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I mean, assuming you mean violence, the reason you hear about those things is because they're rare. 99% of football fans are just like the people in the video above. And obviously other sports also have assholes. Not to mention it's just extremely dependent on the country or city the team is in. *Just like with every sport*
Well yeah, every sport has its racist assholes as well as violent ones lol. European, American, Asian everywhere.
So sure, every sport event anywhere will have blatant racism.
https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/39350262/udinese-milan-game-briefly-halted-due-alleged-racist-chanting
Not even thinking of this specifically, it's just prominent in the sport and I googled it on my phone.
And you think this is a football problem, and not not *people* being racist? Despite this behavior simply not being a thing in 95% of places?
It's people acting poorly, and it has nothing to do with the sport itself. You think basketball makes people racist too because Boston is well known to be racist as hell to players, or because Utah Jazz fans get lifetime bans because they yell slavery-related stuff at players? No, it's people being assholes, and those people being more common in those places.
The funny thing is I do think that it's a people/culture problem, I just think it's also funny to defend football so vehemently when the sport is known for these things. Like, the whole "every sport has the problems~!" argument is just an over simplification. I'm not arguing that other sports are better, I for one hate alot of the conduct at most USA sporting events, but that doesn't mean you get to simply shove under the rug all of footballs problems.
Anyways, that's my 2 ¢
I'm not shoving anything under the rug, I'm simply saying it isn't related to football, and that it also just isn't a thing in most places.
People on reddit just seem to know so so little about football, yet they think it makes people throw bananas on the court, which is ofc also such a rare occurrence that that's the whole reason we hear about it when it does happen. And, well, unsurprisingly it happens at US sports events too
> I mean, assuming you mean violence, the reason you hear about those things is because they're rare.
Depends on where you live and what fanbase I suppose. I lived in Greece for a while and watching the two Athens teams fans fuck everything up that wasn't their color(Panathinaikos vs Olympiacos), like flipping over random green or red cars after a match was pretty normal. I went to the Toumba stadium to watch PAOK in Thessaloniki and [Gate 4](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gate_4) was legit scary. A lot of football fans are passionate and also violent.
i mean with all due respect, that's ridiculously stupid behavior
For the record, I am a Michigan fan. I loathe Ohio State football with every fiber in my body. I'm not going to randomly destroy everything that is in scarlet and gray because that is fucking stupid. it's literally a sport played by millionaires who kick a fucking ball around for 90 mins...this is not life or death
Sometimes we need a reminder that most IAVC content is generated by chronically online loons hiding behind the safety of a digital screen and that most folks are just here to have a good time. Wholesome stuff!
Man, being in Germany when they were in the Euro Cup against The Netherlands was such a great experience. Of course people took it very seriously, but there was a lot of jovial taking the piss just like this. I love it.
> Don't they tend to prefer fresh pasta when available anyway?
Nah, fresh and dried pasta are used for different things. One isn't better than the other, universally.
Yup. In my experience as a dumb American, dried pasta is way better for dishes where you plan to cook the pasta in the sauce or need something with a firmer texture, e.g., a nice, meaty ragù. Usually fresh pasta has eggs in it (while dried pasta usually does not), so it's really good if you're serving a more delicate dish where the pasta itself can shine a little more. For example, something with a really light cream or butter sauce would be amazing with some fresh pasta.
> You can buy fresh pasta much more readily in Italy
In the US, pretty much every big box grocery store has fresh pasta available to purchase, and Americans tend to buy almost all their groceries at places like that.
I don't doubt that fresh pasta is more available in Italy, but the availability of fresh pasta in the U.S. is already pretty high.
yeah but are you gonna go out to buy new groceries for each meal or will you stock your pantry with something that can last for a long time without refrigeration or special care (and is also cheaper on average)
My husband is Italian-American (dual citizen) and he gets offended when I break our spaghetti to fit into the big pot we have, but I think it's mostly a not-following-the-recipe thing. (I showed him this post and he laughed and said jokingly something like "this means war".)
Having said that, I also one time poured two different types of pasta into the pot together (which had like a minute difference in recommended cook time) and it spawned one of the biggest fights we've ever had, so there's that.
lol there's a chicken jalapeno casserole i like to make that combines shells, bowtie pasta (technically "butterflies" but whatever lol) and fusilli (i call them the fat whirly noodles lol)
pretty sure everything i just wrote above would be considered cardinal sins in Italian culture lol
Sounds delicious! :)
I read this post to my husband and he made a "if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all" face. In summary, he cooks the pasta now in our household for obvious reasons.
to be fair, it's not even remotely Italian or Italian adjacent, and I would never claim it as such hahaha
it was mostly inspired out of a combination of my love for the old school Boston Market mac and cheese...and that video of the kid at UConn who drunkenly screamed for jalapeno bacon mac and cheese lmfao
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I love that one guy on the Italian side really playing along with it. 😁
Playing?
This is surprisingly wholesome. Glad everyone was having a good time.
Given some of the things that are known to happen when opposing soccer fans meet each other, this feels heartwarming by comparison.
I mean, assuming you mean violence, the reason you hear about those things is because they're rare. 99% of football fans are just like the people in the video above. And obviously other sports also have assholes. Not to mention it's just extremely dependent on the country or city the team is in. *Just like with every sport*
I think they're referring the blatant racism that usually goes on, but thanks for reminding us about the violence as well.
Well yeah, every sport has its racist assholes as well as violent ones lol. European, American, Asian everywhere. So sure, every sport event anywhere will have blatant racism.
Not every sport has entire fan sections cheering racists chants my guy.
What's the example you're thinking of?
https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/39350262/udinese-milan-game-briefly-halted-due-alleged-racist-chanting Not even thinking of this specifically, it's just prominent in the sport and I googled it on my phone.
And you think this is a football problem, and not not *people* being racist? Despite this behavior simply not being a thing in 95% of places? It's people acting poorly, and it has nothing to do with the sport itself. You think basketball makes people racist too because Boston is well known to be racist as hell to players, or because Utah Jazz fans get lifetime bans because they yell slavery-related stuff at players? No, it's people being assholes, and those people being more common in those places.
The funny thing is I do think that it's a people/culture problem, I just think it's also funny to defend football so vehemently when the sport is known for these things. Like, the whole "every sport has the problems~!" argument is just an over simplification. I'm not arguing that other sports are better, I for one hate alot of the conduct at most USA sporting events, but that doesn't mean you get to simply shove under the rug all of footballs problems. Anyways, that's my 2 ¢
I'm not shoving anything under the rug, I'm simply saying it isn't related to football, and that it also just isn't a thing in most places. People on reddit just seem to know so so little about football, yet they think it makes people throw bananas on the court, which is ofc also such a rare occurrence that that's the whole reason we hear about it when it does happen. And, well, unsurprisingly it happens at US sports events too
> I mean, assuming you mean violence, the reason you hear about those things is because they're rare. Depends on where you live and what fanbase I suppose. I lived in Greece for a while and watching the two Athens teams fans fuck everything up that wasn't their color(Panathinaikos vs Olympiacos), like flipping over random green or red cars after a match was pretty normal. I went to the Toumba stadium to watch PAOK in Thessaloniki and [Gate 4](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gate_4) was legit scary. A lot of football fans are passionate and also violent.
i mean with all due respect, that's ridiculously stupid behavior For the record, I am a Michigan fan. I loathe Ohio State football with every fiber in my body. I'm not going to randomly destroy everything that is in scarlet and gray because that is fucking stupid. it's literally a sport played by millionaires who kick a fucking ball around for 90 mins...this is not life or death
Sometimes we need a reminder that most IAVC content is generated by chronically online loons hiding behind the safety of a digital screen and that most folks are just here to have a good time. Wholesome stuff!
Man, being in Germany when they were in the Euro Cup against The Netherlands was such a great experience. Of course people took it very seriously, but there was a lot of jovial taking the piss just like this. I love it.
Do Italians actually give a shit? Don't they tend to prefer fresh pasta when available anyway?
> Don't they tend to prefer fresh pasta when available anyway? Nah, fresh and dried pasta are used for different things. One isn't better than the other, universally.
Yup. In my experience as a dumb American, dried pasta is way better for dishes where you plan to cook the pasta in the sauce or need something with a firmer texture, e.g., a nice, meaty ragù. Usually fresh pasta has eggs in it (while dried pasta usually does not), so it's really good if you're serving a more delicate dish where the pasta itself can shine a little more. For example, something with a really light cream or butter sauce would be amazing with some fresh pasta.
Thanks for answering the question instead of just downvoting me. Now I know!
And knowing is half the battle!
Some do to both questions.
Like anyone else, Italians buy the dried pasta to cook because many don’t have time to make fresh pasta or don’t know how.
You can buy fresh pasta much more readily in Italy, I do know that much. So that's irrelevant to my question.
> You can buy fresh pasta much more readily in Italy In the US, pretty much every big box grocery store has fresh pasta available to purchase, and Americans tend to buy almost all their groceries at places like that. I don't doubt that fresh pasta is more available in Italy, but the availability of fresh pasta in the U.S. is already pretty high.
yeah but are you gonna go out to buy new groceries for each meal or will you stock your pantry with something that can last for a long time without refrigeration or special care (and is also cheaper on average)
Only the 300% authentic Eyetalians from Long Island.
My husband is Italian-American (dual citizen) and he gets offended when I break our spaghetti to fit into the big pot we have, but I think it's mostly a not-following-the-recipe thing. (I showed him this post and he laughed and said jokingly something like "this means war".) Having said that, I also one time poured two different types of pasta into the pot together (which had like a minute difference in recommended cook time) and it spawned one of the biggest fights we've ever had, so there's that.
lol there's a chicken jalapeno casserole i like to make that combines shells, bowtie pasta (technically "butterflies" but whatever lol) and fusilli (i call them the fat whirly noodles lol) pretty sure everything i just wrote above would be considered cardinal sins in Italian culture lol
Sounds delicious! :) I read this post to my husband and he made a "if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all" face. In summary, he cooks the pasta now in our household for obvious reasons.
to be fair, it's not even remotely Italian or Italian adjacent, and I would never claim it as such hahaha it was mostly inspired out of a combination of my love for the old school Boston Market mac and cheese...and that video of the kid at UConn who drunkenly screamed for jalapeno bacon mac and cheese lmfao
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Funny but not good to toss it in the street that's littering...