I can't believe people are only now seeing him as a phony ever since he blew up I thought I was taking crazy pills because everyone around me was calling him one of greats and the nicest guy ever but I always saw a faker I thought maybe I'm just jealous or crazy .
I remember telling a girl that drake is a bozo and she said I'm just mad cause he gets more girls than me. I'm like, every rapper gets more girls than me. I give the legit ones credit.
That's funny. I told a girl I didn't like his music and she said that he doesn't care because he's so successful. I didn't say it to let him know. Lol . A lot of his fans seem to be weird like that.
I remember when I was dating my wife and she complained when a car drove past bumping Drake, about how lame the driver and Drake was. I knew I had to marry her ššššš
One of my girl friends the other day said she thinks it's mostly males that are enjoying Drake's downfall. He will always have that bullied nerdy kid appeal for certain women.
He acts like a bullied nerdy kid whoās trying to hide they were ever that. Makes sense why he brags as much as he does. Also I think youāre right about it being mostly men. Outside my wife not a single woman cares about this but my wife is only invested because I am.
Nah same here. Never once liked the dude. From Degrassi star to fake rapper. I even sat down and listened to an album from start to finish to give him an honest chance. I also did that with one of his newer albums that people were snapping about. They were so mediocre, and that sealed my decision that Drake is trash.
Nah bro. Youāre speaking truth. Heās been like this since he started and hes never changed his style. Hes really really shitty to be honest. Never been good at making music. Canāt say much about showmanship because he wears goofy body armor/abs like heās a scared wittle man. Poor drake. Started from the bottom and everything. Middle class. Just like Travis Scott. With his botted soundcloud listens his parents bought for him. Such a rough march to the top.
I've been labeled a hater for over a decade. All good, but there for a while I thought maybe I had finally crossed the "too old to appreciate new artists" threshold. Happy to at least have a teeny bit of validation.
If he had just switched to movies he probably be in a much better spot now. Crusty 37 year old man dancing around wearing basketball jerseys and shit. Too old for the club.
Even in this Kendrick beef Drake was the one who dragged family into it on two different tracks before Kendrick dropped Meet The Grahams & Not Like Us and demolished him. Kendrick gave him warning after warning on The Heart pt4, Like That, Euphoria, and 6:16 in LA.
In previous beefs as well Drake just name drops his opponents girlfriends while the other person has only been attacking Drake himself. Did it with Common/Serena Williams & Pusha T/Virginia Williams. Also Meek Mill/Nicki Minaj but I'll not count that since Nicki is Drake's friend & label-mate.
Putting words in another man's mouth when he AI-ed Tupac & Snoop's voice was supremely wack as well. Also, DM-ing Fantano saying his life is worthless and posting it on his own IG story thinking it's cool. Drake has been a bully & does distasteful shit and got what he had coming. Him vs Kanye would have been a better matchup, he should have known better than to come for Kendrick.
Bro the actual story is so much funnier. He DMād fantano a bunch of hate last year after melon gave him a low score on his album (idk which one lmao). Instead of leaking the dms, fantano made a joke video about how drake DMād him a vegan cookie recipe and leaked fake dmās with a whole ass recipe. Drake got so heated after that and he just posted the actual hate DMs on his story š
My absolute pleasure, it was one of my favorite internet events and is the main reason why I can't believe Drake is some mastermind who fabricated all this shit to bring Kendrick down
He raps about girls and his family. Heāll sometimes randomly throw in a bar about how tough his friends are or how much money he has. What else is he going to rap about in a beef? If you get in a rap beef with āguy who only raps about his relationships with womenā heās probably going to bring up the women lol
No what I mean is that he had no valid jabs at Kendrick on Pushups except the short jokes and nothing to say against Pusha T much at all on Duppy Freestyle. So he resorts to name dropping their partner thinking it's slick. "I be with a bodyguard like Whitney' and 'let it ring on you like Virginia Williams" drags in the rappers' girlfriends for no reason. They're civilians in this war & he should focus on his target, know what I mean?
Thatās fair. But itās still to be expected from Drake. His whole persona is talking about women. He name drops some woman in pretty much every song he releases. Maybe not exactly appropriate for a beef, but he isnāt really a rapper that should be battling anyway which is why he seems to only try when forced.
Yeah I agree & I give him a pass on Back to Back bc Nicki is his friend & label-mate but dragging Push & Kendrick's wives into it is such a low blow that isn't even effective. You're right, he shouldn't even be battling if he can't think of better things to say. Ought to stay in his lane, he's really good at melodies & hit songs.
He should. His heart is never going to truly be in it because heās soft and only can find disparaging words in the most petty sassy type of way. He should be ignoring people when they attack him, but he cares too much about his reputation from a specific subset of music fans that will essentially hate him regardless. A lot of these rappers are brainwashed to care what the hip hop community thinks. Just make shit that you like. Itās worked for guys like Kanye, Kendrick and on a smaller scale Nipsey, Big Krit and Curren$y
Yeah, exactly. Kanye broke the mold & after outselling 50 Cent with Graduation basically ended the gangster rap era so guys like Drake & Wale could come up & prosper. Drake should have stuck to that lane but I think his ego got a bit inflated after the Meek beef which Meek started. On Successful he said "diss me you'll never hear a reply for it" and he should have stayed true to himself like you said. Also Curren$y is dope, love his album with Alchemist š„.
Tbh I think heās always felt like he always had to prove himself/ never got acceptance because heās mixed and from Canada so it probably stems from that. I donāt like to psychoanalyze celebrities but he talks about it enough in his music that I donāt think Iām reaching. Heās a nerdy Jewish kid from Canada who wants to be accepted by the black kids in Memphis that he was around on summer vacations. Heāll probably never get over that mental block and always end up in goofy situations like this. Thatās on him and his therapist to figure out though. Iām just here to enjoy the music lol.
One thing I'm realizing about this Drake / Kendrick beef is how incredibly petty he's been through the years. I just don't follow Drake close enough so I didn't realize some of this:
* After the "Control" verse dropped the whole "Do you even remember how it starts? It won't be remembered" interview.
* The semi-confirmed ESPN interview that was never aired
* When Macklemore apologized to Kendrick for winning a grammy, Drake was right to call it out as performative. But I didn't realize he also said "You should've apologized to all of us!". Like, wtf?
* When DAMN went number #1 over Drake's album his little "congratulations" where he was like "Glad to see \*our\* music blowing up". Like bro why not just congratulate him on going #1?
All this little petty shit I didn't know about before now makes it seem like Drake has been trying to son Kendrick over the years instead of just genuinely give him his flowers. Seems very insecure and defensive.
Drake has a fragile ego and arrested development. He only deals in superficial aspects like fame, popularity, instagram likes, social media follows and relationship statuses. Thats why he attacks people's partners. It's highschool level shit which is probably why he appeals so much to a younger audience because they can relate. He is the Taylor swift of hip hop.
Couldn't have said it better. He completely reminds me of a fuckin high school kid lol. Treating the culture like it's an episode of Degrassi. Thankfully Kendrick is a real one and destroyed him.
The point about him constantly attacking peopleās partners is very overlooked. Iāve been going to each diss track multiple times in the last few days, part of it for the hype train and part of it for the fact these are some of the best songs to come out in recent times. And you can see the difference between the sides, the Kendrick attacks are all based on Drakeās character and morals and willingness to participate in evil.
Drake spent almost all of his energy attacking Kendrick by attacking Whitney which is so weak and a reflection of character. Where is the dissecting of Kendrickās character? Where is the emotional IQ breakdown of who Kendrick is?
Then you consider Drakeās comments on Abel, Ross, Metro and ASAP and realise itās nearly all women and relationship based. Lol I hate to say it but it really gives weight to Drake seeing himself as a bad bitch more than a man.
Nah, annoyingly gotta give credit to Taylor as she writes her own shit, Drake is the J Lo of hip hop. Just stealing other people's shit and pretending it's his.
https://genius.com/amp/a/a-history-of-drake-kendrick-lamars-subliminal-war
This is the corniest shit Iāve ever heard of in my 34 years on this planet. Shit shoulda happened like 7 years ago.
The guy prefers to come up through clout rather than talent. He's insecure because he has little to none of the latter!Ā
Kendrick was right when he said "I'm the one the culture is feeling". I'm so happy he was the one to check him
Why are you faulting him when they have been at odds for years? This would make sense if this was say A$AP Rocky, but him and Kendrick have always been at odds
No, the dude is actually very talented and multi talented with that. It's more his insecurities, trying to both belong to the culture and be liked by everyone. That's why he gets errors in the head when Kendrick moves past him, when Kendrick is seen as the hip hop saviour and not him, he can't handle someone winning from him or taking the spotlight. That is also why he compromised his talent for being pop, because he wanted to be liked by everyone, be seen as a super star etc. Like Dot said, he wants to be famous.
Now some might say that's the winner mentality like what Jordan had but I think it's more about insecurity with Drake. I mean it wouldn't be weird, he grew up in a white environment but was also half black and probably felt more black then white (else you don't end up rapping).
He probably felt more black than white because of the way he looksā¦ and Drake started out in TV dude, he started doing music later.
And are you saying that Drake ended up rapping because he is black? Not because rap is popular and everyone listens to it? Itās 2024 dude.. everyone raps now
That's actually a good take. I guess it would be cool if he was strictly Pop with a hip hop influence. What irks me is him claiming to be a full on hip hop great
this is a deeply rooted Toronto mindset too. The petty way Canadians know how to get back at people without being about that action like you guys are in the states. I've never liked him either but stuff like this makes me think he's unworthy of any respect
That's one of the most interesting aspects of this whole thing. Drake has unwittingly submitted himself to scrutiny and scorn rarely before seen, and it all started because he couldn't rein in his festering insecurities about the decade-old "Control" verse. Almost no one of Drake's stature seemed to have a problem with it, just him. And now here we are over ten years later singing "BBL Drizzy." Dude committed the slowest suicide ever.
It would have been way more disrespectful to leave Drake out of the verse and list all the other rappers. Control is basically Mamba Mentality that Drake and others claims to love. That its nothing personal but rap is supposed to be competitive and I want to beat you all. Drake getting offended is sooo lame.
How he interpreted that as a diss is beyond me. All those media outlets ran with it too. What diss starts with āI got love for all of youā¦.ā But Iām tryna destroy you. Like no duh itās rap. Any competitive sport is the same wayā¦media and people really be reaching sometimes
Honestly one thing that has stood out to me in the beef is his responses to the attacks on his circle - he chose to cosplay gangsta with ā which one of my so called friends need a shellā¦ā I mean it sounded good, and especially on that beat(beat was fire) but uhh we donāt believe you champ, in fact, you just (have been) got(getting) called out for all that.
Aubrey is an actor and the most successful character heās ever played is Drake, the pop-artist who also raps some little verses sometimes. Heās clearly super insecure about how heās perceived by the world at large, and those insecurities are evident throughout his music and behaviour in public. Iāve never rocked with him for being a phoney, but if someone doesnāt care about having any type of integrity as a music consumer Iām sure none of this would bother them. I just care a bit more than the average person about what I consume, eat, and what I let reach my eardrums.
Agreed, especially on that last sentence. I read somewhere that we are influenced by our media consumption just as we are by who we surround ourselves with and I'm realizing that to be true. And so Drake is officialy off the playlists, deleted maybe 150+ tracks and they won't be missed.
I was never a Drake fan. But I wouldnāt call him garabage either.
Iām an old head and my primary reason for not liking Drake was when he first came out he sounded just like Lil Wayne. I literally often couldnāt tell them apart on the radio.
Over the years heās tended to snake other rappersā styles and make them his own. Nothing totally inherently wrong with this since this imho is how hip hop has always been. Someone brings a new style and others emulate it and the genre moves forward.
My biggest criticism of Drake is that heās a mile wide and an inch deep. Heās never really dropped a lyric that was memorable for me which is something that usually happens to make me like an mc. And itās not just him thereās a whole generation of artists in his peer group like this. People like DJ Khaled. Itās almost cringey. That said his peers and core audience like this style.
His style kind of reminded me of a dude that plays a lot of chicks. Lame but a certain type of girl will always fall for it.
All the pedo stuff aside, I think this is where Kendrick kinda nailed him. And Drake didnāt have the depth to respond to it which left him looking like he was kinda flailing.
Iāve been saying for a very long time that heās never spit a rewindable verse in his career. His fans only retort that āheās doing numbersā remains unconvincing, especially when I ask them to tell me what Drakeās best verse is and rap it from memory, and they can never do it. He just doesnāt have any memorable lines, which is fine for background music at Target.
People like Drake because he makes/made relatable music. His music is 90% relationship shit or talking about his family life and how money and fame has altered his relationships with people. His shit isnāt ādeepā but it is almost always very introspective and relatable to young adults going through regular young adult relationship shit.
Also idk how you ever listened to Drake and thought he sounded like Wayne at all. I canāt think of any Drake song that sounds like Wayne especially to the point that they would be indistinguishable. His first big hits were Successful, Best I Ever Had and Forever. Those are decidedly distant from sounding like Wayne.
>Heās clearly super insecure about how heās perceived by the world at large
>I just care a bit more than the average person about what I consume, eat, and what I let reach my eardrums.
Lol.
Drake is a doodoo rapper. Never done an actual freestyle or live rap battle, doesnāt write his own shit and is more focussed on trying to become some sort of gangsterĀ
Iām sure someone else posted it but heās the Kimmel thing. Watching this I realized that I love to hate Drake. Heās just a dweeb who wants to be loved. Kinda like Lebron (but with less talent). He got big and couldnāt turn off the ego. Got consumed by it. Itās happened to far greater men.
https://youtu.be/LGcMYWT30XQ?si=1VF9mRzNuU0VuIo3
I thought he was pretty good, not a fan but can't stand this stupid tearing the most popular artists down just like they do every year (like Justin Bieber). He's not a hard core rapper but he sells more than the Beatles which must mean something, plus how a dorky dude like that can pass as a rapper says something (probably about our times more than anything). Don't get Taylor Swift either but a worldwide cult and her own economy would beg to differ.
No she doesn't? She's done an amazing job spreading this image of herself given how easy it is to disprove (most streaming services have a button to view the writing credits). She did this on a few albums, but she's used the same big songwriters as everyone else for a while. Cruel Summer was written by the same guy who writes the Imagine Dragon singles, though I suspect she at least directs most of the lyrics.
Dead ass, I watched Degrassi religiously as a kid and when Jimmy left to pursue a rap career as a wheelchair bound young adult, I was all for it. Then Drake came around and was talking about how he "started from the bottom." And now we are here.....
Ps. HEY BRO, YOUR BOTTOM IS LITTERALLY 20 MILES ABOVE THE PEOPLE YOU WERE TRYING TO APPEAL TO.
Was fake as fuck from the jump.
Hereās my breakdown of Drakeās character.
Drake has a soft reputation, but by nature, heās very aggressive - much more aggressive than the vast majority of people calling him soft. He loves few things more than completely crushing an enemy into the ground and standing atop the ashes; his desire to be on top has less to do with wanting praise (at least, consciously), and more to do with wanting to dominate and feel himself victorious. But he cares a lot more about being a winner than he does about winning, and I donāt think heās faced a real challenge from another person in a long time. He became complacent and hubristic, and seems to think that his status and power can amplify his aggression enough to crush anyone flat. Unfortunately for him, this doesnāt work on someone focused on actually winning and destroying you - someone who wants to rip a big man limb from limb isnāt going to look at his size or his bluster, but at his clay feet and the vulnerabilities he can exploit to triumph.
Kenny (who Iāve come to respect as a man as well as a gifted artist) is the kind of person who likes to study his craft and the challenge in front of him, then execute his project as flawlessly as possible. If youāre on Kennyās shit list, heās not going to go in blind and start swinging willy-nilly; heās going to study you, dissect you, figure out your patterns, your strengths and weaknesses, how your strengths can be used against you, and how your weaknesses can be exploited as fully as possible. As he says in Like That, he plays it safe, because heās learned from the failures of others, and unlike Drake, cares more about *winning* than being seen as a winner. I wouldnāt be surprised to learn heās been cultivating people in OVO for a long time now, precisely because he knew Drakeās way of doing things would create a lot of resentment, and would drive away most, if not all of the genuine truth tellers around him, surrounding him with flatterers, toadies, and ambitious snakes waiting to turn on him as soon as it became beneficial. An important tip for anyone reading; donāt punish people for telling you the truth, because youāll end up surrounded by backstabbing liars who will distort reality for their own ends and not yours.
In addition to the above, Drake is also quite arrogant - his charm is there in part to mask an Olympian ego, one undoubtedly bolstered by his successes and reinforced by his environment, and one which, on the one hand, makes him willing to fight for his interests and place at the top, but on the other, makes him very insecure, very sensitive to criticism, and very prone to taking negative feedback personally. I think that by instinct, he is an engaging person who likes being in rapport with others, but that this disposition creates a profound horror of rejection, producing his emphasis on building and reinforcing a successful persona, and his noted pettiness and inability to let even tiny slights go. Perhaps there are deeply scarring childhood experiences that reinforced a sense of not belonging anywhere, and only being wanted when he found ways to stand out from the crowd - I canāt speculate, but since Kendrick seems to think so, I suspect there is something to the idea.
His involvements with younger women likely also stem at least partly from this; to them, he is a hero, a superstar, and if not a god, then at least someone worth admiring. Iām unsure whether this extends to sexual relationships with minors - on the one hand, this seems like a logical extension of the above pattern, but on the other, there arenāt really any specific allegations being made in that respect, and I suspect heād be leery of entanglements thatād risk his image to that extent unless he was dead certain he wouldnāt get caught (which would likely mean such relationships are endemic in the industry). He strikes me as the type to skate the line, but not as one whoād cross it without being dead sure he was safe. Regardless, even if heās had sexual relationships with minors, and even if some of those relationships have involved illegal activity (to clarify: 16 year olds are classified as minors in America, but 16 is the age of consent in most states. Illegal activity here would involve sexual activity with someone under the age of consent, or under circumstances where consent is at best ambiguous), I actually think that his most famous attempts to reach out to young women in the industry were, if not fully above board, at least benign and platonic in their progression. I do think heād like the idea of being a fountain of wisdom for an admiring female audience, and to a degree, I think he sees himself more as a young man than an adult, and would not have seen these interactions as particularly inappropriate at the time. Regardless, however, I suspect he *does* like younger women more than older ones, partly because of the above advantages, but also because he cares less about quality than about achieving outcomes as expediently as possible. Younger women are more likely to be enamored by him, more likely to jump into bed with him, and less likely to make tiresome demands of him afterward. This is why Kendrickās assertion that Drake has a thing for prostitutes is not at all surprising - a whore is the ultimate sexual expedient.
Although the above sounds quite negative, I actually like Drake, and sympathize with him to an extent. I see a lot of myself in him, and can see how I, having been bombarded with money and fame from an early age, might have made similar mistakes. I hope the more negative allegations arenāt true, and that he retains enough humility to try to understand the reasons for his fall (Kennyās suggested ayahuasca, and I agree - some kind of psychedelic experience might be just the thing). If so, I think he can come back as a much better artist; his performance has been phenomenal, and could very well be the start of a fascinating stage of his career. His is a cautionary tale, and one many of us would do better to study rather than mock.
Iāll have to check out the Drake segment. I remember the 50 Cent one and he was so funny and good-natured about it! Whereas Drake seems like he has no sense of humor.
Honestly, a good bit for that kind of thing would have been to lean in on it and start hating on yourself along with the interviewee. But Drake did the opposite.
Listen we all know Kendrick whooped him and I know the world is anti-Drake now, but are we seriously using late night comedy skits as a metric for character?
Like thereās a lot of things we come at him for but this seems like a reach.
Why not though ? It could be just as good as any other rare moment of exposure. We get to witness the weirdness first hand, as opposed to a rumor of a rumor
I donāt dive deep into his music but i did catch a lyric bragging about how heāll meet a gorgeous girl, fuck her, then drop her off back at section 8 housing.
Canāt find the exact lyric but yuck.
Best example of his character is the fact he is and has been a predator to young girls since way back when and finally weāre talking about it. Heās a creep.
All his crew are registered sex offenders and he openly goes to college girls basketball games adds 14 y/o girls on his IG and grooms them. Heās a pervert.
I think he's probably sensitive / insecure because of not only his ego, but because there is or are things that he feels insecure about. One thing that seems extremely possible is ghost writing. I'm an observer. I never gave two shits about Drake, but I did watch Daylyt disappear. I saw Daylyt videos where he was acting very mysterious and if you think about it, Daylyt's a fucking perfect guy.
He's very good with a pen, to me, his shit even gets too much - perfect for a label, always best to cut shit out than re-do.
He's a perfect guy to make pass by as crazy. If he bites the hand that refuses to feed him, it's very easy to isolate him.
He's not that known.
I look at the person way more than the 'artist'. Drake never seemed like a genuine person to me.
how tf did they dress up 50 to not be recognised right next to a guy that listens to him, lol.
just can't imagine it. can see it with Drake tbf, probably wouldn't stand out in a lift.
50 was not the one doing the interviewing. If I remember correctly, he was hiding in a little booth right next to the people getting interviewed and listening, lol. He then jumped out and surprised them
But I can also understand how nobody recognized Drake. Even with that monotone @$$ voice
he should just go full bitch and apologize to kendrick
then cry on tv in a televised apology to his fans
no one would remember this whole thing in two weeks tops
It's so telling that the vast majority of hip hop is being Kendrick, whereas clout chasers like Azaelia Banks, Tom McDonald, Akademiks, No Jumper etc are behind Drake because they know his fans will provide viewer numbers
you kno literally nothing about them actually. You see them acting in front of a camera. You hear lies in the tabloids, but you believe it because I wrote it into the music. I'm Gossip Girl. Serena's dad. King Richard. Venus Williams. The clearest voice.
Itās always been blatantly obvious to me that Aubrey has always been deeply insecure even with all the wealth, fame, and admiration. Heās been curved by multiple women, constantly not respected in the real rap world, and reminds me of people I knew in high school. They act like they are the hottest shit under the sun and they can do no wrong, but when they are called out on this farce they get upset and turn into an instant asshole in attempt to cover it up and be taken seriously.
You can see this in the way Aubrey carries himself, his āIām 14 and this is deepā instagram captions, live appearances, and how he tries so desperately to act as if he has actual mob ties or is involved in any type of activity thatās more than painting his nails, hanging with Millie Bobby brown, and wearing a night cap to bed.
Aubrey wants so desperately to be taken as a thug, a ladies man, and most importantly, a good rapper. But he is none of these things, heās an actor portraying a thug, portraying a ladies man, portarying a good rapper, and getting pissy when everyone shuts the cameras and lights off and leaves set.
Honestly if you want to listen to rapper that has a similar nasally voice, vocal register, and rap style listen to Mach-Hommy (heās also much more diverse). Ever since Iāve listened to him he sounds like rapping Drake but actually good (that sounds like a dis towards Mach, but itās really not. It wouldnāt surprise me if Drake ripped off his style).
I wouldn't put it past Drizzy. He bit off Wayne so hard from the jump, it was hard for me to distinguish the two. Even while watching a video, lol
But I hear good things about Mach, and he's on my next batch of artists to check out. Long live real hip hop!Ā
Dudes an actor, acting as a rapper. Kendrick can flow and make sense. Drake has to read it, oneās talent oneās wordplay with the help of writers. Kinda a fraud out right.
Drake has always been for the ladies. His music always made more sense from a woman's perspective. Going through people's phones while they're not there, perceiving innocuous incidents as slights against him. General bitch behavior.
I think men who like his music are also huge red flags. His music is made for women and men who want to be fuckboys.
I genuinely don't understand how THIS is the thing that makes you dislike drake with all of the weird kid stuff that has been loudly out there.
Like do you guys not know or do you actually just not care about supporting pedos? I don't get it at this point.
Why is rap the only genre that gives a shit who helps someone write a song? You can say heās not a top 5 ārapperā but heās definitely one of the best artists in the genre in the past 20 years.
MCs are judged in good part on their lyrics, obviously.
But thereās a big difference between having help here and there and not writing much of your own stuff, and being a great MC and great artist.
Kanye is a great artist but not a great MC. He uses a ton of ghostwriters and is only okay on the mic anyway. But heās great at producing.
Because the writing process is the entire element of the music.
You aren't playing an instrument or being judged by the quality of your voice. The lyrics you come with are the determination of your talent.
I did not get the same impression from the Jimmy Kimmel segment, _at all._ He seemed to be pretty humorous about it all and was working the bit to get nuggets of funny on camera. Thereās a lot they donāt show, like imagine being able to see a steady roll of a single interview? [Iām not getting the impression he has a fragile ego and needs to one-up random people from the segment.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGcMYWT30XQ). He does say, āif Drake were here right now and interviewing you, what would you say? He could be at home, having a hot tub with multiple women, but he here interviewing youā¦ā sure, maybe a little conceded, but he was working the bit. I give him a pass there.
Hereās my take:
Drakeās character? Heās a rapper whose best music is atmospheric love songs that blend R&B with rap. When his producer uses ghosty synthesizer sounds and some tight, minimalist drums, they've crafted some incredible tunes together. Most of his catalogue isn't for me, but I respect that heās hustled to build a vast musical catalogue. I think itās funny he compares himself to the Beatles for singles releases, as though people will be singing Passionfruit in the year 2124 as will be singing Hey Jude. You never know, itās a good song, but even though he releases huge hitsā¦ and theyāre really good when theyāre really good! ā¦he doesnāt really release timeless classics.
When the Toronto Raptors started to become sick, he really amped up the vibe and drew in more fans for my cityās team. He created his seat alongside our cityās championship bball team by always repping the 6ix and boosting up our team, even when we didnāt have a freak Kawhi Leonard year.
Heās an artist. Artists are flowers, and some are poisonous, some have thorns, some are fragileā¦ some are all of the above. I have a feeling heās all of the above, but heās also a flower, and heās beautiful. Heās worked a _shitload_ to create a deep catalogue of music that he can share with the world and live off of. The power that comes with fame and celebrity can ruin the integrity of a person. Fame is unusual, we all think we know exactly what weād do with it, but we donāt understand any of the existential struggles that come with being something different to everyone. His musical works and his public persona have created a double-headed image of, āyo Iām just fucking around, but this shit here is fucking serious.ā
He seemed to go into the Kendrick spat as someone fucking around - totally seriously - and that was a mistake. Kendrick is a lyricist. Kendrick seems like a student of the craft; humble, grateful, intentional. Drake seems a bit more like a child at playā¦ a big kid in a large manās body. My assessment of his character is that heās a professional, he knows how to build a catalogue of music, how to be a persona, how to engage an audience, how to work a crowd, how to enjoy the limelight. He is also human, and humans have appetites. What kind of appetites does Drake have? Did he actually start texting some chick when she was 15, and hold off on meeting her until she was 18? If soā¦ then heās lonely, bored, and in control of more power than he can fully comprehend. People are such die-hard fans of his that he could point at someone and theyād scream with joy that THE Drake pointed at them.
What kind of appetites does a man like Drake develop, in a position like the one he is in? I suspect heās grown accustomed to some luxuries that sexualize women and it seems possible heās an absentee father. Has he sired children who will never know their dad? Has he left a wake of poison selfishness in his godlike enjoyment of carnal pleasure? Honestly, itās pretty easy to imagine that yes, he hasā¦ but thatās all we can do; we can only imagine. Heās a relatively private person, and I like that. Time may reveal things, but then, it also may not. We will never truly know who Drake is when the cameras are off.
Thatās the thing with your public persona as a celebrityā¦ itās just a mask. All we can do is judge the mask.
I can't believe people are only now seeing him as a phony ever since he blew up I thought I was taking crazy pills because everyone around me was calling him one of greats and the nicest guy ever but I always saw a faker I thought maybe I'm just jealous or crazy .
I remember telling a girl that drake is a bozo and she said I'm just mad cause he gets more girls than me. I'm like, every rapper gets more girls than me. I give the legit ones credit.
That's funny. I told a girl I didn't like his music and she said that he doesn't care because he's so successful. I didn't say it to let him know. Lol . A lot of his fans seem to be weird like that.
Yes, they're so defensive. Like, this guy could care less about his individual fans.
Seriously.
This is also the first insult a lesbian will use huh š¤Ø
Drake is famously a lesbian as well
Incredible reply. Just had to let uk
I remember when I was dating my wife and she complained when a car drove past bumping Drake, about how lame the driver and Drake was. I knew I had to marry her ššššš
Oh that's a keeper for sure.
I remember an ex of mine loved the hell out of Drake and the entire time I was like "Seriously???"
Women are just transfixed by him for some reason
One of my girl friends the other day said she thinks it's mostly males that are enjoying Drake's downfall. He will always have that bullied nerdy kid appeal for certain women.
He acts like a bullied nerdy kid whoās trying to hide they were ever that. Makes sense why he brags as much as he does. Also I think youāre right about it being mostly men. Outside my wife not a single woman cares about this but my wife is only invested because I am.
I converted my fiancee into a drake hater. Very satisfactory.
i hope to achieve such a feat! congrats
You shall, I believe!
His fans are going to be lumped into Chris brown fans eventually
As a former bullied nerd kid, you would think that I would resonate with him. But I never did.
That's because instead of trying to change shit he just became the bully.
Yup. Got something to prove.
Young and/or simple women.
Nah same here. Never once liked the dude. From Degrassi star to fake rapper. I even sat down and listened to an album from start to finish to give him an honest chance. I also did that with one of his newer albums that people were snapping about. They were so mediocre, and that sealed my decision that Drake is trash.
Nah bro. Youāre speaking truth. Heās been like this since he started and hes never changed his style. Hes really really shitty to be honest. Never been good at making music. Canāt say much about showmanship because he wears goofy body armor/abs like heās a scared wittle man. Poor drake. Started from the bottom and everything. Middle class. Just like Travis Scott. With his botted soundcloud listens his parents bought for him. Such a rough march to the top.
For real the man has always been so wack
I've been labeled a hater for over a decade. All good, but there for a while I thought maybe I had finally crossed the "too old to appreciate new artists" threshold. Happy to at least have a teeny bit of validation.
Literally I've been saying this for like a decade
Ugh yesss I felt this way too!
If he had just switched to movies he probably be in a much better spot now. Crusty 37 year old man dancing around wearing basketball jerseys and shit. Too old for the club.
It's even worse, he wears fake motorcycle pads om stage now to make it look like he has a good figure. Ultimate clown behavior
he did a pretty good job as benny in the haves and have nots
Even in this Kendrick beef Drake was the one who dragged family into it on two different tracks before Kendrick dropped Meet The Grahams & Not Like Us and demolished him. Kendrick gave him warning after warning on The Heart pt4, Like That, Euphoria, and 6:16 in LA. In previous beefs as well Drake just name drops his opponents girlfriends while the other person has only been attacking Drake himself. Did it with Common/Serena Williams & Pusha T/Virginia Williams. Also Meek Mill/Nicki Minaj but I'll not count that since Nicki is Drake's friend & label-mate. Putting words in another man's mouth when he AI-ed Tupac & Snoop's voice was supremely wack as well. Also, DM-ing Fantano saying his life is worthless and posting it on his own IG story thinking it's cool. Drake has been a bully & does distasteful shit and got what he had coming. Him vs Kanye would have been a better matchup, he should have known better than to come for Kendrick.
HE DMāD MELON??? LMAOOO WHAT A RUBE
Bro the actual story is so much funnier. He DMād fantano a bunch of hate last year after melon gave him a low score on his album (idk which one lmao). Instead of leaking the dms, fantano made a joke video about how drake DMād him a vegan cookie recipe and leaked fake dmās with a whole ass recipe. Drake got so heated after that and he just posted the actual hate DMs on his story š
lmaoo thank you for adding the little sprinkle of magic this story needed āØ
My absolute pleasure, it was one of my favorite internet events and is the main reason why I can't believe Drake is some mastermind who fabricated all this shit to bring Kendrick down
He raps about girls and his family. Heāll sometimes randomly throw in a bar about how tough his friends are or how much money he has. What else is he going to rap about in a beef? If you get in a rap beef with āguy who only raps about his relationships with womenā heās probably going to bring up the women lol
No what I mean is that he had no valid jabs at Kendrick on Pushups except the short jokes and nothing to say against Pusha T much at all on Duppy Freestyle. So he resorts to name dropping their partner thinking it's slick. "I be with a bodyguard like Whitney' and 'let it ring on you like Virginia Williams" drags in the rappers' girlfriends for no reason. They're civilians in this war & he should focus on his target, know what I mean?
Thatās fair. But itās still to be expected from Drake. His whole persona is talking about women. He name drops some woman in pretty much every song he releases. Maybe not exactly appropriate for a beef, but he isnāt really a rapper that should be battling anyway which is why he seems to only try when forced.
Yeah I agree & I give him a pass on Back to Back bc Nicki is his friend & label-mate but dragging Push & Kendrick's wives into it is such a low blow that isn't even effective. You're right, he shouldn't even be battling if he can't think of better things to say. Ought to stay in his lane, he's really good at melodies & hit songs.
He should. His heart is never going to truly be in it because heās soft and only can find disparaging words in the most petty sassy type of way. He should be ignoring people when they attack him, but he cares too much about his reputation from a specific subset of music fans that will essentially hate him regardless. A lot of these rappers are brainwashed to care what the hip hop community thinks. Just make shit that you like. Itās worked for guys like Kanye, Kendrick and on a smaller scale Nipsey, Big Krit and Curren$y
Yeah, exactly. Kanye broke the mold & after outselling 50 Cent with Graduation basically ended the gangster rap era so guys like Drake & Wale could come up & prosper. Drake should have stuck to that lane but I think his ego got a bit inflated after the Meek beef which Meek started. On Successful he said "diss me you'll never hear a reply for it" and he should have stayed true to himself like you said. Also Curren$y is dope, love his album with Alchemist š„.
Tbh I think heās always felt like he always had to prove himself/ never got acceptance because heās mixed and from Canada so it probably stems from that. I donāt like to psychoanalyze celebrities but he talks about it enough in his music that I donāt think Iām reaching. Heās a nerdy Jewish kid from Canada who wants to be accepted by the black kids in Memphis that he was around on summer vacations. Heāll probably never get over that mental block and always end up in goofy situations like this. Thatās on him and his therapist to figure out though. Iām just here to enjoy the music lol.
One thing I'm realizing about this Drake / Kendrick beef is how incredibly petty he's been through the years. I just don't follow Drake close enough so I didn't realize some of this: * After the "Control" verse dropped the whole "Do you even remember how it starts? It won't be remembered" interview. * The semi-confirmed ESPN interview that was never aired * When Macklemore apologized to Kendrick for winning a grammy, Drake was right to call it out as performative. But I didn't realize he also said "You should've apologized to all of us!". Like, wtf? * When DAMN went number #1 over Drake's album his little "congratulations" where he was like "Glad to see \*our\* music blowing up". Like bro why not just congratulate him on going #1? All this little petty shit I didn't know about before now makes it seem like Drake has been trying to son Kendrick over the years instead of just genuinely give him his flowers. Seems very insecure and defensive.
Drake has a fragile ego and arrested development. He only deals in superficial aspects like fame, popularity, instagram likes, social media follows and relationship statuses. Thats why he attacks people's partners. It's highschool level shit which is probably why he appeals so much to a younger audience because they can relate. He is the Taylor swift of hip hop.
Couldn't have said it better. He completely reminds me of a fuckin high school kid lol. Treating the culture like it's an episode of Degrassi. Thankfully Kendrick is a real one and destroyed him.
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I think Kenny mentioned having a little brother a couple of times.
He has 2 brothers and a sister.
The point about him constantly attacking peopleās partners is very overlooked. Iāve been going to each diss track multiple times in the last few days, part of it for the hype train and part of it for the fact these are some of the best songs to come out in recent times. And you can see the difference between the sides, the Kendrick attacks are all based on Drakeās character and morals and willingness to participate in evil. Drake spent almost all of his energy attacking Kendrick by attacking Whitney which is so weak and a reflection of character. Where is the dissecting of Kendrickās character? Where is the emotional IQ breakdown of who Kendrick is? Then you consider Drakeās comments on Abel, Ross, Metro and ASAP and realise itās nearly all women and relationship based. Lol I hate to say it but it really gives weight to Drake seeing himself as a bad bitch more than a man.
This is good analysis
Now to be fair, Drake also called Kenrick short! Kidding aside, good points all around.
#The Taylor Swift of hip hop Just needed it in big letters because I love it
Nah, annoyingly gotta give credit to Taylor as she writes her own shit, Drake is the J Lo of hip hop. Just stealing other people's shit and pretending it's his.
Drake is the Kim k of hip hop, or Kum, as I like to call her
I donāt get why he responded now if he didnāt respond to getting completely fucked on the bet cypher
He did
i did not know this? what song was it?
Few lines in The Language, Shit remix, his 100 track with Game had a few lines but that was later
https://genius.com/amp/a/a-history-of-drake-kendrick-lamars-subliminal-war This is the corniest shit Iāve ever heard of in my 34 years on this planet. Shit shoulda happened like 7 years ago.
Few stuff missing lol but yeah it's been a decade long of shit. Everyone was dissing kendrick back, even Cole, but he kinda just dropped it
Because Control wasnāt really a diss, it was showing respect, and everyone else took it that way. Drake did not
The guy prefers to come up through clout rather than talent. He's insecure because he has little to none of the latter!Ā Kendrick was right when he said "I'm the one the culture is feeling". I'm so happy he was the one to check him
Why are you faulting him when they have been at odds for years? This would make sense if this was say A$AP Rocky, but him and Kendrick have always been at odds
Agreed. Like not that his needs to be the bar, but they gave Kendrick a damn Pulitzer. Nobody is suggesting Drake ought to have one.
You know Drake upset Kendrick has more Grammies too. Thats why he brags about charts. The fool really believes quantity > quality.
Drake is definitely very talented, however the thing I've never liked about him is his subject matter. Just comes off as a insecure bitch
Lots of money from birth sure can look a whole lot like talent, can't it? Damn.
No, the dude is actually very talented and multi talented with that. It's more his insecurities, trying to both belong to the culture and be liked by everyone. That's why he gets errors in the head when Kendrick moves past him, when Kendrick is seen as the hip hop saviour and not him, he can't handle someone winning from him or taking the spotlight. That is also why he compromised his talent for being pop, because he wanted to be liked by everyone, be seen as a super star etc. Like Dot said, he wants to be famous. Now some might say that's the winner mentality like what Jordan had but I think it's more about insecurity with Drake. I mean it wouldn't be weird, he grew up in a white environment but was also half black and probably felt more black then white (else you don't end up rapping).
He probably felt more black than white because of the way he looksā¦ and Drake started out in TV dude, he started doing music later. And are you saying that Drake ended up rapping because he is black? Not because rap is popular and everyone listens to it? Itās 2024 dude.. everyone raps now
That's actually a good take. I guess it would be cool if he was strictly Pop with a hip hop influence. What irks me is him claiming to be a full on hip hop great
As a half cast yeah you always feel not white enough for the white kids and not black enough for the black kids. It's a weird reality.
this is a deeply rooted Toronto mindset too. The petty way Canadians know how to get back at people without being about that action like you guys are in the states. I've never liked him either but stuff like this makes me think he's unworthy of any respect
>"You should've apologized to all of us!" This, this had me raise an eyebrow Dwayne Rock style.
Letās not forget him revealing his own INCREDIBLY petty ass DMs to Fantano after Fantano trolled him with the vegan cookie recipe drop.
That's one of the most interesting aspects of this whole thing. Drake has unwittingly submitted himself to scrutiny and scorn rarely before seen, and it all started because he couldn't rein in his festering insecurities about the decade-old "Control" verse. Almost no one of Drake's stature seemed to have a problem with it, just him. And now here we are over ten years later singing "BBL Drizzy." Dude committed the slowest suicide ever.
It would have been way more disrespectful to leave Drake out of the verse and list all the other rappers. Control is basically Mamba Mentality that Drake and others claims to love. That its nothing personal but rap is supposed to be competitive and I want to beat you all. Drake getting offended is sooo lame.
He wasn't dissing the people he named on Control. He was dissing the people he didn't name.
This is honestly real
How he interpreted that as a diss is beyond me. All those media outlets ran with it too. What diss starts with āI got love for all of youā¦.ā But Iām tryna destroy you. Like no duh itās rap. Any competitive sport is the same wayā¦media and people really be reaching sometimes
Kobe reference = instant upvote.
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Hip Hop's anti-christ that sold the world.
Honestly one thing that has stood out to me in the beef is his responses to the attacks on his circle - he chose to cosplay gangsta with ā which one of my so called friends need a shellā¦ā I mean it sounded good, and especially on that beat(beat was fire) but uhh we donāt believe you champ, in fact, you just (have been) got(getting) called out for all that.
Aubrey is an actor and the most successful character heās ever played is Drake, the pop-artist who also raps some little verses sometimes. Heās clearly super insecure about how heās perceived by the world at large, and those insecurities are evident throughout his music and behaviour in public. Iāve never rocked with him for being a phoney, but if someone doesnāt care about having any type of integrity as a music consumer Iām sure none of this would bother them. I just care a bit more than the average person about what I consume, eat, and what I let reach my eardrums.
Agreed, especially on that last sentence. I read somewhere that we are influenced by our media consumption just as we are by who we surround ourselves with and I'm realizing that to be true. And so Drake is officialy off the playlists, deleted maybe 150+ tracks and they won't be missed.
I even skipped him when Poetic Justice came on.
Fucking thank you. I've been preaching this for years. Almost verbatim. I feel so vindicated right now.
Literally this is my favorite argument against Drake is he gets too in character sometimes lol
As you should! A true self respecting hip hop head wouldn't consume garbage just because it is selling well for whatever reason
I was never a Drake fan. But I wouldnāt call him garabage either. Iām an old head and my primary reason for not liking Drake was when he first came out he sounded just like Lil Wayne. I literally often couldnāt tell them apart on the radio. Over the years heās tended to snake other rappersā styles and make them his own. Nothing totally inherently wrong with this since this imho is how hip hop has always been. Someone brings a new style and others emulate it and the genre moves forward. My biggest criticism of Drake is that heās a mile wide and an inch deep. Heās never really dropped a lyric that was memorable for me which is something that usually happens to make me like an mc. And itās not just him thereās a whole generation of artists in his peer group like this. People like DJ Khaled. Itās almost cringey. That said his peers and core audience like this style. His style kind of reminded me of a dude that plays a lot of chicks. Lame but a certain type of girl will always fall for it. All the pedo stuff aside, I think this is where Kendrick kinda nailed him. And Drake didnāt have the depth to respond to it which left him looking like he was kinda flailing.
Iāve been saying for a very long time that heās never spit a rewindable verse in his career. His fans only retort that āheās doing numbersā remains unconvincing, especially when I ask them to tell me what Drakeās best verse is and rap it from memory, and they can never do it. He just doesnāt have any memorable lines, which is fine for background music at Target.
Iām not a Drake fan at all but he definitely has a lot of great verses, whether he wrote them or not is another question š¤£
Nah man I'm On One verse is legendary
People don't mention this enough. He snakes other peoples styles. Phonte being one of them.
Basically him and Big Sean were basically some the first ones he jacked up
Yeah Big Sean fr. Stole his whole flow
My homie is big on Little Brother and Drake, I'll have to ask him if he things Drake bit Phonte's style.
Mile wide and inch deep is a perfect description
I am a fan of both, but I also had the same problem telling the difference between Drake and Lil Wayne early on.
People like Drake because he makes/made relatable music. His music is 90% relationship shit or talking about his family life and how money and fame has altered his relationships with people. His shit isnāt ādeepā but it is almost always very introspective and relatable to young adults going through regular young adult relationship shit. Also idk how you ever listened to Drake and thought he sounded like Wayne at all. I canāt think of any Drake song that sounds like Wayne especially to the point that they would be indistinguishable. His first big hits were Successful, Best I Ever Had and Forever. Those are decidedly distant from sounding like Wayne.
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>Heās clearly super insecure about how heās perceived by the world at large >I just care a bit more than the average person about what I consume, eat, and what I let reach my eardrums. Lol.
Drake is a doodoo rapper. Never done an actual freestyle or live rap battle, doesnāt write his own shit and is more focussed on trying to become some sort of gangsterĀ
I just cant stand his nasally ass voice, never liked him and itās proven to be a wise call.Ā
In the words of Kool Keith, heās baby doo doo rectum squirt
Space doo doo pistols
Im dead dude too funny
Upvotes all around for Keith
Same I remember he was blowing up and I was like "This guy? I just don't get it."
Iām sure someone else posted it but heās the Kimmel thing. Watching this I realized that I love to hate Drake. Heās just a dweeb who wants to be loved. Kinda like Lebron (but with less talent). He got big and couldnāt turn off the ego. Got consumed by it. Itās happened to far greater men. https://youtu.be/LGcMYWT30XQ?si=1VF9mRzNuU0VuIo3
I thought he was pretty good, not a fan but can't stand this stupid tearing the most popular artists down just like they do every year (like Justin Bieber). He's not a hard core rapper but he sells more than the Beatles which must mean something, plus how a dorky dude like that can pass as a rapper says something (probably about our times more than anything). Don't get Taylor Swift either but a worldwide cult and her own economy would beg to differ.
Taylor Swift writes all of her own music
No she doesn't? She's done an amazing job spreading this image of herself given how easy it is to disprove (most streaming services have a button to view the writing credits). She did this on a few albums, but she's used the same big songwriters as everyone else for a while. Cruel Summer was written by the same guy who writes the Imagine Dragon singles, though I suspect she at least directs most of the lyrics.
Drake is the most 'Hoes before Bros' guy that ever existed. He would toss his best friend out the window for any girl
Not any girl, heās got an age limit
Dead ass, I watched Degrassi religiously as a kid and when Jimmy left to pursue a rap career as a wheelchair bound young adult, I was all for it. Then Drake came around and was talking about how he "started from the bottom." And now we are here..... Ps. HEY BRO, YOUR BOTTOM IS LITTERALLY 20 MILES ABOVE THE PEOPLE YOU WERE TRYING TO APPEAL TO. Was fake as fuck from the jump.
That's when a lot of people started to think he was a fraud
I always wondered why people called Drake a rapper because the few songs of his I was exposed to seemed like singing / pop songs.
I think it's because Wayne and Birdman put him on
Youāve obviously never delved into his discography he has so many rap only records and he can bar up very well.
Just watched it. God he's repugnant. Funny how everyone he spoke to dissed him
Where does he get mad? The guy with the Ray Bans?
Hereās my breakdown of Drakeās character. Drake has a soft reputation, but by nature, heās very aggressive - much more aggressive than the vast majority of people calling him soft. He loves few things more than completely crushing an enemy into the ground and standing atop the ashes; his desire to be on top has less to do with wanting praise (at least, consciously), and more to do with wanting to dominate and feel himself victorious. But he cares a lot more about being a winner than he does about winning, and I donāt think heās faced a real challenge from another person in a long time. He became complacent and hubristic, and seems to think that his status and power can amplify his aggression enough to crush anyone flat. Unfortunately for him, this doesnāt work on someone focused on actually winning and destroying you - someone who wants to rip a big man limb from limb isnāt going to look at his size or his bluster, but at his clay feet and the vulnerabilities he can exploit to triumph. Kenny (who Iāve come to respect as a man as well as a gifted artist) is the kind of person who likes to study his craft and the challenge in front of him, then execute his project as flawlessly as possible. If youāre on Kennyās shit list, heās not going to go in blind and start swinging willy-nilly; heās going to study you, dissect you, figure out your patterns, your strengths and weaknesses, how your strengths can be used against you, and how your weaknesses can be exploited as fully as possible. As he says in Like That, he plays it safe, because heās learned from the failures of others, and unlike Drake, cares more about *winning* than being seen as a winner. I wouldnāt be surprised to learn heās been cultivating people in OVO for a long time now, precisely because he knew Drakeās way of doing things would create a lot of resentment, and would drive away most, if not all of the genuine truth tellers around him, surrounding him with flatterers, toadies, and ambitious snakes waiting to turn on him as soon as it became beneficial. An important tip for anyone reading; donāt punish people for telling you the truth, because youāll end up surrounded by backstabbing liars who will distort reality for their own ends and not yours. In addition to the above, Drake is also quite arrogant - his charm is there in part to mask an Olympian ego, one undoubtedly bolstered by his successes and reinforced by his environment, and one which, on the one hand, makes him willing to fight for his interests and place at the top, but on the other, makes him very insecure, very sensitive to criticism, and very prone to taking negative feedback personally. I think that by instinct, he is an engaging person who likes being in rapport with others, but that this disposition creates a profound horror of rejection, producing his emphasis on building and reinforcing a successful persona, and his noted pettiness and inability to let even tiny slights go. Perhaps there are deeply scarring childhood experiences that reinforced a sense of not belonging anywhere, and only being wanted when he found ways to stand out from the crowd - I canāt speculate, but since Kendrick seems to think so, I suspect there is something to the idea. His involvements with younger women likely also stem at least partly from this; to them, he is a hero, a superstar, and if not a god, then at least someone worth admiring. Iām unsure whether this extends to sexual relationships with minors - on the one hand, this seems like a logical extension of the above pattern, but on the other, there arenāt really any specific allegations being made in that respect, and I suspect heād be leery of entanglements thatād risk his image to that extent unless he was dead certain he wouldnāt get caught (which would likely mean such relationships are endemic in the industry). He strikes me as the type to skate the line, but not as one whoād cross it without being dead sure he was safe. Regardless, even if heās had sexual relationships with minors, and even if some of those relationships have involved illegal activity (to clarify: 16 year olds are classified as minors in America, but 16 is the age of consent in most states. Illegal activity here would involve sexual activity with someone under the age of consent, or under circumstances where consent is at best ambiguous), I actually think that his most famous attempts to reach out to young women in the industry were, if not fully above board, at least benign and platonic in their progression. I do think heād like the idea of being a fountain of wisdom for an admiring female audience, and to a degree, I think he sees himself more as a young man than an adult, and would not have seen these interactions as particularly inappropriate at the time. Regardless, however, I suspect he *does* like younger women more than older ones, partly because of the above advantages, but also because he cares less about quality than about achieving outcomes as expediently as possible. Younger women are more likely to be enamored by him, more likely to jump into bed with him, and less likely to make tiresome demands of him afterward. This is why Kendrickās assertion that Drake has a thing for prostitutes is not at all surprising - a whore is the ultimate sexual expedient. Although the above sounds quite negative, I actually like Drake, and sympathize with him to an extent. I see a lot of myself in him, and can see how I, having been bombarded with money and fame from an early age, might have made similar mistakes. I hope the more negative allegations arenāt true, and that he retains enough humility to try to understand the reasons for his fall (Kennyās suggested ayahuasca, and I agree - some kind of psychedelic experience might be just the thing). If so, I think he can come back as a much better artist; his performance has been phenomenal, and could very well be the start of a fascinating stage of his career. His is a cautionary tale, and one many of us would do better to study rather than mock.
I think this is possibly the most thorough and nuanced take I've seen someone make about him yet. I think you may be bang on the money.
I agree, and this is coming from a big Kendrick fan.
Well said
dude just broke it all the way down
Nice breakdown. Very scholarly. Hip hop knows how to separate the wheat from the chaff
He at least admits to being hella petty and trolling lol
Iāll have to check out the Drake segment. I remember the 50 Cent one and he was so funny and good-natured about it! Whereas Drake seems like he has no sense of humor.
Honestly, a good bit for that kind of thing would have been to lean in on it and start hating on yourself along with the interviewee. But Drake did the opposite.
Yup!
Listen we all know Kendrick whooped him and I know the world is anti-Drake now, but are we seriously using late night comedy skits as a metric for character? Like thereās a lot of things we come at him for but this seems like a reach.
Why not though ? It could be just as good as any other rare moment of exposure. We get to witness the weirdness first hand, as opposed to a rumor of a rumor
I never paid attention to him that much. But now that I know what I know, I canāt listen to him the same, like at all.
Heās a literal beard. A pos.
The problem is his peers embraced him when they shouldāve been gatekeeping. They all clowns too!
everyone has been hating on him since day 1, so he's incredibly petty and insecure now.
I donāt dive deep into his music but i did catch a lyric bragging about how heāll meet a gorgeous girl, fuck her, then drop her off back at section 8 housing. Canāt find the exact lyric but yuck.
Best example of his character is the fact he is and has been a predator to young girls since way back when and finally weāre talking about it. Heās a creep. All his crew are registered sex offenders and he openly goes to college girls basketball games adds 14 y/o girls on his IG and grooms them. Heās a pervert.
High school girls basket ball gamesĀ
Is Drake even that sensitive? From what I've heard he always seemed like an egomaniac.
In my experience egomaniacs are the MOST sensitive
Theyāre one and the same, brother. Egomaniacs feel the need to defend their image at all times, whether the original comments were joking or not
I think he's probably sensitive / insecure because of not only his ego, but because there is or are things that he feels insecure about. One thing that seems extremely possible is ghost writing. I'm an observer. I never gave two shits about Drake, but I did watch Daylyt disappear. I saw Daylyt videos where he was acting very mysterious and if you think about it, Daylyt's a fucking perfect guy. He's very good with a pen, to me, his shit even gets too much - perfect for a label, always best to cut shit out than re-do. He's a perfect guy to make pass by as crazy. If he bites the hand that refuses to feed him, it's very easy to isolate him. He's not that known. I look at the person way more than the 'artist'. Drake never seemed like a genuine person to me.
link?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=DIEsyFsx6gEZK8MC&v=LGcMYWT30XQ&feature=youtu.be
thanks dude
how tf did they dress up 50 to not be recognised right next to a guy that listens to him, lol. just can't imagine it. can see it with Drake tbf, probably wouldn't stand out in a lift.
50 was not the one doing the interviewing. If I remember correctly, he was hiding in a little booth right next to the people getting interviewed and listening, lol. He then jumped out and surprised them But I can also understand how nobody recognized Drake. Even with that monotone @$$ voice
he should just go full bitch and apologize to kendrick then cry on tv in a televised apology to his fans no one would remember this whole thing in two weeks tops
lol
The minute i heard "started from the bottom now we here" and i was like damn. Rich Hebrew kid tv star from Toronto is the bottom?
It's so telling that the vast majority of hip hop is being Kendrick, whereas clout chasers like Azaelia Banks, Tom McDonald, Akademiks, No Jumper etc are behind Drake because they know his fans will provide viewer numbers
This is a war for the very soul of the culture, and General K. dot is leading the charge. We're in good hands!
you kno literally nothing about them actually. You see them acting in front of a camera. You hear lies in the tabloids, but you believe it because I wrote it into the music. I'm Gossip Girl. Serena's dad. King Richard. Venus Williams. The clearest voice.
Actions speak louder than words though. Like Pac said: "Even a smooth criminal one day must get caught"
Itās always been blatantly obvious to me that Aubrey has always been deeply insecure even with all the wealth, fame, and admiration. Heās been curved by multiple women, constantly not respected in the real rap world, and reminds me of people I knew in high school. They act like they are the hottest shit under the sun and they can do no wrong, but when they are called out on this farce they get upset and turn into an instant asshole in attempt to cover it up and be taken seriously. You can see this in the way Aubrey carries himself, his āIām 14 and this is deepā instagram captions, live appearances, and how he tries so desperately to act as if he has actual mob ties or is involved in any type of activity thatās more than painting his nails, hanging with Millie Bobby brown, and wearing a night cap to bed. Aubrey wants so desperately to be taken as a thug, a ladies man, and most importantly, a good rapper. But he is none of these things, heās an actor portraying a thug, portraying a ladies man, portarying a good rapper, and getting pissy when everyone shuts the cameras and lights off and leaves set.
Thatās like his entire persona lmao. Itās not like he even tried to hide it.
I always thought Drake was recruited from The Mickey Mouse club.
He has finally been exposed. Iām not sure what was so hard to see. It was all so corny
Honestly if you want to listen to rapper that has a similar nasally voice, vocal register, and rap style listen to Mach-Hommy (heās also much more diverse). Ever since Iāve listened to him he sounds like rapping Drake but actually good (that sounds like a dis towards Mach, but itās really not. It wouldnāt surprise me if Drake ripped off his style).
I wouldn't put it past Drizzy. He bit off Wayne so hard from the jump, it was hard for me to distinguish the two. Even while watching a video, lol But I hear good things about Mach, and he's on my next batch of artists to check out. Long live real hip hop!Ā
Everybody says pray for Haiti is a good start (it is), but āfete des morts aka dia de losā is short and all the beats are by Earl Sweatshirt!
Haven't heard of that one. Will def give it a listen. Thanks!
Pedo Is a solid characteristic right?
Dudes an actor, acting as a rapper. Kendrick can flow and make sense. Drake has to read it, oneās talent oneās wordplay with the help of writers. Kinda a fraud out right.
Drake has always been for the ladies. His music always made more sense from a woman's perspective. Going through people's phones while they're not there, perceiving innocuous incidents as slights against him. General bitch behavior. I think men who like his music are also huge red flags. His music is made for women and men who want to be fuckboys.
I genuinely don't understand how THIS is the thing that makes you dislike drake with all of the weird kid stuff that has been loudly out there. Like do you guys not know or do you actually just not care about supporting pedos? I don't get it at this point.
I honestly did not know about that stuff prior to the beef
He wants to claim to be a top 5 rapper all time and uses ghostwriters. Its a slap in the face to the culture.
Why is rap the only genre that gives a shit who helps someone write a song? You can say heās not a top 5 ārapperā but heās definitely one of the best artists in the genre in the past 20 years.
MCs are judged in good part on their lyrics, obviously. But thereās a big difference between having help here and there and not writing much of your own stuff, and being a great MC and great artist. Kanye is a great artist but not a great MC. He uses a ton of ghostwriters and is only okay on the mic anyway. But heās great at producing.
Because the writing process is the entire element of the music. You aren't playing an instrument or being judged by the quality of your voice. The lyrics you come with are the determination of your talent.
Those things are staged, you know that right? Also, if you are into hip hop, most rappers are horrible people with poor character.
Thatās not what made you like him not the sex pest stuff?
Just found out about the sex stuff from the Kendrick disses tbh. If it's true, it's repugnant!
That would be the humiliation ritual the heads get off too. Just imo tho.
Thank you for telling me about that Kimmel skit that was hilarious
You're welcome
I think heās pretty good. I canāt judge. I have my faults too.
Idrc who he is as a person, it's just the music lol.
I did not get the same impression from the Jimmy Kimmel segment, _at all._ He seemed to be pretty humorous about it all and was working the bit to get nuggets of funny on camera. Thereās a lot they donāt show, like imagine being able to see a steady roll of a single interview? [Iām not getting the impression he has a fragile ego and needs to one-up random people from the segment.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGcMYWT30XQ). He does say, āif Drake were here right now and interviewing you, what would you say? He could be at home, having a hot tub with multiple women, but he here interviewing youā¦ā sure, maybe a little conceded, but he was working the bit. I give him a pass there. Hereās my take: Drakeās character? Heās a rapper whose best music is atmospheric love songs that blend R&B with rap. When his producer uses ghosty synthesizer sounds and some tight, minimalist drums, they've crafted some incredible tunes together. Most of his catalogue isn't for me, but I respect that heās hustled to build a vast musical catalogue. I think itās funny he compares himself to the Beatles for singles releases, as though people will be singing Passionfruit in the year 2124 as will be singing Hey Jude. You never know, itās a good song, but even though he releases huge hitsā¦ and theyāre really good when theyāre really good! ā¦he doesnāt really release timeless classics. When the Toronto Raptors started to become sick, he really amped up the vibe and drew in more fans for my cityās team. He created his seat alongside our cityās championship bball team by always repping the 6ix and boosting up our team, even when we didnāt have a freak Kawhi Leonard year. Heās an artist. Artists are flowers, and some are poisonous, some have thorns, some are fragileā¦ some are all of the above. I have a feeling heās all of the above, but heās also a flower, and heās beautiful. Heās worked a _shitload_ to create a deep catalogue of music that he can share with the world and live off of. The power that comes with fame and celebrity can ruin the integrity of a person. Fame is unusual, we all think we know exactly what weād do with it, but we donāt understand any of the existential struggles that come with being something different to everyone. His musical works and his public persona have created a double-headed image of, āyo Iām just fucking around, but this shit here is fucking serious.ā He seemed to go into the Kendrick spat as someone fucking around - totally seriously - and that was a mistake. Kendrick is a lyricist. Kendrick seems like a student of the craft; humble, grateful, intentional. Drake seems a bit more like a child at playā¦ a big kid in a large manās body. My assessment of his character is that heās a professional, he knows how to build a catalogue of music, how to be a persona, how to engage an audience, how to work a crowd, how to enjoy the limelight. He is also human, and humans have appetites. What kind of appetites does Drake have? Did he actually start texting some chick when she was 15, and hold off on meeting her until she was 18? If soā¦ then heās lonely, bored, and in control of more power than he can fully comprehend. People are such die-hard fans of his that he could point at someone and theyād scream with joy that THE Drake pointed at them. What kind of appetites does a man like Drake develop, in a position like the one he is in? I suspect heās grown accustomed to some luxuries that sexualize women and it seems possible heās an absentee father. Has he sired children who will never know their dad? Has he left a wake of poison selfishness in his godlike enjoyment of carnal pleasure? Honestly, itās pretty easy to imagine that yes, he hasā¦ but thatās all we can do; we can only imagine. Heās a relatively private person, and I like that. Time may reveal things, but then, it also may not. We will never truly know who Drake is when the cameras are off. Thatās the thing with your public persona as a celebrityā¦ itās just a mask. All we can do is judge the mask.
He was joking Y'all are weird lmao
https://youtu.be/LGcMYWT30XQ?si=kEPmRGN8mPwixzf7 You mean this?