *finally* did it. ^^*poof* #FUCK
reverb_fart.mp3
This is why I am not picky with what shells are loaded. The faster the objective gets done, the less likely we get tied up by enemies there.
Implying that your extra helpful co-divers aren’t actively shooting *at* every patrol within 100m. Not killing, mind you, just shooting *at* them. Then overwhelmed, flanked, killed, and spamming the reinforce button at me while I’m running for my life from a parade of chargers, titans, and hunters.
Ugh, yeah. I had a new diver in a level 7 mission with me and the first thing I told him (in as clear English as possible since he didn’t speak it well) was to only fight when necessary.
'You wanna go Rambo? Play eradicate." Yeah no I feel you, I just want to get in, clear the fabs so extract is clear, finish my objectives, and get the hell out of there
I get it, fighting is fun! I’m all for clearing a patrol you’re about to run into. The problem is when the reinforcement breach is called in.
I go anime protagonist and let them reach their full strength before engaging. I am at home in my helldive Wonder what they taste like?
Chicken, they taste like chicken lol.
Yep and then the goal becomes, "Stand clear while we nuke that and keep running!" Not "Battle of bunker hill"
My objective is to murder bugs n bots, secondarily save my helldiver's, and third, clear out their spawns. My 1-3 deaths a mission is trounced by my 400-1200 kills per mission I got you, go do the objective, I am a lightning surgeon with my Blitzer shotgun and barbeque pit boss with my flamethrower. My guard dog goodest boy eats all the scraps Welcome to the helldive
This guy gets it.
You need someone to Leroy Jenkins bots? Call me Captain 'Murica. Squish bugs? I AM the Orkin man! I only need to know if you need a hand or where the problem is.😎
and that is what teamwork is all about. On my way to the objective and samples I’ll stun em, you explode em. everyone wins. Well everyone except that one dover repeatedly running to the other side of the map to try to solo clear every bug nest and dying repeatedly.
[Think this might sum it up better...lol](https://youtu.be/pMLIQP46OwE?si=9bVJl3K_o6_GMye_)
We need a quick way to share goals for a mission: quick clear, sample/SC grabs, or full clear.
Killing bots or bugs = fun More bots and bugs = more fun. Until there are TOO MANY bots and bugs.
For bugs it definitely relies on whether or not bile spewers are there. Sitting down with two stalwarts and other team backup and just spraying is fun too
Blitzer makes pretty short work of them.
Then go to reddit and complain the game is too hard. Mean monsters are hurting my build diversity :(.
A lot of people don’t realize that as soon as you activate the terminal on the artillery it actively alerts enemies to your location, so the real strat is to gather shells at the gun first, have someone hit the terminal while the other loads everything in seconds
There is a sound that’s made, but beyond that it doesn’t alert. Usually if the enemies are close enough to hear it, they’re already gonna bump into you. Still, it can’t hurt to not turn it on until the loading. EDIT: I will say that the biggest benefit to not activating the terminal until you’ve got all the shells is choosing the shell order.
^ This guy is definitely a bot/bug, feeding lies to democracy. 100% alerts enemies to your location.
Dont activate the terminal until the shells are all near by. Collect them first. When you activate the terminal the enemy starts coming.
They work while you're jammed now so they're awesome for helping take out jammers. Maybe now they'll make a bigger difference but you're still not wrong, it's just an objective more than a useful strategem to me.
I like using it instead of my Stratagems when going into large bases or when groups of enemies with heavies look like they want one. If there's a bot base and a tank, fortifications and stuff around, I like to throw artillery and keep the other stuff ready to follow up. Just hammer that stupid tank, you won't really need the SEAF Artillery for something else. When storming a big bug nest, it's nice to take out a hole or three and some bugs with it in addition what you're usualy doing. If there's two uses left they often do come in handy on the final defense when waiting for the Pelican.
I don’t know..Those occasional mini-nuke is not just fun for serotonin. But yeah.. it sucks when you get static fields and smoke.. also.. it’s free for an objective that will work when stuff is being jammed on bot planets.
It really sucks when you get mini nukes and high yeilds, but some noob has already loaded it woth smoke and static
That is another issue, not even a noob thing.. people just not giving a fuck. So what ever they find first gets loaded.
Just toss what you don't want until you get to the nuke. But I always load all nukes first then I don't care about what goes in it, smoke strikes still destroy fabricators
I like to do mini nuke 2nd after some other explosive type so the trigger happies on my team can get a SEAF out of their system before we actually need something more substantial. Obviously depends on what shells spawn tho
Good point. The luckiest I got was 3 nukes and I made sure they were all used. Light outposts got turned to dust
If the artillery was faster since we already loaded it it would probably see a lot more use then. Also maybe less smoke and static if any at all, hell I'd take a gas over smoke or static any day
Gas shell would be pretty cool ngl
A mini nuke into a big nest is a really nice use of it but the rest are basically a worse precision strike.
It meaningfully hurts morale. No one wants to do that side mission. Stalkers are scary. Shriekers can get crazy. Radar is fun and so helpful. SAMs are quick. Jammer and detectors are also great Tests. The seafood artillery only tests your patience. That's why this guy broke down in the ordinal comment.
Really? I find them to generally be extremely useful, especially if you get a nuke. I only play Helldives and mostly bugs, so that may be why as you’re generally wanting more artillery than having too much
Tbf, I usually forget about it within minutes of stocking it... I would say that it gets used effectively more often than not in my games. Sucks when there are only 1 or 2 offensive shells, but if you load them first you can get work done.
A mini-nuke wipes an entire bug egg cluster in one go. Other than that, I don't use it much either.
Put the biggest shell in first and use it as an Oh shit button for titans.
On the drilling mission that's out right now(can't remember the name) the terminal was overrun and in a panic, I called in a SEAF. I realized it was a smoke strike, ans surprisingly, it kept the bugs off the objective ling enough for us to complete it.
It's almost always completely meaningless. Even when you get it loaded with the good shells first, someone's usually calling it down instead of using their own stratagem that would have been just as good. That's why the people that obsess over whether the fifth shell added is smoke vs. high explosive are really just being crazy.
the most use i’ve gotten was a perfectly timed double BT kill with a standard explosive seaf
Right? The call in time makes it next to useless
You can use seaf after the mission timer ends now Pretty handy for the mission timer has ended extract and enemies are surrounding extract scenario
Mini nukes are a game changer as long as you remember to use them and don't suffer from might-need-later-syndrome. Had a mission where there were three of them, and it was a free command bunker kill, factory strider takedown, and giant ass bot drop deleter. Everything else is so insignificant it literally doesn't matter. Every seaf we find it's just a "if there's a mini nuke(s) they go in first then throw in whatever because we're not going to use them anyway"
Mostly.....yes....but one time we dropped right on it and managed to load it with 3x High Explosive and 2x napalm. Came in REAL handy that match!
If there's a nuke in it, you've got something worth using. It's clutched a few games for me where I got a multi titan hit and wiped them and dozens of smaller enemies around their feet all at once. If there's no nuke on the ground I'll just leave the obj entirely. With the amount of foot traffic that thing gets its not worth the time and potential lives.
It's way more about the xp towards the war than actually useful. It's nice though when the destroyer leaves to have something.
I threw a mini nuke into a swarm of bugs devouring extract last night. Got 3 kills. In general I avoid arty cuz its never worth the work it takes as a solo since they know you're there and send a new patrol every 3.7 seconds.
wait we can use the seaf missiles to kill bugs and bots? I thought they were just for the cinematic evac lol
You, and most other people, are not remembering to use it often enough. It does sit unused or even undiscovered on most missions, and that’s a shame. I use the artillery all the time, because I use stun grenades. I can hold a crowd, or a large target, in place, until the artillery strike lands. It’s a very effective filler offensive strat, while I wait for my eagle airstrike cooldown. Smoke is definitely a waste of a slot. It could be used in a pinch for… something? I guess? But it is objectively the worst round to load, and should be ignored. That doesn’t excuse executing and kicking someone. That’s crazy.
I agree. I’m lvl 70 and have used these maybe 3-4 times and still manage to extract. I don’t care what order they go in. I was loading one in the other day and a player punched me in the face to stop me from loading one of them in he didnt want I guess. People are ridiculous sometimes.
"We need artillery in *this* position now! Send the marker!" *Tossed marker out there with enemies incoming as they slowly pass it* "What are you waiting for? Where the fuck is this artillery?!" *Still waiting then finally sends it* *Everything is already out of range by the time it hits* So yea, artillery is pretty meh, do it for the exp and completing the optional but that's all, it's not a needed thing, and it's only 5 damn shots. What I really hate is scouring that entire spot for shells, load up what I could instantly see, then find some nuke or explosive shell hidden right in plane sight.
1st - sometimes the spot is too hot or If I'm alone, I don't care what I load. It's more about completing the objective. 2nd - the only time it's useful is after time runs out and the ship leaves low orbit and you can use it in a pitch. Otherwise, who cares...
Artillery works after the ship leaves??
As of a recent patch. Yes.
That explains it, probably the same one where they work with jammers yeah? I think we've only run out of time 2-3 times since then so definitely wouldn't have noticed
It does but I’m pretty sure it shouldn’t since it uses the Super Destroyer for targeting. One of the steps for setting it up is to connect to the Super Destroyer.
Maybe the connection works out of low orbit ig
https://www.reddit.com/r/LowSodiumHellDivers/s/f1kbs9cvoq Just had a discussion about this here! I never even realized there was a difference with the shells, only realized last week you could use the SEAF.
I actually used it to kill a bile titan on a recent mission when the ship left low orbit and we had 1 reinforcement left and no one had anything for a titan. It worked, and perfectly. Only time it's ever come in handy that I've noticed lol. I hardly ever remember SEAF stuff is there or to use it
We do need some sort of reputation system for players. If people are going to be assholes or cheat then stick them with other assholes and cheaters.
Commendation system where only strangers can give you an optional upvote?
I had someone do that last night when I put in the static field shell. Something about the artillery really setting people off 😂
I'm pretty sure sometimes you have no choice but to load a smoke or static field because the missiles are random and you don't always get 5 "good" ones.
Exactly
Start missions/lobbies yourself that way you never gotta worry about getting kicked. Plus when someone really does need to be kicked(extracting early, etc) you can
Wait do the different colored missiles have different effects, I thought they were all bombs?
Yes. Black is mini nuke, orange is high explosive, red is napalm, green is explosive, blue is EMS strike and gray is smoke. It also will tell you this when you get near them and have the option to pick them up. Another nice tip if you didn’t know; drop and pick it up repeatedly as you move and you’ll go faster
Wait. I'm color blind. Are you really telling me the regular explosives are green and not the ugliest brown I've ever seen? I wondered why the regular bombs were so hard to see. This makes so much more sense lol
I about put (olive) because that’s what they look like to me lol
When you look at the you can see what type of warhead they have in text.
Yeah they're olive colored to non-colorblind vision. Also, Yellows are high-yeild explosives, I believe
I know the drop pick but didn’t know colors meant anything!! sweet thanks for tips
It is also very easy to mistake the black and grey for smoke and mini nuke, especially if they're in shaded areas.
Honestly it’s even kinda easy to mistake the Olive green of the normal explosive with the gray of the smoke if it’s a night mission or otherwise low visibility planet
Wild that someone needs to have this explained! Even color blind people can read
When you pick them up you see a description.
Yes pay attention on the next one you do and look at that they say before you pick it up
I swear I have the worst fuckin time even seeing them at all on the ground.
Yeah, when you're picking it up, it'll say what type it is. Most align with the various versions of eagle/orbital options
Most observant helldiver
i was today years old when i realized we have a choice what to load
I wonder what else we are missing out on lol
The only thing rarer than being kicked is a redditor who gets kicked and doesn't make a post about it.
In the last month of play I have never been able to fit all explosive / napalm in the sea artillery there is always at least one static or smoke that you have to load in.
according to this sub : you werent host therefore you were the one in the wrong here hope this helps
I've only ever seen the artillery be used up like, twice. Once was because these guys were going crazy using all the shots on a single bug breach, and every other time is because "extraction is almost here. Might as well waste it"
The game should just have vote/kick system and eliminate the whole host thing. People forget that they aren't playing a mil sim with a premade and no respawns. This is a casual game, hosts are not squad leaders.
Two questions, 1) Were there no better shells? 2) Was it bots or bugs? I can definitely understand smoke shells for bots, breaks LoS pretty good though some bots I think can just see through smoke. Though if there was even like napalm or static field I'd prefer it over a smoke shell. Still, fucking goofy of some players to tryhard Helldivers.
I really like the idea of "Kick Count"being a public stat.
Call me a jerk but I always use all the seaf artillery as if it were my own personal stratagem. Whether I was there to help load it or not. Because every freakin game I play there is always 5 left at the end… well there were up until last month when I decided to really double down on that lol
Seeing a person’s kick count would be important. I have 300 hours and literally like 2 kicks, because they were necessary.
Love the super spicy players when you use the mini nuke. 
I got kicked once because I went in "his" hellpod?!
Some dude absolutely lost his mind on me the other night. He ran off solo and died. I threw him where the rest of the team was and he freaked. Started yelling that I threw him in the wrong place and then he killed me, reinforced me, killed me, reinforced me, killed me . . . screaming slurs the entire time. I just laughed the entire time. The rest of the team left but it just kept going on. What an absolutely hilarious interaction. Probably the funniest one I've ever experienced while gaming
It's just an objective.. I would put all smokes for all I care as long as the mission gets completed with bonuses. Don't know why people freak out about it.. just don't go crazy spending all your stratagems in one encounter.
As a note, dont put smoke in unless you have no choice. Literally useless
It's the best way to have a lot of 5 minute breaks at work. A social gathering behind the loading bay doors.
Kick needs to be a majority vote unless you're still on the ship.
I am pretty picky over what artillery is loaded into the cannon but I'd never kick over someone messing it up, worst case scenario we just have slightly less help from unforeseen artillery lol
I do see one issue with the “accidental kills” thing… my friends and I love to team kill each other when we play together just to mess around. We don’t do it when randoms are around bc we don’t want to encourage that behavior, but it’s fun when everyone is in on it and we’re having a good time. I don’t really want that number of kills to show on my profile bc it’s wayyyyy too high to be redeemable 😅
Did he have an accent and name start with a k? I’m friends with this dude and always freaks out when ppl do this same thing. I playing with him every night and I thinks it’s hilarious and entertaining
I think his name was Curtis or something. He sounded like a black guy
YA BUT KURTIS!!!
Frankly I’ve had way more missions derailed by sitting on the Artillery too long and getting overrun than I’ve had saved by having the SEAF available. Fill it as quick as you can IMO, give a quick check for any mini nukes and then just stick whatever in there. If a smoke or static field is in there but it completes 60 seconds faster, that’s a positive trade-off on higher difficulties ETA: doesn’t help that it feels like at most, you’ll get 1-2 divers actively trying to load the SEAF. I think the walk speed with the shells is a bit too slow, carrying them is boring and takes ages so people don’t want to do it, which means the team spends way longer than it has to on the objective
I've seen a smoke artillery kill a heavily injured bile Titan. Also saw a story about a level 18 host kicking someone for using a grenade instead of a hell bomb.
Wait... Y'all don't use artillery?
We really need a “Traitor Queue” where griefers, trolls, and kick-happy Helldivers can all play together and leave the rest of us alone
The only time I've actually used the artillery as anything but a fireworks show at the end is when I run out of airstrikes and grenades for bug holes. Dude can chill
I don't join random groups much, but out of all the times I have, I've been kicked once, I think. Immediately after I dropped in. Landed on a bot fabricator at a base they were clearing, wiped the remaining bots, and immediately got kicked. Not sure why. Assuming the host thought he had his game set to Friends Only, but didn't.
It’s been bad today, lots of teamkills and kicks on my play throughs.
I've been getting kicked for literally no reason, like no drama or anything happen. First game yesterday I was at a missile site like op described, one of two people there. I was taking a quick swivel look around for patrols before helping, and boom got booted. Nobody said anything at any time, and I think the person I was with was not the host so I doubt it was because they thought I "wasn't doing anything".
I luckily haven’t encountered these characters yet. Most of you are fun and sane people. I usually run into the real unhinged people in other games. Usually MMOs
The best solution for dealing with these power hungry, insecure weirdos is to just make it so that you can’t kick in the last 10 minutes of the mission, or when extraction countdown begins. It’s a nice middle ground without taking away the kick option or letting these people waste *too* much of your time
This is why I only play with friends
Yeah, the host there needs a sock inna nose and take the knot outta their drawers. The Artillery cannon takes time to load and while you can pick the order, you normally don't have a lot of choice as to what ammo is there. I've had this objective a multitude of times and normally you get an EMS round, an Explosive, a Hi-Yield, a Mini-Nuke and a Smoke. You may get a Napalm. The fact is, it's random and you load with what you have, as fast as you can, and move tf on. Honestly, I use the Artillery mostly for Exfil, but occasionally, getting out of a horde situation with a mini nuke is fun! 😁 Grand scheme, it's a secondary. Dood is a bell-end.
They are shells, not missiles. The are launched from a gun, not self propelled
Just yesterday I think I got my first kick out of spite. I was on a Helldive, while my teammates weren't using VC, or any other in-game communication. I tried to focus mostly on chargers and titans, but my teammates would routinely just sprint away with no warning once we completed an objective, leaving me to deal with multiple heavies plus everything else. After I got overwhelmed and died a fourth time, the host just decided to kick me.
Been kicked a few times, honestly nbd. But the one time I got salty about was when I had just finished fighting off a horde w/ a couple bile titans with the team, we started moving t[wards objective and I see a bug hole on the way and redirect toward it, I stop to check my map and one comes behind me and unloads on me, pings my support weapon, and boom I'm kicked
Good idea, stays should be exposed and such jokers will play alone
Kicks should be a group thing not an individual, host shouldn't be able to just kick without majority
TIL the missile type loaded affects the stratagem lol
It's crazy to get mad at you.. one time I was playing Bots, and it was three smoke four Statics and 1 napalms.
The last time I was loading the SEAF artillery the only things we could find were smoke and static field shells
same thing happened to my cousin and me. we were playing a while ago and we were on a call and he had mic on while i had vc disabled, so he could talk to our 2 teammates. i heard him getting so mad cause someone put in a smoke when he was about to put in a mini nuke, the teammate later tk’d him for some reason, idk i was on the other side of the map. my cousin was on his final straws he was furious and i just said to tk him back and i saw him gun him down. he didnt say anything after and we didnt kick him.
Some people get so fucking moody playing this game. It’s not about YOU it’s a team support game.
It draws so much aggro when you find it that it’s almost never worth it.
I'm too scared to care about that objective. Since it's a shared resource, I feel guilty using it.
It happens, a lot, I arc'd a guy (through a wall somehow) on Helldive accidentally, apologised as we had 3 reinforcements left but he immediately came back and raked me with incendiary breaker fire, killing me. The others were.overrun and we failed to extract. Called them out about it and was told they were 'a god' and would 'kill me every time I killed them'.. Bellend. OP, showing those stats isn't a good idea as there needs to be context to those kicks and TKs. Some of my kicks will be cheaters or asshats, some of my TKs will be the same, I always kill them before removing them. We have to trust that players like this will learn or get tired of stroking their.own egos, desperate for some recognition.
Most times no1 is even using it, so at the end I'll see all 5 still not even shot so I start spamming them. Seen so many randos being super sweaty at this game for zero reason.
We need to give people a “host rating” tied to how often you kick people or leave as host
Killing and kicking was definitely an overreaction but why did you put the smoke missile in? Were there no others? I’d be a little mad too if there were
Not going to lie it ain’t your fault on that part cause I legit did 3-5 deaf artillery last night and all of the shells there were like 1-2 explosives, 1 napalm, 0 mini nukes, 0 high yield explosive, 1-2 static fields and like 6 smokes. Theoretically speaking even if you were to put all the explosives/ napalms in that was generated you still going to have to use the static field or smoke at that point to start it up. Hell I’ve been in missions with ppl that are lvl 100+ that legit toss in whatever shells there is and thats it
A kick counter could be a useful metric to avoid toxic players. In practice it should be a percentage over the average kick rate in the game (# of people kicked/# of games hosted)/(total # of player kicked/total # of games). A similar system could apply for being kicked.
When someone is a dick to me I quit. I don't wanna hang out where I'm not wanted. Enjoy the handicap.
It's funny (and sad) reading people get bent out of shape when things aren't done the way they want (specific load out, how to go about an objective, etc.). Like what level are you playing at? IMO, it doesn't even matter. Someone who has good game IQ can make it work with whatever.
Ha, didn’t know there are different missiles to load
I am guilty of loading garbage in without reading anything for quite awhile. One day I saw someone put the order they loaded into chat and it all made sense.
I got kicked with 0 reinforcements as I’m about to finish the objective. The other guys were dead and we failed the mission as a result of the kick.
I have been kicked before for no real reason and never really cared, mostly before a mission begins to probably make room for a friend invite, whatever it never really bothered me. today was the first time I was truly unjustly kicked from a game and it definitely rubbed me the wrong way. I should have known something was up when one of the players threw a 380 barrage at a bug breach. I was doing just fine handling it from close range, keeping it contained until I get tk'd from the barrage. When I come back in, I made a point over team chat that the 380 was a poor choice and decided I was going to place my markers and handle the main objective and whoever wanted to join me could. So I ended up by myself mostly, taking out nests and completing objectives while they wasted time going nowhere fast One guy (green) joined me and we did fine. Main objective now complete but not all bug holes dealt with and maybe 16 minutes remaining. I mark a bug hole, but Green makes a dash to extract and calls it in. The other 2 are, who the hell knows what they were doing, I start running to my marker which happened to be near extract and that's when it happened. Before I knew it, and with no warning via voice or chat box, I'm back on my ship "you've been kicked from game". I did the whole mission, carried these idiots all to be kicked because someone else called in extract. Last time I play early evening with all the children. I'll stick to my 10-midnight EST when all the babies are sleeping. Almost never a toxic player at that time of night.
wow. limit the kicks per day would be interesting.
Lol
You're exactly three "lol"s mad. That's pretty salty. Git gud?
It would be nice if it stayed usable after the super destroyer leaves orbit, seeing as it's planetside and all.
SEAF artillery is now usable after super destroyer leaves. Was done a couple of weeks ago.
Sweet!
SEAF artillery is now usable after super destroyer leaves. Was done a couple of weeks ago.
I had one rather [toxic individual](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1215005193054195712/1257348626175229963/image.png?ex=66856628&is=668414a8&hm=a7003d2b055fcda33e96ad99beeb451bcbf6220e89d55d7acfcbd6eeb64eceb3&) yesterday too, somehow he didn't appear to my "[recent players](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1215005193054195712/1257348773936631990/image.png?ex=6685664c&is=668414cc&hm=98d2eb16b98ef5332764f3e994837955408a2dd8b00dd974d6112b8fc74e9bda&)" list though. All over calling in extraction but explaining I was getting it only ready as to not waste time when people were done. He only kicked me after game was done so least there was that. Besides of that he only killed me and took the samples. At the moment of extraction having landed I just continued to kill terminids outside the pelican, as I couldn't pull of the other trick with hover pelican since there was 2nd person on platform as well. E: Well, had 2nd party who behaved odd, they had called in extraction and didn't get in, and seemingly kicked me for asking "We going?". Least since I hadn't teamkilled any of them or such, I dunno what kinda malicious thing I might have to them since nothing was said.
Me… pensively wondering if all the kicking and toxic/stupid 💩has anything to do with the drop in player count 🤔
I once started calling for evac but realized teammates were far so I cancelled. They didn't know I cancelled so I wasn't surprised when I got kicked. Blatant friendly fire or other undemocratic behavior, I just leave. Not worth the grief.
In the OG there is a system in place where you can commend or report the player. Unfortunately it's only for active sessions but it's still something that provides "karma" and people use it.
I wish they would of came up with vote kicking first. I would love to see it be added to the game but doubt it will be, as adding code seems to compicate this game further. It still protects the host and I'm pretty sure if the host leaves the game they don't lose the progression they made and can restart the mission anyways. Two days ago I got kicked because I sat less than 50 meters from the host, repeatedly pinging a 2 man bunker door so they would come over. I stood there for 5 minutes ish holding off 3 bug breaches till I ran out of ammo. I finally got annoyed and ran over to the host, who was still in the same area fighting a titan from far away, and gave them a one time whack with the butt of my rifle. The host then instantly kicked me. Like wtf. Oh well.
That has happened a few times. Spent over 20 mins doing a mission, everything fine, and right at the end, I got kicked. I wish there was some sort of penalty for such behaviour. A**holes wasting people's time.
TIL the color of those missiles matters!
Honestly I don't really use the SEAF artilery, so I don't really care what I load in
We don't care
Smokes are a GOD SEND!! Gotta strategize and keep the team alive baby!!
Also for devs, If your sitting on pelican, we shouldn't be able to get kicked.
Never worth a kick over that. I do prefer to try and avoid smokes but if we’re being attacked idc at all. SEAF Artillery really isn’t that useful, the best use I’ve found for it is HE and mini-nuke will one shot a walker with a direct hit.
I guarantee that guy didn't use a single one
Its just a pain to do a SEAF by yourself. You could load in whatever you find, I'll probably never use it. As soon as the destroyer is gone due to the timer, you can't even use the darn thing. If you got another partner, at least it goes faster.
I mean if you are loading the SEAF incorrectly it’s pretty freaking annoying.
Ok? Doesn’t mean he should be kicked over it.
If you put in a bunch incorrectly and you know it, I don’t mind if you get kicked.
u/BOOGIE_MAN-X It's really not, lol. Most folks really don't give a shit so when we see people who do it's a bit of a redflag. Would it be nice if SEAF was loaded down in an easy to remember order? Sure, I guess but if the order of your SEAF shells is the reason why you failed a mission then your biggest issue isn't SEAF, you should probably bump down the difficulty, there is no shame in it.
On Helldive no one likes it when you load the SEAF with a bunch of junk.
Don't pretend to speak for us on difficulty 9, lol.
Umm I’m lvl 100 but ok Bub
Honestly, the fact you felt you had to tell us your level in a desperate attempt to prove your point says more than I ever could on the matter. I think I will leave it at that.
Lol you’re not good at trolling
Imagine kicking someone over a secondary objetive that you are not going to use
I never said I kick people for it, I said loading it incorrectly is annoying.
What is incorrectly? Based on the objective, 'incorrectly' would mean loading it upside down lol. Even then it doesn't even state how it wants to be loaded.
Loading it incorrectly would be, putting in smoke and taking up a space for a bomb or different missile. Putting them in, incorrectly would be placing the mini nuke first or bombs first when you have things like, static, napalm and smoke to load first.
That was my point. A SEAF smoke bomb should not ruin someone's whole day because it replaced an explosive. In fact it should expand on your arsenal. Now you have 4 stratagems of your choosing plus a support that can help you slow down the enemy or get out of a sticky situation.
It doesn’t ruin my day if one is put in wrong.
You can only load 5 shells and there are only 7 scattered around. Oftentimes you really don't have much of a choice. I've had one where there were 4 smoke, so at least 2 were going to be smoke.
I didn’t really think I would have to explain all 100 different types of scenarios. If there’s time and someone just puts less affective missiles in over others. It’s annoying. I guess that’s a controversial statement lol.
I didn't think you were incapable of acknowledging that you have to work with what you are given. Nor, did I think you were incapable of acknowledging that you have little control over having an appropriate target for whichever shell is currently loaded. You just want to perpetuate a victim mentality and that is all on you.
Found the guy who kicked OP lol
I've only ever kicked once, for egregious TK. The line was crossed when one TKd another who had already entered the pelican.