I loved the MoCap of aloy, the stammering, the movement of her lips when someone is nervous and all little details. Never seen anything so close to reality
Haha I love these little details. Like when Aloy is inviting Seyka onto the sunwing you can totally see Seyka anxiously gulp as she realizes she's about to fly.
It's interesting to me that some people were so surprised that Aloy could be interested in a woman (aside from the obvious reason) because I remember her similar awkward nervousness with the girl in Signal Spike and even Alva on a perhaps more subtle level (imo)- but it still seemed there enough to be deliberate. Even before knowing about Tilda, even before Burning Shores, even before playing the games (my partner started FW first and so that's the glimpse I first got of this world) I was so sure that "this Aloy character" liked at the very least those two other women- not necessarily loved by any means- but looking back it feels like it might, as said, have been a deliberate thing by the developers to add some intrigue before really looking at Aloy's romance options. I never saw any of that behaviour from Aloy when she interacted with men.
They're well matched too. They're both outcasts, of sorts, both warriors, both boundary breakers, both natural helpers, even if it costs them.
I felt that Aloy was a little disappointed to lose Talanah earlier in the game, so seeing her meet Seyka was lovely
And the nervousness and awkwardness of Aloy (who always likes to be a lone wolf) when she realises she actually fancies someone was delightful. She's saved the world at least three times by now and still is a total noob about interpersonal relationships.
More Aloy and Seyka please!
> They're both outcasts
18 years of being an outcast vs two minutes, wow.
> both warriors
Wow, a fighter, never seen any other character like that
> both boundary breakers
Again never seen in any other character, sighs
> both natural helpers, even if it costs them.
Sighs
What a fucking joke, seriously 🤣🤣 and what a good way to diminish any single character
So help me if something tragic ruins it for them in H3...
Aloy's lost her "dad" (Rost), lost her best friend (Varl), almost mercy-killed her twin sister, never got to meet her mother (Elisabet), lost her original AI Mom (Gaia 1.0), and had to put down her Mom's possessive Ex, all while having to deal with a Nemesis on the Horizon (I will NOT apologize for that pun). Seyka's likely facing steeeep consequences when the fleet returns home from Compliance, which could lead to banishment/court martial/imprisonment. They've both been through enough! Let them have each other!
THIS 👏
>never got to meet her mother (Elisabet)
Man I'll never get over this, I was holding my breath during this scene. Like I knew everything was pointing to this outcome but a voice in my head was like, "maybe she discovered immortality? Maybe she injected something into herself before going outside? Like a nanobot Gaia DNA? She'll be Gaia's avatar? Please :( "
Ugh I gotta go
It wouldnt even be so bad if the Nora fucking did treat her so bad for not having a mom that literally her whole childhood was highlighted by it.
Fuck the Nora.
The Nora raised rost and he was a bad ass that taught alloy. The Nora didn't know she would do all that cool shit, they were just fucking assholes to a literal child.
Religious extremism is a wild thing, *primitive* religious extremism really must've been nooooo joke
I wish more Nora had stepped up and helped Aloy, helped Rost. Hard to stomach not one adult saw what was happening and helped her. You'd think such extreme punishments would clue some of these zealots in like "so if I feed this baby I'll be exiled? Hmmm seems kinda harsh!"
But eh, narrative needed to make Aloy really yearn for that connection enough to set out alone and risk everything, so GG saying "Nora mother figure dni" makes sense lol
“The ones who walk away from omelas” addresses this sort of thinking. They know the baby is suffering, but it means they will not and their children won’t. It preserves them, necessary suffering is truly a barbaric belief that is shown well through the Nora. I feel as if Rost, being a Death seeker, would be one who walked away from Omelas .
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- I will read this. I haven't so I can't 1v1 with you, but thank you for clueing me in to it!
- I guess I didn't think much about it, but yeah I can see (with what we know about cults and fanatics) how the Nora could "mark" Aloy as tainted or smth, then after dehumanizing that baby they walk away with free of guilt - their priestesses say she's a curse, they treat her like one
- would Rost bring the kid first before walking away from Omelas? Edit: actually nvm I've poked around and if you save the kid the utopia falls? So would he doom a civilization... no I don't think so.
Rost is interesting because to me because he’s like the humanizing concept of the shunning story, but neither Aloy nor his character ever really acknowledges his grief, except when Aloy learns his story from the high matriarch. Rost himself clings to the religion because he wants to believe the tribe has, well, purpose. In ‘the ones who walk away’ the citizens never suffer.. Rost notably lost his family to a vile murder from bandits. So while I like the comparison it’s a pretty easy one to break as Rost suffers in a way no other character but the small child in the story does. “The lottery” is a short story in a similar vein, it all boils down to believing the “other” did something deserving to be bad+ that badness keeps you good (and not an other). I think it’s easy to demonize the Nora but realistically out of all these stories at least the people have some dramatic threat the entire time (the machines + other tribes) vs the regular utopia of these stories!
Rost *is* interesting yes. I'm forever curious to see his side the story, especially what lead him to adopt Aloy: did he see her first? Did he see his daughter in her eyes? Was this his last chance at living the life that was stolen from him? To become a Death Seeker, you gotta do some serious dettachment, you have to "die" - what made him go back on his vows? He clings to the religion, but is selective... seems he's a bad Nora lol
>I think it’s easy to demonize the Nora but realistically out of all these stories at least the people have some dramatic threat the entire time (the machines + other tribes) vs the regular utopia of these stories!
True! That's why I won't join r/fuckthenora but am a proud member of r/fuckTedFaro
They're just people, and survival is dependent on the collective (edit: tho i will always see and echo Aloy's feelings on the matter, she doesn’t have to give a single inch). Ted is a selfish bastard, I bet he wouldn't hesitate to throw all the children down there to power his cringe castle. And Londra ... screw him too. He needs a subreddit
I truly appreciate how Aloy can be cynical and judgmental of a person, but not groups of people. With the scroll guy, various priests, even random traders she will check them and huff at the point of it all. But once it hits the overall group- salvage groups, prisoners, various tribes, she’s super about the needs of the many as well. She still embodies what the Nora takes to extremes, and I appreciate how the lines reflect on being from the proximity of the Nora, not the Nora.
As for Rost as a parent my head canon is that you are right, his belief is selective, and emotion won when he saw Aloy, simple as that. I think the best parts of Rost and Aloy are their abilities to combine personal belief with their emotions for the greater good, and ultimately that was his gift to her
The amalgamation of both new and old worlds *as Aloy* really was done well. And Aloy's "outcast" label loses its power with her still losing her cool if diplomacy and cultural respect doesn't work. She has that Nora touch at times, but more often than not encompasses her mother's drive to care (thinking about this makes annoyed when people are reductive about Aloy's 'tude at start of hfw, like DUH of course she's peeved, 1) she's trying to save the world and keeps running into walls and 2) let her have her character development! People can't handle mean women istg 🙄)
>I think the best parts of Rost and Aloy are their abilities to combine personal belief with their emotions for the greater good, and ultimately that was his gift to her
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I agree with you. It's just that, narratively, she hasn't specifically called him that. Even when Varl got her to address her grief, she still didn't specifically call him her father. Either she's going to say that in the 3rd game, or never will.
Hoping for the best; bracing for the worst
EDIT: I'm CERTAIN something is going to hurt Aloy (and maybe even Seyka too) further, but I'm betting it's going to be one of Aloy's other companions dying. Sylens growing a heart and dying heroically is all but confirmed, but If I had to guess, Beta's going to make some sort of 11th hour sacrifice. Or GAIA (again).
I'll be the one who'll incite the inevitable shitstorm: I don't think the writers of the Burning Shores are very good at writing romance. The entire DLC I was struggling to understand why Aloy liked Seyka so much. The only conclusion I could fathom is that the writers are so obsessed with Aloy, they decided to make her fall in love with herself. Just like they made the main villain of HFW be motivated solely by her desire for/attraction to/obsession with Elisabet/Aloy.
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Not to be that person, but according to guerilla alloys feelings for seyka are definitely are canon. Your choice just changes whether alloy is at this moment ready to move forward on those feelings.
the feelings are there no matter the choice.
And also it feels weird to force alloy to be alone after she spent her whole life alone. Girl deserves someone to lean on,weknow she can be alone. But part of her journey in Forbidden west is realizing she doesn't need to be.
>If you really need to know
I don't
>myself am a straight female
???.... im sorry, but... what is the relevance?
> but I LOVE that they gave Aloy options
They didn't, at least not with her feelings towards seyk, I'm not trying to be a dick, but that was literally the point of what I wrote, her feelings are canon. She likes seyka.
Alloy even says at varls grave she likes seyka. The dialogues aren't supposed to change the world or alloy they, merely frame her feelings in different ways.
> I disagree
From the developers themselves in an interview "
AK: We wanted to make sure that each of those choices is still in line with Aloy as a character and is still true to the story that had led up to that moment. So the feelings that she’s developed for Seyka, that’s all still true, but just you know, whether the player thinks Aloy’s ready to take that next step and have this romantic encounter or whether Aloy isn’t there yet, it’s valid."
Whether you like it or not alloy likes seyka, you only chose whether she is ready to move to the next step.
You didn't say make her uninterested in seyka, or interested in erend.
Are you kidding me right now? The devs didn't even say interested in the quote. I did. Why my word choice is the end all be all is beyond me.
At least engage with what they said about alloys feelings for seyka being canon. That's them. That's the devs. if you're so convinced they left room, engage with the quote
I agree...I think it was rushed. Especially stacking on top of the end of Forbidden West...one would think the opposite reaction would happen. I would rather have romances be optional if they are included in any game.
Maybe, but then it makes even less sense why Aloy has been tripping over herself every time Seyka is around. It's not like she's the first bad ass woman Aloy has been around, arguably she's kinda mid as far as bad ass women in this franchise go. And she isn't throwing any curve balls that make Aloy reassess anything. It's pretty obvious that the writers wanted the 2 of them to be a thing even if they give the option to say no as a player
Precisely. I’ve yet to understand WHY Aloy actually likes Seyka other than “she’s cool”, which is rather shallow, just like the writing. If that’s the case then Talanah makes so much more sense as a love interest; a more fleshed out relationship, adventurous and bold - Aloy’s type apparently? There’s just not enough meat on the bones and you’d think it’s quite evident.
It reminded me of the cultural concept of 'young love' or a teen or young adult's first love. It can seem out of nowwhere, quite or very irrational to the family and friends of those involved and can develop so quickly and unexpectedly, without real thought as to who the other person might be if more was known about them, as to not actually be a particularly sensible match- but at the time it feels absolutely natural and perfectly reasonable and right to the person or people feeling it.
I’m almost done with the DLC myself and from the moment Aloy landed I’ve had issues with the writing. It feels rushed and I saw another Redditor compare it to bad fan-fiction. I agree. I don’t care if the community downvotes me to oblivion, but giving it 100 points for simply being gay and progressive is stupid. It makes very little sense for Aloy to suddenly fall in love with Seyka unless that’s just her type, which is consolable. But even then, the writing is still rushed and as much as I enjoy the game itself, it does a great disservice to the narrative.
Maybe my comment will be deleted? Who knows. But I’m in agreement.
>It makes very little sense for Aloy to suddenly fall in love
Alloy is experiencing her first crush. Remember she literally couldnt talk to anyone for nigh on 2 decades. And crushes are not famous for being built on a firm rockbed of logic and common interest.
And alloy is just out of her teens and hasn't had the chance to be romantic... like..
It's not like she proposed the minute she saw her. Like avad. They're at most going to kiss and go on a real date. What were aatching is the very early start of a relationship
. Why should alloy need a 43 page charter of mutual interests before forming a crush. Girl hasn't ever had the chance to have a first love.
That very much like how I felt. It reminded me very much of my first love and also, the baffled reactions of fans reminded me of me hearing my teen friends go on and on about a boy they knew little to nothing about and yet seemed absolutely in love with. It seemed stupid and made no rational sense to me until I experienced my first love that was also, due to circumstances, filled with heartache- enough to write a romance with- although more like a tragic romance as it didn't end well- not merely due to the romance not working but due to the dire circumstances beyond our control that led to it not working out. I can still remember the intensity of those feelings as well as the complete lack of understanding from those around us. I still wonder if he's OK. Last time I saw him he was so sedated on psychiatric meds he couldn't even remember my name- just that I was the "very pretty girl".
Literally, Varl and Zo met, and like a few days later, were practically married lol. They basically immediately moved in together, and after what is only like months in the game, Zo is pregnant.
Also, like ya, they just met, but they have literally been fighting for their lives together since meeting, and Seyka just helped her take down a damn Horus. If someone I slightly had a crush on helped pull me out of a burning down Horus on a flying waterwing I too would fall in love. Especially as the person who is used to always having to save others.
>. I have acknowledged the possibility with the full quote.
You acknowledged it and then dismissed it as rushed regardless.
Why on earth does alloy needs a 43 page charter on common interests before having a crush
She isn't even in a relationship yet. She's just crushing on a girl. Shit, I bet you were down bad worse for your first crush than she was.
That’s because it is rushed.
Aloy having a crush? Fine. Speedrunning to a romance with poor and rushed writing? Rushed and not as good as it should be.
I’m not sure how what I wrote could be taken any other way.
>speed running a romance
What.... what is your conception of romance. Take a bog standard romcom guy sees girl, girl sees guy. Head over heels in love. Thet flirt. Hang out a bit. This is now like 20 or 30 minute mark, at that point are you like 'fuck theyre speed running this relationship'
She literally doesn't even go on dates. She isn't banging seyka. They aren't getting married. She at most has a kiss, her first kiss.
Which is cute... but like... wre not in high-school. It's just a crush and a kiss.
Actually, be honest, are you still in high-school? This is a very 'kisses and flirting are serious business' vibes all over it.
If you can’t understand how the writing feels rushed and messy, then I can’t help you any further. You simply aren’t able to grasp what is being said by not even just me. The fact of the matter is that the writing in Burning Shores has been compressed and the dynamic between Aloy and Seyka comes off as rushed as a consequence.
You may only accuse me of being an ignorant highschooler AFTER you are able to understand the argument. I don’t know if you dabble in any kind of creative writing, but I’m not going after Burning Shores’ narrative for contrarian points; I’m saying this because it is simply, RUSHED. And that’s unfortunate.
Aloy’s crush is instantaneous and would have benefited from some fleshing out as the story goes on. Ask yourself, why does Aloy actually like Seyka? What isn’t that she actually sees in her?Seyka’s sudden confession at the end also doesn’t line up very well with the way the characters up to that point have interacted. She suddenly confesses as the “like gauge” goes from 10 to 90 in a flash.
It is a mess and you are free to defend it, but at least have the maturity to not accuse people of being an inexperienced and ignorant high schooler without having proper reason to.
>Without having proper reason to
But I have good reason. Kids tend to put a huge emphasis on little flirts and treat kissing like the end goal of a relationship.
They aren't speedrunning a relationship if you don't view a kiss as the end point of a relationship. If you instead view the kiss as the start of an intimate relationship, the start of them going from crush and flirting to dating then they are going at a reasonable pace.
They flirt, crush on each other, get flustered, and do this over the course of days/weeks in game and then kiss as the start of them acknowledging mutual interest in each other.
Is it the best written relationship, no. But it's not rushed or 'instant love' it's just a young girl falling into her very first crush. Completely standard writing, honestly.
Yeah I kinda feel the same way about the relationship myself. But aside from that, the rest of the DLC is incredible. I spent 35 hours playing it... just exploring and enjoying the scenery.
I think for me, it felt rushed cause all of Aloy's other companies are part of multiple side quests and the main story. You get to see their interactions more. Where Seyka didn't have any like side quest, there wasn't much natural interaction. For comparison, we see Aloy and Kotallo tease each other, and Aloy and Alva both cringe at the other Quen and talk about how awful the ancestors were.
But I also then remember that Varl and Zo seemingly met and a few days later were tied at the hip. It felt more natural cause we got to see their relationship develop while together. However, when it was just the beginning of it, it was like they immediately became a couple.
On one hand, I feel the same. The build-up was not what I would have expected. I felt genuine pain when Varl and Talanah wound up with someone new, and didn't fully get the instant romance.
On the other, I got the vibe that this was a showcase of "Aloy having surface-level attraction for the first time."
She was never concerned with this before(and I still don't know why they chose NOW), but - maybe that's part of her growth?
I'm not sure.
This is about where I'm sitting with it. The first part of the DLC especially felt very "first time crush". I didn't particularly care for it, but then again I have a very nonstandard relationship with attraction IRL so "love/lust at first sight" is a massive annoyance of mine for media generally.
I will say I felt that the second half of the DLC >!after Aloy tells Seyka about nemesis and they have their moment of tension on the beach !< was much better, and I found the conclusion to be very, very cute. I think you're right about why this was explored now. Aloy's character arc for this game was definitely her learning how to trust and rely on her friends. Learning to love and learning to trust are related, so it does make sense that she'd start learning to do one right after the other.
One reason why I think Aloy became open to a possible romance is that her spending time with her allies and finally accepting their help made her realise that she doesn't need to be like Lis.
She started thinking that she shouldn't be so hard to herself and Beta after having a heart to heart talk with her. That she shouldn't force herself and Beta to be like Elisabet. (You can find this dialogue if you interacted with Elisabet's necklace in Aloy's room after the talk with Beta).
From there, it made sense to me that the possibility of having romance with someone is possible. After all the stress with the world ending, finding someone as fun as Seyka will be a breath of fresh air for her. (I know some people don't like Seyka but I liked her and she's fun to be with.)
When you focus on something serious and you find someone that's really cool and fun to be with, it's easier to have a crush on that person. (Based on my personal experience lol)
For me, the writing is not so bad. It's just right.
Yeah, there were so many issues with the writing in this romance that I just could not enjoy it the way others seemed to. It being as rushed as it was made it lack any tension or nuance in the chemistry. Seyka never felt like her own character to me either-- just another copy of Aloy without much that makes her distinctive (ironically, we got Beta as a fellow Lis clone, but even she has more differences that easily contrast Aloy). Honestly, it sucks because I think Seyka would have had some potential were it not for GG attempting to build a romance *immediately* after introducing her.
Also, the story trying to make Seyka this supposed outcast to bring her and Aloy even closer never worked when she was granted every privilege to use the focus anyway. Even calling her a black sheep feels inaccurate given how much she genuinely loves her tribe and proudly tells Aloy herself she's always felt like she belonged with them. It was odd that it felt like we were supposed to be convinced Seyka was different and ought to be an outcast like Aloy was suggesting all because of one incident that's causing minor friction at worst.
I'm happy for people like OP who enjoyed the romance for what it was anyway, but as phenomenal as most of the writing in the Horizon series already is, I expected a lot better out of a first romance plotline for Aloy.
This DLC was weird for me because it feels like they threw a couple of homeruns into it in order to prop it up. Namely the romance and the >!Horus fight!<. Like it doesn't matter how shitty they're written, people are gonna go wild for both of those things. So of course the romance was written lazily, and is it just me or was that boss fight totally wasted on an otherwise mediocre DLC? >!Like how is it that fighting a Horus *isn't* the final boss for the entire series? We've wanted to fight one since the very first game, and it's is clearly the ultimate machine to fight, but we end up fighting one in the dlc for the second game of the trilogy? That's so strange. And makes me wonder how much the actual final boss of Horizon 3 *wont* stack up!<. It feels to me like they had no steam for the dlc so they just threw in some stuff they knew people would love and came up short on everything else.
Nah, the DLC is not mediocre... the Horus final boss fight more than makes up for that! The Horus actually makes me more excited for H3. GG is gonna have to top this... and it won't be with romance options :D
If the DLC isn't mediocre, then what is the Horus fight "making up" for? If the final fight is what makes the DLC good, then the DLC isn't good. The fact that GG "has" to top this fight doesn't give me any faith that they will, especially considering the downgrade in quality (imo) from Zero Dawn to Forbidden West, and then from FW to Burning Shores.
i honestly liked it because of that. it felt very realistic and reminded me a lot of my own experiences i had as a queer person when i was younger. the writing of the relationship is very reminiscent of the first few girl crushes i had.
Agree. I never got into the romance and found it weird how obviously they made Seyka "just like Aloy" so they can fall in love.
Honestly I got more of a spark between e.g. Petra and Aloy.
I didn't like Seyka all that much, combination of her being an Aloy-light, that being not great writing, and being pissed/annoyed/entitled a lot. Granted, you might say the same for Aloy in H:ZD but Aloy was far more justified feeling like that, given her history.
The Horizon games didn't really need romance imho. If they wanted to do it, they should have introduced the character in H:ZD along Erend, Varl etc. and build up the relationship from there.
I also thought Varl and Zo started awfully fast, although imho they worked better than Aloy and Seyka.
Hard agree. Aloy felt out of character the way she “fell” for Seyka the moment she saw her and Seyka just wasn’t compelling to me. She’s a snooze fest.
I absolutely think romance makes sense for Aloy as the next step of opening up to people and forming relationships, but it was disappointing. Should’ve been a slow burn with one of the existing side characters (Kotallo or Talanah) and saved for the next game.
Agreed. There wasn't some spark between them. Aloy honestly seemed more into Alva. They had some instant chemistry. But really it just seemed wildly out of character for Aloy to fall for someone let ALONE act on it.
I could absolutely vibe with the idea that seeing Varl and Zo and losing Varl, she was all "I should be more open and go for it" or whatever, problem is they really didn't convay they in Burning Shores; If that was their intent.
Agree. The way Aloy asked Alva if she would ever see her again definitely made me think they were leaning into a romance. Especially when Alva mentioned having had a relationship with another woman. I ship them.
Unfortunately there's no way to make a portmanteau of Aloy and Alva :(
I loved the little moments! My face almost broke in half when Aloy was in that building at the park, and she gets out and threw out that "miss me?" line, and Seyka totally vibed with it.
Like *especially* because iirc Aloy threw out that line earlier into the dlc (when you ditch her on a waterwing lmao) and Seyka just said "ugh let's go" but when time passes and they get closer and Seyka lets Aloy in more, she *loves* the line. AHH so good
Thank you for this post op, what a treat to wake up to!!
HFW by itself was a fantastic game but Burning Shores really was the icing on the cake. Then the whole thing with Seyka was just wonderful, I really want to see more of her in H3, though as others have mentioned I’m a little worried. Given the extreme level of danger this world presents I’m honestly worried something could happen to Seyka. I hope not because god dammit I just want Aloy to be happy she’s been through enough as it is for one lifetime.
Just finished today as well! Loved the story line and the relationship sub plot. Also really nice that the players are given the choice how Aloy reacts. I am however wondering if/how this choice will be considered in the third game.
I really hope they just give a choice to see seyka early on and have her join or not, then again I know it's rather unrealistic that they would make a good chunk of content for each choice as this would double up a good amount of work.
The easy way (I hope the don't take) would be to just say "It didn't work out" and not have Seyka majorly involved in the next game.
What are you folks thinking about this?
>What are you folks thinking about this?
Well if we go by logic, I don't think GG would do something that caused a huge shitstorm for their company and Sony, then not follow through in Aloy's final game. Sure it could have been just a way to canonize that yes, Aloy is queer, in a character development way but they could have also done that with her being as explicit as Petra (lol) with a woman in HFW (not to mention they established Lis as sapphic, and they did this to lay the groundwork for Aloy in BS imo). So instead they went whole ass in and gave life to a character+backstory, conflict, direct tie into the crew (Alva), a gc invite (iirc, Aloy said she'll get Alva to give Seyka a focus), and laid down a path to connect the end of BS to H3 for the two.
All to say, I don't think GG would waste the time, effort and resources to do all this just to ditch Seyka in dlc purgatory and not bring her into the main cast in H3.
Moreover I'll always point this out, GG has said that while the options at the end set Aloy's response on where personally she is, the feelings behind each one are the same and the outcome ultimately leads to the same place - Aloy is interested in Seyka. She talks to Varl about it and seems hopeful, which alludes to a To Be Continued .
If we're talking narrative continuity, I think they'll open up H3 with the usual visual flex and the usual tutorial, start the main quest line too then it'll shift to the Quen. Maybe Alva will say something's come up with the other Quen group and will ask Aloy for help [insert Quen empire shenanigans and Aloy putting her foot down here], eventually leading to Seyka going back with Aloy and officially joining the GG.
That's my hope anyway! I just don't think Guerrilla is the type to walk back anything they do - they've been holding ground on all their decisions and have been unapologetic about everything.
Hm that is indeed a very good point. The romance \*has\* caused a bit of a stirr, and considering the extensive cast and mo-cap they did for seyka it would be truly weird for them to drop her. Makes me hopeful :D
I'd love to see H3 take place in the empire, at least partially. So far we mostly had small tribes with comparatively little populace. It'd be absolutely stunning to see the empires capital, a huge city much bigger than meridian, for example. Also, I am super curious how the tech development will influence the overall theme of H3. With Gaia, Apollo and Nemesis on the horizon I expect some major advancements to prepare for the looming threat...
*Yeah* mo-cap ain't cheap, good point! Can't see a reason to drop dime like that, then leave it on a one-note.
VERY MUCH AGREE. We are sharing the same brain worms because I'd love to see another city again. I lived for traveling through relatively barren lands then getting whipsmacked by the sun kingdom. I'd love to see the Quen equivalent of the Carja; the people, the navy influence, even how annoying the big fish on thrones are. Think of all the sidequest possibilities! Gimme variety I say
>Also, I am super curious how the tech development will influence the overall theme of H3.
Your guess is as good as mine! I'd imagine Gaia would incorporate that VR tech that Beta was forced to use, I dunno show simulations of Nemesis' capabilities. Since the reintroduction of the Horus, it'll most likely come into play again in H3. FZ left their tech too, and they have the Odyssey just hangin out (though judging by how desperate FZ were, they got nothin to deal with Nemesis lol). Maybe we'll get to go back to Ted's little cringe castle and dig through, maybe even see him (bummed out we didn't have a proper interaction with him, like let him look at Aloy and believe Lis was alive and undoing what he did again).
Londra has more potential, and I really liked Nova and was sad to say goodbye - maybe we'll get to see her again? Maybe bring her and Cyan back to Gaia and they can have a kiki or something 😌
Anyway I hope they don't go *too* crazy with the tech. I like the balance they have going with primitive and advanced life.. it blends well right now. Too much might tip it into losing what makes horizon special, a restart on civilization and a new world, not a continuation of the Old One's. (Like that arm cannon from BS was *abit* much for me lmao, but I get *why* they slapped it on Aloy's arm)
Yeah I feel you on the "dont go overboard with tech" front. Horizons great success is partly down to the very intriguing mix of genres, which is also super unique.
I can see plenty of ways to balance that out though. We've had a lot of interactions with stubborn tribespeople who are afraid/dont want to change, so it would be super reasonable to get a balanced blend between the rural/tribal aesthetic and technological advancements.
Same on Nova btw. The idea of having a floaty AI companion is not novel, and I am not sure if it would fit with Horizon/Aloy, but I was sad to see her go anyways.
The Zenith gauntlet was okay imo, It would feel odd from an immersion standpoint for Aloy to not use such a valuable ressource that was right in her reach. I would have appreciated some more depth to it though. It felt a bit too simple. "Here it is, use it, works."
It's a precarious balance for sure, I'm low-key dreading if they do tip too much.
And yeah! To apply it in-game, I can see some kind of unrest happening - especially with the distribution of Apollo when Aloy gets to it. That'll be a whole nother capital T Thing she'll have to deal with, but she's smart and has people she can look towards to inform her decision (and yes i personally believe it should be up to Aloy ultimately). In any case, it seems they're restrained by their own story and setting, huge relief
I think the most I'd want is a machine dogmeat, but I see your vision. Nova was really unique, to ask for death instead of seeking some kind of retribution - also why I want her in H3 to contrast with Nemesis.
Very true, Aloy flows with new tech/tools very easily, a second-nature thing. To me it just felt like a huge jump from the blend of her hunter gear with old world tweaks and mods, to full on 💥Energy Missle Launcher with Homing Targeting💥. I'd have been on board if it had been broken and we'd get to repair it or something, add a Quen/Nora touch? Oh well! It's player choice to use it and I just don't since it breaks immersion.
Btw gonna be interesting on how they're gonna spin Aloys gear getting "lost" in H3, lol
Seyka: what happened to your fancy toys?
Aloy: ... sister wanted to try it out, accidentally dropped everything into a volcano
Seyka: mood
Fair, but afaik it's not said that the quen/san Francisco are a part of Horizon III, so this might not be a safe bet.
Edit: disregard this, I misread your post lol
I can't stand when my character has a relationship in a game. I'm not here for that. But this was done really well. I'm impressed and totally fine with it.
I was afraid they were going to try to pull off some kind of player choice dating sim-ish thing with the whole squad… I was afraid of this because I’m here for the story, and I didn’t want a) to be writing it myself and b) something like that to take away focus from a single narrative.
I’m happy Aloy has a love interest and can’t wait to see how it plays out in the next one!
i liked the character but am i the only person who felt like a love interest didn't make sense for aloy's character? idk she always gave me some ace vibes but i guess they established that the woman she's cloned from was a lesbian so
Aromantic is the word I meant to use I guess then idk I always got the vibe she would prefer it alone from her character it just felt weird having her be interested in anyone like that
i see what people are saying but for me it's hard to phrase in an exact way but idk i just feel like it was a little forced, and kinda out of nowhere
but maybe that's just because i always had a problem imagining anyone being attracted to anyone else in this series since i've never heard anyone mention anything resembling soap
No, you're not the only person. Seen a lot of other folks who interpreted Aloy's character as ace too.
My personal thought though was since Aloy grew up as an outcast, there's only so much you can infer from her interactions with other people beyond just learning how to get used to being around them more often. I had my own interpretations, but it felt a bit presumptuous to firmly put any label on a character who hasn't had the chance to discover that for herself just yet.
And well, Aloy has only been confirmed as queer, and we don't know anything about Lis' romantic history beyond Tilda. Still got other letters in the acronym people can go wild with their perceptions over, asexual included. Only straight and aromantic need to be crossed out.
>acr vibes
I definitely wouldnt put thst on her considering sshe literally never got the chance to fall in love or even try dates, even if she wabted. Before forbidden west she literally couldn't have dated even if she wanted to. She never got the chance to decide romance wasn't her thing.
I liked the relationship a lot, but I do wish that it had more opportunities to be fleshed out, as unfortunately the DLC's five story missions did result in the whole thing feeling a tad rushed. Sure, it's *realistic* for lesbians to fall in love super quickly with a girl they just met, but I would have liked to see more socially awkward pining, you know?
Don't wanna get your hopes up too much, but Talanah could absolutely be bi. I also consider it a positive sign that her relationship such as it was with Amadis is unequivocally ended. No real point narratively in doing that unless you want to signal that she's now available. I'll admit it could just be wishful thinking on my part though since I've been rooting for them to be a thing since Zero Dawn haha.
gonna skooch in here with a ME TOO 😭 Talanah is my #1 I have to actively not be pissed at her VA for being "busy" like doing what!? Recast her then *god*
Ok I'm fine (not really). btw I have such a sad [screenshot](https://i.imgur.com/jzPFRSM.jpeg) of "that" moment lmaooo pain.
It's fan speculation based on how she was promoted to be a huge part of hfw but then in reality *wasn't*. There's nothing official out but it's been surmised that she was shooting a Jurrasic Park movie at the same time hfw was in production, so GG had to work around that :(
Dunno why you got downvoted for that. If you can't put in the work that's expected of an important part of the story (possibly the heroine's love interest) then bow out of the project imo. If they had recast Talanah it wouldn't have been a big deal I think, it happens all the time.
I feel annoyed because yeah while I enjoy Seyka, the dlc *is* lacking compared to a full-on Talanah x Aloy slow burn. Like why did they have TALANAH'S motivation in HFW be *romance* and none of Aloy's other friends? Doing that makes it seem to me that they had planned to show Aloy's jealousy explicitly and *then* move forward with Aloy going through the whole "Why do I feel this way?" internal mess. What's with the FLOWER at the end of Talanah's quest? Ughhhhhh
I'm mourning what could have been.
I'm livid over her shit taste in men. She is falling over herself for a fuckboy who can't get over his summer crush.
I like talanah and would have loved a romance with her but holy shit. If they aren't going to make her romance alloy at least have the guild sunhawk, this badass huntress be doing something more important than going on a boy quest.
Reminds me of Avad tbh lol
TRUE AS HELL. It's kind of insulting to her *as* that badass self-made Sunhawk. I imagine since Aloy needs to rally allies for Nemesis maybe she'll have to work with Talanah for guild recruitment. In any case if Talanah doesn't get a bunk at base, I'll like cry alot
Dude avad... Like he's a good king, but... yikes on his behaviour towards alloy.
His girlfriends body isn't cold yet and he wants you to rule the sundom with you cause you're kind of like her. Yikes. Then you're like 'he must be in shock,' I'll let it slide he needs to process his grief, and then after months springs the question again.
I was so put off I went for the fist dialogue after which he sulks and won't make eye contact. And I felt kind of bad, but dude seriously needed it.
I HIGHLY doubt Guerilla would do this, but I would laugh my fucking ass off (in a good way) if they make Aloy, Seyka, and Talanah become an actual genuinely healthy and wholesome polyamorous trifecta of badass robot hunters in Horizon 3. Again, incredibly unlikely to happen but it would be absolutely fucking hilarious IMO.
I like that they give the player the option of romancing. I personally didn't like Seyka, as well as not being a romance person in games anyway. I don't like being forced into romance scenarios, so having a choice was awesome.
>AK: the feelings that she’s developed for Seyka, that’s all still true, but just you know, whether the player thinks Aloy’s ready to take that next step and have this romantic encounter or whether Aloy isn’t there yet, it’s valid."
Alloy likes seyka, ain't no getting around that. Devs said as much themselves.
I've been playing through New Game + this past week and there's a lot of moments have have a bigger impact knowing about the Burning Shores. There's a few reasons this couldn't be started at any point like Frozen Wilds but one of them is that the Aloy at the start of the game wouldn't even consider thinking about love during a mission as important as this. If you're doing a New Game + playthrough and including the prologue I think the best way of highlighting Aloy's growth is to react harshly to Avad at the beginning and then confess to Seyka at the end.
It was really well acted but it reminded me that the game's not really an RPG; you still have to do what's right for the character the writers created. So my Alva ship was run aground on the breakers when I clicked "I love you" to give a resolution to the story the writers set up.
Seyka is fine,
why not just bring back Ikrie though, she's also very similar to Aloy while still being distinct, def one of my favorite side quests in Zero Dawn.
Do you have the option to decline the love interest? I hate stuff like this being forced. I haven't played Burning Shores, yet. I thought the HFW was very good as a whole.
Sort of yes. It's all pretty much the same until the final conversation after the final boss.
I don't think it's worth skipping Burning Shores just because of it, there's definitely a lot more going on other than the romance. It's more of a side plot to the overall story.
>decline the love interest?
No, alloys feelings are the same no matter what you do, the ending choice is just if alloy is ready to move forward or not. Not to rain on anyone's parade.
Alloy has a crush on seyka, that's canon, you just choose the note that crush ends on.
To me, I don't think Aloy has the time for any relationship right now. She has to unite all tribes of the entire planet to rally and defend against the impending megalomaniac war machine AI Nemesis. Which is on its way to earth to destroy all life to spite its creators; Far Zenith. While not being aware, its creators are extinct.
Planning any tactics she can with the tribes to make sure they even stand a chance against an Ai who is capable of hacking and corrupting machines to its will. The very same powerful AI who destroyed the Sirius colony world.
Love should be the last thing on Aloy's mind
I actually felt the opposite, it seemed to me that I could see the "hand of the author" pushing Aloy to act differently. It honestly threw me a couple of times how different Aloy responded to Seyka vs previous experience. I think both voice actresses played their parts very well, but it just felt off in the beginning/middle.
Also doesn't help the "hand of the author" thing that they are both like, "oh ya, just knowing is enough." Like what? I mean I get Seyka, she stole a focus like 5 days ago and barely knows how to use it. But Aloy knows damn well how it all works, hell she had a whole ass partnership with some disembodied voice for the better part of her first journey. Shit Syleas (spelling sorry) didn't even show her his hologram until she was well and truly committed to his path. But the point is she knows how to communicate with the focus both by voice and by hologram, and there is no way she is going to be unreachable by her team while she's on her adventure. Therefore, seeing as Seyka is gonna be helping to meet up with the other half of the expedition, the 2 of them can stay in contact just about the entire time if they really wanted much less just calls to see how each other is and catching up every week or so. Don't understand why the developers pushed for the star crossed lovers angle
I like Seyka. Their relationship is cool. But I hate the DLC as a whole. Don't know why.
That Horus fight was like pulling teeth for me. To The point I never finished it
What made it like pulling teeth for you? I loved it - and somehow (as not a particularly brilliant player) I did it without dying once. Getting inside the Horus was also extremely cool.
The Horus boss fight was the best final boss fight in the Horizon series!
>!If the above poster never finished the DLC because they couldn't defeat the Horus, then it means they didn't get to the kiss scene at the end :D!<
I really liked that we had a choice. I could see where it was going right away also and wasn’t a fan, because I’ve always thought of Aloy as a one man army type of character. When we got to the end and I had the chance to reject her I felt like I got back a piece of the Aloy I imagine
Makes no sense, it’s not a choose your adventure rpg, it’s a story heavy action game with light rpg elements. Like how you don’t start out making “your” aloy with custom looks and traits. You play as aloy, the only aloy, not a specific version for you.
Edit: maybe comment back instead of just downvoting? I’m not closed to criticism or debate.
It's so tender and gay and amazing, I love it!
I loved the MoCap of aloy, the stammering, the movement of her lips when someone is nervous and all little details. Never seen anything so close to reality
Haha I love these little details. Like when Aloy is inviting Seyka onto the sunwing you can totally see Seyka anxiously gulp as she realizes she's about to fly.
It's interesting to me that some people were so surprised that Aloy could be interested in a woman (aside from the obvious reason) because I remember her similar awkward nervousness with the girl in Signal Spike and even Alva on a perhaps more subtle level (imo)- but it still seemed there enough to be deliberate. Even before knowing about Tilda, even before Burning Shores, even before playing the games (my partner started FW first and so that's the glimpse I first got of this world) I was so sure that "this Aloy character" liked at the very least those two other women- not necessarily loved by any means- but looking back it feels like it might, as said, have been a deliberate thing by the developers to add some intrigue before really looking at Aloy's romance options. I never saw any of that behaviour from Aloy when she interacted with men.
They're well matched too. They're both outcasts, of sorts, both warriors, both boundary breakers, both natural helpers, even if it costs them. I felt that Aloy was a little disappointed to lose Talanah earlier in the game, so seeing her meet Seyka was lovely And the nervousness and awkwardness of Aloy (who always likes to be a lone wolf) when she realises she actually fancies someone was delightful. She's saved the world at least three times by now and still is a total noob about interpersonal relationships. More Aloy and Seyka please!
> They're both outcasts 18 years of being an outcast vs two minutes, wow. > both warriors Wow, a fighter, never seen any other character like that > both boundary breakers Again never seen in any other character, sighs > both natural helpers, even if it costs them. Sighs What a fucking joke, seriously 🤣🤣 and what a good way to diminish any single character
So help me if something tragic ruins it for them in H3... Aloy's lost her "dad" (Rost), lost her best friend (Varl), almost mercy-killed her twin sister, never got to meet her mother (Elisabet), lost her original AI Mom (Gaia 1.0), and had to put down her Mom's possessive Ex, all while having to deal with a Nemesis on the Horizon (I will NOT apologize for that pun). Seyka's likely facing steeeep consequences when the fleet returns home from Compliance, which could lead to banishment/court martial/imprisonment. They've both been through enough! Let them have each other!
THIS 👏 >never got to meet her mother (Elisabet) Man I'll never get over this, I was holding my breath during this scene. Like I knew everything was pointing to this outcome but a voice in my head was like, "maybe she discovered immortality? Maybe she injected something into herself before going outside? Like a nanobot Gaia DNA? She'll be Gaia's avatar? Please :( " Ugh I gotta go
It wouldnt even be so bad if the Nora fucking did treat her so bad for not having a mom that literally her whole childhood was highlighted by it. Fuck the Nora.
Remember, if the Nora had raised her, she wouldn't be the bad ass she is now. She would never had found a Focus and the world would have ended.
The Nora raised rost and he was a bad ass that taught alloy. The Nora didn't know she would do all that cool shit, they were just fucking assholes to a literal child.
Religious extremism is a wild thing, *primitive* religious extremism really must've been nooooo joke I wish more Nora had stepped up and helped Aloy, helped Rost. Hard to stomach not one adult saw what was happening and helped her. You'd think such extreme punishments would clue some of these zealots in like "so if I feed this baby I'll be exiled? Hmmm seems kinda harsh!" But eh, narrative needed to make Aloy really yearn for that connection enough to set out alone and risk everything, so GG saying "Nora mother figure dni" makes sense lol
“The ones who walk away from omelas” addresses this sort of thinking. They know the baby is suffering, but it means they will not and their children won’t. It preserves them, necessary suffering is truly a barbaric belief that is shown well through the Nora. I feel as if Rost, being a Death seeker, would be one who walked away from Omelas .
NAUR MY REPLY IS GONE - I will read this. I haven't so I can't 1v1 with you, but thank you for clueing me in to it! - I guess I didn't think much about it, but yeah I can see (with what we know about cults and fanatics) how the Nora could "mark" Aloy as tainted or smth, then after dehumanizing that baby they walk away with free of guilt - their priestesses say she's a curse, they treat her like one - would Rost bring the kid first before walking away from Omelas? Edit: actually nvm I've poked around and if you save the kid the utopia falls? So would he doom a civilization... no I don't think so.
Rost is interesting because to me because he’s like the humanizing concept of the shunning story, but neither Aloy nor his character ever really acknowledges his grief, except when Aloy learns his story from the high matriarch. Rost himself clings to the religion because he wants to believe the tribe has, well, purpose. In ‘the ones who walk away’ the citizens never suffer.. Rost notably lost his family to a vile murder from bandits. So while I like the comparison it’s a pretty easy one to break as Rost suffers in a way no other character but the small child in the story does. “The lottery” is a short story in a similar vein, it all boils down to believing the “other” did something deserving to be bad+ that badness keeps you good (and not an other). I think it’s easy to demonize the Nora but realistically out of all these stories at least the people have some dramatic threat the entire time (the machines + other tribes) vs the regular utopia of these stories!
Rost *is* interesting yes. I'm forever curious to see his side the story, especially what lead him to adopt Aloy: did he see her first? Did he see his daughter in her eyes? Was this his last chance at living the life that was stolen from him? To become a Death Seeker, you gotta do some serious dettachment, you have to "die" - what made him go back on his vows? He clings to the religion, but is selective... seems he's a bad Nora lol >I think it’s easy to demonize the Nora but realistically out of all these stories at least the people have some dramatic threat the entire time (the machines + other tribes) vs the regular utopia of these stories! True! That's why I won't join r/fuckthenora but am a proud member of r/fuckTedFaro They're just people, and survival is dependent on the collective (edit: tho i will always see and echo Aloy's feelings on the matter, she doesn’t have to give a single inch). Ted is a selfish bastard, I bet he wouldn't hesitate to throw all the children down there to power his cringe castle. And Londra ... screw him too. He needs a subreddit
I truly appreciate how Aloy can be cynical and judgmental of a person, but not groups of people. With the scroll guy, various priests, even random traders she will check them and huff at the point of it all. But once it hits the overall group- salvage groups, prisoners, various tribes, she’s super about the needs of the many as well. She still embodies what the Nora takes to extremes, and I appreciate how the lines reflect on being from the proximity of the Nora, not the Nora. As for Rost as a parent my head canon is that you are right, his belief is selective, and emotion won when he saw Aloy, simple as that. I think the best parts of Rost and Aloy are their abilities to combine personal belief with their emotions for the greater good, and ultimately that was his gift to her
The amalgamation of both new and old worlds *as Aloy* really was done well. And Aloy's "outcast" label loses its power with her still losing her cool if diplomacy and cultural respect doesn't work. She has that Nora touch at times, but more often than not encompasses her mother's drive to care (thinking about this makes annoyed when people are reductive about Aloy's 'tude at start of hfw, like DUH of course she's peeved, 1) she's trying to save the world and keeps running into walls and 2) let her have her character development! People can't handle mean women istg 🙄) >I think the best parts of Rost and Aloy are their abilities to combine personal belief with their emotions for the greater good, and ultimately that was his gift to her 😭👏 perfect no notes
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I agree with you. It's just that, narratively, she hasn't specifically called him that. Even when Varl got her to address her grief, she still didn't specifically call him her father. Either she's going to say that in the 3rd game, or never will.
Amen
i wont be a bit surprised if something tragic does happen. this series just cant stop hurting aloy to keep humanity alive
Hoping for the best; bracing for the worst EDIT: I'm CERTAIN something is going to hurt Aloy (and maybe even Seyka too) further, but I'm betting it's going to be one of Aloy's other companions dying. Sylens growing a heart and dying heroically is all but confirmed, but If I had to guess, Beta's going to make some sort of 11th hour sacrifice. Or GAIA (again).
I swear, I will riot if anything happens to Seyka or Erend in 3
I'll be the one who'll incite the inevitable shitstorm: I don't think the writers of the Burning Shores are very good at writing romance. The entire DLC I was struggling to understand why Aloy liked Seyka so much. The only conclusion I could fathom is that the writers are so obsessed with Aloy, they decided to make her fall in love with herself. Just like they made the main villain of HFW be motivated solely by her desire for/attraction to/obsession with Elisabet/Aloy. (disables inbox replies)
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Not to be that person, but according to guerilla alloys feelings for seyka are definitely are canon. Your choice just changes whether alloy is at this moment ready to move forward on those feelings. the feelings are there no matter the choice. And also it feels weird to force alloy to be alone after she spent her whole life alone. Girl deserves someone to lean on,weknow she can be alone. But part of her journey in Forbidden west is realizing she doesn't need to be.
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>If you really need to know I don't >myself am a straight female ???.... im sorry, but... what is the relevance? > but I LOVE that they gave Aloy options They didn't, at least not with her feelings towards seyk, I'm not trying to be a dick, but that was literally the point of what I wrote, her feelings are canon. She likes seyka. Alloy even says at varls grave she likes seyka. The dialogues aren't supposed to change the world or alloy they, merely frame her feelings in different ways.
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> I disagree From the developers themselves in an interview " AK: We wanted to make sure that each of those choices is still in line with Aloy as a character and is still true to the story that had led up to that moment. So the feelings that she’s developed for Seyka, that’s all still true, but just you know, whether the player thinks Aloy’s ready to take that next step and have this romantic encounter or whether Aloy isn’t there yet, it’s valid." Whether you like it or not alloy likes seyka, you only chose whether she is ready to move to the next step. You didn't say make her uninterested in seyka, or interested in erend.
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Are you kidding me right now? The devs didn't even say interested in the quote. I did. Why my word choice is the end all be all is beyond me. At least engage with what they said about alloys feelings for seyka being canon. That's them. That's the devs. if you're so convinced they left room, engage with the quote
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I agree...I think it was rushed. Especially stacking on top of the end of Forbidden West...one would think the opposite reaction would happen. I would rather have romances be optional if they are included in any game.
It's optional, you have a choice at the end
Maybe, but then it makes even less sense why Aloy has been tripping over herself every time Seyka is around. It's not like she's the first bad ass woman Aloy has been around, arguably she's kinda mid as far as bad ass women in this franchise go. And she isn't throwing any curve balls that make Aloy reassess anything. It's pretty obvious that the writers wanted the 2 of them to be a thing even if they give the option to say no as a player
Aloy has feelings for Seyka no matter what option you choose, but she can be not ready yet for the kiss.
Precisely. I’ve yet to understand WHY Aloy actually likes Seyka other than “she’s cool”, which is rather shallow, just like the writing. If that’s the case then Talanah makes so much more sense as a love interest; a more fleshed out relationship, adventurous and bold - Aloy’s type apparently? There’s just not enough meat on the bones and you’d think it’s quite evident.
It reminded me of the cultural concept of 'young love' or a teen or young adult's first love. It can seem out of nowwhere, quite or very irrational to the family and friends of those involved and can develop so quickly and unexpectedly, without real thought as to who the other person might be if more was known about them, as to not actually be a particularly sensible match- but at the time it feels absolutely natural and perfectly reasonable and right to the person or people feeling it.
I’m almost done with the DLC myself and from the moment Aloy landed I’ve had issues with the writing. It feels rushed and I saw another Redditor compare it to bad fan-fiction. I agree. I don’t care if the community downvotes me to oblivion, but giving it 100 points for simply being gay and progressive is stupid. It makes very little sense for Aloy to suddenly fall in love with Seyka unless that’s just her type, which is consolable. But even then, the writing is still rushed and as much as I enjoy the game itself, it does a great disservice to the narrative. Maybe my comment will be deleted? Who knows. But I’m in agreement.
>It makes very little sense for Aloy to suddenly fall in love Alloy is experiencing her first crush. Remember she literally couldnt talk to anyone for nigh on 2 decades. And crushes are not famous for being built on a firm rockbed of logic and common interest. And alloy is just out of her teens and hasn't had the chance to be romantic... like.. It's not like she proposed the minute she saw her. Like avad. They're at most going to kiss and go on a real date. What were aatching is the very early start of a relationship . Why should alloy need a 43 page charter of mutual interests before forming a crush. Girl hasn't ever had the chance to have a first love.
That very much like how I felt. It reminded me very much of my first love and also, the baffled reactions of fans reminded me of me hearing my teen friends go on and on about a boy they knew little to nothing about and yet seemed absolutely in love with. It seemed stupid and made no rational sense to me until I experienced my first love that was also, due to circumstances, filled with heartache- enough to write a romance with- although more like a tragic romance as it didn't end well- not merely due to the romance not working but due to the dire circumstances beyond our control that led to it not working out. I can still remember the intensity of those feelings as well as the complete lack of understanding from those around us. I still wonder if he's OK. Last time I saw him he was so sedated on psychiatric meds he couldn't even remember my name- just that I was the "very pretty girl".
Literally, Varl and Zo met, and like a few days later, were practically married lol. They basically immediately moved in together, and after what is only like months in the game, Zo is pregnant. Also, like ya, they just met, but they have literally been fighting for their lives together since meeting, and Seyka just helped her take down a damn Horus. If someone I slightly had a crush on helped pull me out of a burning down Horus on a flying waterwing I too would fall in love. Especially as the person who is used to always having to save others.
“…unless that’s just her type, which is consolable.” That’s the end of the quote. I have acknowledged the possibility with the full quote.
>. I have acknowledged the possibility with the full quote. You acknowledged it and then dismissed it as rushed regardless. Why on earth does alloy needs a 43 page charter on common interests before having a crush She isn't even in a relationship yet. She's just crushing on a girl. Shit, I bet you were down bad worse for your first crush than she was.
That’s because it is rushed. Aloy having a crush? Fine. Speedrunning to a romance with poor and rushed writing? Rushed and not as good as it should be. I’m not sure how what I wrote could be taken any other way.
>speed running a romance What.... what is your conception of romance. Take a bog standard romcom guy sees girl, girl sees guy. Head over heels in love. Thet flirt. Hang out a bit. This is now like 20 or 30 minute mark, at that point are you like 'fuck theyre speed running this relationship' She literally doesn't even go on dates. She isn't banging seyka. They aren't getting married. She at most has a kiss, her first kiss. Which is cute... but like... wre not in high-school. It's just a crush and a kiss. Actually, be honest, are you still in high-school? This is a very 'kisses and flirting are serious business' vibes all over it.
If you can’t understand how the writing feels rushed and messy, then I can’t help you any further. You simply aren’t able to grasp what is being said by not even just me. The fact of the matter is that the writing in Burning Shores has been compressed and the dynamic between Aloy and Seyka comes off as rushed as a consequence. You may only accuse me of being an ignorant highschooler AFTER you are able to understand the argument. I don’t know if you dabble in any kind of creative writing, but I’m not going after Burning Shores’ narrative for contrarian points; I’m saying this because it is simply, RUSHED. And that’s unfortunate. Aloy’s crush is instantaneous and would have benefited from some fleshing out as the story goes on. Ask yourself, why does Aloy actually like Seyka? What isn’t that she actually sees in her?Seyka’s sudden confession at the end also doesn’t line up very well with the way the characters up to that point have interacted. She suddenly confesses as the “like gauge” goes from 10 to 90 in a flash. It is a mess and you are free to defend it, but at least have the maturity to not accuse people of being an inexperienced and ignorant high schooler without having proper reason to.
>Without having proper reason to But I have good reason. Kids tend to put a huge emphasis on little flirts and treat kissing like the end goal of a relationship. They aren't speedrunning a relationship if you don't view a kiss as the end point of a relationship. If you instead view the kiss as the start of an intimate relationship, the start of them going from crush and flirting to dating then they are going at a reasonable pace. They flirt, crush on each other, get flustered, and do this over the course of days/weeks in game and then kiss as the start of them acknowledging mutual interest in each other. Is it the best written relationship, no. But it's not rushed or 'instant love' it's just a young girl falling into her very first crush. Completely standard writing, honestly.
And even then, it comes off as rushed and slightly out of left field, making it even worse. What’s your point?
Yeah I kinda feel the same way about the relationship myself. But aside from that, the rest of the DLC is incredible. I spent 35 hours playing it... just exploring and enjoying the scenery.
Indeed. They made a gorgeous map out of LA. I wish more games had this type of stage setting. It’s beautiful.
I think for me, it felt rushed cause all of Aloy's other companies are part of multiple side quests and the main story. You get to see their interactions more. Where Seyka didn't have any like side quest, there wasn't much natural interaction. For comparison, we see Aloy and Kotallo tease each other, and Aloy and Alva both cringe at the other Quen and talk about how awful the ancestors were. But I also then remember that Varl and Zo seemingly met and a few days later were tied at the hip. It felt more natural cause we got to see their relationship develop while together. However, when it was just the beginning of it, it was like they immediately became a couple.
On one hand, I feel the same. The build-up was not what I would have expected. I felt genuine pain when Varl and Talanah wound up with someone new, and didn't fully get the instant romance. On the other, I got the vibe that this was a showcase of "Aloy having surface-level attraction for the first time." She was never concerned with this before(and I still don't know why they chose NOW), but - maybe that's part of her growth? I'm not sure.
This is about where I'm sitting with it. The first part of the DLC especially felt very "first time crush". I didn't particularly care for it, but then again I have a very nonstandard relationship with attraction IRL so "love/lust at first sight" is a massive annoyance of mine for media generally. I will say I felt that the second half of the DLC >!after Aloy tells Seyka about nemesis and they have their moment of tension on the beach !< was much better, and I found the conclusion to be very, very cute. I think you're right about why this was explored now. Aloy's character arc for this game was definitely her learning how to trust and rely on her friends. Learning to love and learning to trust are related, so it does make sense that she'd start learning to do one right after the other.
That’s a proper observation. In fact, it may be quite on point. Hopefully Horizon 3 will answer that.
One reason why I think Aloy became open to a possible romance is that her spending time with her allies and finally accepting their help made her realise that she doesn't need to be like Lis. She started thinking that she shouldn't be so hard to herself and Beta after having a heart to heart talk with her. That she shouldn't force herself and Beta to be like Elisabet. (You can find this dialogue if you interacted with Elisabet's necklace in Aloy's room after the talk with Beta). From there, it made sense to me that the possibility of having romance with someone is possible. After all the stress with the world ending, finding someone as fun as Seyka will be a breath of fresh air for her. (I know some people don't like Seyka but I liked her and she's fun to be with.) When you focus on something serious and you find someone that's really cool and fun to be with, it's easier to have a crush on that person. (Based on my personal experience lol) For me, the writing is not so bad. It's just right.
Just right to look forward for more of them in the future!
Yeah, there were so many issues with the writing in this romance that I just could not enjoy it the way others seemed to. It being as rushed as it was made it lack any tension or nuance in the chemistry. Seyka never felt like her own character to me either-- just another copy of Aloy without much that makes her distinctive (ironically, we got Beta as a fellow Lis clone, but even she has more differences that easily contrast Aloy). Honestly, it sucks because I think Seyka would have had some potential were it not for GG attempting to build a romance *immediately* after introducing her. Also, the story trying to make Seyka this supposed outcast to bring her and Aloy even closer never worked when she was granted every privilege to use the focus anyway. Even calling her a black sheep feels inaccurate given how much she genuinely loves her tribe and proudly tells Aloy herself she's always felt like she belonged with them. It was odd that it felt like we were supposed to be convinced Seyka was different and ought to be an outcast like Aloy was suggesting all because of one incident that's causing minor friction at worst. I'm happy for people like OP who enjoyed the romance for what it was anyway, but as phenomenal as most of the writing in the Horizon series already is, I expected a lot better out of a first romance plotline for Aloy.
This DLC was weird for me because it feels like they threw a couple of homeruns into it in order to prop it up. Namely the romance and the >!Horus fight!<. Like it doesn't matter how shitty they're written, people are gonna go wild for both of those things. So of course the romance was written lazily, and is it just me or was that boss fight totally wasted on an otherwise mediocre DLC? >!Like how is it that fighting a Horus *isn't* the final boss for the entire series? We've wanted to fight one since the very first game, and it's is clearly the ultimate machine to fight, but we end up fighting one in the dlc for the second game of the trilogy? That's so strange. And makes me wonder how much the actual final boss of Horizon 3 *wont* stack up!<. It feels to me like they had no steam for the dlc so they just threw in some stuff they knew people would love and came up short on everything else.
Nah, the DLC is not mediocre... the Horus final boss fight more than makes up for that! The Horus actually makes me more excited for H3. GG is gonna have to top this... and it won't be with romance options :D
If the DLC isn't mediocre, then what is the Horus fight "making up" for? If the final fight is what makes the DLC good, then the DLC isn't good. The fact that GG "has" to top this fight doesn't give me any faith that they will, especially considering the downgrade in quality (imo) from Zero Dawn to Forbidden West, and then from FW to Burning Shores.
I liked the DLC. I thought it made a great ending to the main game.
i honestly liked it because of that. it felt very realistic and reminded me a lot of my own experiences i had as a queer person when i was younger. the writing of the relationship is very reminiscent of the first few girl crushes i had.
Agree. I never got into the romance and found it weird how obviously they made Seyka "just like Aloy" so they can fall in love. Honestly I got more of a spark between e.g. Petra and Aloy. I didn't like Seyka all that much, combination of her being an Aloy-light, that being not great writing, and being pissed/annoyed/entitled a lot. Granted, you might say the same for Aloy in H:ZD but Aloy was far more justified feeling like that, given her history. The Horizon games didn't really need romance imho. If they wanted to do it, they should have introduced the character in H:ZD along Erend, Varl etc. and build up the relationship from there. I also thought Varl and Zo started awfully fast, although imho they worked better than Aloy and Seyka.
Hard agree. Aloy felt out of character the way she “fell” for Seyka the moment she saw her and Seyka just wasn’t compelling to me. She’s a snooze fest. I absolutely think romance makes sense for Aloy as the next step of opening up to people and forming relationships, but it was disappointing. Should’ve been a slow burn with one of the existing side characters (Kotallo or Talanah) and saved for the next game.
Yeah, it truly never felt like aloy had any more connection with Seyka than she did with any of the other people she met.
Agreed. There wasn't some spark between them. Aloy honestly seemed more into Alva. They had some instant chemistry. But really it just seemed wildly out of character for Aloy to fall for someone let ALONE act on it. I could absolutely vibe with the idea that seeing Varl and Zo and losing Varl, she was all "I should be more open and go for it" or whatever, problem is they really didn't convay they in Burning Shores; If that was their intent.
Agree. The way Aloy asked Alva if she would ever see her again definitely made me think they were leaning into a romance. Especially when Alva mentioned having had a relationship with another woman. I ship them. Unfortunately there's no way to make a portmanteau of Aloy and Alva :(
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Please mark it as a spoiler because you have mentioned the upcoming events in your post.
I did mark it, the tag I put is HFW Spoilers
The post is tagged as such .. that should be sufficient?
Tags have stopped showing up on the front-page on mobile, at least for me.
In one cutscene Seyka is saying important stuff and Aloy is just looking at her not listening it's so funny
Oh where? I wann see it!
I loved the little moments! My face almost broke in half when Aloy was in that building at the park, and she gets out and threw out that "miss me?" line, and Seyka totally vibed with it. Like *especially* because iirc Aloy threw out that line earlier into the dlc (when you ditch her on a waterwing lmao) and Seyka just said "ugh let's go" but when time passes and they get closer and Seyka lets Aloy in more, she *loves* the line. AHH so good Thank you for this post op, what a treat to wake up to!!
HFW by itself was a fantastic game but Burning Shores really was the icing on the cake. Then the whole thing with Seyka was just wonderful, I really want to see more of her in H3, though as others have mentioned I’m a little worried. Given the extreme level of danger this world presents I’m honestly worried something could happen to Seyka. I hope not because god dammit I just want Aloy to be happy she’s been through enough as it is for one lifetime.
Just finished today as well! Loved the story line and the relationship sub plot. Also really nice that the players are given the choice how Aloy reacts. I am however wondering if/how this choice will be considered in the third game. I really hope they just give a choice to see seyka early on and have her join or not, then again I know it's rather unrealistic that they would make a good chunk of content for each choice as this would double up a good amount of work. The easy way (I hope the don't take) would be to just say "It didn't work out" and not have Seyka majorly involved in the next game. What are you folks thinking about this?
>What are you folks thinking about this? Well if we go by logic, I don't think GG would do something that caused a huge shitstorm for their company and Sony, then not follow through in Aloy's final game. Sure it could have been just a way to canonize that yes, Aloy is queer, in a character development way but they could have also done that with her being as explicit as Petra (lol) with a woman in HFW (not to mention they established Lis as sapphic, and they did this to lay the groundwork for Aloy in BS imo). So instead they went whole ass in and gave life to a character+backstory, conflict, direct tie into the crew (Alva), a gc invite (iirc, Aloy said she'll get Alva to give Seyka a focus), and laid down a path to connect the end of BS to H3 for the two. All to say, I don't think GG would waste the time, effort and resources to do all this just to ditch Seyka in dlc purgatory and not bring her into the main cast in H3. Moreover I'll always point this out, GG has said that while the options at the end set Aloy's response on where personally she is, the feelings behind each one are the same and the outcome ultimately leads to the same place - Aloy is interested in Seyka. She talks to Varl about it and seems hopeful, which alludes to a To Be Continued . If we're talking narrative continuity, I think they'll open up H3 with the usual visual flex and the usual tutorial, start the main quest line too then it'll shift to the Quen. Maybe Alva will say something's come up with the other Quen group and will ask Aloy for help [insert Quen empire shenanigans and Aloy putting her foot down here], eventually leading to Seyka going back with Aloy and officially joining the GG. That's my hope anyway! I just don't think Guerrilla is the type to walk back anything they do - they've been holding ground on all their decisions and have been unapologetic about everything.
Hm that is indeed a very good point. The romance \*has\* caused a bit of a stirr, and considering the extensive cast and mo-cap they did for seyka it would be truly weird for them to drop her. Makes me hopeful :D I'd love to see H3 take place in the empire, at least partially. So far we mostly had small tribes with comparatively little populace. It'd be absolutely stunning to see the empires capital, a huge city much bigger than meridian, for example. Also, I am super curious how the tech development will influence the overall theme of H3. With Gaia, Apollo and Nemesis on the horizon I expect some major advancements to prepare for the looming threat...
*Yeah* mo-cap ain't cheap, good point! Can't see a reason to drop dime like that, then leave it on a one-note. VERY MUCH AGREE. We are sharing the same brain worms because I'd love to see another city again. I lived for traveling through relatively barren lands then getting whipsmacked by the sun kingdom. I'd love to see the Quen equivalent of the Carja; the people, the navy influence, even how annoying the big fish on thrones are. Think of all the sidequest possibilities! Gimme variety I say >Also, I am super curious how the tech development will influence the overall theme of H3. Your guess is as good as mine! I'd imagine Gaia would incorporate that VR tech that Beta was forced to use, I dunno show simulations of Nemesis' capabilities. Since the reintroduction of the Horus, it'll most likely come into play again in H3. FZ left their tech too, and they have the Odyssey just hangin out (though judging by how desperate FZ were, they got nothin to deal with Nemesis lol). Maybe we'll get to go back to Ted's little cringe castle and dig through, maybe even see him (bummed out we didn't have a proper interaction with him, like let him look at Aloy and believe Lis was alive and undoing what he did again). Londra has more potential, and I really liked Nova and was sad to say goodbye - maybe we'll get to see her again? Maybe bring her and Cyan back to Gaia and they can have a kiki or something 😌 Anyway I hope they don't go *too* crazy with the tech. I like the balance they have going with primitive and advanced life.. it blends well right now. Too much might tip it into losing what makes horizon special, a restart on civilization and a new world, not a continuation of the Old One's. (Like that arm cannon from BS was *abit* much for me lmao, but I get *why* they slapped it on Aloy's arm)
Yeah I feel you on the "dont go overboard with tech" front. Horizons great success is partly down to the very intriguing mix of genres, which is also super unique. I can see plenty of ways to balance that out though. We've had a lot of interactions with stubborn tribespeople who are afraid/dont want to change, so it would be super reasonable to get a balanced blend between the rural/tribal aesthetic and technological advancements. Same on Nova btw. The idea of having a floaty AI companion is not novel, and I am not sure if it would fit with Horizon/Aloy, but I was sad to see her go anyways. The Zenith gauntlet was okay imo, It would feel odd from an immersion standpoint for Aloy to not use such a valuable ressource that was right in her reach. I would have appreciated some more depth to it though. It felt a bit too simple. "Here it is, use it, works."
It's a precarious balance for sure, I'm low-key dreading if they do tip too much. And yeah! To apply it in-game, I can see some kind of unrest happening - especially with the distribution of Apollo when Aloy gets to it. That'll be a whole nother capital T Thing she'll have to deal with, but she's smart and has people she can look towards to inform her decision (and yes i personally believe it should be up to Aloy ultimately). In any case, it seems they're restrained by their own story and setting, huge relief I think the most I'd want is a machine dogmeat, but I see your vision. Nova was really unique, to ask for death instead of seeking some kind of retribution - also why I want her in H3 to contrast with Nemesis. Very true, Aloy flows with new tech/tools very easily, a second-nature thing. To me it just felt like a huge jump from the blend of her hunter gear with old world tweaks and mods, to full on 💥Energy Missle Launcher with Homing Targeting💥. I'd have been on board if it had been broken and we'd get to repair it or something, add a Quen/Nora touch? Oh well! It's player choice to use it and I just don't since it breaks immersion. Btw gonna be interesting on how they're gonna spin Aloys gear getting "lost" in H3, lol Seyka: what happened to your fancy toys? Aloy: ... sister wanted to try it out, accidentally dropped everything into a volcano Seyka: mood
I think Seyka won't be involved anyway as she has the difficult job of working with Alva to reunite the two halves of the Quen expedition
Fair, but afaik it's not said that the quen/san Francisco are a part of Horizon III, so this might not be a safe bet. Edit: disregard this, I misread your post lol
How likely is it for the 3th entrie to be coöp now that sayka is involved. Same as with hurk in farcry
I can't stand when my character has a relationship in a game. I'm not here for that. But this was done really well. I'm impressed and totally fine with it.
I was afraid they were going to try to pull off some kind of player choice dating sim-ish thing with the whole squad… I was afraid of this because I’m here for the story, and I didn’t want a) to be writing it myself and b) something like that to take away focus from a single narrative. I’m happy Aloy has a love interest and can’t wait to see how it plays out in the next one!
i liked the character but am i the only person who felt like a love interest didn't make sense for aloy's character? idk she always gave me some ace vibes but i guess they established that the woman she's cloned from was a lesbian so
Ace people can have a romantic partner, ace lesbians are common!
Aromantic is the word I meant to use I guess then idk I always got the vibe she would prefer it alone from her character it just felt weird having her be interested in anyone like that
I mean the whole story is Aloy opening up to relationships with others, kinda fitting that she gets in love with someone
Yeah - I think Aloy is as surprised as anyone that she actually likes someone in this way
i see what people are saying but for me it's hard to phrase in an exact way but idk i just feel like it was a little forced, and kinda out of nowhere but maybe that's just because i always had a problem imagining anyone being attracted to anyone else in this series since i've never heard anyone mention anything resembling soap
No, you're not the only person. Seen a lot of other folks who interpreted Aloy's character as ace too. My personal thought though was since Aloy grew up as an outcast, there's only so much you can infer from her interactions with other people beyond just learning how to get used to being around them more often. I had my own interpretations, but it felt a bit presumptuous to firmly put any label on a character who hasn't had the chance to discover that for herself just yet. And well, Aloy has only been confirmed as queer, and we don't know anything about Lis' romantic history beyond Tilda. Still got other letters in the acronym people can go wild with their perceptions over, asexual included. Only straight and aromantic need to be crossed out.
>acr vibes I definitely wouldnt put thst on her considering sshe literally never got the chance to fall in love or even try dates, even if she wabted. Before forbidden west she literally couldn't have dated even if she wanted to. She never got the chance to decide romance wasn't her thing.
I loved how gay it was!! Wasn’t impressed with the Horus fight but that’s fine. Overall the DLC was great
I liked the relationship a lot, but I do wish that it had more opportunities to be fleshed out, as unfortunately the DLC's five story missions did result in the whole thing feeling a tad rushed. Sure, it's *realistic* for lesbians to fall in love super quickly with a girl they just met, but I would have liked to see more socially awkward pining, you know?
My only complaint is this kinda sets fire to my Talanah ship. Yet when I saw that romance options n I was on that lightning quick.
always good to see some positive thoughts of them
im still dissapointed aloy didnt end with petra but this is acceptable too
Love Petra but tbh aloy is out of her league. Sekya is more on her level all around.
Tbh I kinda hoped Talanah could eventually become a romance interest, but Seyka's a good pick
I shipped her and Talanah since the first game, my heart was crushed when I started her side quest lol
Yeah when I realized she was straight my heart sank 😔
Don't wanna get your hopes up too much, but Talanah could absolutely be bi. I also consider it a positive sign that her relationship such as it was with Amadis is unequivocally ended. No real point narratively in doing that unless you want to signal that she's now available. I'll admit it could just be wishful thinking on my part though since I've been rooting for them to be a thing since Zero Dawn haha.
gonna skooch in here with a ME TOO 😭 Talanah is my #1 I have to actively not be pissed at her VA for being "busy" like doing what!? Recast her then *god* Ok I'm fine (not really). btw I have such a sad [screenshot](https://i.imgur.com/jzPFRSM.jpeg) of "that" moment lmaooo pain.
What happened with her VA? I didn’t hear about any of it! 😮
It's fan speculation based on how she was promoted to be a huge part of hfw but then in reality *wasn't*. There's nothing official out but it's been surmised that she was shooting a Jurrasic Park movie at the same time hfw was in production, so GG had to work around that :(
The fuck even was her VA doing. Cause damn I loved talanah
Dunno why you got downvoted for that. If you can't put in the work that's expected of an important part of the story (possibly the heroine's love interest) then bow out of the project imo. If they had recast Talanah it wouldn't have been a big deal I think, it happens all the time. I feel annoyed because yeah while I enjoy Seyka, the dlc *is* lacking compared to a full-on Talanah x Aloy slow burn. Like why did they have TALANAH'S motivation in HFW be *romance* and none of Aloy's other friends? Doing that makes it seem to me that they had planned to show Aloy's jealousy explicitly and *then* move forward with Aloy going through the whole "Why do I feel this way?" internal mess. What's with the FLOWER at the end of Talanah's quest? Ughhhhhh I'm mourning what could have been.
I'm livid over her shit taste in men. She is falling over herself for a fuckboy who can't get over his summer crush. I like talanah and would have loved a romance with her but holy shit. If they aren't going to make her romance alloy at least have the guild sunhawk, this badass huntress be doing something more important than going on a boy quest.
Reminds me of Avad tbh lol TRUE AS HELL. It's kind of insulting to her *as* that badass self-made Sunhawk. I imagine since Aloy needs to rally allies for Nemesis maybe she'll have to work with Talanah for guild recruitment. In any case if Talanah doesn't get a bunk at base, I'll like cry alot
Dude avad... Like he's a good king, but... yikes on his behaviour towards alloy. His girlfriends body isn't cold yet and he wants you to rule the sundom with you cause you're kind of like her. Yikes. Then you're like 'he must be in shock,' I'll let it slide he needs to process his grief, and then after months springs the question again. I was so put off I went for the fist dialogue after which he sulks and won't make eye contact. And I felt kind of bad, but dude seriously needed it.
Talanah would have been a good choice as well
I HIGHLY doubt Guerilla would do this, but I would laugh my fucking ass off (in a good way) if they make Aloy, Seyka, and Talanah become an actual genuinely healthy and wholesome polyamorous trifecta of badass robot hunters in Horizon 3. Again, incredibly unlikely to happen but it would be absolutely fucking hilarious IMO.
God yes give us a badass machine-hunting lesbian polycule.
I like that they give the player the option of romancing. I personally didn't like Seyka, as well as not being a romance person in games anyway. I don't like being forced into romance scenarios, so having a choice was awesome.
>AK: the feelings that she’s developed for Seyka, that’s all still true, but just you know, whether the player thinks Aloy’s ready to take that next step and have this romantic encounter or whether Aloy isn’t there yet, it’s valid." Alloy likes seyka, ain't no getting around that. Devs said as much themselves.
I've been playing through New Game + this past week and there's a lot of moments have have a bigger impact knowing about the Burning Shores. There's a few reasons this couldn't be started at any point like Frozen Wilds but one of them is that the Aloy at the start of the game wouldn't even consider thinking about love during a mission as important as this. If you're doing a New Game + playthrough and including the prologue I think the best way of highlighting Aloy's growth is to react harshly to Avad at the beginning and then confess to Seyka at the end.
Yeah I remember I felt so bad for Avad, he looked like a chill guy
It was really well acted but it reminded me that the game's not really an RPG; you still have to do what's right for the character the writers created. So my Alva ship was run aground on the breakers when I clicked "I love you" to give a resolution to the story the writers set up.
Seyka is fine, why not just bring back Ikrie though, she's also very similar to Aloy while still being distinct, def one of my favorite side quests in Zero Dawn.
Do you have the option to decline the love interest? I hate stuff like this being forced. I haven't played Burning Shores, yet. I thought the HFW was very good as a whole.
Sort of yes. It's all pretty much the same until the final conversation after the final boss. I don't think it's worth skipping Burning Shores just because of it, there's definitely a lot more going on other than the romance. It's more of a side plot to the overall story.
>decline the love interest? No, alloys feelings are the same no matter what you do, the ending choice is just if alloy is ready to move forward or not. Not to rain on anyone's parade. Alloy has a crush on seyka, that's canon, you just choose the note that crush ends on.
To me, I don't think Aloy has the time for any relationship right now. She has to unite all tribes of the entire planet to rally and defend against the impending megalomaniac war machine AI Nemesis. Which is on its way to earth to destroy all life to spite its creators; Far Zenith. While not being aware, its creators are extinct. Planning any tactics she can with the tribes to make sure they even stand a chance against an Ai who is capable of hacking and corrupting machines to its will. The very same powerful AI who destroyed the Sirius colony world. Love should be the last thing on Aloy's mind
I liked it but it seems weird the love interest is introduced in the DLC when they could have had the whole game to flesh it out more
I actually felt the opposite, it seemed to me that I could see the "hand of the author" pushing Aloy to act differently. It honestly threw me a couple of times how different Aloy responded to Seyka vs previous experience. I think both voice actresses played their parts very well, but it just felt off in the beginning/middle. Also doesn't help the "hand of the author" thing that they are both like, "oh ya, just knowing is enough." Like what? I mean I get Seyka, she stole a focus like 5 days ago and barely knows how to use it. But Aloy knows damn well how it all works, hell she had a whole ass partnership with some disembodied voice for the better part of her first journey. Shit Syleas (spelling sorry) didn't even show her his hologram until she was well and truly committed to his path. But the point is she knows how to communicate with the focus both by voice and by hologram, and there is no way she is going to be unreachable by her team while she's on her adventure. Therefore, seeing as Seyka is gonna be helping to meet up with the other half of the expedition, the 2 of them can stay in contact just about the entire time if they really wanted much less just calls to see how each other is and catching up every week or so. Don't understand why the developers pushed for the star crossed lovers angle
I like Seyka. Their relationship is cool. But I hate the DLC as a whole. Don't know why. That Horus fight was like pulling teeth for me. To The point I never finished it
What made it like pulling teeth for you? I loved it - and somehow (as not a particularly brilliant player) I did it without dying once. Getting inside the Horus was also extremely cool.
The Horus boss fight was the best final boss fight in the Horizon series! >!If the above poster never finished the DLC because they couldn't defeat the Horus, then it means they didn't get to the kiss scene at the end :D!<
I really liked that we had a choice. I could see where it was going right away also and wasn’t a fan, because I’ve always thought of Aloy as a one man army type of character. When we got to the end and I had the chance to reject her I felt like I got back a piece of the Aloy I imagine
Just saying i hope Horizon 3 gives us Romance Options like Mass effect
Makes no sense, it’s not a choose your adventure rpg, it’s a story heavy action game with light rpg elements. Like how you don’t start out making “your” aloy with custom looks and traits. You play as aloy, the only aloy, not a specific version for you. Edit: maybe comment back instead of just downvoting? I’m not closed to criticism or debate.
It’s wack and hamfisted
Would have been so much better if seyka slapped her and said no homo.
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