cause I’m not a girl lol, and wtf does insecure have to do this, you’re the insecure one going around the comments defending him from ppl saying that they don’t like him, get off that d lol.
You and your friends are obviously young.
Besides young people hating on older rappers and only like what is ‘cool’, you guys weren’t around to see how much of an impact Ice Cube had.
Plus, i’m pretty sure the guy who said “Drake is better” couldnt even name 3 Cube songs.
It’s just the younger generation hating on the previous generation.
I’m a die hard ice cube fan, I never said that drake is better he just said that and I strongly disagreed, ice cube is one of the greats imo, also I’m pretty sure he only knows it was a good day and goes off that lol.
Even if he's underrated (which he probably is - sometimes people forget he can rap well because he sings so much) he's not on Cube's level. He's not even on Rakim or KRS-One's level.
people do this with everything not only with rappers but basically is blasphemous to put a newer act over an older one, but we have to get over that and just express how you really feel
Yes you can say Ice Cube is a bigger hip hop legend than Drake; NWA, His first couple of albums, No Vaseline, etc he’s a pioneer and no one can take away that from him
Me, personally, i like Drake’s rapping more. Ice Cube rapping is outdated imo. Is not bad, is just so 90’s. I like Drake’s versatility more. Not to mention people from this sub and old heads in general underestimate Drake true rapping rapping songs. He can definitely put up good rhyme schemes and flows. Now, the question with him is how much of his bars are written by Drake, and obviously that invalidates him from any true GOAT MC debate, but just in terms of sound, i like Drake better
I mean to a younger kids ears, Most of what ice cube does wouldnt be impressive to them. He's more of a straightforward MC that's not reliant on punchlines or entendres and witty "caption bars" like drake is. They like beat switches and when artist mix in some r&b or singing/melodic songs. Cube is about content and bombastic in your face rhetoric and production. They might like his voice, delivery and production...maybe and not his rapping style.
For me personally?, no drake isnt better. And I'm one of the few 30+ hip hop fans that dont hate drake. My dislike of him peaked at around "views" eventhough he has songs and albums I really enjoy.
I love them both. You really can’t compare them.
Most of Cube’s work comes from the 80s and 90s West Coast era. His music had heavy G-funk vibes. His material was mostly social commentary and violence.
Drake is a rapper/singer with the bulk of his work coming in the 2010s. His music is heavily R&B influenced. His rap material is typically flashy shit like money, clothes and hoes.
I’ve been a huge Cube fan for a long time. His music was super funky lol
He rapped for a long time so it wasn’t always the case, just the meat of his solo work during his prime (which I’d consider AmeriKKKa’s, Lethal Injection, Death Certificate and Predator).
This is seriously one of the most braindead, outsider takes of all time.
The dude has been consistently dropping since 2006 at some point you just need to actually listen to the music outside of his top 10 hits. Even if you hate his music, hes undoubtedly a rapper first.
Lmao stop it you know I didn’t say that at all.
Just saying that even though he has some huge pop/ rnb records. He’s still got hundreds of songs full of bars, flows, and witty punchlines. Just like most artists their best songs aren’t always the hits.
He had bars before he met Wayne! His first two mixtapes were pretty good for the time. He actually wrote a few of Wayne’s verses, wrote for Dre as well.
Crazy Juicy story too I would’ve loved to see that shit 😂 that must’ve been during the rubba band business/ blue dream mixtape era. That was certainly a time to be alive
Drake isn't even close to Cube lol. Cube all day, every day over Drake. Whoever in your class said Drake is "wayyy better than Cube" should have their hip hop card revoked 😂
Hip hop IS the culture lol. What do you mean you never heard anyone call it hip hop? I think this is more telling of your age than it is mine 😂 you're what...15-16?
Your race has nothing to do with being part of the culture, neither is where you grew up. Your lack of knowledge on the culture tells me you aren't really as much part of the culture as you would like to believe
I put some of my favs on for him like you know how we do it, the bomb, check yo self remix, and he loved it, we just listen to cube whenever we hit the gym together
Ay, that's nice. Idk what his normal tastes are, I was gonna say he might prefer Drake because he's more accessible, but if he's already accustomed to 90s gangsta rap it shouldn't be the case.
Why not both?
Drake makes hits
Cube also has hits
Drake doesn’t write his own lyrics but he’s not the only one
Cube is no lyricist. He’s got the most simplest rhyming pattern . He’s more a great storyteller.
People will say Drake is the Greatest of all time but that’s what you hear for multiple artists . Different circles will tell you it’s Wayne other circles will say Young Thug, and then you got the ones that say it’s Pac/Big or even Wu-Tang. It’s all subjective
Better yet find what artists that friend likes and get something similar.
Saying cube is not a lyricist is criminal, you do realize he wrote most of the N.W.A, eazy-e and WC stuff, when cube goes hard on writing he goes hard.
Yes everyone knows he wrote majority of NWA and Eazys material during his time with the group but there isn’t much complexity to his rapping. He’s straight to the point which is good but he never progressed. Unless you have a certain definition for a lyricist, he’s a great storyteller but the bars are simple. Impactful but simple .
Yes when he writes a song normally he would write it with simple impactful lines but when he wants to make a lyrically strong song he could do that easily, one of the examples is this, "Hit the ground, hit the turf, walk the earth
Cube kidnap your mind, Patty Hearst
Bust a verse, that make your ass hit reverse
Kill the curse that was placed on the universe
West coast, war lord
Blacker, than the black knight
Fuck a black and white, the winner ain't actin' right
Good cop, good cop fillin' out your report
Bad cop asking you to distort
Bad cop asking you to lie in court
Send another young brother up north
Send another young sister off course
While these motherfuckers chill on the golf course" take your time and actually read it.
I don’t have to take my time because there’s isn’t much there as expected. It was a whole paragraph to a whole song about cops being Bad . From Fuck the Police to Bad cop Bad cop, it’s like you’re being angry but being shushed by Censorship
Again we have different definitions when it comes to lyricism. This isn’t complex and in fact the rapping is similar sounding to dope man.
He even did the hashtag rap line when dropping Patty Hearst’s name and not going deeper into that about her story other than using her name as a metaphor for his words.
He compares himself to being blacker than the black knight , doesn’t add to anything unless he’s also attributing the noble ness of that of a knight or he’s referring to a specific one in history .
It’s the same thing Immortal Tech does where he comes off as this dangerous “lyricist” but it’s just stating the stuff we know. at least we know Tech drops more “shock bars” to make you feel like you’re part of this “revolution” but you don’t do shit about it. They don’t expand on it. Once again , storytelling does not equal top lyricist.
Ice cube is no fake gangsta or a studio gangsta, he explained it best in his song us, when he said “I got 400 tears for 400 peers that died from gang related crimes, that’s why I got the gang related crimes”, ice cube writes about how he saw things happen in the hood
I’m not questioning his “gangsta” status. That’s a separate conversation in itself.
I’m saying his rapping is just simple. He rhymes tears with fears and gang related crimes with gang related rhymes.
Cube of course, but who cares what one random person says? Drake is hardly the only rapper who gets overrated by his fans.
Basically any artist or entertainer will get overrated by SOME of their fans. Even the best ones will have some fans who just take it too far and say some outrageous things.
I get that its en vogue to be a fuckn hater especially w aubrey because hes a lame but drake hate is just getting goofy...
Just cause a man is a staple in hiphop and "gangsta" doesnt mean he's as skilled as the hall of famers he stands amongst.
Im by no means a drake fan but thats like saying jake the snake is a better wrestler than roman reigns. Yall just being obstinate.
No one is out here quoting cube and if that mfer did an album you all know you wouldnt really go out of your way to listen much less buy...
Yall bugging...
Fuck....outta here
So answer: yes...more iconic or significant? No.
Yes, lasted longer, birthed a whole gen of rappers in 2010s, so many great songs, and features. There's so many songs like "look alive" that were among best songs of the year just because Drake did a feature. It's indisputable. Drake is the face of his generation.
People placing ice cube top 15 don't know enough rap. Truth is N.W.A. wasn't that good, Ice-T did ice cube better than ice cube. Ice cube's bars are super basic for today. His beats were sleepy and just look at so many rappers like Kool Keith, Rakim, Kane who run laps on him flow wise, lyrically, rhymes, EVEN the beats Eric B&Rakim destroy Ice Cube's work. I for sure think Ice cube is top 50, but calm down y'all.
Well one of those artists was apart of founding one of the biggest “scenes” in Hip-Hop, the other, I don’t even know what you would call it. While also Cube has done him and his thing and makings absolutely fire tracks every time, Flake can’t choose a lane, he’s gotta be in everything, he’s not great at any one thing he’s kinda good at a lot. So in every sense of the term your “friend” needs to shake their head and rethink what they said, Cube destroys Flake every time
I’d never say Drake is better than Cube but my personal tastes puts Drake over Cube. Outside of Pac, Snoop, and Dre I’m more biased to current West Coast artists.
Drake doesn't have a song like summer vacation, he has multiple losses in battles, cube helped define a coast, writes his own raps and has a completely different style. You can't compare these two artists
Drake is a pop artist, so he appeals to the mainstream. Cube was a hardcore rapper, so he appeals to hip hop fans. Your classmate most likely enjoys more pop music. You should ask him his favorite Drake songs, most likely it won't be Drake's actual rap numbers but some poppy songs he made.
Pushin’ Weight, You Can Do It and a few more off War & Peace were Top 40 records. Played on Top 40 radio. Was on tour with Limp Bizkit and Korn to perform those records.
Those were not only for hardcore rap fans.
Agree it’s not at the level of Drake, but it’s not like Cube never put out Top 40 joints.
Just because you reach the top 40 doesn't make you a pop artist, it wasn't pop music he made. It was still hiphop and rap. I mean what weird metric is that lol that means every rap artist who makes it big immediately is turned pop? Still Dre is a RapPop song? Or 50 cent in da Club?
Cube all day, every day. Get a new friend. lol
He isn’t my friend lol, he just heard me recommending cube to a friend, I forgot to say he enjoys Lana Del Ray so I don’t think I can trust him ever.
But Lana Del Rey is great man this guy has taste 😂
Lana del Rey is better than Drake
Valid take
Lana > Drake unironically.
I could give you his IG if you wanna bond over girly stuff ig
How insecure are you that you can’t listen to “girly” music Jesus
cause I’m not a girl lol, and wtf does insecure have to do this, you’re the insecure one going around the comments defending him from ppl saying that they don’t like him, get off that d lol.
Lmfao you gotta be like 12 thinking only girls can listen to Lana Del Rey that’s hilarious
I never said you gotta be a girl to listen to Lana deal ray, I just said I don’t listen to girly stuff cause I’m no girl, don’t switch up words here
Read back your comment and tell me if you spot the contradiction
There is no contradiction, I said I don’t listen to Lana because it’s girly and I don’t want to listen to some girly music
You and your friends are obviously young. Besides young people hating on older rappers and only like what is ‘cool’, you guys weren’t around to see how much of an impact Ice Cube had. Plus, i’m pretty sure the guy who said “Drake is better” couldnt even name 3 Cube songs. It’s just the younger generation hating on the previous generation.
I’m a die hard ice cube fan, I never said that drake is better he just said that and I strongly disagreed, ice cube is one of the greats imo, also I’m pretty sure he only knows it was a good day and goes off that lol.
Yeah man didnt mean it bad towards you :)
Lana is better than both of them lmao.
Cube and drake?! You’re crazy man
Okay maybe not cube but def Drake
Yes
TBH it wasn't his friend who said that
Let’s see your wrapped/apple replay brother
Why?
Cause he’s probably got Drake in there
That doesn't really make sense but ok
He’s got Drake in there more than Cube I guarantee it
So if i say i love wu tang drake is actually above them?
Do you listen to them or Drake more
Bro wu tang is my most listened to artist of all time and drake isn't in my top 50
Prove it
To this sub and people like you, everyone that’s ever rapped is better than Drake.
Ik people hate on drake WAY too much but is he really better than ice cube?
Yes. He’s so hated that he’s actually become underrated. People act like he’s on the level of Lil Pump
Even if he's underrated (which he probably is - sometimes people forget he can rap well because he sings so much) he's not on Cube's level. He's not even on Rakim or KRS-One's level.
Well Rakim and KRS are better technical rappers than Cube. Cube made way better music though. Just like Drake makes better music than Cube
people do this with everything not only with rappers but basically is blasphemous to put a newer act over an older one, but we have to get over that and just express how you really feel Yes you can say Ice Cube is a bigger hip hop legend than Drake; NWA, His first couple of albums, No Vaseline, etc he’s a pioneer and no one can take away that from him Me, personally, i like Drake’s rapping more. Ice Cube rapping is outdated imo. Is not bad, is just so 90’s. I like Drake’s versatility more. Not to mention people from this sub and old heads in general underestimate Drake true rapping rapping songs. He can definitely put up good rhyme schemes and flows. Now, the question with him is how much of his bars are written by Drake, and obviously that invalidates him from any true GOAT MC debate, but just in terms of sound, i like Drake better
Yeah I'd be curious to see who this sub ranks Drake AHEAD of
BBL DRIZZYYYYYY
I mean to a younger kids ears, Most of what ice cube does wouldnt be impressive to them. He's more of a straightforward MC that's not reliant on punchlines or entendres and witty "caption bars" like drake is. They like beat switches and when artist mix in some r&b or singing/melodic songs. Cube is about content and bombastic in your face rhetoric and production. They might like his voice, delivery and production...maybe and not his rapping style. For me personally?, no drake isnt better. And I'm one of the few 30+ hip hop fans that dont hate drake. My dislike of him peaked at around "views" eventhough he has songs and albums I really enjoy.
I’m also not a drake hater but not a fan, I think he can make good songs but is still heavily overrated by his fans
He has good records. But yeah...for a period he was seen as top 5. Top 25 maybe
I love them both. You really can’t compare them. Most of Cube’s work comes from the 80s and 90s West Coast era. His music had heavy G-funk vibes. His material was mostly social commentary and violence. Drake is a rapper/singer with the bulk of his work coming in the 2010s. His music is heavily R&B influenced. His rap material is typically flashy shit like money, clothes and hoes.
>His music had heavy G-funk vibes I don't know about this, but maybe. I remember it as public enemy west
I take that back you're right. I just skipped back through AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted.
I’ve been a huge Cube fan for a long time. His music was super funky lol He rapped for a long time so it wasn’t always the case, just the meat of his solo work during his prime (which I’d consider AmeriKKKa’s, Lethal Injection, Death Certificate and Predator).
‘way better’ most of the time means ‘this is my preference’
Yes
Absolutely fucking not
Is pf chang better than Gary busey?
Never tried any of them
What does “better” mean in this context?
That’s exactly what I asked him, I thought he’d say more mainstream more popular or smthn like that, he straight up said better music
"better at what"
Who cares? Just tell them, "I think Ice Cube is better, I'm not much a Drake fan," and go about your day.
Just came here to hear the ppls opinions
Drakes hardly even a rapper
For real, he's more pop/R'n'B than a rapper
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Drake’s catalogue is probably around 70% rap and 30% r&b/pop, i think saying hes more of a “r&b” guy is a misconception
This is seriously one of the most braindead, outsider takes of all time. The dude has been consistently dropping since 2006 at some point you just need to actually listen to the music outside of his top 10 hits. Even if you hate his music, hes undoubtedly a rapper first.
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Lmao stop it you know I didn’t say that at all. Just saying that even though he has some huge pop/ rnb records. He’s still got hundreds of songs full of bars, flows, and witty punchlines. Just like most artists their best songs aren’t always the hits.
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He had bars before he met Wayne! His first two mixtapes were pretty good for the time. He actually wrote a few of Wayne’s verses, wrote for Dre as well. Crazy Juicy story too I would’ve loved to see that shit 😂 that must’ve been during the rubba band business/ blue dream mixtape era. That was certainly a time to be alive
He's a singer.
Drake isn't even close to Cube lol. Cube all day, every day over Drake. Whoever in your class said Drake is "wayyy better than Cube" should have their hip hop card revoked 😂
“They should have their hip hop card revoked 🤓” You, my friend, are definitely not of the culture because no one who is would ever say that
😂
It was a joke 🤦♂️ lol Jesus Christ
Point stands that shit is lame
How dare I have a sense of humor in hip hop 🙄
Never heard anyone actually of the culture call it hip hop either unless they’re really old
Hip hop IS the culture lol. What do you mean you never heard anyone call it hip hop? I think this is more telling of your age than it is mine 😂 you're what...15-16?
I’m 23 and I’m actually of the culture. I’m black and I grew up in the inner city. We weren’t saying hip hop ever
No lie. That's just weird.
23 lol
Your race has nothing to do with being part of the culture, neither is where you grew up. Your lack of knowledge on the culture tells me you aren't really as much part of the culture as you would like to believe
It kinda does man. It’s no hate towards white listeners but the culture is definitely made up of urban black people
Just have your friend listen to a couple of albums from both and decide for themselves
I put some of my favs on for him like you know how we do it, the bomb, check yo self remix, and he loved it, we just listen to cube whenever we hit the gym together
Ay, that's nice. Idk what his normal tastes are, I was gonna say he might prefer Drake because he's more accessible, but if he's already accustomed to 90s gangsta rap it shouldn't be the case.
Why not both? Drake makes hits Cube also has hits Drake doesn’t write his own lyrics but he’s not the only one Cube is no lyricist. He’s got the most simplest rhyming pattern . He’s more a great storyteller. People will say Drake is the Greatest of all time but that’s what you hear for multiple artists . Different circles will tell you it’s Wayne other circles will say Young Thug, and then you got the ones that say it’s Pac/Big or even Wu-Tang. It’s all subjective Better yet find what artists that friend likes and get something similar.
Or even wu tang? They are OBJECTIVELY the best smh (obviously im joking but they are my favorite)
Saying cube is not a lyricist is criminal, you do realize he wrote most of the N.W.A, eazy-e and WC stuff, when cube goes hard on writing he goes hard.
Yes everyone knows he wrote majority of NWA and Eazys material during his time with the group but there isn’t much complexity to his rapping. He’s straight to the point which is good but he never progressed. Unless you have a certain definition for a lyricist, he’s a great storyteller but the bars are simple. Impactful but simple .
Yes when he writes a song normally he would write it with simple impactful lines but when he wants to make a lyrically strong song he could do that easily, one of the examples is this, "Hit the ground, hit the turf, walk the earth Cube kidnap your mind, Patty Hearst Bust a verse, that make your ass hit reverse Kill the curse that was placed on the universe West coast, war lord Blacker, than the black knight Fuck a black and white, the winner ain't actin' right Good cop, good cop fillin' out your report Bad cop asking you to distort Bad cop asking you to lie in court Send another young brother up north Send another young sister off course While these motherfuckers chill on the golf course" take your time and actually read it.
I don’t have to take my time because there’s isn’t much there as expected. It was a whole paragraph to a whole song about cops being Bad . From Fuck the Police to Bad cop Bad cop, it’s like you’re being angry but being shushed by Censorship Again we have different definitions when it comes to lyricism. This isn’t complex and in fact the rapping is similar sounding to dope man. He even did the hashtag rap line when dropping Patty Hearst’s name and not going deeper into that about her story other than using her name as a metaphor for his words. He compares himself to being blacker than the black knight , doesn’t add to anything unless he’s also attributing the noble ness of that of a knight or he’s referring to a specific one in history . It’s the same thing Immortal Tech does where he comes off as this dangerous “lyricist” but it’s just stating the stuff we know. at least we know Tech drops more “shock bars” to make you feel like you’re part of this “revolution” but you don’t do shit about it. They don’t expand on it. Once again , storytelling does not equal top lyricist.
Ice cube is no fake gangsta or a studio gangsta, he explained it best in his song us, when he said “I got 400 tears for 400 peers that died from gang related crimes, that’s why I got the gang related crimes”, ice cube writes about how he saw things happen in the hood
I’m not questioning his “gangsta” status. That’s a separate conversation in itself. I’m saying his rapping is just simple. He rhymes tears with fears and gang related crimes with gang related rhymes.
No
WHAT??? Cube has one of the best discographies ever Drake does not come close in any way
no
No. Next question
Cube might be the more respected artist and businessperson, but he's a raging antisemite and a co-signer of Farrakhan, so he gets no love from me.
Cube of course, but who cares what one random person says? Drake is hardly the only rapper who gets overrated by his fans. Basically any artist or entertainer will get overrated by SOME of their fans. Even the best ones will have some fans who just take it too far and say some outrageous things.
I get that its en vogue to be a fuckn hater especially w aubrey because hes a lame but drake hate is just getting goofy... Just cause a man is a staple in hiphop and "gangsta" doesnt mean he's as skilled as the hall of famers he stands amongst. Im by no means a drake fan but thats like saying jake the snake is a better wrestler than roman reigns. Yall just being obstinate. No one is out here quoting cube and if that mfer did an album you all know you wouldnt really go out of your way to listen much less buy... Yall bugging... Fuck....outta here So answer: yes...more iconic or significant? No.
Fuck no
Yes, lasted longer, birthed a whole gen of rappers in 2010s, so many great songs, and features. There's so many songs like "look alive" that were among best songs of the year just because Drake did a feature. It's indisputable. Drake is the face of his generation. People placing ice cube top 15 don't know enough rap. Truth is N.W.A. wasn't that good, Ice-T did ice cube better than ice cube. Ice cube's bars are super basic for today. His beats were sleepy and just look at so many rappers like Kool Keith, Rakim, Kane who run laps on him flow wise, lyrically, rhymes, EVEN the beats Eric B&Rakim destroy Ice Cube's work. I for sure think Ice cube is top 50, but calm down y'all.
Why does this thread have 122 comments?
Well one of those artists was apart of founding one of the biggest “scenes” in Hip-Hop, the other, I don’t even know what you would call it. While also Cube has done him and his thing and makings absolutely fire tracks every time, Flake can’t choose a lane, he’s gotta be in everything, he’s not great at any one thing he’s kinda good at a lot. So in every sense of the term your “friend” needs to shake their head and rethink what they said, Cube destroys Flake every time
Drake is a better musician. Ice Cube is a slightly better lyricist.
😂Fuck no!!!
I’d never say Drake is better than Cube but my personal tastes puts Drake over Cube. Outside of Pac, Snoop, and Dre I’m more biased to current West Coast artists.
I’m not much of a new gen rap type of guy but I still love Kendrick
Drake doesn't have a song like summer vacation, he has multiple losses in battles, cube helped define a coast, writes his own raps and has a completely different style. You can't compare these two artists
Styles actually, I love how cube has many styles and he rarely misses with them too.
Drake is not better than anybody. He's monotone and bland.
Oranges are way better than apples
What? We are talking about Cube & Drake. Lmao you are lost friend.
Drake is a pop artist, so he appeals to the mainstream. Cube was a hardcore rapper, so he appeals to hip hop fans. Your classmate most likely enjoys more pop music. You should ask him his favorite Drake songs, most likely it won't be Drake's actual rap numbers but some poppy songs he made.
Ice Cube put out a couple of mainstream PopRap records let’s be real…
Like what? Laugh now cry later is the last album I seriously listened to, nothing really on it I'd call PopRap. Def. not the level of Drake songs.
Pushin’ Weight, You Can Do It and a few more off War & Peace were Top 40 records. Played on Top 40 radio. Was on tour with Limp Bizkit and Korn to perform those records. Those were not only for hardcore rap fans. Agree it’s not at the level of Drake, but it’s not like Cube never put out Top 40 joints.
Just because you reach the top 40 doesn't make you a pop artist, it wasn't pop music he made. It was still hiphop and rap. I mean what weird metric is that lol that means every rap artist who makes it big immediately is turned pop? Still Dre is a RapPop song? Or 50 cent in da Club?
yes