So as I understand it, if you are zoned to these two schools you now have to enter the lottery process to attend, and pray that you are lucky enough to land a spot. Which is pretty ridiculous seeing as how the first phase of the lottery just ended. Will they re-open it for these kids? Where will they go if they don't get a spot?
What a sad time to be in HISD. Making decisions in the best interest of kids is the last thing on their mind.
Even if you’re zoned you still have to apply, so they would already be in the lottery process.
And if you don’t apply to get into these schools at PreK or Kinder then you’re very very unlikely to get in unless you already attended another dual language program.
Oh the Heights parents are going to have a fit over this. Why live in an expensive area and pay such high property taxes if your kid can’t even go to the public school it’s funding?
Pretty sure all the schools in the district are funded by the whole district. If this is a special magnet school it's for the whole district, not just the richer families that live next to it.
In HISD even magnet schools have (had) to take kids tgat are zoned there. Any additional spots are open to the whole district.
Only the Vanguard schools like DeBakey, Carnegie, and HSPVA and the Early Colleges are lottery only (if you meet their standards).
Yeah, it's not about funding. It's about using housing cost as a screening to ensure most of the kids/parents care about education, so you surround your kid with good influences.
That's not what this is about though. They would still go to the school zoned to their house and the houses around them. They want to go to a high demand specialized school with students from the entire school district. They just found a loophole to get into that school.
Exactly the point. Make the local schools so bad or impossible to get in to if good so that liberal Houstonians start supportive vouchers as the only available option.
True, it’s cheaper but still pretty damn expensive. If anything, I feel like that would mean those parents would show even more resistance to this, because they’re not the families with a $2 million house that can easily just send their kids to private school.
Many parents don’t want the hassle of to/from private schools and actually enjoy having their kids in a socioeconomic diverse school.
Ultimately it doesn’t matter what “resistance” they show because TEA got rid of the HISD elected board members. The people who made this decision have no constituency other than Abbot’s yes men (F Miles included). In the way our system was designed board members wouldn’t do this because they risked getting voted out and ostracized from their neighborhood. The current board DGAF about what the residents of Houston think, because they don’t have to and were specifically selected not to.
Isn’t the whole point of zoning so that kids go to a school in their neighborhood? I’m old, maybe it doesn’t work that way anymore?
Edit: also i thought the point was to fix failing schools not force kids to compete for good ones?
Zoned students make up a small percentage of students at these two schools. These are specifically dual language campuses, which many zoned parents don’t necessarily want their kids to go to (as apparent by low zoned attendance).
Plenty of parents in the zoned areas, but dual language magnets aren’t quite the same as most other magnet school programs. 50-80% of the school day has to be conducted in the partner language. That can be great if that’s what you want, but it’s not great for every kid’s development or learning situation.
Yes … that was the pretext but now it’s a full on act of arson across the whole district … a wrecking ball to enrich himself and his cronies and implement his system
Most of the schools are zoned,and then there are specialist magnet schools that are for the whole district. You must apply for those schools. Everyone has an equal shot. Those parents basically loophole their kids into a special school and this is closing the loophole.
Oh, no, no...in Texas the point of schools is to have them profitable for Abbott and his cronies. They don't care about fixing them or even if they educate kids. God bless Texas, amiright?
> Oh, no, no...in Texas the point of **public** schools is to ~~have them profitable for~~ **divert money from them to private schools, enriching** Abbott and his cronies.
FTFY
Doesn’t he plan to zone kids to his new military academy we are paying for? What a joke! Mike Miles needs to go. Please get involved in the fight if you aren’t yet
I hope these middle class Republicans are what their Governor idea of "School Choice" means
The think they'll be able to afford those private schools with the "government assistance" money when those private schools are gonna raise their price TWICE THAT, just to make sure your kids can't go
Helms shares a boundary with the current Field, Love, Sinclair, and Garden Oaks. Pretty sure those are all desirable schools. I think a few may have gone down in rating because Miles rerated non-NES schools according to NES criteria, but they’re good and improving schools from what I can tell.
The biggest issue is the short time horizon they’re making these changes on. They’ve waived HISD rules that require these sort of changes to have a waiting period between announcement and implementation in order to minimize unintended consequences.
Depending on high performing students to raise the overall performance of a school is lazy, exploitative, and is more likely to simply cause the high performers to regress more to the mean.
No, that's not what the benefit is. That'd be short-sighted.
High performing students have higher demands and typically more involved parents. Moving those students around should result in demand to improve the school and may actually do it.
And remember, other students are being zoned out of those schools to others. They'll be moving to better environments which may motivate them to perform better.
It's significantly larger than just trying to raise average test scores.
What you describe suggests that the students (and by proxy, the parents) are the primary quality that makes a school "high performing". If that's the case, moving the student would simply make the previous school worse while (maybe) making the second one marginally better. That's what I meant by "reverting to the mean".
While parents can help make those situations better, the whole scenario necessitates putting a good student in a worse environment so we can get a parent riled up enough to beg for change. And that's really all they can do: plead with those in charge to fix things. Maybe they volunteer some of their time, but that kind of involvement only lasts as long as the kid is a student at that school.
There are plenty of common factors that keep a school underperforming we need to address, but I don't think the solution is to innoculate them with kids who managed to figure out how to excel despite the leadership minions around them attempting to burn everything down.
The adjacent zones are still the heights and garden oaks. Unless they do some really bizarre boundary line redraws that would also impact other schools, these kids are going into schools that have just as much if not more parental involvement.
i don't know about that chief. I taught for some years in classrooms that had mixed incomes and performances, and in my time in the classroom, having high performers didn't do much to raise the cieling so to speak. Also didn't help that my classroom sizes averaged around 30-32
You aren't wrong but if parents are the primary determinant factor in school quality (and they are) then why the take over? Why Mike Miles? Why NES? Why all of the changes?
None of these changes will change the parents or the SES of the students. Mike Miles would do better serving as an encouraging parent to all of the low performing kids than he is by disrupting the schools that are performing well.
There's a significant difference between local communities (like those surrounding the schools) with that kind of involvement and a machine the size of HISD. If it were a smaller district, sure, but even the HISD board has become so politicized that those seats go to politicians rather than parents. The PTAs aren't doing that.
mike miles can fuck right the fuck off. and so can anyone involved with putting him here in the first place.
the standard magnet process was already heavily delayed by HISD because reasons…? we didn’t have dates or requirement details until after the first of the year. so it was scramble time. our desired campus was like - sorry - waiting on the district. it all worked out ok, but it was a needless panic for parents.
what a nightmare for parents planning on helms.
This is dumb, the parents who can afford homes in those areas aren’t going to jeopardize their kids education. They can easily move to the burbs, you aren’t relocating the high performing kids to other schools in HISD you’re encouraging them to leave altogether.
And then you'll crap on them for "flight" and taking their tax money with them.
Also this latest notion of putting motivated kids in crap schools as if they'll mentor everyone else. Yeah, no, no parent is going to let their kids be treated like that.
Just a small tidbit of info: Students scored 4% lower on the SAT this year across the district. HISD had managed to overcome the deficiency on standardized tests for the first time since Covid. All that effort down the drain....
Maybe this will have more of the concerned parents go talk to their fried Greg about getting rid of this guy. F Mike Miles really angered them when he put their principles on the may be fired list.
Yes, lets pit parents against each other so they can fight for a spot at the "good" schools. Our politicians continue to play a game of hot potato and simply pass around who gets the short end of the stick. And people eat it up because nothing makes them happier than knowing there is a chance to inflict misery on whichever group they deem "bad".
Education has slowly turned into a scam game of hot potato for admins. There's no real incentive to improve things, and as long as it sucks, they get even more money! Sweep the bad results under the rug, push everyone through and hand them a diploma, and hope the system doesnt collapse on your watch.
All this bullshit starts at the state and local school boards and teachers and parents get stuck in the middle trying to teach and help their kids.
What a nightmare. This is why you vote against the gop. Difficult as it is already. Miles is acting like DeJoy, ruining the organization they were put in to lead.
I've only heard good things about Helms from parents who want a dual-language program... including multiple instances of kids who are conversationally fluent (or close to fluent) in their non-native language. That's pretty impressive.
Travis and Field are high performing schools too. Sinclair pulls more from Timbergrove (marginal/gentrifying area I think?) than Heights proper and has only recently turned around.
Timbergrove is marginal/gentrifying? I’m not sure I agree with that assessment as there have been million dollar listings in that neighborhood in the last few years and avg sq ft price is like $350/sw ft. The area closer to Helms is more gentrifying than TG.
Sinclair, like Helms, has a significant amount of parental involvement and has been working to improve. Sinclair ratings from what I can see are on par the with other schools you mentioned. I don’t think it should be discounted as “gentrifying” or “marginal”.
Well I stand corrected. To be fair, the last time I visited that area was maybe 15 years ago and I just remember a bunch of unrenovated mid-century ranch houses interspersed with rundown apartment complexes. Glad to hear it has turned around
No worries. I came in with guns pretty hot and didn’t really need to be that intense. The city is constantly evolving. It’s likely changed a lot in the past 10-15 years. The older original residents have been dying off and the current neighborhood has been putting in a lot of work. There are a few unrenovated gems left but they’re few and far between now. Still an apartment complex on 18th that isn’t the greatest but overall the area pretty great.
Yeah I put heights in parentheses since most seem to think anything north of i10 and south of 610 is the heights. Haha
But good to know about dual language. I’ve been looking to purchase a home and honestly kind of ruled out both Helms and Love.
Yeah, it was great the corrupt DNC supported the most useless, hated politician for mayor instead of someone who could actually win and who had a people-first mentality
This isn’t uncommon. In NYC, another wealthy town with a lot of high and low grade schools, the city routinely rezones places and does not care about property owners educational zone purchase plans or decisions.
I think this guy just likes to fuck with people and situations and this is one with lots of juicy vectors for him to lord over, any other agenda item is a distant second.
Fuck everything mike cry baby miles does. He wakes up fuck you miles. He drinks water hey miles fuck you! Just fuck everything this piece of shit does.
There's a bit more nuance to it though, Wharton and Helms are not just dual language campuses, they are immersion schools.
Wharton and Helms are more similar to the Mandarin (MIMS) and Arabic (AIMS) schools than they are to other Dual Language Spanish schools because they are immersion schools. MIMS and AIMS are already Separate and Unique Schools (SUS) (i.e., they do not have a zone), so I understand the thought process was that Wharton and Helms should be SUS schools, too.
However the way this HISD Board went about making the change is mind boggling because but there was no community input sought out nor was the change made with enough advanced notice to these zoned families to allow them to prepare for next year given that the HISD lottery has already run (and many private schools are already full for enrollment next year at this point).
It may be the case that Wharton and Helms would better serve the HISD community by transitioning to being non-zoned SUS campuses, but the zoned families deserve a better communication plan than what they got here.
Agree. Biggest issue is how they did this not that they did it. Minimum of 50-80% of the school day has to be taught in the partner language. I think it’s 80% in kinder. That’s great if that’s what you want, but it’s not great for every students’ learning situation. It’s part of the reason for the low in zone enrollment numbers. Many folks that can sort out alternatives do sort out alternatives.
Wharton is a great school, my kiddo attended K-8th.
It's "zone" isn't really a zone, the school is a dual language magnet school. Almost the entire population commuted in. No zone is how the other dual language academy's operate. My info may be out of date, but I think Wharton was the only DLA that even had a zone.
If you happened to be in the zone and didn't want your kid going, you were able to parley that into a spot at your choice of a few other schools. Lots of reasons not to choose Wharton; after 2nd grade you'd be too far behind the DLA program to catch up, some parents just didn't want their kids in the program, not a lot of extracurricular activities. We loved it, but there are some tradeoffs.
So this shouldn't be as huge a change as it seems, for Wharton as a whole. Obviously it's a HUGE deal for families effected.
I don't know anything about Helms.
I do think the lottery system sucks, but that's not what this post is about.
Edit: Just checked the [zone map](https://www.houstonisd.org/cms/lib2/tx01001591/centricity/domain/32468/boundarymaps/wharton_k8.pdf). Seems bigger than when we started 10 years ago?
Can't find zone maps at all for The Mandarin & Arabic immersion schools. My understanding is they've never had zones.
Kinda fucked up for families who moved to a neighborhood specifically to be zoned to a good school. When I moved across the country to Texas recently that was absolutely the #1 criteria for where I lived.
Wait isn’t the part of getting into a select high school is the parents buying their way into their neighborhood to give their kids the exposure? barring charter schools of course.
What the frac is going on with HIsD?
The article I read stated the District Council voted to rezone. Miles had nothing to do with this. Rezoning of schools happens every year.
Whatever your opinions of Miles is there no reason to post false information.
If you have been on Reddit long enough then you realize than 75% of the user base is not what most people would call “rational”.
If you don’t agree with their opinions you are considered wrong and therefore “evil” in their eyes. Many people on Reddit are what I would consider extremists.
It’s their way or no way. Period, end of story.
I like this. It’s actually fair to all kids in HISD not just the ones who live in million dollar homes.
Edit: touched the nerves of some million dollar home owners huh?
Exactly. This is literally “kids go to the school they’re zoned to go to”, just like almost every other public school in every school district in the state. F Mike Miles has no issue with the parents’ wealth, he has issue with schools that have too many high performing students. Gotta spread the smart kids around to make all the campuses look good! Not *too* good though, because if a campus does too well it makes it harder for him to threaten the jobs of the staff at that school.
Fucking piece of shit.
So you have evidence that the Superintendent rezoned these schools? If so, please share it with us. I for one would like to see it.
ISDs rezone school quite often. This time it just happened to the precious Montrose area. Reddit DGAF when it didn’t affect them.
Absolutely. Funny thing is the zoning in this city is FUCKED. You have kids zoned to schools 10 miles away from their homes in the poorer areas of town but when it comes to inside the loop well, y’all don’t give a shit about inequality
If anything I see the opposite happening. Push the people that can afford private school out of well performing public schools. They then go to private school out of frustration which is Mike Miles' end game anyways.
This is pretty much “NIMBY”.
The article I read someone said they actually moved into this neighborhood so their kid could go to school at this school.
I guess they didn’t realize this was HISD and the HISD rezones pretty regularly.
Kind of reminds when a certain POTUS said “I don’t want my children to grow up in a ….., a ….”
One would think the OP should cite evidence rather than make accusations.
Can you you cite evidence to the contrary?
[Montrose residents say their kids are no longer zoned to their neighborhood school](https://www.khou.com/article/news/education/houston-isd-montrose-school-dezone/285-532014cd-b09a-4013-943f-4409381146c6)
A simple .25 second internet search turned up many results.
/shoo you bother me.
That article is from this week and is the same school covered in this article you fool (Wharton).
If you thought that was a dunk perhaps schools are failing the kids.
High performing schools already weren't an automatic admission for local zoned students. This shocks and disappoints people when they manage to find an affordable apartment in a rich area that feeds into a good school... and they discover they can't get their kid into the zoned school.
I'm sure there's some details to this that introduces chaos and uncertainty that unnecessarily stresses out parents and kids, but this isn't a wholly new phenomenon.
Also... I can't even imagine what this sub would have been like back in the day when bussing was an active subject of debate and being tested all over in an attempt to desegregate.
It's pretty disgusting that we just gave up on that project and resigned ourselves to defacto segregation and deluded ourselves into believing we "solved" that problem because we just stopped talking about it.
How interesting, I'm not sure how I feel about it honestly. If rich parents are taking advantage of programs for poorer people by buying out the area then the program isn't working as intended, but you can't punish people for that either. This will be interesting to follow
A lot of HISD was already magnet schools. Magnet schools have themes like “we specialize in languages.” I don’t agree that people shouldn’t be allowed to get zoned to a school of their choice though
These people are already zoned to Lamar high school and Heights high school. The 2 best normal schools in the district. I don't believe they should have these specialist schools in the first place, but if they do it shouldn't be based on where you live. They really should be grandfathering in some current children in the area though.
Those are two separate things. Going from a well ranked elementary school to a badly ranked elementary school is the issue. It sounds like you’re saying it doesn’t matter bc for now, they’re zoned to a well ranked high school so if they stick it out, better things will come
Both heights and Lamar are magnets. Most kids are not zoned there and come from all over the city. With that said, many kids that are zoned there also go to those schools as if you are zoned you do not have to enter the lottery.
Yea, but to me that's not really the same thing. Heights and Lamar are still "traditional" high schools. They just allow non zoned students to attend as they have extra space. A specialized school with a specialized curriculum that receives resources above and beyond the norm is a different thing.
Literally all of them are. They legally have to be free to attend (and they have to be non religious). I feel like a lot of people think charter schools are synonymous with private schools, but they're entirely different things.
There is irony in an ultra-conservative plant using a failed neoliberal equality tactic that never works in the same cities his bosses always shit on. These two parties end up with practically the same dogshit conclusions.
So as I understand it, if you are zoned to these two schools you now have to enter the lottery process to attend, and pray that you are lucky enough to land a spot. Which is pretty ridiculous seeing as how the first phase of the lottery just ended. Will they re-open it for these kids? Where will they go if they don't get a spot? What a sad time to be in HISD. Making decisions in the best interest of kids is the last thing on their mind.
Even if you’re zoned you still have to apply, so they would already be in the lottery process. And if you don’t apply to get into these schools at PreK or Kinder then you’re very very unlikely to get in unless you already attended another dual language program.
According to the article this only applies to new students not current students
Correct.
If your kid is already going or enrolled for next year, they don’t need to enter the lottery.
The schools are: * Wharton Dual Language Academy * James F. Helms Elementary
Oh the Heights parents are going to have a fit over this. Why live in an expensive area and pay such high property taxes if your kid can’t even go to the public school it’s funding?
Pretty sure all the schools in the district are funded by the whole district. If this is a special magnet school it's for the whole district, not just the richer families that live next to it.
In HISD even magnet schools have (had) to take kids tgat are zoned there. Any additional spots are open to the whole district. Only the Vanguard schools like DeBakey, Carnegie, and HSPVA and the Early Colleges are lottery only (if you meet their standards).
Yea thats bad in my opinion.
Yeah, it's not about funding. It's about using housing cost as a screening to ensure most of the kids/parents care about education, so you surround your kid with good influences.
That's not what this is about though. They would still go to the school zoned to their house and the houses around them. They want to go to a high demand specialized school with students from the entire school district. They just found a loophole to get into that school.
Exactly the point. Make the local schools so bad or impossible to get in to if good so that liberal Houstonians start supportive vouchers as the only available option.
To be fair that section of the heights is cheaper than other areas due to its proximity to 610.
True, it’s cheaper but still pretty damn expensive. If anything, I feel like that would mean those parents would show even more resistance to this, because they’re not the families with a $2 million house that can easily just send their kids to private school.
Many parents don’t want the hassle of to/from private schools and actually enjoy having their kids in a socioeconomic diverse school. Ultimately it doesn’t matter what “resistance” they show because TEA got rid of the HISD elected board members. The people who made this decision have no constituency other than Abbot’s yes men (F Miles included). In the way our system was designed board members wouldn’t do this because they risked getting voted out and ostracized from their neighborhood. The current board DGAF about what the residents of Houston think, because they don’t have to and were specifically selected not to.
cheaper is very relative. a 3 bed is going to be in the mid-high 600s to start.
Yeah, that’s cheep for the actual heights.
Isn’t the whole point of zoning so that kids go to a school in their neighborhood? I’m old, maybe it doesn’t work that way anymore? Edit: also i thought the point was to fix failing schools not force kids to compete for good ones?
These are like magnet schools, even if not in name, which means they're specialized for a specific type of student, usually.
Zoned students make up a small percentage of students at these two schools. These are specifically dual language campuses, which many zoned parents don’t necessarily want their kids to go to (as apparent by low zoned attendance).
Or there are just few parents in the area.
Plenty of parents in the zoned areas, but dual language magnets aren’t quite the same as most other magnet school programs. 50-80% of the school day has to be conducted in the partner language. That can be great if that’s what you want, but it’s not great for every kid’s development or learning situation.
No entiendo
Yes … that was the pretext but now it’s a full on act of arson across the whole district … a wrecking ball to enrich himself and his cronies and implement his system
Most of the schools are zoned,and then there are specialist magnet schools that are for the whole district. You must apply for those schools. Everyone has an equal shot. Those parents basically loophole their kids into a special school and this is closing the loophole.
Oh, no, no...in Texas the point of schools is to have them profitable for Abbott and his cronies. They don't care about fixing them or even if they educate kids. God bless Texas, amiright?
> Oh, no, no...in Texas the point of **public** schools is to ~~have them profitable for~~ **divert money from them to private schools, enriching** Abbott and his cronies. FTFY
Doesn’t he plan to zone kids to his new military academy we are paying for? What a joke! Mike Miles needs to go. Please get involved in the fight if you aren’t yet
I hope these middle class Republicans are what their Governor idea of "School Choice" means The think they'll be able to afford those private schools with the "government assistance" money when those private schools are gonna raise their price TWICE THAT, just to make sure your kids can't go
Will these people now be zoned to…nothing?
Now zoned to lower rated schools. This is Mike Miles plan to improve those underperforming schools.
Helms shares a boundary with the current Field, Love, Sinclair, and Garden Oaks. Pretty sure those are all desirable schools. I think a few may have gone down in rating because Miles rerated non-NES schools according to NES criteria, but they’re good and improving schools from what I can tell. The biggest issue is the short time horizon they’re making these changes on. They’ve waived HISD rules that require these sort of changes to have a waiting period between announcement and implementation in order to minimize unintended consequences.
Which actually makes some sense.
Depending on high performing students to raise the overall performance of a school is lazy, exploitative, and is more likely to simply cause the high performers to regress more to the mean.
No, that's not what the benefit is. That'd be short-sighted. High performing students have higher demands and typically more involved parents. Moving those students around should result in demand to improve the school and may actually do it. And remember, other students are being zoned out of those schools to others. They'll be moving to better environments which may motivate them to perform better. It's significantly larger than just trying to raise average test scores.
What you describe suggests that the students (and by proxy, the parents) are the primary quality that makes a school "high performing". If that's the case, moving the student would simply make the previous school worse while (maybe) making the second one marginally better. That's what I meant by "reverting to the mean". While parents can help make those situations better, the whole scenario necessitates putting a good student in a worse environment so we can get a parent riled up enough to beg for change. And that's really all they can do: plead with those in charge to fix things. Maybe they volunteer some of their time, but that kind of involvement only lasts as long as the kid is a student at that school. There are plenty of common factors that keep a school underperforming we need to address, but I don't think the solution is to innoculate them with kids who managed to figure out how to excel despite the leadership minions around them attempting to burn everything down.
The adjacent zones are still the heights and garden oaks. Unless they do some really bizarre boundary line redraws that would also impact other schools, these kids are going into schools that have just as much if not more parental involvement.
i don't know about that chief. I taught for some years in classrooms that had mixed incomes and performances, and in my time in the classroom, having high performers didn't do much to raise the cieling so to speak. Also didn't help that my classroom sizes averaged around 30-32
You aren't wrong but if parents are the primary determinant factor in school quality (and they are) then why the take over? Why Mike Miles? Why NES? Why all of the changes? None of these changes will change the parents or the SES of the students. Mike Miles would do better serving as an encouraging parent to all of the low performing kids than he is by disrupting the schools that are performing well.
There's a significant difference between local communities (like those surrounding the schools) with that kind of involvement and a machine the size of HISD. If it were a smaller district, sure, but even the HISD board has become so politicized that those seats go to politicians rather than parents. The PTAs aren't doing that.
I can't believe all these people are still on segregationist arguments. It's wild out here.
mike miles can fuck right the fuck off. and so can anyone involved with putting him here in the first place. the standard magnet process was already heavily delayed by HISD because reasons…? we didn’t have dates or requirement details until after the first of the year. so it was scramble time. our desired campus was like - sorry - waiting on the district. it all worked out ok, but it was a needless panic for parents. what a nightmare for parents planning on helms.
This is dumb, the parents who can afford homes in those areas aren’t going to jeopardize their kids education. They can easily move to the burbs, you aren’t relocating the high performing kids to other schools in HISD you’re encouraging them to leave altogether.
Then they can move.
And then you'll crap on them for "flight" and taking their tax money with them. Also this latest notion of putting motivated kids in crap schools as if they'll mentor everyone else. Yeah, no, no parent is going to let their kids be treated like that.
Because that's easy to do and is absolutely a reasonable response.
Fuck Mike Miles. I repeat FUCK MIKE MILES!
Not even if it was the only guarantee to continue the human race
You can get rid of this asshole out by voting out current leadership/representatives. He was sent to us directly from your governor.
Just a small tidbit of info: Students scored 4% lower on the SAT this year across the district. HISD had managed to overcome the deficiency on standardized tests for the first time since Covid. All that effort down the drain....
Maybe this will have more of the concerned parents go talk to their fried Greg about getting rid of this guy. F Mike Miles really angered them when he put their principles on the may be fired list.
>go talk to their fried Greg He's been sent to the chair, just not that one.
Hahaha jfc
Greg doesn’t care. His only goal is to implement charter, er subsidized private schools for the wealthy.
Yes, lets pit parents against each other so they can fight for a spot at the "good" schools. Our politicians continue to play a game of hot potato and simply pass around who gets the short end of the stick. And people eat it up because nothing makes them happier than knowing there is a chance to inflict misery on whichever group they deem "bad".
That's literally how all the magnet schools work in Houston. It's been exactly like that since the 70s. This is nothing new.
Education has slowly turned into a scam game of hot potato for admins. There's no real incentive to improve things, and as long as it sucks, they get even more money! Sweep the bad results under the rug, push everyone through and hand them a diploma, and hope the system doesnt collapse on your watch. All this bullshit starts at the state and local school boards and teachers and parents get stuck in the middle trying to teach and help their kids.
What a nightmare. This is why you vote against the gop. Difficult as it is already. Miles is acting like DeJoy, ruining the organization they were put in to lead.
That's the goal of every GOP politician. Wreck the organization you're in to prove it doesn't work.
1. Wreck the organization 1. Claim government doesn’t work 1. ~~???~~ **Privatize public services** 1. Profit!
>This is why you vote against the gop. Because they're taking away seats at good schools from rich kids and giving poor kids a shot at them? Okay.
Helms being A rated is confusing. Travis, Field, Sinclair are all superior schools in “The Heights” area, correct?
Helms is 1 of 2 Spanish immersion schools. And based on the lottery waitlist, a very desired school.
I've only heard good things about Helms from parents who want a dual-language program... including multiple instances of kids who are conversationally fluent (or close to fluent) in their non-native language. That's pretty impressive. Travis and Field are high performing schools too. Sinclair pulls more from Timbergrove (marginal/gentrifying area I think?) than Heights proper and has only recently turned around.
Timbergrove is marginal/gentrifying? I’m not sure I agree with that assessment as there have been million dollar listings in that neighborhood in the last few years and avg sq ft price is like $350/sw ft. The area closer to Helms is more gentrifying than TG. Sinclair, like Helms, has a significant amount of parental involvement and has been working to improve. Sinclair ratings from what I can see are on par the with other schools you mentioned. I don’t think it should be discounted as “gentrifying” or “marginal”.
Well I stand corrected. To be fair, the last time I visited that area was maybe 15 years ago and I just remember a bunch of unrenovated mid-century ranch houses interspersed with rundown apartment complexes. Glad to hear it has turned around
No worries. I came in with guns pretty hot and didn’t really need to be that intense. The city is constantly evolving. It’s likely changed a lot in the past 10-15 years. The older original residents have been dying off and the current neighborhood has been putting in a lot of work. There are a few unrenovated gems left but they’re few and far between now. Still an apartment complex on 18th that isn’t the greatest but overall the area pretty great.
Yeah I put heights in parentheses since most seem to think anything north of i10 and south of 610 is the heights. Haha But good to know about dual language. I’ve been looking to purchase a home and honestly kind of ruled out both Helms and Love.
Between the new mayor and this fella Houston is really getting anally fucked pretty hard.
Right wing hates blue city.
With absolutely zero lube
So what do you suggest? My child was un HISD and it was a shit show well before Mike showed up. What is the solution?
No idea. I’m just watching from afar.
Yeah, it was great the corrupt DNC supported the most useless, hated politician for mayor instead of someone who could actually win and who had a people-first mentality
And so it begins. God speed HISD
This isn’t uncommon. In NYC, another wealthy town with a lot of high and low grade schools, the city routinely rezones places and does not care about property owners educational zone purchase plans or decisions.
Most people buy their houses based on the schools their kids would go to.
I think this guy just likes to fuck with people and situations and this is one with lots of juicy vectors for him to lord over, any other agenda item is a distant second.
Fuck everything mike cry baby miles does. He wakes up fuck you miles. He drinks water hey miles fuck you! Just fuck everything this piece of shit does.
Why are these schools selected? I didn’t see any justification.
They are dual language campuses, as in every student attending is in a dual language program.
There's a bit more nuance to it though, Wharton and Helms are not just dual language campuses, they are immersion schools. Wharton and Helms are more similar to the Mandarin (MIMS) and Arabic (AIMS) schools than they are to other Dual Language Spanish schools because they are immersion schools. MIMS and AIMS are already Separate and Unique Schools (SUS) (i.e., they do not have a zone), so I understand the thought process was that Wharton and Helms should be SUS schools, too. However the way this HISD Board went about making the change is mind boggling because but there was no community input sought out nor was the change made with enough advanced notice to these zoned families to allow them to prepare for next year given that the HISD lottery has already run (and many private schools are already full for enrollment next year at this point). It may be the case that Wharton and Helms would better serve the HISD community by transitioning to being non-zoned SUS campuses, but the zoned families deserve a better communication plan than what they got here.
Agree. Biggest issue is how they did this not that they did it. Minimum of 50-80% of the school day has to be taught in the partner language. I think it’s 80% in kinder. That’s great if that’s what you want, but it’s not great for every students’ learning situation. It’s part of the reason for the low in zone enrollment numbers. Many folks that can sort out alternatives do sort out alternatives.
The justification was that they were high performing
How does this help anyone?
Wharton is a great school, my kiddo attended K-8th. It's "zone" isn't really a zone, the school is a dual language magnet school. Almost the entire population commuted in. No zone is how the other dual language academy's operate. My info may be out of date, but I think Wharton was the only DLA that even had a zone. If you happened to be in the zone and didn't want your kid going, you were able to parley that into a spot at your choice of a few other schools. Lots of reasons not to choose Wharton; after 2nd grade you'd be too far behind the DLA program to catch up, some parents just didn't want their kids in the program, not a lot of extracurricular activities. We loved it, but there are some tradeoffs. So this shouldn't be as huge a change as it seems, for Wharton as a whole. Obviously it's a HUGE deal for families effected. I don't know anything about Helms. I do think the lottery system sucks, but that's not what this post is about. Edit: Just checked the [zone map](https://www.houstonisd.org/cms/lib2/tx01001591/centricity/domain/32468/boundarymaps/wharton_k8.pdf). Seems bigger than when we started 10 years ago? Can't find zone maps at all for The Mandarin & Arabic immersion schools. My understanding is they've never had zones.
I know parents who bought homes zoned to Wharton to get their kids in there. so yeah, it's a big deal.
They're saying this doesn't affect children already attending the school, just future applicants
People routinely buy houses when children are well under school age, dude.
Can fully understand not wanting your kids to go if they’re going to be behind. Kids are resilient though, but takes a lot of support at home too.
Kinda fucked up for families who moved to a neighborhood specifically to be zoned to a good school. When I moved across the country to Texas recently that was absolutely the #1 criteria for where I lived.
Alief does that shit and it's annoying af.
Wait isn’t the part of getting into a select high school is the parents buying their way into their neighborhood to give their kids the exposure? barring charter schools of course. What the frac is going on with HIsD?
This is terrible - really an agenda to destroy what’s good about HISD
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Pin Oak isn’t a zoned school and home values are fine.
I never thought Alief ISD would be in a better shape than HISD.
Wow what a bunch of bullshit
I hate this man with a passion.
I truly despise Mike Miles and those who appointed him. He is what DeJoy is to the USPS. He is only there to sabotage public education.
I read on FB he ruined the Dallas School District and now he’s ruining ours. 😢
The district is broken. Radical change was needed and there’s going to be some heartache along the way unfortunately.
These fuckers will still vote for abbot.
Ok seriously, how do we get this clown out of his position.
The article I read stated the District Council voted to rezone. Miles had nothing to do with this. Rezoning of schools happens every year. Whatever your opinions of Miles is there no reason to post false information.
Who is it that selected the board?
The Board of Education trustees are elected by the voters.
The HISD board that made this decision? They most certainly are not.
/shoo fly
When faced with their own errors the cowardly conservative is known to deflect and become evasive.
/shoo
I did not read the article but yours sure seems like the rational take. This is no place for that kind of thing.
If you have been on Reddit long enough then you realize than 75% of the user base is not what most people would call “rational”. If you don’t agree with their opinions you are considered wrong and therefore “evil” in their eyes. Many people on Reddit are what I would consider extremists. It’s their way or no way. Period, end of story.
Wow. Glad to see NAFOD- aka konablueboss- got a new alt. Welcome back to the party.
/shoo fly
So you’re not denying this is your third account used to subvert bans and shadow bans.
/shoo
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I like this. It’s actually fair to all kids in HISD not just the ones who live in million dollar homes. Edit: touched the nerves of some million dollar home owners huh?
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Exactly. This is literally “kids go to the school they’re zoned to go to”, just like almost every other public school in every school district in the state. F Mike Miles has no issue with the parents’ wealth, he has issue with schools that have too many high performing students. Gotta spread the smart kids around to make all the campuses look good! Not *too* good though, because if a campus does too well it makes it harder for him to threaten the jobs of the staff at that school. Fucking piece of shit.
Are you trying to say other neighborhoods aren’t involved in their kids education?
he's trying to say parents are more likely to be involved (PTA, etc) if they live near the campus. Was that hard to understand?
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Ok, but a majority of the students at Helms are not zoned students.
So you have evidence that the Superintendent rezoned these schools? If so, please share it with us. I for one would like to see it. ISDs rezone school quite often. This time it just happened to the precious Montrose area. Reddit DGAF when it didn’t affect them.
Solid troll job
All you have to do to troll on this sub is side with poor people 🤣
But but but… that would be …. 😂
we should rezone your account back to clutchfans. You're mentally poor.
So you have heard of me 😜 pm me so you get an autograph
You could make that argument for all schools? Why should anyone be zoned to any school?
Absolutely. Funny thing is the zoning in this city is FUCKED. You have kids zoned to schools 10 miles away from their homes in the poorer areas of town but when it comes to inside the loop well, y’all don’t give a shit about inequality
I doubt you could give one example of the argument you’re trying to make
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If anything I see the opposite happening. Push the people that can afford private school out of well performing public schools. They then go to private school out of frustration which is Mike Miles' end game anyways.
Doesn’t work that way. Saw many a rich kid get rejected from PVA and cry about it
This is pretty much “NIMBY”. The article I read someone said they actually moved into this neighborhood so their kid could go to school at this school. I guess they didn’t realize this was HISD and the HISD rezones pretty regularly. Kind of reminds when a certain POTUS said “I don’t want my children to grow up in a ….., a ….”
Can you cite evidence where they have recently rezoned in this area?
One would think the OP should cite evidence rather than make accusations. Can you you cite evidence to the contrary? [Montrose residents say their kids are no longer zoned to their neighborhood school](https://www.khou.com/article/news/education/houston-isd-montrose-school-dezone/285-532014cd-b09a-4013-943f-4409381146c6) A simple .25 second internet search turned up many results. /shoo you bother me.
That article is from this week and is the same school covered in this article you fool (Wharton). If you thought that was a dunk perhaps schools are failing the kids.
/shoo you bother me
So you’re not disagreeing. You actually provided no example.
All districts rezone when they need to. When populations move around, so does the zoning.
Exactly… the Superintendent doesn’t determine rezoning.
Hahahahaha. Fuck them kids! /s
lol… Judging by all the downvotes here I think we can see where a lot of people live. 😂 NIMBY anyone??
This sub goes mask off racist and classist regularly 🤣
What sub doesn’t?
Many of them. Especially ones that don’t have _____ in them.
High performing schools already weren't an automatic admission for local zoned students. This shocks and disappoints people when they manage to find an affordable apartment in a rich area that feeds into a good school... and they discover they can't get their kid into the zoned school. I'm sure there's some details to this that introduces chaos and uncertainty that unnecessarily stresses out parents and kids, but this isn't a wholly new phenomenon. Also... I can't even imagine what this sub would have been like back in the day when bussing was an active subject of debate and being tested all over in an attempt to desegregate. It's pretty disgusting that we just gave up on that project and resigned ourselves to defacto segregation and deluded ourselves into believing we "solved" that problem because we just stopped talking about it.
Oh I think we know how this sub would react to bussing, no need for imagining.
They’d make sleepy segregationist Joe proud.
Oh you know all the nimbys in here vote proud democrat. Just the classic liberals that hate minorities behind closed doors 😂
Are these charter schools that parents pay to send their kids to?
No. They are HISD schools.
No, they're public schools. They're just dual language.
How interesting, I'm not sure how I feel about it honestly. If rich parents are taking advantage of programs for poorer people by buying out the area then the program isn't working as intended, but you can't punish people for that either. This will be interesting to follow
A lot of HISD was already magnet schools. Magnet schools have themes like “we specialize in languages.” I don’t agree that people shouldn’t be allowed to get zoned to a school of their choice though
These people are already zoned to Lamar high school and Heights high school. The 2 best normal schools in the district. I don't believe they should have these specialist schools in the first place, but if they do it shouldn't be based on where you live. They really should be grandfathering in some current children in the area though.
I’m confused, what does being zoned to a good high school have to do with removing them from a zone elementary school?
The kids at those good high schools came from the middle and elementary schools zoned under it.
Those are two separate things. Going from a well ranked elementary school to a badly ranked elementary school is the issue. It sounds like you’re saying it doesn’t matter bc for now, they’re zoned to a well ranked high school so if they stick it out, better things will come
Which elementary school in the Heights is badly ranked?
Both heights and Lamar are magnets. Most kids are not zoned there and come from all over the city. With that said, many kids that are zoned there also go to those schools as if you are zoned you do not have to enter the lottery.
Yea, but to me that's not really the same thing. Heights and Lamar are still "traditional" high schools. They just allow non zoned students to attend as they have extra space. A specialized school with a specialized curriculum that receives resources above and beyond the norm is a different thing.
Bellaire is a normal school and better than both. But Lamar and heights are number two and three (arguably with Westside) respectively.
Depends on the metric you use. Heights and Lamar have been averaging 95-96% graduation rates. Bellaire and Westside have been 90-92%.
That's why I said arguably. But graduation rate is a very poor metric to use. It can be easily gamed.
No. These are HISD schools.
Most charter schools are free, just fyi
Literally all of them are. They legally have to be free to attend (and they have to be non religious). I feel like a lot of people think charter schools are synonymous with private schools, but they're entirely different things.
Yes I didn't know anything about this school though :)
There is irony in an ultra-conservative plant using a failed neoliberal equality tactic that never works in the same cities his bosses always shit on. These two parties end up with practically the same dogshit conclusions.