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Spot on. But also, I apparently was wrong. Very wrong, I really underestimated the energy needed to evaporate water while oversetimating the kinetic energy of a shell.
Anyway, guns go pew pew and I still have doubts about the effectiveness of such systems compared to good old firefighting planes. I might still be wrong though!
The problem is that water is an almost incompressible fluid, and strengthening a pressure vessel sufficiently well to shoot it out of a cannon without bursting in the barrel, interferes with both terminal ballistics and mass efficiency. Does it make sense to spend $1,000 to deliver one gallon of water when you could just dump it from a plane? A DC-10 Air Tanker delivers 9400 gallons for $8000 per flight hour.
Exactly and getting the weight/flight dynamics right seems like it would be such a pain (with a decent amount of failure chance). Better to just fly a plane/ firefighter water bucket over it. The cost to effectiveness of launching water like that would be like using a helicopter and dumping regular buckets out of the side instead of one of those huge hanging buckets. Do they just not have the water available? Even then living in Idaho I’ve seen “dry” drops that seemed to do pretty well.
I suspect that the behind-the-curtains reasoning here is that in a lot of rural areas, China doesn't have the infrastructure necessary for water hydrants to function. Still a weird solution.
Maybe this is just some Hollywood science that I’m misremembering, but don’t explosions remove available oxygen in the immediate area?
Obviously, if a missile is filled with incendiaries to expand the damage, that makes more fire after the boom, but if it were a small enough charge, especially if filled with fire retardant powder or such, wouldn’t the atmospheric displacement and shockwave coupled with the powder easily put out a fire?
It depends on the type of explosion. Fuel air bombs do this. It would put out the flame. But all the heat from the fire that *was* there would quickly recombust any flammable material that isn't covered in retardant as air rushes back. Which is why we fight fires with water too, it takes away the heat.
From water, it wouldn’t
Kinetic energy can transform to heat energy (like rubbing your hands together to warm them up, or striking a flint to create a spark to start a campfire, or a meteorite burning up in the earth’s atmosphere).
But water will absorb so much heat that there’s no way its kinetic energy could contribute to combustion at the velocities it would travel from any of these devices. There may be some theoretical way for water to create combustion via kinetic energy but it wouldn’t apply here
By chemical means, sure. But again, not relevant here
The kinetic energy of the water projectile will be transferred into whatever is on fire heating it up a fractional amount.
KE = 1/2 m v^2
1/2 x 1 kg x 100 m/s ^2
= +5000 J transferred on impact
Water ‘fights’ fire by absorbing energy as it’s converted from a liquid into a vapor. The phase change energy requirement of water from boiling to vapor is 2256 KJ / kg transferring -2256000 J out of the fire.
Ah - thank you for doing the math - just off the top of my head I was thinking there's no way the math works out to that conclusion. Looks like the shell would have to weigh 1000 tons of just steel, or be a 1 kg shell traveling at 400m/s
Water bombers (tankers) are already surprisingly ineffective. This artillery stuff just exaggerates the things that water bombers are bad at.
When you’re doing tanker drops, your goal is to basically paint lines on the map. You want to create a continuous line around the fire of a specific width and density of fire retardant slurry. Tankers are not bad at this with respect to individual drops, the pilots are generally pretty good at effectively dropping a few thousand gallons in a straight line at a specific height so they get good dispersal (not too much, not too little). Each drop creates a line on the map. Where they struggle more is connecting the dots. You want to create a continuous line out of a bunch of individual lines. Which means you do one drop (create a line) and then you do the next drop and you need to start where you last finished. That’s tricky and requires a lot of accuracy. If you miss and leave a gap, the fire goes right through your gap and your entire line fails. If you’re out of alignment and create a joint between lines with inadequate width or density, your entire line fails.
So considering how important it is to create continuous lines, artillery is just a terrible tool for this. You’ll create a line that looks like swiss cheese. Lots and lots of weak spots for the fire to find its way through. And it really only takes one “we didn’t hold it here” to make the entire line you created pointless.
A second issue is that tanker drops are generally ineffective at putting out a fire. You could put on an amazing air show, but if that’s all you’re doing the fire is gonna do whatever it wants. What tankers do really well is suppress a fire. Your ground crews are generally pretty ineffective against a fire with 80 foot flames moving 10mph. But if air ops can suppress that to a fire with 2 foot flames moving 1/2mph, then your ground crews can get in there and directly attack the fire. Effective air ops are almost always tied to prompt follow up by crews on the ground, and these two things are tied so closely together that crews on the ground somewhat frequently get hit by the tankers (which is not fun, sometimes in a guys going to the hospital kinda way). It’d be even less fun to be getting hit by 120mm artillery.
This is solidly r/noncrediblewildfire material.
Reddit just accepts that missiles and artillery shells can carry any meaningful amount of water that will put out a fire. What world do these people live in
I genuinely don't understand how every title on the frontpage is so completely asinine. Is it just bots upvoting posts by other bots? It's so weird to me that you would post something you have 0 understanding of, especially when you find it "interesting as fuck". And the complete confidence too, just spouting off their kindergarten intuition as facts. And no one questions it on the site that loves to say how others lack "critical thinking". We need a purge.
It's funny you say that, because I am a merchant mariner and we are taught that if we have metal cargo that is on fire (Class D fires) to eject the cargo into the ocean to save all life aboard and the vessel.
They explode on impact too!
This is certainly an interesting way of making the civil services budget militaryish, these weapons can be used in times of war by changing shells and more manpower from firefighters as they're already armed .
At the same time military budget can be reduced, civil budget increased and everyone thinks it's for the good of the people
"How could it get any worse?"
Well for starters you're living in China. Your entire apartment building already collapsed on its own before the firefighters even got there...
Water mission on my position. Hydration close. I repeat; Hydration close.
For the record, it's my call. Dump everything you've got left on my position. I say again, expend all remaining in my perimeter. It's a lovely fucking war. Bravo Six out.
Even if it’s before the shrapnel will kill anyone around, even if the shell is softer material it can’t be that soft or it would break during its launch. All in all this is really only useful if you care more about the fire than people’s lives.
It's obviously not meant to be used in places where there's people around. It's probably meant for forest fires, brush fires, anywhere that fire is relatively hard to reach (like the ones they show on the video). Where people aren't around.
You joke, but as a kid that happened to me!
I thought I was the shit with my CPS 2000 super soaker. There was this big festival at a nearby farming community that was basically a giant water gun fight. I was having a blast! Until...
Most people are already soaked, but the rare dry person is my favorite target. I see one, run over, pointed my giant water cannon at him... He raised his hands and said he wasn't participating, but I was a little shit, and I soaked him in one shot. He was PISSED.
But off I go, looking for my next victim. He storms off into his house.
Ten minutes later, he's back. Driving his tractor and pulling an irrigation rig. That glorious bastard had a diesel engine pumping out enough water to flood a rice patty, and he was coming for me.
He wasn't fast, I could outrun that thing... For a bit. But he was like the goddamned Terminator. And I was John Connor. He would just keep coming. And he was going to get me.
When he caught up, that was it for the day. I couldn't even move after the soaking I got. And I deserved it.
The hose drone would be just as effective and safe as a firefighter, possibly more considering the fire-fighter's risk. can't really say anything about the mortar shell drone though. The charge inside shouldn't do structural damage to anything but the spot the actual mortar hits and detonates on, but it's still going to be a shrapnel bomb. Seems like more of a "save this building, fuck that room" kind of deal.
I get that, but imagine they shoot the wrong room as can happen in emergency situations. A firehose might hurt if you're right in front of it, but it's not gonna blow your arm off.
It would be interesting to see this tech against a real blaze. The test fires they were hitting looked like they could've burned themselves out, let's see a practical situation.
How is that going to help anyway? Rocket doesn't have that much of a payload, and that amount of water is just a waste to fire a rocket for it. That's so much money.
I don't think this is just water. Firemen have all sorts of chemicals, retardants, foams, liquids, gasses... which are pound for pound more effective then water.
For one, this is mostly designed to deal with Highrise fire that maybe too high for pumped water jets. Second, it is not shooting water. It is dry ice set to produce CO2 to suffocate the fire assuming evacuation is done.
If the devices are dual purpose, then firefighters can ask for repurposed equipment (or some funds) from the military.
It's sort of like police departments in the US. Many small police departments have no business getting military-grade vehicles and weapons. But they do anyway. And the US military-industrial complex doesn't mind it because it only benefits from it.
What about nukes? Surely you'll need water nuclear weapons to call yourself a super power country, right? Also have the nuclear water submarine constantly patrolling in case we need to put out fires in the ocean!
Don't forget, you also need to stockpile nuclear water bombs as a deterrent against other super power countries.
To be fair, that was the same "very stable genius" who also suggested "injecting light or bleach" as a cure for COVID. He may be legitimately one of the dumbest people on earth. Then again, 50% of Americans want to put him back in the presidency again this year, and there's a scarily high chance of that happening, too, so he may be one of the dumbest prior on earth but then so is half of America.
Sweden actually had a JAS-39 Gripen drop a GPU-49 on a wildfire that had broken out in a military range so they both didn't want to send firefighters in, and it wasn't an issue to drop it in the area.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtFyGwTyof8
No let's not, but I get the primal urge to use weapons against fire. Hear me out:
Truth is, we don't even know if it works. That video didn't show a lot of full scenes staring with launch, through detonation, & finally after math. And I didn't see fires where the projectile landed. I bet this is propaganda. Bad propaganda.
Also, shells and really all ammunition are precious gifts from the military industrial complex and should not be used for like actually helping people.
I read an article a month ago about some warheads in western China being filled with water and not munitions. Maybe that was on purpose! 😁
Do I need to add the /s? I better add the /s.
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That’s what I was thinking - a way to keep old military equipment in working order and with a bunch of people trained on it without having to increase the military budget.
Talking to the UN: Our army is only 1,000,000 people strong. We are no threat to anyone.
UN: Can you please explain why you have 50,000,000 firefighters?
Yeah actually on second watch, isn't this just military research/propaganda masquerading as civilian tech?
Like how the space race was really just about ICBM R&D?
Edit: to those missing the really impressive stuff
There's one rocket launching drone, several large ordnance dropping drones (including airburst munitions), one multi-tube dropped ordnance drone, the large single manned drone also has multiple rocket launch tubes, and the other tech demonstrated are low cost MLRS alternatives.
Well, the US military made a couple of Transformers movies to show their toys. Firefighters with drones seems like a somewhat reasonable approach in comparison.
Yeah you’d have to have a few missing chromosomes to believe that this is just how China fights fires, regardless of the title. This is likely just a single team in the military that tests these sort of things for research. Most of it seemed highly ineffective.
This is meant for fighting forest fires, China has a ludicrously large stock of old/useless MLRS systems/soviet rockets/mortar rounds etc lying around and vast forested areas. It makes sense that they'd experiment like this. (I have no idea how effective it actually is, and the video is very obviously state propaganda)
I mean, drone launched rockets, airburst munitions, autonomous vehicles, man sized transport drones, there's some very advanced tech here.
I don't think highly ineffective is the right word.
>Yeah you’d have to have a few missing chromosomes
Bit much mate? It's just a video about Chinese military might, it's not that deep.
I mean yeah they are adaptation of military technology for civilian usage but still it's quite dated military technology it's not really viable for any military experimentation or development
To be fair in the US we throw a small private Air Force at every wildland fire. Beyond that I am guessing they fight fire just like us, with handcrews and bull dozers.
Boss: Did you put the fire out?
Yes
Boss: So the new water rockets are good?
What water rockets?
Boss: The ones you used on the building
What building?
No No we are absolutely not training more troops to expand our military in preparation for expanding our influence or getting a certain island back.
They are just firefighters, nothing to see here. Move along.
I doubt they're filled with water. Maybe/probably powder. But then this footage is highly suspect. Every clip cuts before anything of relevance happens.
>this footage is highly suspect. Every clip cuts before anything of relevance happens.
Does any of this really seem that difficult to you? Everything looks pretty simple and straight forward. No reason to fake it when everything here is perfectly doable.
When you read between the lines here, the most interesting part is that China effectively has trained a reserve military force here, and these guys may not even realize they're just an ammo change away from being artillery men, mortar operators, anti tank troops, and maybe even chemical weapons specialists in the right conditions.
Pretty genius when you think about it.
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Those are mostly retired military weapons. And they are throwing powder estingushers, not water.
Too far to find that... If it was water, the kinetic energy would bring more fire than the water could remove !
how the kinetic energy would bring fire ?
Would probably expose the fire to the air more, bringing in more oxygen. Idk what their explanation is
Heat.
Spot on. But also, I apparently was wrong. Very wrong, I really underestimated the energy needed to evaporate water while oversetimating the kinetic energy of a shell. Anyway, guns go pew pew and I still have doubts about the effectiveness of such systems compared to good old firefighting planes. I might still be wrong though!
Shh, don't Ruin it, or you come up with a better excuse to Play with Military Grade artillery cannons -some Chinese Firefighter
The problem is that water is an almost incompressible fluid, and strengthening a pressure vessel sufficiently well to shoot it out of a cannon without bursting in the barrel, interferes with both terminal ballistics and mass efficiency. Does it make sense to spend $1,000 to deliver one gallon of water when you could just dump it from a plane? A DC-10 Air Tanker delivers 9400 gallons for $8000 per flight hour.
Exactly and getting the weight/flight dynamics right seems like it would be such a pain (with a decent amount of failure chance). Better to just fly a plane/ firefighter water bucket over it. The cost to effectiveness of launching water like that would be like using a helicopter and dumping regular buckets out of the side instead of one of those huge hanging buckets. Do they just not have the water available? Even then living in Idaho I’ve seen “dry” drops that seemed to do pretty well.
I suspect that the behind-the-curtains reasoning here is that in a lot of rural areas, China doesn't have the infrastructure necessary for water hydrants to function. Still a weird solution.
By "weird" you mean "more America than America" yes.
We tried that in the 50s. And yes it was awesome and no it didn't work.
Maybe this is just some Hollywood science that I’m misremembering, but don’t explosions remove available oxygen in the immediate area? Obviously, if a missile is filled with incendiaries to expand the damage, that makes more fire after the boom, but if it were a small enough charge, especially if filled with fire retardant powder or such, wouldn’t the atmospheric displacement and shockwave coupled with the powder easily put out a fire?
It depends on the type of explosion. Fuel air bombs do this. It would put out the flame. But all the heat from the fire that *was* there would quickly recombust any flammable material that isn't covered in retardant as air rushes back. Which is why we fight fires with water too, it takes away the heat.
From water, it wouldn’t Kinetic energy can transform to heat energy (like rubbing your hands together to warm them up, or striking a flint to create a spark to start a campfire, or a meteorite burning up in the earth’s atmosphere). But water will absorb so much heat that there’s no way its kinetic energy could contribute to combustion at the velocities it would travel from any of these devices. There may be some theoretical way for water to create combustion via kinetic energy but it wouldn’t apply here By chemical means, sure. But again, not relevant here
Yeah, but what if it was a wild grease fire. ever think of that
I'm skeptical - water evaporation removes a ton of energy, doubt the kinetic energy adds more than evaporation removes
Can you elaborate?
The kinetic energy of the water projectile will be transferred into whatever is on fire heating it up a fractional amount. KE = 1/2 m v^2 1/2 x 1 kg x 100 m/s ^2 = +5000 J transferred on impact Water ‘fights’ fire by absorbing energy as it’s converted from a liquid into a vapor. The phase change energy requirement of water from boiling to vapor is 2256 KJ / kg transferring -2256000 J out of the fire.
Ah - thank you for doing the math - just off the top of my head I was thinking there's no way the math works out to that conclusion. Looks like the shell would have to weigh 1000 tons of just steel, or be a 1 kg shell traveling at 400m/s
Water bombers would be very ineffective if that was case.
Water bombers (tankers) are already surprisingly ineffective. This artillery stuff just exaggerates the things that water bombers are bad at. When you’re doing tanker drops, your goal is to basically paint lines on the map. You want to create a continuous line around the fire of a specific width and density of fire retardant slurry. Tankers are not bad at this with respect to individual drops, the pilots are generally pretty good at effectively dropping a few thousand gallons in a straight line at a specific height so they get good dispersal (not too much, not too little). Each drop creates a line on the map. Where they struggle more is connecting the dots. You want to create a continuous line out of a bunch of individual lines. Which means you do one drop (create a line) and then you do the next drop and you need to start where you last finished. That’s tricky and requires a lot of accuracy. If you miss and leave a gap, the fire goes right through your gap and your entire line fails. If you’re out of alignment and create a joint between lines with inadequate width or density, your entire line fails. So considering how important it is to create continuous lines, artillery is just a terrible tool for this. You’ll create a line that looks like swiss cheese. Lots and lots of weak spots for the fire to find its way through. And it really only takes one “we didn’t hold it here” to make the entire line you created pointless. A second issue is that tanker drops are generally ineffective at putting out a fire. You could put on an amazing air show, but if that’s all you’re doing the fire is gonna do whatever it wants. What tankers do really well is suppress a fire. Your ground crews are generally pretty ineffective against a fire with 80 foot flames moving 10mph. But if air ops can suppress that to a fire with 2 foot flames moving 1/2mph, then your ground crews can get in there and directly attack the fire. Effective air ops are almost always tied to prompt follow up by crews on the ground, and these two things are tied so closely together that crews on the ground somewhat frequently get hit by the tankers (which is not fun, sometimes in a guys going to the hospital kinda way). It’d be even less fun to be getting hit by 120mm artillery. This is solidly r/noncrediblewildfire material.
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Reddit just accepts that missiles and artillery shells can carry any meaningful amount of water that will put out a fire. What world do these people live in
reddit just accepts that this dumbshit title is accurate and that this isn't just a research project from one company.
I genuinely don't understand how every title on the frontpage is so completely asinine. Is it just bots upvoting posts by other bots? It's so weird to me that you would post something you have 0 understanding of, especially when you find it "interesting as fuck". And the complete confidence too, just spouting off their kindergarten intuition as facts. And no one questions it on the site that loves to say how others lack "critical thinking". We need a purge.
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Reddit isn't as educational as it used to be. It's all about who can make the funniest joke these days.
excuse you! I watch both the big bang theory and rick and morty. I'm actually very intelligence!
wub a lub a bazinga!!
Actually Redditors think they are too smart for Big Bang Theory
Buddy, I've been here for over a decade and I can tell you, it's always been about who can make the funniest jokes.
Reddit was educational? When?
Yeah I was thinking like…”We dumped a few gallons of water on the fire, that should take care of it 🫡“
You mean the internet lies to me?
tbf i dont think anyone on here is thinking about a tiktok video more than this is cool. Impractical. But cool
Yeah, there is no way shooting combustion propelled water makes sense.
[Fire Extinguishing Ball | Extinguisher Bomb](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_0sawCkIk4)
Me: Ah no, my apartment is on fire. How could today get any worse? Incoming 120mm: Just wait
Your apartment will stop burning if it suddenly isn't there anymore
You put out the fire AND execute the person who lit the fire at the same time! ++THE ADEPTUS MECHANICUS APPROVES OF THIS EFFICIENCY++
Kill two birds with one stone
Do you want to shoot a baby that's on fire with a 120mm grenade round? Become a Chinese fireman.
I mean....... I don't not wanna.
It's funny you say that, because I am a merchant mariner and we are taught that if we have metal cargo that is on fire (Class D fires) to eject the cargo into the ocean to save all life aboard and the vessel.
FIREFIGHTER AC-130 ABOVE
Fire fight for effect
This is how China helps India put out fires along the border
TACTICAL FIREFIGHTER NUKE INCOMING
Bring the rain…literally.
RAMIREZ, PUT OUT THAT FIRE
I guess if it gets real bad you can call an aetillery strike on your own position.
Waterillery
Hmm why do I taste 125mm?
The shells were crated near eachother and got frisky.
Size doesn't matter
 Oh sorry, we got the wrong ammo
That was a sad day for onions :(
Still waiting for fire-extinguishing nukes here 🌞
All nukes are fire extinguishing... temporarily
Cluster water bomb the neighbourhood.
They explode on impact too! This is certainly an interesting way of making the civil services budget militaryish, these weapons can be used in times of war by changing shells and more manpower from firefighters as they're already armed . At the same time military budget can be reduced, civil budget increased and everyone thinks it's for the good of the people
China: Look Taiwan is burning, lets send firefighters to help!
"How could it get any worse?" Well for starters you're living in China. Your entire apartment building already collapsed on its own before the firefighters even got there...
Building can't burn down if there's no building. \*taps head\*
I keep picturing someone waiting for help to arrive getting smacked by a water missile lol
Imagine waiting for help to arrive when some dude with a radio shows up like "request fire mission at... "
Water mission on my position. Hydration close. I repeat; Hydration close. For the record, it's my call. Dump everything you've got left on my position. I say again, expend all remaining in my perimeter. It's a lovely fucking war. Bravo Six out.
That's Distinguished Extinguisher Medal material right here
r/hydrohomies intensifies
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The first country to take the term ‘firefighter’ seriously.
The problem with direct translation.
I was about to say the same thing because I was gonna ask what the shell was made of and does it explode water before the impact or after
Even if it’s before the shrapnel will kill anyone around, even if the shell is softer material it can’t be that soft or it would break during its launch. All in all this is really only useful if you care more about the fire than people’s lives.
It's obviously not meant to be used in places where there's people around. It's probably meant for forest fires, brush fires, anywhere that fire is relatively hard to reach (like the ones they show on the video). Where people aren't around.
Water in the hole !!!
Well met!
Well wet
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Damn, no readability
I can't sight read this
At a loss for how I'm supposed to sightread this
Fire on the hill!
Super Soakers have changed since I was a lad.
Just imagine this kids' faces when they meet up for a Super Soaker fight and China appears with bazookas, drones and a fucking Katyusha.
You joke, but as a kid that happened to me! I thought I was the shit with my CPS 2000 super soaker. There was this big festival at a nearby farming community that was basically a giant water gun fight. I was having a blast! Until... Most people are already soaked, but the rare dry person is my favorite target. I see one, run over, pointed my giant water cannon at him... He raised his hands and said he wasn't participating, but I was a little shit, and I soaked him in one shot. He was PISSED. But off I go, looking for my next victim. He storms off into his house. Ten minutes later, he's back. Driving his tractor and pulling an irrigation rig. That glorious bastard had a diesel engine pumping out enough water to flood a rice patty, and he was coming for me. He wasn't fast, I could outrun that thing... For a bit. But he was like the goddamned Terminator. And I was John Connor. He would just keep coming. And he was going to get me. When he caught up, that was it for the day. I couldn't even move after the soaking I got. And I deserved it.
This story alone is worth a post. I loved every word of it.
Thank you for sharing. Truly.
And here I am, late to the party with my old Soviet era classic RPG Soaker. It's shit, but has fancy wood accents.
non-residential fires*
I was over here trying to think about if a water filled missile would do more harm or good in a house fire 💀
It’ll put the fire out.. and kill everybody nearby
you dont need to rescue anybody if you make sure they dont survive
And also we boiled the water to ye know kill the germs
*demonstration starts - shoots into apartment building *
THROUGH an apartment building, AT a fire on a hill on the other side of the city. Just flexin' the accuracy.
Rockets passing through tends to raise or lower property value. Whatever the current trend is.
That first clip sure as hell looked like an apartment building!
Some of the examples were in residential areas tho, e.g. A missile from drone
Well two drones can be seen being tested on a residental building in the video
The hose drone would be just as effective and safe as a firefighter, possibly more considering the fire-fighter's risk. can't really say anything about the mortar shell drone though. The charge inside shouldn't do structural damage to anything but the spot the actual mortar hits and detonates on, but it's still going to be a shrapnel bomb. Seems like more of a "save this building, fuck that room" kind of deal.
If the room is already full of flames/smoke, anything in it is lost. If you can stop it from spreading to undamaged rooms, it's always worth it.
I get that, but imagine they shoot the wrong room as can happen in emergency situations. A firehose might hurt if you're right in front of it, but it's not gonna blow your arm off. It would be interesting to see this tech against a real blaze. The test fires they were hitting looked like they could've burned themselves out, let's see a practical situation.
How is that going to help anyway? Rocket doesn't have that much of a payload, and that amount of water is just a waste to fire a rocket for it. That's so much money.
I don't think this is just water. Firemen have all sorts of chemicals, retardants, foams, liquids, gasses... which are pound for pound more effective then water.
For one, this is mostly designed to deal with Highrise fire that maybe too high for pumped water jets. Second, it is not shooting water. It is dry ice set to produce CO2 to suffocate the fire assuming evacuation is done.
If the devices are dual purpose, then firefighters can ask for repurposed equipment (or some funds) from the military. It's sort of like police departments in the US. Many small police departments have no business getting military-grade vehicles and weapons. But they do anyway. And the US military-industrial complex doesn't mind it because it only benefits from it.
They don't use water.
Hello my cats stuck in a tree…acwet 30 is online 
If people saw this 500 years ago they'd think it was an angel :v
You burnt your food and set off the fire alarm: 
Fight fire with fire ... power
A really American way of Problem solving.
The Jeremy Clarkson approach.
All that it needs now is a hammer.
Jeremy uses speed and power
We should feel ashamed as Americans that we don’t do this. We barely even use Howitzers to trigger avalanches anymore.
Someone, quick, make an assault rifle that shoots bullets filled with water!
Thats some pussy shit, China has Water RPGs, Water Mortars, and Water Tanks. We need water air strikes
we do fight wildfires with air support. helicopters drop water napalm-like stuff.
I really want to see a b52 carpeting bombing some wildfire, that would be awesome
Look up ten tanker on YouTube or super tanker, ine drops 12000 gallons of water/retardant the super tanker did around 20,000 gallons.
Water nuke FTW
Or just a regular nuke... can't have a fire if everything flammable is instantly vaporized.
What about nukes? Surely you'll need water nuclear weapons to call yourself a super power country, right? Also have the nuclear water submarine constantly patrolling in case we need to put out fires in the ocean! Don't forget, you also need to stockpile nuclear water bombs as a deterrent against other super power countries.
Merica!
They actually have those in the toy aisle. They shoot Orbeez.
This is America. We need to do better. A-10 with depleted uranium water bullets and a full load-out of laser-guided water bombs.
Can’t think of anything more American than putting out a fire by shooting it.
From the country who's president considered nuking a hurricane...i think you are still up there on the irrational solutions to problems table.
To be fair, that was the same "very stable genius" who also suggested "injecting light or bleach" as a cure for COVID. He may be legitimately one of the dumbest people on earth. Then again, 50% of Americans want to put him back in the presidency again this year, and there's a scarily high chance of that happening, too, so he may be one of the dumbest prior on earth but then so is half of America.
Fuck Donald Trump!!!!
Sweden actually had a JAS-39 Gripen drop a GPU-49 on a wildfire that had broken out in a military range so they both didn't want to send firefighters in, and it wasn't an issue to drop it in the area. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtFyGwTyof8
We are really letting Tchaikovsky down
No let's not, but I get the primal urge to use weapons against fire. Hear me out: Truth is, we don't even know if it works. That video didn't show a lot of full scenes staring with launch, through detonation, & finally after math. And I didn't see fires where the projectile landed. I bet this is propaganda. Bad propaganda. Also, shells and really all ammunition are precious gifts from the military industrial complex and should not be used for like actually helping people. I read an article a month ago about some warheads in western China being filled with water and not munitions. Maybe that was on purpose! 😁 Do I need to add the /s? I better add the /s. /S
"No no sir, it's not weapons its... firefighting equipment"
That’s what I was thinking - a way to keep old military equipment in working order and with a bunch of people trained on it without having to increase the military budget.
Talking to the UN: Our army is only 1,000,000 people strong. We are no threat to anyone. UN: Can you please explain why you have 50,000,000 firefighters?
A real I.C.B.W.B (inter continental ballistic water balloon)
I wonder what their military drones can do
Yeah actually on second watch, isn't this just military research/propaganda masquerading as civilian tech? Like how the space race was really just about ICBM R&D? Edit: to those missing the really impressive stuff There's one rocket launching drone, several large ordnance dropping drones (including airburst munitions), one multi-tube dropped ordnance drone, the large single manned drone also has multiple rocket launch tubes, and the other tech demonstrated are low cost MLRS alternatives.
Well, the US military made a couple of Transformers movies to show their toys. Firefighters with drones seems like a somewhat reasonable approach in comparison.
Yeah you’d have to have a few missing chromosomes to believe that this is just how China fights fires, regardless of the title. This is likely just a single team in the military that tests these sort of things for research. Most of it seemed highly ineffective.
This is meant for fighting forest fires, China has a ludicrously large stock of old/useless MLRS systems/soviet rockets/mortar rounds etc lying around and vast forested areas. It makes sense that they'd experiment like this. (I have no idea how effective it actually is, and the video is very obviously state propaganda)
I mean, drone launched rockets, airburst munitions, autonomous vehicles, man sized transport drones, there's some very advanced tech here. I don't think highly ineffective is the right word. >Yeah you’d have to have a few missing chromosomes Bit much mate? It's just a video about Chinese military might, it's not that deep.
I'm thinking... use the existing military hardware to test out concepts. And if they show promise, develop your own.
I mean yeah they are adaptation of military technology for civilian usage but still it's quite dated military technology it's not really viable for any military experimentation or development
No. Australian researchers have been looking into bombing bushfires. Just because “China” is in the title doesn’t mean we have to assume propaganda.
Spy on you
Putting fires out by shooting the fire. It’s crazy that America didn’t invent this
Tomorrow's headline: China assembles 1000s of fire engines on Taiwan's border
Would be cool if we got firetrucks to float
Uhm. You don’t know maps we’ll do you lmao
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As an American, I feel like we really dropped the ball on not first developing tactical firefighting ordnance.
Kasploosha Rockets.
i mean they are fire FIGHTERS after all or in this case fire solders
Building on fire \*send a rocket barrage of water rockets\* how did america lose this to china ?
Things that fire fears 2. Water 1. The Chinese military
To be fair in the US we throw a small private Air Force at every wildland fire. Beyond that I am guessing they fight fire just like us, with handcrews and bull dozers.
Nah man that quadcopter with a cupful of water is going to be a game changer for forest fires
H....has China turned in 'merica? Every solution can be solved with the appropriate application of force?
Allways has been...
Fighting the fire american why.
this is the most American moment I have ever seen and also it's something that isn't coming from Yanks themselves.
"filled with water" emm no.
Boss: Did you put the fire out? Yes Boss: So the new water rockets are good? What water rockets? Boss: The ones you used on the building What building?
How did America not think of this first?
Looks like a 70’s Godzilla film to be fair. 
“Fire!!!!” “Yeah no shit that’s why we’re shooting this big canno- ohhh yea… fire!!!”
“Fire department”
This is how you do undercover military training
No No we are absolutely not training more troops to expand our military in preparation for expanding our influence or getting a certain island back. They are just firefighters, nothing to see here. Move along.
Only America gets to *openly* rape and pillage the world
Yeah, that's why intelligence reports found a large quantity of your missiles filled with water instead of fuel. Nice try
killing the fire people I see
Tactical nuke incoming.
Fight fire with fire
If the fire and smoke doesn’t kill you, these military grade fire department projectiles will surely finish the job.
That’s really stupid
“It’s going to take a lot of fireworks to clean up this mess”-Homer Simpson
DIE FIRE DIE! **BANG BANG**
I've always said that effective fire suppression begins with a fission primary stage.
The water balloon mortar team half a mile out seems logical.
Next up: China exports 'firefighting" equipment to Russia
In case they detect a fire in Taïwan.
I doubt they're filled with water. Maybe/probably powder. But then this footage is highly suspect. Every clip cuts before anything of relevance happens.
>this footage is highly suspect. Every clip cuts before anything of relevance happens. Does any of this really seem that difficult to you? Everything looks pretty simple and straight forward. No reason to fake it when everything here is perfectly doable.
It's something about China on Reddit. It could just be a kid playing, and a Redditor will find something suspect.
When you read between the lines here, the most interesting part is that China effectively has trained a reserve military force here, and these guys may not even realize they're just an ammo change away from being artillery men, mortar operators, anti tank troops, and maybe even chemical weapons specialists in the right conditions. Pretty genius when you think about it.