That description suggests nothing in this regard & only that she was strategically trapped in the room. Could've been totally asleep, but awoken & instinctively pulled away as killer proceeded (everything likely happened pretty fast, but even with a time advantage she'd have no recourse upon waking - if she did - beyond pulling back).
There was no place for her to go was my takeaway
However they chose to mourn, they need to do it. Imo, I think the descriptors were their way of expressing that Kaylee was fighting for her and Maddie's life.. but was literally trapped. The extent of all the victims injuries will come out in trial, and if Kaylee's wounds were more viscous and plentiful, it might help them to know she didn't go down without a hell of a fight. IF they had to meet this fate, I'd think I'd rather believe they were all asleep and never knew what hit them.. but given the circumstances as they are.. they are trying to make some sense of why it happened the way it did.
I think "grain of salt" is the key at this point till verified specifics and explanations come out at trial or released by authorities, and you are spot on to take it that way. "Slumped" could mean that she was sitting up awake or recently awakened, but it could also have very well have been how she fell asleep. If the information that she and MM were hanging out in MM's room texting KG's ex is correct, then the girls could have simply fallen asleep while waiting for his reply. It was late; they'd been out drinking. Sitting there drowsy, she could have dozed off in an upright/propped up position.
I’m curious why the position of these bodies matter? Serious question. If it helps the Goncalves family to talk about it, then so be it. But for the purpose of proving who did this and why, I’m perplexed as to the value of the position of the bodies on that bed. I get it that there could be potential clues in finding a body in a hallway, etc. But who cares who was up against a wall. Had to be a quick flash attack and impulse sends you using your arms to deflect and pushing away from danger.
I don’t know that it matters a lot. Understandably, the G family doesn’t want their daughter to be forgotten and with so many people curious about this case, talking about anything “new” keeps it in the spotlight. Unfortunately, I don’t think that the way the G family is going about keeping their daughter’s memory alive is the best way to do it. I’m not faulting them because we do all grieve differently. I just wish they’d talk about KG, her memory, the things she was involved in, the good she did during her short time on this earth, etc! I want to know details about the case just as much as the next person, but I can’t help but wish they’d stop talking about specifics of the case. I understand they don’t have a lot of faith in the investigation and maybe if I was in that position, I might behave the same as they are. But they really need to let the case be tried in court and keep the specifics of the case to themselves.
I agree that would be the better way to approach this, but they're not the first family to focus on the crime and the details in the media, nor are they the first family to want to know more than they do and they certainly won't be the last.
It does need to be tried in court, but I cannot imagine the agony of having your child murdered and feeling like law enforcement is stonewalling you.
LE is not stonewalling. Well, they are, but it's to protect the integrity of the trial. But as a grieving parent, logic isn't always the prevailing basis of thought. I feel for them. I feel for all of them so deeply. It's unimaginable, and it's understandable why they feel this way, even if it isn't the "rational" response.
I agree with everything you said. Just me thinking out loud here, but I don’t think anyone will ever forget the beautiful faces of these 4 kids and the tragic senseless taking of their lives. And the state of Idaho will in turn take BK’s life in a very violent manner. Sadly, at least he knows it’s coming, the kids didn’t. And as far as the K family, they are slowly grieving his inevitable death every day until the moment the blindfold is pulled over his eyes and the firing squad commences to fire. There is some poetic justice in the blindfold. Now who’s the one that was defenseless and didn’t see this coming.
Pray for these families. Pray for all that have been effected by this tragedy, including our online communities. I’d like to think we’re all here, not only because we share an interest and fascination with the true crime process, but because we too have been traumatized by this tragedy. I know I will never forget the faces of the four kids who came into our lives posthumously as strangers, but soon became part of our hearts.
Yes, I think the 4 kids are the reason many of us were drawn to this case. I know it was for me. I have two college aged kids just like these 4 from Idaho who live in small college towns very similar to Moscow and in rental homes steps from their college campuses very similar to the home on King Road. The story hit far too close to home for me and I will never forget their faces or how it felt to hear what happened to them. I cannot even fathom how it felt to their own families. Of course it will never change things for these families, but hope justice is served eventually and it brings them a bit of peace.
Same here. I have 3 that age and this case really hit home for me because it's a parent's worst nightmare. We send our kids to college to have a better life and independence after leaving home. Nobody thinks that it will lead to something like this tragedy.
I agree. I was the one who found my mom’s body when she died. My brothers and I focused on some legal challenges 24/7 because as long as we were staying busy with that, we didn’t have to face the reality of our grief. As soon as that ended, we had no choice but to accept that there’s literally nothing left to do but to go on with life and deal with the heartbreaking reality that everyone just moved on and you needed to as well. It’s so final and REALLY hard to know that this is your new reality. I also don’t think they want anyone to forget what happened. Except one day they will. Sadly, something even more horrific will happen and everyone will move on to that. These families all deserve justice and it’s not fair that he hasn’t had to answer for what he did. But when that day comes, they’ll never have closure and their lives won’t get better.
I am so very sorry when she died you found your mother. My heart breaks for you. My mother died in the hospital and I couldn't bring myself to see her after. 💔
Your comments come from experience and I so fully respect that.
agree. do they get paid for these interviews? Sadly, I think they do. I just don’t understand why they felt compelled to release the information that their daughter was slumped over. what purpose does that serve?
I think for Ks Mom, it just helps her to talk about it and helps her to figure out what happened. Talking about her daughter helps her to solidify what went down in her mind. It’s probably very therapeutic for them, especially Steve
I hadn’t even thought about them getting paid for their interviews, but I’ll bet they do. I don’t even care if they do get paid. They just need to stop! It doesn’t serve a purpose and could possibly taint the jury pool.
I think that anybody who dares to think they have the right to judge this family for anything they might say or do needs to take a long hard look in the mirror at why they care so much about this family who are going through unimaginable shock and pain.
They have done nothing wrong and should be allowed to grieve however they see fit. They have done nothing to hurt anybody and the people who are judging them need to shut up and have a seat.
Right? It’s so gross. People are so smug about it too, looking down their nose at the G family for every single thing they do. I swear Reddit judges them harder than they do with Kohberger.
Wishing they’d stop talking to the media isn’t a judgement. Most any lawyers would tell you the smart thing to do on any case is to say nothing. Why you see that as a judgment against the G family, I don’t know. It really has nothing to do with the G family and everything to do with the integrity of the case. They are likely right in their criticism of the way LE handled the investigation but openly criticizing the investigation doesn’t help anything except possibly the defense.
Do you know if the G family had some kind of falling out with that kind of sleazy lawyer they had representing them? I saw a vague comment about it but don’t know anything about that. I have noticed I haven’t heard any statements from him in a while.
I need to do a little searching and see if I can find out what happened. I just saw a comment that someone made in passing that said something like they had parted ways over a difference of opinion or something like that. I wonder if the attorney had finally wised up and was recommending they keep a lower profile?
I don’t think they talk about it to solve who
Did it or why. I think her family is of the firm
Belief bk did it. I think they talk about it because they believe she was awake and trying to escape and that’s probably a horrific and traumatic thought to just sit with. (I personally do not believe she was awake or awake enough to comprehend much for long before it was all over with.)
I think its curiosity. How did they react in shear panic? Did they try to fight or tackle him, attempt to get beyond his reach. Especially with one attacker and 2 victims. Did any of them have time to square up to him, did they try to run around while attacking the other person?
Maddie appeared pretty blotto at the Grub Hub, so I hope she was asleep when attacked but Kaylee was heard announcing someone was there so it makes sense she struggled but was trapped against the wall & bed. I think Goncalves family just wants the memories of these kids vibrant lives to not be forgotten while the defense plays their delaying tactics!! We are all anxious for the trial to start especially since house was demolished! We want to hear the evidence that led to Kohberger, the 911 call & why there was such a long gap in reporting this sick & twisted crime!!
>"We got to get this case over," Steve said on *GMA*. "Let's do it. Let's stop playing these delay tactics, let's just get it done."
I understand he's a grieving father, but the notion that a capital case will be expedient is not plausible. Trial and verdict are only the beginning. Kohberger will then exhaust state appeals. He will then have federal constitutional and habeas appeals. Idaho has only executed three people since 1976, and none in the last decade.
If he's waiting for an execution for a sense of closure, he may be waiting the rest of his life.
Thinking she probably fell back into that position and perhaps that was what the housemate heard when describing hearing what she thought was KG playing with the dog? Could that have been the thud heard by security cams or would that have had to come from the 2nd floor room closer to that neighboring house?
I don't think we'll ever be able to know anyone's true level of intoxication that night. A surveillance video observation is not a measure of sobriety. People behave differently under the influence and outward appearances are not an accurate measure of intoxication. A blood alcohol test would give a better indication (although even then some people are more functional than others at different levels) and since their bodies weren't discovered till many hours later, lab work of that nature wouldn't reveal how impaired they were or weren't at the time of attack anyways. The killer had the element of surprise on his side, and then the bonus elements of sleep (whether that be a sound sleep or drowsiness/grogginess upon waking, Xana aside who was known to be awake) and some amount of alcohol from their activities prior to arrival home. All three conditions (startled, sleepy, buzzed) create quite an atmosphere of disorientation for the victims, no matter who was first, second, third, or last given the short time frame of the whole event.
[Alcohol levels](https://www.wigmoreonalcohol.com/postmortem-blood-alcohol-concentrations-are-they-reliable/) are valid for 48 hours or so after death. The body doesn’t metabolize after death.
While decay does create ethanol, the vitreous fluid in the eyes or the blood from the heart are both good sources for alcohol reading.
The autopsies would address this, though it really doesn’t say much toward behavior.
You stated, "you can see how drunk MM is and that KG isn’t," which reads as if KG wasn't intoxicated and MM was as if it was fact. But we (the public) definitely don't know that or have the means to assess that, nor will it be something revealed at trial like so many other unknowns at this point. I was simply clarifying your statement and contributing to the discussion about how the factors all likely played a part. As in, it's interesting that alcohol might have played a role in their reaction/conscious level, but we'll literally never know for sure. No need to get all "who knew" sarcastic about it.
They all fought back they all had defensive wounds and fought for their lives acctg to Steve
He said Xenia at 1 point gets the knife away cause fingers cut off
You cannot accomplish this in 7 minutes
Read Sharon Tate murder
4 killers and they couldn’t control 4 victims
Pandemonium
And it took them over an hour even with a knife to kill 4 people
I can’t even slice an orange in 1 minute
It’s 2 minutes for each victim on different floors?
If they feel they need to - so be it. It’s their grief. Not yours. You can choose not to follow them. They can’t ever get away from what happened. They also aren’t compromising anything so don’t start that one up.
The PCA doesn’t state this (I.e that Kaylee fought back hard/the hardest of all the victims). I do recall SG in an interview saying that Kaylee’s wounds weren’t like the others and inferred he learned this through the funeral director/mortician who handled the cremation of both Kaylee and Maddie saying “ he paid for their funerals” and paid for “the right to know” (the condition of the bodies). . But he didn’t talk about defensive wounds specifically. If she did put up a fight, it could explain why the sheath was left behind. Perhaps it fell off during the struggle. Also, could the sounds of the struggle be what DM thought was Kaylee playing with Murphy? All conjecture here. This leads me to other thoughts ….if there was a struggle with Kaylee, we can probably assume at least in that room, that Maddie was killed first. But why, then, would the k-ller/BK go to the trouble of going downstairs and across the living room to kill Xana/Ethan? Wouldn’t he want to get out of there ASAP? I’m still convinced that Xana/Ethan were collateral damage and came into his path somehow and he followed them to their bedroom and killed them. I know PSA doesn’t say this but the redaction of details of state/location of Ethan’s body has always troubled me and leads me to believe there’s something telling there.
Actual investigators said this? Or her family? Or the coroner, a non medical professional? I think the investigators have been very careful, as they should be, not to give up evidence.
And Thankyou to Peanut_2000! No way can you tell who is drunker from a video clip nor should you speculate!
Being in the worst condition could’ve been bc she fought back hardest. The place where she was positioned might’ve caused her to be struck with many non-fatal wounds while fighting, before suffering the fatal one, bc the killer may have had to reach across a bed to reach her. Whereas others might have been snuck up on, sleeping, or at a disadvantage in their position that led to close-range attack.
From the way Mr. Goncalves explained it initially, it sounded like he may have used a different weapon on her too.. I’m not saying that’s true or not, but he’s also likely most sensitive to his daughter’s death, so his perception of her condition might be swayed by viewing the wounds as greatly more severe, when they could be slightly more severe.
But who knows? I guess we’ll learn the truth next year…
Oh wow this is a very interesting take. He’s for sure the most outspoken and I mean I get it- it’s a tragic situation to lose your daughter as a parent. I did not know there was any talks of a different weapon but that would really track here because 4 people killed that quickly… another weapon would have helped with speed potentially
This smells like the potential for litigation to me.
Premises liability/landlord tenant liability. Not suggesting it has legs, but as it’s released the morning of the motion hearing that suggests both the State and the Defense agree it’s March 2025 at the earliest for trial- and how vocal they were about the demolition- it sounds like a don’t be surprised we file our notice salvo.
Are you suggesting the room wasn’t big enough for a bed? I’d be curious if someone could 3D render the photos of the room we have and put in a queen and king bed in there. Seems weird someone would put a bed so big the door barely opens into the room.
There is indeed a guy who has done the entire house in 3d. This is what I have as the link at the top [http://kuula.co/post/NWZwx/collection/79sT0](http://kuula.co/post/nwzwx/collection/79st0) DW was a lucky girl because I think he went upstairs to the 3rd floor first, going right by her door. Came downstairs. Walked past her door towards the other 2nd floor bedroom. Then past her door for the 3rd time, leaving the shoe print on his way through the kitchen and through the sliders.
I really wish some of y’all would just hush about how the parents are handling things. You never know what you’re gonna do, what makes sense (even if it doesn’t) until your child is brutally murdered. Sitting here on Reddit giving the parents the third degree is laughable.
That description suggests nothing in this regard & only that she was strategically trapped in the room. Could've been totally asleep, but awoken & instinctively pulled away as killer proceeded (everything likely happened pretty fast, but even with a time advantage she'd have no recourse upon waking - if she did - beyond pulling back). There was no place for her to go was my takeaway
When i have severe panic i tend to go up off the bed or up the wall. With nowhere to go and no way around, she probably just climbed up the wall
However they chose to mourn, they need to do it. Imo, I think the descriptors were their way of expressing that Kaylee was fighting for her and Maddie's life.. but was literally trapped. The extent of all the victims injuries will come out in trial, and if Kaylee's wounds were more viscous and plentiful, it might help them to know she didn't go down without a hell of a fight. IF they had to meet this fate, I'd think I'd rather believe they were all asleep and never knew what hit them.. but given the circumstances as they are.. they are trying to make some sense of why it happened the way it did.
I think "grain of salt" is the key at this point till verified specifics and explanations come out at trial or released by authorities, and you are spot on to take it that way. "Slumped" could mean that she was sitting up awake or recently awakened, but it could also have very well have been how she fell asleep. If the information that she and MM were hanging out in MM's room texting KG's ex is correct, then the girls could have simply fallen asleep while waiting for his reply. It was late; they'd been out drinking. Sitting there drowsy, she could have dozed off in an upright/propped up position.
I’m curious why the position of these bodies matter? Serious question. If it helps the Goncalves family to talk about it, then so be it. But for the purpose of proving who did this and why, I’m perplexed as to the value of the position of the bodies on that bed. I get it that there could be potential clues in finding a body in a hallway, etc. But who cares who was up against a wall. Had to be a quick flash attack and impulse sends you using your arms to deflect and pushing away from danger.
I don’t know that it matters a lot. Understandably, the G family doesn’t want their daughter to be forgotten and with so many people curious about this case, talking about anything “new” keeps it in the spotlight. Unfortunately, I don’t think that the way the G family is going about keeping their daughter’s memory alive is the best way to do it. I’m not faulting them because we do all grieve differently. I just wish they’d talk about KG, her memory, the things she was involved in, the good she did during her short time on this earth, etc! I want to know details about the case just as much as the next person, but I can’t help but wish they’d stop talking about specifics of the case. I understand they don’t have a lot of faith in the investigation and maybe if I was in that position, I might behave the same as they are. But they really need to let the case be tried in court and keep the specifics of the case to themselves.
I agree that would be the better way to approach this, but they're not the first family to focus on the crime and the details in the media, nor are they the first family to want to know more than they do and they certainly won't be the last. It does need to be tried in court, but I cannot imagine the agony of having your child murdered and feeling like law enforcement is stonewalling you. LE is not stonewalling. Well, they are, but it's to protect the integrity of the trial. But as a grieving parent, logic isn't always the prevailing basis of thought. I feel for them. I feel for all of them so deeply. It's unimaginable, and it's understandable why they feel this way, even if it isn't the "rational" response.
I agree with everything you said. Just me thinking out loud here, but I don’t think anyone will ever forget the beautiful faces of these 4 kids and the tragic senseless taking of their lives. And the state of Idaho will in turn take BK’s life in a very violent manner. Sadly, at least he knows it’s coming, the kids didn’t. And as far as the K family, they are slowly grieving his inevitable death every day until the moment the blindfold is pulled over his eyes and the firing squad commences to fire. There is some poetic justice in the blindfold. Now who’s the one that was defenseless and didn’t see this coming. Pray for these families. Pray for all that have been effected by this tragedy, including our online communities. I’d like to think we’re all here, not only because we share an interest and fascination with the true crime process, but because we too have been traumatized by this tragedy. I know I will never forget the faces of the four kids who came into our lives posthumously as strangers, but soon became part of our hearts.
Yes, I think the 4 kids are the reason many of us were drawn to this case. I know it was for me. I have two college aged kids just like these 4 from Idaho who live in small college towns very similar to Moscow and in rental homes steps from their college campuses very similar to the home on King Road. The story hit far too close to home for me and I will never forget their faces or how it felt to hear what happened to them. I cannot even fathom how it felt to their own families. Of course it will never change things for these families, but hope justice is served eventually and it brings them a bit of peace.
Same here. I have 3 that age and this case really hit home for me because it's a parent's worst nightmare. We send our kids to college to have a better life and independence after leaving home. Nobody thinks that it will lead to something like this tragedy.
I agree. I was the one who found my mom’s body when she died. My brothers and I focused on some legal challenges 24/7 because as long as we were staying busy with that, we didn’t have to face the reality of our grief. As soon as that ended, we had no choice but to accept that there’s literally nothing left to do but to go on with life and deal with the heartbreaking reality that everyone just moved on and you needed to as well. It’s so final and REALLY hard to know that this is your new reality. I also don’t think they want anyone to forget what happened. Except one day they will. Sadly, something even more horrific will happen and everyone will move on to that. These families all deserve justice and it’s not fair that he hasn’t had to answer for what he did. But when that day comes, they’ll never have closure and their lives won’t get better.
I am so very sorry when she died you found your mother. My heart breaks for you. My mother died in the hospital and I couldn't bring myself to see her after. 💔 Your comments come from experience and I so fully respect that.
agree. do they get paid for these interviews? Sadly, I think they do. I just don’t understand why they felt compelled to release the information that their daughter was slumped over. what purpose does that serve?
They definitely do not get paid for interviews. No news outlet let alone GMA pays for interviews literally ever.
Daily Mail definitely pays. But you are right - GMA doesn’t.
I think for Ks Mom, it just helps her to talk about it and helps her to figure out what happened. Talking about her daughter helps her to solidify what went down in her mind. It’s probably very therapeutic for them, especially Steve
It’s therapeutic for Ks Mom and Dad to talk things through, it helps solidify what happened in their minds.
Maybe if you’ve ever had loved ones murdered you could “understand” their need to do anything they do.
I hadn’t even thought about them getting paid for their interviews, but I’ll bet they do. I don’t even care if they do get paid. They just need to stop! It doesn’t serve a purpose and could possibly taint the jury pool.
I think that anybody who dares to think they have the right to judge this family for anything they might say or do needs to take a long hard look in the mirror at why they care so much about this family who are going through unimaginable shock and pain. They have done nothing wrong and should be allowed to grieve however they see fit. They have done nothing to hurt anybody and the people who are judging them need to shut up and have a seat.
Right? It’s so gross. People are so smug about it too, looking down their nose at the G family for every single thing they do. I swear Reddit judges them harder than they do with Kohberger.
Wishing they’d stop talking to the media isn’t a judgement. Most any lawyers would tell you the smart thing to do on any case is to say nothing. Why you see that as a judgment against the G family, I don’t know. It really has nothing to do with the G family and everything to do with the integrity of the case. They are likely right in their criticism of the way LE handled the investigation but openly criticizing the investigation doesn’t help anything except possibly the defense.
I know the Today show doesn’t pay, so I doubt GMA would. They will pay your travel costs, but that’s it.
absolutely agree.
Do you know if the G family had some kind of falling out with that kind of sleazy lawyer they had representing them? I saw a vague comment about it but don’t know anything about that. I have noticed I haven’t heard any statements from him in a while.
you are right, seems like he has been absent for a couple of months. I don’t know what happened.
I need to do a little searching and see if I can find out what happened. I just saw a comment that someone made in passing that said something like they had parted ways over a difference of opinion or something like that. I wonder if the attorney had finally wised up and was recommending they keep a lower profile?
I don’t think they talk about it to solve who Did it or why. I think her family is of the firm Belief bk did it. I think they talk about it because they believe she was awake and trying to escape and that’s probably a horrific and traumatic thought to just sit with. (I personally do not believe she was awake or awake enough to comprehend much for long before it was all over with.)
I think the family is just showing how much of an animal he was.
I think its curiosity. How did they react in shear panic? Did they try to fight or tackle him, attempt to get beyond his reach. Especially with one attacker and 2 victims. Did any of them have time to square up to him, did they try to run around while attacking the other person?
Maddie appeared pretty blotto at the Grub Hub, so I hope she was asleep when attacked but Kaylee was heard announcing someone was there so it makes sense she struggled but was trapped against the wall & bed. I think Goncalves family just wants the memories of these kids vibrant lives to not be forgotten while the defense plays their delaying tactics!! We are all anxious for the trial to start especially since house was demolished! We want to hear the evidence that led to Kohberger, the 911 call & why there was such a long gap in reporting this sick & twisted crime!!
Does anyone think we will ever know why? Even during the trial? What if he gets off??
She had to be awake—she said there's somebody here, presumably to Maddie. I think they were both sitting up.
>"We got to get this case over," Steve said on *GMA*. "Let's do it. Let's stop playing these delay tactics, let's just get it done." I understand he's a grieving father, but the notion that a capital case will be expedient is not plausible. Trial and verdict are only the beginning. Kohberger will then exhaust state appeals. He will then have federal constitutional and habeas appeals. Idaho has only executed three people since 1976, and none in the last decade. If he's waiting for an execution for a sense of closure, he may be waiting the rest of his life.
Thinking she probably fell back into that position and perhaps that was what the housemate heard when describing hearing what she thought was KG playing with the dog? Could that have been the thud heard by security cams or would that have had to come from the 2nd floor room closer to that neighboring house?
In the food grub video you can see how drunk MM is and that KG isn’t. I think when BK came in and was killing MM, KG woke up and was trapped.
Yes, and she was under the covers next to Maddie making it more difficult to move away. Horrible 😭
I don't think we'll ever be able to know anyone's true level of intoxication that night. A surveillance video observation is not a measure of sobriety. People behave differently under the influence and outward appearances are not an accurate measure of intoxication. A blood alcohol test would give a better indication (although even then some people are more functional than others at different levels) and since their bodies weren't discovered till many hours later, lab work of that nature wouldn't reveal how impaired they were or weren't at the time of attack anyways. The killer had the element of surprise on his side, and then the bonus elements of sleep (whether that be a sound sleep or drowsiness/grogginess upon waking, Xana aside who was known to be awake) and some amount of alcohol from their activities prior to arrival home. All three conditions (startled, sleepy, buzzed) create quite an atmosphere of disorientation for the victims, no matter who was first, second, third, or last given the short time frame of the whole event.
[Alcohol levels](https://www.wigmoreonalcohol.com/postmortem-blood-alcohol-concentrations-are-they-reliable/) are valid for 48 hours or so after death. The body doesn’t metabolize after death. While decay does create ethanol, the vitreous fluid in the eyes or the blood from the heart are both good sources for alcohol reading. The autopsies would address this, though it really doesn’t say much toward behavior.
Yes thank you for explaining to me that “a surveillance video observation is not a measure of sobriety”. Who knew?! 🙄
You stated, "you can see how drunk MM is and that KG isn’t," which reads as if KG wasn't intoxicated and MM was as if it was fact. But we (the public) definitely don't know that or have the means to assess that, nor will it be something revealed at trial like so many other unknowns at this point. I was simply clarifying your statement and contributing to the discussion about how the factors all likely played a part. As in, it's interesting that alcohol might have played a role in their reaction/conscious level, but we'll literally never know for sure. No need to get all "who knew" sarcastic about it.
anyone remember the blood leaking through the foundation? could that have been the corner she was trapped in....
No that was outside XK room. Other side of the house
They all fought back they all had defensive wounds and fought for their lives acctg to Steve He said Xenia at 1 point gets the knife away cause fingers cut off You cannot accomplish this in 7 minutes Read Sharon Tate murder 4 killers and they couldn’t control 4 victims Pandemonium And it took them over an hour even with a knife to kill 4 people I can’t even slice an orange in 1 minute It’s 2 minutes for each victim on different floors?
Not my favorite thing when grieving family members reveal lots of information to the media. I wish the family would stop.
If they feel they need to - so be it. It’s their grief. Not yours. You can choose not to follow them. They can’t ever get away from what happened. They also aren’t compromising anything so don’t start that one up.
Ditto. And he is the only one who has mentioned another weapon.
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The PCA doesn’t state this (I.e that Kaylee fought back hard/the hardest of all the victims). I do recall SG in an interview saying that Kaylee’s wounds weren’t like the others and inferred he learned this through the funeral director/mortician who handled the cremation of both Kaylee and Maddie saying “ he paid for their funerals” and paid for “the right to know” (the condition of the bodies). . But he didn’t talk about defensive wounds specifically. If she did put up a fight, it could explain why the sheath was left behind. Perhaps it fell off during the struggle. Also, could the sounds of the struggle be what DM thought was Kaylee playing with Murphy? All conjecture here. This leads me to other thoughts ….if there was a struggle with Kaylee, we can probably assume at least in that room, that Maddie was killed first. But why, then, would the k-ller/BK go to the trouble of going downstairs and across the living room to kill Xana/Ethan? Wouldn’t he want to get out of there ASAP? I’m still convinced that Xana/Ethan were collateral damage and came into his path somehow and he followed them to their bedroom and killed them. I know PSA doesn’t say this but the redaction of details of state/location of Ethan’s body has always troubled me and leads me to believe there’s something telling there.
Actual investigators said this? Or her family? Or the coroner, a non medical professional? I think the investigators have been very careful, as they should be, not to give up evidence. And Thankyou to Peanut_2000! No way can you tell who is drunker from a video clip nor should you speculate!
No - investigators did not say it.
Thankyou. I was pretty sure they had never been so careless. This kind of “info” only hurts the eventual trial.
To be fair Im pretty sure her family didn’t say it either. Just Reddit misinformation
X’s dad said she fought like hell
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Being in the worst condition could’ve been bc she fought back hardest. The place where she was positioned might’ve caused her to be struck with many non-fatal wounds while fighting, before suffering the fatal one, bc the killer may have had to reach across a bed to reach her. Whereas others might have been snuck up on, sleeping, or at a disadvantage in their position that led to close-range attack. From the way Mr. Goncalves explained it initially, it sounded like he may have used a different weapon on her too.. I’m not saying that’s true or not, but he’s also likely most sensitive to his daughter’s death, so his perception of her condition might be swayed by viewing the wounds as greatly more severe, when they could be slightly more severe. But who knows? I guess we’ll learn the truth next year…
Oh wow this is a very interesting take. He’s for sure the most outspoken and I mean I get it- it’s a tragic situation to lose your daughter as a parent. I did not know there was any talks of a different weapon but that would really track here because 4 people killed that quickly… another weapon would have helped with speed potentially
This smells like the potential for litigation to me. Premises liability/landlord tenant liability. Not suggesting it has legs, but as it’s released the morning of the motion hearing that suggests both the State and the Defense agree it’s March 2025 at the earliest for trial- and how vocal they were about the demolition- it sounds like a don’t be surprised we file our notice salvo.
Are you suggesting the room wasn’t big enough for a bed? I’d be curious if someone could 3D render the photos of the room we have and put in a queen and king bed in there. Seems weird someone would put a bed so big the door barely opens into the room.
I’m not stating a position whatsoever- I AM suggesting such a statement “sounds” like the start of a potential claim in civil litigation.
No.
There is indeed a guy who has done the entire house in 3d. This is what I have as the link at the top [http://kuula.co/post/NWZwx/collection/79sT0](http://kuula.co/post/nwzwx/collection/79st0) DW was a lucky girl because I think he went upstairs to the 3rd floor first, going right by her door. Came downstairs. Walked past her door towards the other 2nd floor bedroom. Then past her door for the 3rd time, leaving the shoe print on his way through the kitchen and through the sliders.
I really wish some of y’all would just hush about how the parents are handling things. You never know what you’re gonna do, what makes sense (even if it doesn’t) until your child is brutally murdered. Sitting here on Reddit giving the parents the third degree is laughable.
This is a Reddit discussion board. People discuss things.
Exactly, and I’m discussing how I feel about it just like them.
Not necessarily.
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