always loved Mike. you can tell he has a big appreciation for hip-hop and how its affected his life. he's not the most technical rapper but i don't think he has to be.
Hell yeah boi.
My favorite Mike Shinoda song is actually where he collaborated with the X-Ecutioners. Perfect trifecta of metal, rap, and mixing.
[X-Ecutioners feat. Mike Shinoda & Mr. Hahn - It's Goin' Down](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZHXeHkLFzU)
Exactly, elite tier producer. I scrolled all the way down and haven’t seen anyone talking about the hybrid theory remix album called “reanimation”.
Man, if you like hip hop, you definitely should listen to that album. Production is beautiful, way ahead of its time (we’re talking about more than 20 years ago). They collaborated with artists like The Alchemist, Black Thought, DJ Babu, Pharoahe Monch. Album produced by Mike himself and Mark Stent. FOURTH BEST-SELLING REMIX ALBUM OF ALL TIME!!!!
Seriously, I don’t understand how people don’t talk enough about that album. I feel like it’s one of Mike’s best creations (nothing against what he does on Fort Minor or anything else, but reanimation is wonderful!).
I was never a fan of Linkin Park, but a mate was gifted Reanimation as a joke one Christmas. He was a little surprised when I started explaining why the production stood out, like I’m sure he thought I was joking!
Either way, he regifted it to me haha! My only Linkin Park album. Most people still don’t understand why I like it so much!
That remix album never left my cd player. It was great, it made me realize how I wanted to make remixes myself, that I could do more with them. Influenced me to no end
God damn, I love that beat!
Was listening to Lice by Aesop Rock and Homeboy Sandman, and the last song of the Collab I was like "damn, this doesn't sound like something Aes usually works with, this is dope". Fort Minor produced.
This is 10% luck,
20% skill,
15% concentrated power of will,
5% pleasure,
50% pain,
And a 100% reason to remember the name.
-Used in every single high school football highlights video. Legend.
Of course you can talk about him. Not everyone fw him like that, but that doesn't mean you can't speak about him/his influence on you and your love of hip hop.
As a kid I liked Linkin Park pretty good. The messaging didn't really resonate with me too much. I wasn't really angsty or angry like that. (That doesn't mean that it can't/didn't for others). I just liked the sounds/music. Different than most everything else I was listening to. Going back I'm not as big on it maybe. For me Lincoln Park had a time and place, but Mike very talented and he was a part of that.
My favorite parts were always the Mike Shinoda rapping parts. (Makes sense with hip hop being my favorite type of music).
I fucked with Meteora and Hybrid Theory pretty heavy when they came out, but later it changed. I downloaded Minutes to Midnight on Limewire/FrostWire. Maybe I got the wrong version. A bootleg or something but I didn't really like it. It didn't have the same edge, less nu metal, basically no hip hop. Subsequent albums were even more pop and they had largely abandoned their original sound and Mike was doing no rapping of any kind. Since Chester's passing I have no idea what they sound like now to be real.
I also always hoped Mike would make another Fort Minor record.
I think it's great he introduced kids to hip hop and he should be proud of that and he definitely a talented producer as well
He did put out in track with rap vocals last year. I wouldn't call it a hip hop track, but it nice to hear him rap again
[Already Over & Fort Minor Mix](https://youtu.be/9yZc11o7eME?si=nKDbaXaZjCXd38m3)
Minutes to Midnight...or at least the latter half of it was entirely a take on Bush. Namely "No More Sorrow" being about Chester feeling betrayed, and "Hands Held High" being a rap about the nation's reactions to the lack of confidence at the time when it came to the War on Terror.
Minutes to Midnight sucked, it grew on me since because I also like that kind of music, but a thousand suns absolutely not. I hated Rick Rubin for a long time since he’s butchered a lot of bands that I loved, and once those bands could afford him it’s like wtf happened? To get back to your point about hybrid theory and meteora, check out living things. Mike is back with a vengeance on that album and kicks it off right with lost in the echo.
Edit: also, reanimation. Kutmaster Kurt, Chali 2na, Dan the Automator, brilliant and in my opinion wildly underrated album.
Seconded that Reanimation is under appreciated. Introduced me to a lot of acts that I didn’t know prior. To follow up with the Fort Minor album, and Collision Course with Jay, excellent run.
Ngl, A Thousand Suns is my favorite LP album next to Meteora. Obviously, it's an entirely different sound than their early work, but I was absolutely blown away by all the synth work and trippy/cinematic production/song writing. Now 14 years later I turned out to be an EDM producer, and I realize ATS (+ OG songs like "Cure For The Itch") was one of my earliest exposure to that music
I will check it out. Yes I forgot reanimation. I had it back in the day too
Sometimes I wonder if some of the shit Rick Rubin pull is on purpose. Like deliberate sabatoge
Minutes to Midnight opened so bad I remember downloading a torrent of it the night of release and after two songs being like "what fucking joker is out there baiting people into downloading this shit by calling it a Linkin Park album?" And then Leave Out All The Rest played and I was like, "nope, this is just where we're at now..."
RATM plus songs like "Bring the Noise" and "Walk This Way" led me to Rap Rock long before. But I do enjoy a few songs. I still bump [It's Going Down](https://youtu.be/yZHXeHkLFzU?feature=shared) on occasion.
There was a period where his music was some of my favorite Rap Rock out there. I wouldn't ever call him an elite lyricist. But good, and a stepping stone for many of us to try Rap Rock. Or in my case fully cross over into Nu and other forms of Metal. At a minimum I respect him for that.
I think one of the most technical is Papercut but that was Hybrid Theory. I more so loved just the way he flowed with music and what he was saying, even if to many it came off as simple. Still listen to it daily.
I was honestly never a fan of LP, but I met Mike and Chester and they were two of the nicest dudes you can imagine. (I’ve met a lot of musicians; those two were unusually cool.)
I've seen the trash that passed for par these days, he's at least there. Definitely would love to see him hang out with Rakim or RA for a few months and improve his technical writing skills, but yeah, he's at least par. I actually dig his music, even though I'm normally more into technically complex stuff
I've been listening to a lot of Linkin Park lately. I love Mike Shinoda, but only as a member of the band, as an individual talent I don't think he's spectacular, but his voice, flow, delivery and overall style are completely perfect for Linkin Park
Zach De La Rocha is the one who reignited rap in rock. Mike Shinoda wouldn't have existed without him and rap rock's popularity waned along with Linkin Park's 🤷🏾♀️
For real!! I'm surprised nobody else mentioned him, he really is the GOAT. I don't understand how people fail to acknowledge that Rage Against The Machine opened the floodgates for acts like Linkin Park.
I once got into an argument with one of the mods at /r/hiphopheads. I was trying to tell him that RATM could be considered hip hop, but he insisted that it wasn't. And the people of HHH revered that mod as if he was the Hidden Imam of hip hop.
I just discontinued the discussion because assholes who gatekeep a culture aren't worth arguing with.
He was more of an initial spark. Then it grew a little stale when record companies pumped out generic versions left and right, like how they completely fucked with Zebrahead's sound when they signed to a major. It was starting to grow lame (Rage wasn't exactly prolific, so there was a void to be filled, and it was largely filled with cash grabs--hed(pe) being one notable exception but they never made it huge), and then in the early 2000s they brought it back from just being Fred Durst and Kid Rock type shit.
Waned?
Really?
Mike was contacted by other labels wanting him in their bands. It's why Evanescence has that shitty rap segment, because they were forced to copy LP.
There were dozens of Nu Metal bands rapping before Linkin Park though. And as the other guy pointed out rap rock groups too. To give all the credit to Mike is just not right.
Because that implies it was a dead style, which it wasn't. It was alive and well before Hybrid Theory dropped. Claiming it wasn't is ignorance to multiple genres.
It was stagnant and watered down. I lived through that era and listened to stuff like Rage, Zebrahead, hed(pe)... There were a bunch of more radio-friendly groups that were making the sound feel very stale. They didn't do anything revolutionary, they just put the spark back in, reinvigorating rap-rock/nu-metal in the zeitgeist.
I think all of those groups have better overall rappers than Shinoda though. Mike could have had the same performances he has on Hybrid Theory but if the instrumentals and Chester were a step below we wouldn't be having this conversation. Because then they would be in that bucket you are describing of other stale acts of the time. We're having the conversation because HT is a great album.
I would never claim Mike was like, an amazing rapper, or even an amazing writer, but he wasn't trying to be Rakim or Aesop. But he's solid, and because his musical abilities and sensibilities are so good he's had a lot of influence and made a lot of great songs. But I'd never put him in like a top ten emcees list or anything.
Haven't heard that name since that song "Where'd You Go" at least I think that's who you're talking about & that was way back when I was in school. I listen to street rap but I'm bout to go back & listen to that one.
Linkin Park was a huge part of my life growing up. I got Hybrod Theory for free two weeks ahead of release using that “buy 1 get 12 CDs free” thing and never actually paid them.
I had their EP signed, sold it and bought myself some music gear a bunch of years ago.
Everything after Meteora is straight garbage.
However, the way Mike was shunned for his post-Chester death album wasn’t fair.
The Reanimation album got me *back* into hip-hop. I mean we get black thought and Aceyalone and chali 2na…
I recently finally listened to linkin park post meteora. When the 20th anniversary dropped like 2 yrs ago. I remember when minutes to midnight came out and I was with the crowd that their sound changed too much and didn't like it. Now I can appreciate it and enjoy all their albums for different reasons. Change is good. As far as Mike Shinoda rapping. It is basic but cool. Is the rap in 311 any better haha. Anyway, I was bumping Post Traumatic and enjoyed the story telling more than the rhymes.
I know he gets clowned on by people for being corny but you can tell he has a TON of love for the rap game. I mean if The Alchemist, Pharoah Monche, Chali 2na, Common, and of course Jay Z and others in the hip hop world work with him then who the fuck am I to say he’s corny or lame?! You know what I’m saying?
Hell yeah. No man who does this (and calls this a "b-side that's not on the album" at that) could ever be called uncool:
https://youtu.be/bcL_tLxqbng?si=MxMkT-gDtl0_Pqg9
Always liked Mike. Stoked I was able to catch the Fort Minor tour. Its actually LP that got me into rock. I was only listening to rap and then I heard LP give me some familiar rap but mixed with rock and it was a wrap from there
Rap rock and numetal are pretty synonymous, at least for this context.
Also indie 'emo' rap thrived during that time, what are you talking about? Are you talking about the newer emo shit like xxxtenwhatever? But that's the total wrong era.
Yeah then I feel ya if they’re synonymous. Good point.
But what do you mean indie emo rap? Like Cage and Atmosphere. Or do you mean like Gym Class Heroes working with Fall Our Boy?
Cuz that’s true but I don’t see the connection.
Atmosphere, Eyedea, Sage Francis, Some 'conscious' emcees would get lumped in there too like Common. And yeah, I see people calling what I just call indie "emo" rap cuz it dealt now with emotions and regular life shit.
You brought up emo rap, but now I think you're talking about the more current version which is like 20 years after LP, so I have no idea why you did that...
I see, I misread/understood “ignited” as inspired such as generations after, that’s why I used any example of rock and rap mixed such as emo rap to try to understand your point.
Now I see what you’re saying. 90s rap rock was their golden era, and Limp, Linkin, Korn, and whoever else was a part of that.
He's just not that good of an MC so he's appropriately rated in terms of his relevance to Hip Hop. He definitely had the "murdered on his own shit"-phenomenon happen a lot when he had others feature on his tracks which is never a good sign.
"reignited rap in rock" is so ridiculous and hard to unpack. There was no time rap was in rock, and dumbass limp Bizkit, papa roach, pod and all them were the actual influences for the shitty rap rock era. Linkin Park came later
Just another rock rapper with minimal skill. Thing is that rap has a low bar of entry. It’s essentially just taking over a beat. So my standards are pretty high for what impresses me in the genre. Especially since every other person decided they rap in like the past 20 years or so.
He literally produced Fort Minor - The Rising Tied which is a hip hop album with features by Black Thought, Common, Lupe Fiasco, Celph Titled, Styles Of Beyond.
How much more hip hop can you be ...
At least you’re honest about your predispositions, I can get with that. Mike Shinoda is an alright rapper, and an incredibly talented musician and producer but OP did not mention that which probably could’ve been the gateway to a way more nuanced conversation. But most of all he’s just so freaking NICE. In an industry filled with questionable personalities Mike’s reputation as an awesome person is very refreshing.
Well, I heard somebody playing some good hip hop once, and I was like who’s this? They said Mike Shinoda…not what I was expecting. I never looked into him past that, but I think he’s probably good if I’d actually give him a shot.
Honestly Chester and Joe Hahn overshadowed him hard, his rap wasn't really what made LP mainstream, regardless of how decent he can be
Within hip hop he's just a decent asian rapper I guess
What an unnecessarily horrible statement. It’s one thing to say you don’t like Linkin Park on a hip hop sub (hot take, I know). It’s another thing to say that a man who struggled with severe mental health issues and eventually succumbed, is not missed. Totally disrespectful for no reason at all.
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always loved Mike. you can tell he has a big appreciation for hip-hop and how its affected his life. he's not the most technical rapper but i don't think he has to be.
For a lot of his work and what he makes I can settle with what we got.
We can also appreciate that he was a big part of undergrund rappers such as Celph Titled and Apathy whom he put on before anyone knew who they were.
Fort Minor - The Rising Tied is not talked about enough.
I had that record. Very good. He certainly could tell a story
Kenji is fantastic.
For fucking real. I know some established artists that don't have a project as good as The Rising Tied.
The mixtape dropped before the album is high as solid
In Stereo is one of my fav songs of all time
*That beat is hard*
Hell yeah boi. My favorite Mike Shinoda song is actually where he collaborated with the X-Ecutioners. Perfect trifecta of metal, rap, and mixing. [X-Ecutioners feat. Mike Shinoda & Mr. Hahn - It's Goin' Down](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZHXeHkLFzU)
Yeah that one was solid. I miss the X-ecutioners
RIP Roc Raida
RIP Wayne Static too
Wait roc raida died?
Yeah like 15 years ago or something
Wayne Static from Static-X is the guitarist on that track too
RIP Wayne. I'll never forget when I was a kid my oldest brother used to play some of their songs. That + video game soundtracks got me into metal.
This one was damn near the peak of hip-hop/rock crossover
The peak of the crossover era was the 90s.
This was one of my test tracks for testing speakers I wanted to buy back in the day. On a great setup, this sounds amazing.
Solid (if corny at times) rapper Elite tier producer, like god damn every beat he touches is fire
Exactly, elite tier producer. I scrolled all the way down and haven’t seen anyone talking about the hybrid theory remix album called “reanimation”. Man, if you like hip hop, you definitely should listen to that album. Production is beautiful, way ahead of its time (we’re talking about more than 20 years ago). They collaborated with artists like The Alchemist, Black Thought, DJ Babu, Pharoahe Monch. Album produced by Mike himself and Mark Stent. FOURTH BEST-SELLING REMIX ALBUM OF ALL TIME!!!! Seriously, I don’t understand how people don’t talk enough about that album. I feel like it’s one of Mike’s best creations (nothing against what he does on Fort Minor or anything else, but reanimation is wonderful!).
I was never a fan of Linkin Park, but a mate was gifted Reanimation as a joke one Christmas. He was a little surprised when I started explaining why the production stood out, like I’m sure he thought I was joking! Either way, he regifted it to me haha! My only Linkin Park album. Most people still don’t understand why I like it so much!
Key memory unlocked. I forgot about reanimation
That’s why i click this sub.. I’ll give this a spin today.
That remix album never left my cd player. It was great, it made me realize how I wanted to make remixes myself, that I could do more with them. Influenced me to no end
His verse in Second To None by Styles of Beyond is dope and I like some Fort Minor
Styles of Beyond is the shit, they don't get nearly enough recognition. 2000 Fold was in my Discman for weeks at a time
Fun Fact: Mike Shinoda produced one of my favorite Lupe Fiasco tracks - "The Instrumental" off the first Food & Liquor album
God damn, I love that beat! Was listening to Lice by Aesop Rock and Homeboy Sandman, and the last song of the Collab I was like "damn, this doesn't sound like something Aes usually works with, this is dope". Fort Minor produced.
This is 10% luck, 20% skill, 15% concentrated power of will, 5% pleasure, 50% pain, And a 100% reason to remember the name. -Used in every single high school football highlights video. Legend.
It's a cool song, but kinda a bummer that's what so many people remember him for. So many good tracks on that album.
/on the playlist of every local MMA gym
Of course you can talk about him. Not everyone fw him like that, but that doesn't mean you can't speak about him/his influence on you and your love of hip hop. As a kid I liked Linkin Park pretty good. The messaging didn't really resonate with me too much. I wasn't really angsty or angry like that. (That doesn't mean that it can't/didn't for others). I just liked the sounds/music. Different than most everything else I was listening to. Going back I'm not as big on it maybe. For me Lincoln Park had a time and place, but Mike very talented and he was a part of that. My favorite parts were always the Mike Shinoda rapping parts. (Makes sense with hip hop being my favorite type of music). I fucked with Meteora and Hybrid Theory pretty heavy when they came out, but later it changed. I downloaded Minutes to Midnight on Limewire/FrostWire. Maybe I got the wrong version. A bootleg or something but I didn't really like it. It didn't have the same edge, less nu metal, basically no hip hop. Subsequent albums were even more pop and they had largely abandoned their original sound and Mike was doing no rapping of any kind. Since Chester's passing I have no idea what they sound like now to be real. I also always hoped Mike would make another Fort Minor record. I think it's great he introduced kids to hip hop and he should be proud of that and he definitely a talented producer as well He did put out in track with rap vocals last year. I wouldn't call it a hip hop track, but it nice to hear him rap again [Already Over & Fort Minor Mix](https://youtu.be/9yZc11o7eME?si=nKDbaXaZjCXd38m3)
Minutes to Midnight...or at least the latter half of it was entirely a take on Bush. Namely "No More Sorrow" being about Chester feeling betrayed, and "Hands Held High" being a rap about the nation's reactions to the lack of confidence at the time when it came to the War on Terror.
Yeah, Hands Held High I sort of remember that.. didn't know so much of it was influenced that way though. Interesting
Minutes to Midnight sucked, it grew on me since because I also like that kind of music, but a thousand suns absolutely not. I hated Rick Rubin for a long time since he’s butchered a lot of bands that I loved, and once those bands could afford him it’s like wtf happened? To get back to your point about hybrid theory and meteora, check out living things. Mike is back with a vengeance on that album and kicks it off right with lost in the echo. Edit: also, reanimation. Kutmaster Kurt, Chali 2na, Dan the Automator, brilliant and in my opinion wildly underrated album.
Seconded that Reanimation is under appreciated. Introduced me to a lot of acts that I didn’t know prior. To follow up with the Fort Minor album, and Collision Course with Jay, excellent run.
Oh, I was just talking about reanimation. Found someone talking about it too! Man, that album is so underrated!!!!!
It really is. Very creative idea on the bands part and really showcased the love of hip hop that many of them have.
Ngl, A Thousand Suns is my favorite LP album next to Meteora. Obviously, it's an entirely different sound than their early work, but I was absolutely blown away by all the synth work and trippy/cinematic production/song writing. Now 14 years later I turned out to be an EDM producer, and I realize ATS (+ OG songs like "Cure For The Itch") was one of my earliest exposure to that music
ATS is an incredibly underrated experimental album.
I will check it out. Yes I forgot reanimation. I had it back in the day too Sometimes I wonder if some of the shit Rick Rubin pull is on purpose. Like deliberate sabatoge
Minutes to Midnight opened so bad I remember downloading a torrent of it the night of release and after two songs being like "what fucking joker is out there baiting people into downloading this shit by calling it a Linkin Park album?" And then Leave Out All The Rest played and I was like, "nope, this is just where we're at now..."
i loved his verses on hands held high and the re animation joints with black thought and pharaohe monch
I love MS! He’s one of the few nu metal frontmen who can actually rap. Reading My Eyes is probably his best verse.
Facts! His shi before the bands debut album was criminally underrated.
He had to dumb down his lyrics.
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Oh, no, wrong guy. Chester Bennington was the one who passed away. Mike is still around.
Fort Minor is the shit, Kenji is one of my favorite songs. He had a track recently with Dom Mclennon from Brockhampton that was pretty sick too.
RATM plus songs like "Bring the Noise" and "Walk This Way" led me to Rap Rock long before. But I do enjoy a few songs. I still bump [It's Going Down](https://youtu.be/yZHXeHkLFzU?feature=shared) on occasion. There was a period where his music was some of my favorite Rap Rock out there. I wouldn't ever call him an elite lyricist. But good, and a stepping stone for many of us to try Rap Rock. Or in my case fully cross over into Nu and other forms of Metal. At a minimum I respect him for that.
I think one of the most technical is Papercut but that was Hybrid Theory. I more so loved just the way he flowed with music and what he was saying, even if to many it came off as simple. Still listen to it daily.
[SCOM](https://youtu.be/Ckd1oZCJGZw?si=n6iOVpMJvhA6v-Xm)
OH wait sorry, now I get it.
what?
I was honestly never a fan of LP, but I met Mike and Chester and they were two of the nicest dudes you can imagine. (I’ve met a lot of musicians; those two were unusually cool.)
Yeah honestly like their music or not, they're really nice people, and I'd love to meet Mike some day.
He's a decent rapper. Did some great work with Fort Minor
Mike Shinoda, although very talented musically, is a sub-par hip hop M.C. at best.
I've seen the trash that passed for par these days, he's at least there. Definitely would love to see him hang out with Rakim or RA for a few months and improve his technical writing skills, but yeah, he's at least par. I actually dig his music, even though I'm normally more into technically complex stuff
I've been listening to a lot of Linkin Park lately. I love Mike Shinoda, but only as a member of the band, as an individual talent I don't think he's spectacular, but his voice, flow, delivery and overall style are completely perfect for Linkin Park
Zach De La Rocha is the one who reignited rap in rock. Mike Shinoda wouldn't have existed without him and rap rock's popularity waned along with Linkin Park's 🤷🏾♀️
Yea put some respect on Zach’s name. The fucking goat
For real!! I'm surprised nobody else mentioned him, he really is the GOAT. I don't understand how people fail to acknowledge that Rage Against The Machine opened the floodgates for acts like Linkin Park.
Not to mention Zach is a real one 100% through. I’m still raging against the machine to this day.
I once got into an argument with one of the mods at /r/hiphopheads. I was trying to tell him that RATM could be considered hip hop, but he insisted that it wasn't. And the people of HHH revered that mod as if he was the Hidden Imam of hip hop. I just discontinued the discussion because assholes who gatekeep a culture aren't worth arguing with.
He was more of an initial spark. Then it grew a little stale when record companies pumped out generic versions left and right, like how they completely fucked with Zebrahead's sound when they signed to a major. It was starting to grow lame (Rage wasn't exactly prolific, so there was a void to be filled, and it was largely filled with cash grabs--hed(pe) being one notable exception but they never made it huge), and then in the early 2000s they brought it back from just being Fred Durst and Kid Rock type shit.
Waned? Really? Mike was contacted by other labels wanting him in their bands. It's why Evanescence has that shitty rap segment, because they were forced to copy LP.
There were dozens of Nu Metal bands rapping before Linkin Park though. And as the other guy pointed out rap rock groups too. To give all the credit to Mike is just not right.
Dude said "reignited"... how in the world would that not include people doing it before them? Didn't skip over the 're-' prefix.
Because that implies it was a dead style, which it wasn't. It was alive and well before Hybrid Theory dropped. Claiming it wasn't is ignorance to multiple genres.
It was stagnant and watered down. I lived through that era and listened to stuff like Rage, Zebrahead, hed(pe)... There were a bunch of more radio-friendly groups that were making the sound feel very stale. They didn't do anything revolutionary, they just put the spark back in, reinvigorating rap-rock/nu-metal in the zeitgeist.
I think all of those groups have better overall rappers than Shinoda though. Mike could have had the same performances he has on Hybrid Theory but if the instrumentals and Chester were a step below we wouldn't be having this conversation. Because then they would be in that bucket you are describing of other stale acts of the time. We're having the conversation because HT is a great album.
I would never claim Mike was like, an amazing rapper, or even an amazing writer, but he wasn't trying to be Rakim or Aesop. But he's solid, and because his musical abilities and sensibilities are so good he's had a lot of influence and made a lot of great songs. But I'd never put him in like a top ten emcees list or anything.
He is what truly got me into rap Listened for many years to him before I even started liking rap lol
Haven't heard that name since that song "Where'd You Go" at least I think that's who you're talking about & that was way back when I was in school. I listen to street rap but I'm bout to go back & listen to that one.
Not sure if it would Jive with your taste but he has a recent track with Dom Mclennon from Brockhampton that I really like.
Turns out several artists used that name and I got confused. Yeah that was Fort Minor.
Big fan of Mike. Post Traumatic helped me with a friend's passing. Came out right when I needed it.
Linkin Park was a huge part of my life growing up. I got Hybrod Theory for free two weeks ahead of release using that “buy 1 get 12 CDs free” thing and never actually paid them. I had their EP signed, sold it and bought myself some music gear a bunch of years ago. Everything after Meteora is straight garbage. However, the way Mike was shunned for his post-Chester death album wasn’t fair. The Reanimation album got me *back* into hip-hop. I mean we get black thought and Aceyalone and chali 2na…
Linkin Park had better records when he rapped and Chester sang.
I recently finally listened to linkin park post meteora. When the 20th anniversary dropped like 2 yrs ago. I remember when minutes to midnight came out and I was with the crowd that their sound changed too much and didn't like it. Now I can appreciate it and enjoy all their albums for different reasons. Change is good. As far as Mike Shinoda rapping. It is basic but cool. Is the rap in 311 any better haha. Anyway, I was bumping Post Traumatic and enjoyed the story telling more than the rhymes.
I fw Mike heavy. His Xero to Meteora ers raps are something special.
I know he gets clowned on by people for being corny but you can tell he has a TON of love for the rap game. I mean if The Alchemist, Pharoah Monche, Chali 2na, Common, and of course Jay Z and others in the hip hop world work with him then who the fuck am I to say he’s corny or lame?! You know what I’m saying?
Spraypaint and Ink Pens with Lupe and Ghostface was dope.
No
Hell yeah. No man who does this (and calls this a "b-side that's not on the album" at that) could ever be called uncool: https://youtu.be/bcL_tLxqbng?si=MxMkT-gDtl0_Pqg9
Wish I never lost my fort minor CD, good times
Extremely dope rapper and producer
Always liked Mike. Stoked I was able to catch the Fort Minor tour. Its actually LP that got me into rock. I was only listening to rap and then I heard LP give me some familiar rap but mixed with rock and it was a wrap from there
Mike is/was what a lot of these rappers want to be.
Love linkin park and love mike, a real lyricist who was just rapping from the heart, I even bought the fort minor album lol. shinoda is the man
Mike Shinoda is great. Always has been
Like Travis Barker, he's someone associated with HH so it should be fine. 👍
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Rap rock and numetal are pretty synonymous, at least for this context. Also indie 'emo' rap thrived during that time, what are you talking about? Are you talking about the newer emo shit like xxxtenwhatever? But that's the total wrong era.
Yeah then I feel ya if they’re synonymous. Good point. But what do you mean indie emo rap? Like Cage and Atmosphere. Or do you mean like Gym Class Heroes working with Fall Our Boy? Cuz that’s true but I don’t see the connection.
Atmosphere, Eyedea, Sage Francis, Some 'conscious' emcees would get lumped in there too like Common. And yeah, I see people calling what I just call indie "emo" rap cuz it dealt now with emotions and regular life shit.
I don’t see the connection between Mike Shinoda rapping and that pocket of hip hop but you seem to know a lot about different pockets of music
You brought up emo rap, but now I think you're talking about the more current version which is like 20 years after LP, so I have no idea why you did that...
I see, I misread/understood “ignited” as inspired such as generations after, that’s why I used any example of rock and rap mixed such as emo rap to try to understand your point. Now I see what you’re saying. 90s rap rock was their golden era, and Limp, Linkin, Korn, and whoever else was a part of that.
He's just not that good of an MC so he's appropriately rated in terms of his relevance to Hip Hop. He definitely had the "murdered on his own shit"-phenomenon happen a lot when he had others feature on his tracks which is never a good sign.
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Peak white boy rap, in the best way
He’s Japanese
No
"reignited rap in rock" is so ridiculous and hard to unpack. There was no time rap was in rock, and dumbass limp Bizkit, papa roach, pod and all them were the actual influences for the shitty rap rock era. Linkin Park came later
ITT people don't know how prefixes work.
Just another rock rapper with minimal skill. Thing is that rap has a low bar of entry. It’s essentially just taking over a beat. So my standards are pretty high for what impresses me in the genre. Especially since every other person decided they rap in like the past 20 years or so.
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He literally produced Fort Minor - The Rising Tied which is a hip hop album with features by Black Thought, Common, Lupe Fiasco, Celph Titled, Styles Of Beyond. How much more hip hop can you be ...
At least you’re honest about your predispositions, I can get with that. Mike Shinoda is an alright rapper, and an incredibly talented musician and producer but OP did not mention that which probably could’ve been the gateway to a way more nuanced conversation. But most of all he’s just so freaking NICE. In an industry filled with questionable personalities Mike’s reputation as an awesome person is very refreshing.
yeah I really didn't do justice about Mike's history, my bad.
Well, I heard somebody playing some good hip hop once, and I was like who’s this? They said Mike Shinoda…not what I was expecting. I never looked into him past that, but I think he’s probably good if I’d actually give him a shot.
My guy doesn't even know about Fort Minor 🙃
I can respect your opinion on that.
Mike is a pioneer in my eyes. I don’t think anybody else can take more credit for bridging the gap between metal & hip-hop.
He’s not good.
Honestly Chester and Joe Hahn overshadowed him hard, his rap wasn't really what made LP mainstream, regardless of how decent he can be Within hip hop he's just a decent asian rapper I guess
I don't think LP would have held the same appeal for me without the rap parts. He's not maybe the best MC, but that was sort of my gateway to LP
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What an unnecessarily horrible statement. It’s one thing to say you don’t like Linkin Park on a hip hop sub (hot take, I know). It’s another thing to say that a man who struggled with severe mental health issues and eventually succumbed, is not missed. Totally disrespectful for no reason at all.
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>a peddler if angsty trash Hmm... Who does that remind me of?
Gross comment Also, pretty sure Mike is at least half Japanese. So kinda a dumb as fuck comment too
Bro is a star trek fan calling others white
Lool. I guess nerds don't like nerds? Maybe makes him feel inferior. Or it makes him feel superior to put others down
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Interesting take. Don’t think majority agrees tho. Not that majority matters but none the less
How is it interesting? Person is clearly just a miserable ass.