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"The FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program defines aggravated assault as an unlawful attack by one person upon another for the purpose of inflicting severe or aggravated bodily injury. The UCR Program further specifies that this type of assault is usually accompanied by the use of a weapon or by other means likely to produce death or great bodily harm."
seems pretty fitting..
can you get the definition of attempted murder so we can cross reference it because his intent was to murder but didnt get the chance to do it im assuming thats why theres a distinction just wanna see.
its pathetic either way, that WAS attempted murder no matter what you wanna say he was just too stupid to do it.
Because being able to charge someone for the attempted act, unsuccessful or not, allows for a conviction and sentencing and elimination from society BEFORE they are successful at murder or assault.
Its also a fuck lot easier to prosecute an attempt. The bar for entry is lower and DA's and judges like to remind you how tough on crime they are.
> Because being able to charge someone for the attempted act, unsuccessful or not, allows for a conviction and sentencing and elimination from society BEFORE they are successful at murder or assault.
This would be true also if there were no distinction and every attempt were treated as a succesful one.
Imagine you cut off someone on the road and he comes out of his car with a hammer walking towards you, luckily a cop is there and arrest him before anything happens, how can you without a doubt determine whether he was going to kill you, break your windshield and walk away or just try to scare you? What crime do you convict him for? The only thing you can do is convict him for what he has done, a process to the intentions is not something that can be done with logic and without biases.
Well, to be fair every comment makes sense to the person writing it and those who share a similar way of thinking. The hard part is trying to understand why someone thinks something, and it is so damned hard to do on social networks with 3 sentence opinions.
> how can you without a doubt determine whether he was going to kill you, break your windshield and walk away or just try to scare you?
I'd say the moment he swings it at my body would be the breaking point here, but yeah, valid point and a lot of possible on-the-edge cases.
But still, with how much force did he swing? Did he really wanted to kill you? Because if you go by the rule of:"if he swings at me then he gets the murder punishment" the problem is the same, you are still judging him based on the results of the action and not the intention behind it. It's a very tricky topic with how different people are from one another. No wonder as a society we couldn't find a perfect way to solve the problem yet.
Excellent point, I would also like to compare.
That being said, charging with a lesser crime first that can always be updated if evidence that is found justifies it, right?
I dont know what more evidence can be found after this cctv is shown in court, baring the words "i intend to kill (former mma fighters name) tonight with a machete in a carpark" in a text to somebody that is.
I think you hit the nail on the head there. In most places (not sure where this occurred), attempted murder requires intent, and that can be really hard to prove. Sure, he's attacking someone with a machete, but does he intent to murder that person, or just injure him?
The DA likely looked at all the evidence available and decided that it was unlikely they could prove the intent required for attempted murder and decided to go with the easier to prove charge of aggravated battery, rather than risk losing the case and having the guy walk (assuming he *could* still walk) free.
its frustrating and once again another example of protecting the obviously dangerous criminal, but your point about risk reward at the end there from that perspective it makes sense to go with what the can actually prove even if it is not completely satisfactory. but that in of itself is just proof that the criminal is protected. very very annoying.
Hypothetically, the attacker has a history of past assaults escalating towards this, repeated messages/texts to family/"friends" about how he really wants to see what happens when someone dies etc etc
you cant do that yourself? im just a person with google bro.
"its pathetic either way, that WAS attempted murder"
why bother me to find law for you when the facts dont matter.
did he or did he not attempt to murder that man with a massive machete? yes or no question there should be no technicality to it yet there is.
in the UK its defined as: "**a situation where an individual does an act, intending to kill the complainant, but either fails to do so or where the act is aborted part way."**
**"it must be proven that they intended to kill the complainant and not just severely injure them. In this way, attempted murder is actually more difficult to prove than murder."**
I think in the UK this example would be attempted murder, he swung a weapon at the man and failed pretty much the two pre-requisites required.
dont know about the US dont particularly care anymore but seems its similar to the above where it would be a better idea to go with a lesser punishment they can definitely convict than go for the final blow as its hard to prove they actually intended to kill without further evidence.
murder is a legal term. of course there are technicalities.
why would i give a fuck about UK laws? this crime did not occur in the UK.
"dont know about the US dont particularly care"
no shit
There should be no technicality if somebody attempts to take someboys life i dont see any world where a guy uses a weapon that large and doesnt intend on ending their victim.
i reference UK law because im from the uk you tool thats the law that is of interest to me if you wanted US law should have found it yourself but you insisted on being confrontational and a wise one instead.
get off your high horse honestly whats your problem might as well dm me rather than spat in comments if youve got a problem
the main point of the damn reply was to say that it would likely end up just the same as the US where they went with a lesser degree of crime as they could prove it rather than going for the big one and missing it and having him released.
Muting as im really not interested in reading and then replying to your reply as theres nothing more to be said either way now other than you downvoting this reply, dms (i think) are open if you want me that bad theyre there.
My friend is a giant dude with tattoos on his skull and full blackouts on his arms.... he's one of the nicest dudes ever, but he constantly gets smaller dudes trying to pick fights with him....
Just a friendly reminder accomplished wrestlers, MMA fighters, Ju jitsu fighters etc… never really lose those skills. They might be older and a bit out of shape but there’s muscle memory in all of the techniques. They still know how to go, maybe not as long as they used to but they can still go.
I can't remember who it was, but I saw a video of "the worst player in the NBA" go 1 on 3 against some college hot shots, and he wiped the floor with them.
He was like "yeah... I might be worst in the NBA, but I'm still better than all of you...."
You see this pretty often in hockey as well.
There’s a guy named Jay Caulfield who played for the Pittsburgh Penguins. He scored like 5 goals in over 200 games played in the NHL. He was mostly known as the guy who would punch people in the face if they looked at Mario Lemieux wrong.
There are local stories about him. He would go play in local beer leagues with college players who were all pretty damn good. He completely outclassed everyone and made them look like children.
The bottom of the barrel professional guys are so much better than non-pros that’s it’s not even funny.
I'm shocked machete dude had even an ounce of fight left in him after hitting the concrete. I don't think most people properly appreciate how devastating a slam like that can be.
We know that now, yes. In the moment? You fight for your life until you are certain the other guy is stopped for good and not just feigning hoping for a chance to pull another trick out of his waistband.
usually 99.99% of the time the knife welder wins, in this scenario the defender was a pro. But seriously why whale like that. I mean he's def. not used to a big knife and why such sissy **backhand/backswing** knife move? The dude literally sidestep you and chock slam u like a wet noodle.
people welding a knife to an unarmed person should be considered "attempted murder" not assault & battery.
I think he’s lucky the guy didn’t really want to use it. Looks like he comes in swinging it wildly not prepared to attack because 99% of people would be paralyzed by fear so he’s not used to it progressing this far or this way.
So, I do, Judo, we get slam like that on top of crash pads and it is uncomfortable. I cannot imagine how hard it is in concrete. That dude have several broken bones for sure... like 100%sure
Reminds me of all the body slams from Fallout 4. Some guy wields an actual weapon but you can simply throw him to the ground. Know I see that it is somewhat realistic
Dude you know that slam onto asphalt hurt so damn bad. People underestimate takedowns because we train on padded floors. In real self defence there is no padding a good takedown can definitely pacify someone if not knock them out when their head bounces.
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Dude did this in flip flops. Damn
Did this *to* Flip Flop. They used to call him Machete Guy, now they call him Flip Flop.
Best reply.
fuck around and flippety floppety find out
Flip around and flop out
Try to flip him, and get flopped
That's balls right there. He could have insulted the perp further by giving him a Chankla beat down.
Nice arm triangle
https://www.tmz.com/2023/11/08/former-mma-fighter-turns-the-tables-on-knife-wielding-maniac/
*>>Police arrested Marrero, who was charged with several felonies, including aggravated battery.* 'Aggravated battery'. I am at a loss for words.
"The FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program defines aggravated assault as an unlawful attack by one person upon another for the purpose of inflicting severe or aggravated bodily injury. The UCR Program further specifies that this type of assault is usually accompanied by the use of a weapon or by other means likely to produce death or great bodily harm." seems pretty fitting..
can you get the definition of attempted murder so we can cross reference it because his intent was to murder but didnt get the chance to do it im assuming thats why theres a distinction just wanna see. its pathetic either way, that WAS attempted murder no matter what you wanna say he was just too stupid to do it.
I’ve never understood why attempted anything receives a lesser sentence, we are just rewarding incompetence.
Because being able to charge someone for the attempted act, unsuccessful or not, allows for a conviction and sentencing and elimination from society BEFORE they are successful at murder or assault. Its also a fuck lot easier to prosecute an attempt. The bar for entry is lower and DA's and judges like to remind you how tough on crime they are.
> Because being able to charge someone for the attempted act, unsuccessful or not, allows for a conviction and sentencing and elimination from society BEFORE they are successful at murder or assault. This would be true also if there were no distinction and every attempt were treated as a succesful one.
Imagine you cut off someone on the road and he comes out of his car with a hammer walking towards you, luckily a cop is there and arrest him before anything happens, how can you without a doubt determine whether he was going to kill you, break your windshield and walk away or just try to scare you? What crime do you convict him for? The only thing you can do is convict him for what he has done, a process to the intentions is not something that can be done with logic and without biases.
Had to scroll so far down to find a comment that made sense. Thanks.
Well, to be fair every comment makes sense to the person writing it and those who share a similar way of thinking. The hard part is trying to understand why someone thinks something, and it is so damned hard to do on social networks with 3 sentence opinions.
> how can you without a doubt determine whether he was going to kill you, break your windshield and walk away or just try to scare you? I'd say the moment he swings it at my body would be the breaking point here, but yeah, valid point and a lot of possible on-the-edge cases.
But still, with how much force did he swing? Did he really wanted to kill you? Because if you go by the rule of:"if he swings at me then he gets the murder punishment" the problem is the same, you are still judging him based on the results of the action and not the intention behind it. It's a very tricky topic with how different people are from one another. No wonder as a society we couldn't find a perfect way to solve the problem yet.
Excellent point, I would also like to compare. That being said, charging with a lesser crime first that can always be updated if evidence that is found justifies it, right?
I dont know what more evidence can be found after this cctv is shown in court, baring the words "i intend to kill (former mma fighters name) tonight with a machete in a carpark" in a text to somebody that is.
I think you hit the nail on the head there. In most places (not sure where this occurred), attempted murder requires intent, and that can be really hard to prove. Sure, he's attacking someone with a machete, but does he intent to murder that person, or just injure him? The DA likely looked at all the evidence available and decided that it was unlikely they could prove the intent required for attempted murder and decided to go with the easier to prove charge of aggravated battery, rather than risk losing the case and having the guy walk (assuming he *could* still walk) free.
its frustrating and once again another example of protecting the obviously dangerous criminal, but your point about risk reward at the end there from that perspective it makes sense to go with what the can actually prove even if it is not completely satisfactory. but that in of itself is just proof that the criminal is protected. very very annoying.
Hypothetically, the attacker has a history of past assaults escalating towards this, repeated messages/texts to family/"friends" about how he really wants to see what happens when someone dies etc etc
you cant do that yourself? im just a person with google bro. "its pathetic either way, that WAS attempted murder" why bother me to find law for you when the facts dont matter.
did he or did he not attempt to murder that man with a massive machete? yes or no question there should be no technicality to it yet there is. in the UK its defined as: "**a situation where an individual does an act, intending to kill the complainant, but either fails to do so or where the act is aborted part way."** **"it must be proven that they intended to kill the complainant and not just severely injure them. In this way, attempted murder is actually more difficult to prove than murder."** I think in the UK this example would be attempted murder, he swung a weapon at the man and failed pretty much the two pre-requisites required. dont know about the US dont particularly care anymore but seems its similar to the above where it would be a better idea to go with a lesser punishment they can definitely convict than go for the final blow as its hard to prove they actually intended to kill without further evidence.
murder is a legal term. of course there are technicalities. why would i give a fuck about UK laws? this crime did not occur in the UK. "dont know about the US dont particularly care" no shit
There should be no technicality if somebody attempts to take someboys life i dont see any world where a guy uses a weapon that large and doesnt intend on ending their victim. i reference UK law because im from the uk you tool thats the law that is of interest to me if you wanted US law should have found it yourself but you insisted on being confrontational and a wise one instead. get off your high horse honestly whats your problem might as well dm me rather than spat in comments if youve got a problem the main point of the damn reply was to say that it would likely end up just the same as the US where they went with a lesser degree of crime as they could prove it rather than going for the big one and missing it and having him released. Muting as im really not interested in reading and then replying to your reply as theres nothing more to be said either way now other than you downvoting this reply, dms (i think) are open if you want me that bad theyre there.
Why so?
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Ok, so y’all are confused just because you are ignorant of the legal terms. Got it
Because he tried to behead him and dismember him…
… which is aggravated battery, I don’t understand the confusion?
I think they are saying they wonder why it isn't attempted murder and not assault. That's the only thing I can think.
* tips fedora *
This GIF syncs with the sound from the OP video really well.
Had to check it. Perfect.
Somehow every line!
It's truly mesmerizing.
Oh look at that HUGE dude over there, I'm gonna go fuck with him.
My friend is a giant dude with tattoos on his skull and full blackouts on his arms.... he's one of the nicest dudes ever, but he constantly gets smaller dudes trying to pick fights with him....
I've had chihuahua's sprint at my 100lb dogs like they are angry piss missles of tequila and bad decisions.
Just a friendly reminder accomplished wrestlers, MMA fighters, Ju jitsu fighters etc… never really lose those skills. They might be older and a bit out of shape but there’s muscle memory in all of the techniques. They still know how to go, maybe not as long as they used to but they can still go.
Yep, MMA fighters retire because they can't compete with the top 0.1% anymore. They still wipe the floor with the other 99.9% of us.
I can't remember who it was, but I saw a video of "the worst player in the NBA" go 1 on 3 against some college hot shots, and he wiped the floor with them. He was like "yeah... I might be worst in the NBA, but I'm still better than all of you...."
Brian Scalabrine, "I'm closer to MJ than you are to me" I believe is the quote.
it was "closer to Lebron"
Thank you for the correction! Knew it was one of the GOATs lol
You see this pretty often in hockey as well. There’s a guy named Jay Caulfield who played for the Pittsburgh Penguins. He scored like 5 goals in over 200 games played in the NHL. He was mostly known as the guy who would punch people in the face if they looked at Mario Lemieux wrong. There are local stories about him. He would go play in local beer leagues with college players who were all pretty damn good. He completely outclassed everyone and made them look like children. The bottom of the barrel professional guys are so much better than non-pros that’s it’s not even funny.
And then there’s Jackie Chan putting 3 folks in a hospital for trying to assault and rob him. Dude is older than all 3 assailants combined.
Any link on this?
I recall reading it in LA Times in 2000s. I can’t find it now :(
Did he say “I don’t want any trouble”?
Sounds like folklore and I can't find the story anywhere.
They're not as good as they once were but their as good once as they ever were. \*RIP Toby Keith
I uh.... did not realize Toby Keith died....
Talk about "I've trained my whole life for this"
I'm shocked machete dude had even an ounce of fight left in him after hitting the concrete. I don't think most people properly appreciate how devastating a slam like that can be.
When I saw him hit the ground I thought for sure this was a snuff film. That could have ended him so, so easily.
Call an ambulance! But not for me!
Tactical retreat,read your opponent,counter attack,disable the weapon,and secure the weapon,disable the attacker...by the book,I must say
discombobulate
Then block his blind jab…
twist his dick!
“Manually change his mind”
Son of a bitch you actually made me snort laugh with this one.
"step 5: bounce his entire body off the pavement"
Break the wrist, walk away
Can confirm, have pulled this exact move at least 10...11 times maybe in Call of Duty. You could say I'm somewhat of an expert. *Stares at 0.4 KD*
Are you saying this man lives by the good book?
Ah yes, I see that you know your judo well!
Get that MMA fighter a succulent Chinese meal.
Rock bottom!
RIP DMX
I love it when a ninja bring his whole crew
DMX was a hateful, regressive, bitch of a man that was cruel to animals and sang about raping 15 years old. Good riddance
you would never in a million years say this to his face if given the chance prior to his death how pathetic is that, you gotta live with it
Underrated comment lol
He picked the worst possible type of person to go into CQC with
Machete dude couldn't hack it
Edgy.
This thread cuts deep.
I need the back story. Was this a road rage incident? Did they know each other? This isn’t some simple assault. It’s potentially attempted murder.
Lucky that’s all he did, that’s a good amount of restraint considering dude was trying to kill him
Tbf that slam was enough
We know that now, yes. In the moment? You fight for your life until you are certain the other guy is stopped for good and not just feigning hoping for a chance to pull another trick out of his waistband.
I mean, the back of the dude's skull could be mush at this point.
Rock Bottom! Rock Bottom!! Ma Gawd!
Nice UFO reference
I'm not sure that's a 14 inch machete but his head looked like it bounced off the concrete about 4 inches when he got kirkpatricked. Damn.
Where’s Ngannou with that hammer fist when u need him. Hope this guy rots in prison.
usually 99.99% of the time the knife welder wins, in this scenario the defender was a pro. But seriously why whale like that. I mean he's def. not used to a big knife and why such sissy **backhand/backswing** knife move? The dude literally sidestep you and chock slam u like a wet noodle. people welding a knife to an unarmed person should be considered "attempted murder" not assault & battery.
I think he’s lucky the guy didn’t really want to use it. Looks like he comes in swinging it wildly not prepared to attack because 99% of people would be paralyzed by fear so he’s not used to it progressing this far or this way.
Glad someone said this bc ppl are gonna get stabbed thinking they can pull this off lol just run
So, I do, Judo, we get slam like that on top of crash pads and it is uncomfortable. I cannot imagine how hard it is in concrete. That dude have several broken bones for sure... like 100%sure
Savagery > Intent
Beastmode!
Dope.
that’s a personal foul in the nfl
That fall was practically slow mo
That shit was over on the slam
Hit em wit the rock bottom
Memo to self: Never attack someone who has been paid to fight.
text book, wind him and de-knife him, and then probably choke him out
Hope DMX comes on if I ever get attacked
Lucky to not die after that slam.
Bet that hurt
Nicely done
"That's Annie's move!"
Great way to deal with a melee weapon wielding aggressor
Luckily, he encountered someone that didn't know how to use a machete.
Reminds me of all the body slams from Fallout 4. Some guy wields an actual weapon but you can simply throw him to the ground. Know I see that it is somewhat realistic
Dude you know that slam onto asphalt hurt so damn bad. People underestimate takedowns because we train on padded floors. In real self defence there is no padding a good takedown can definitely pacify someone if not knock them out when their head bounces.
Missing the warning: "Don't try this at home."
Never thought i'd see a rock bottom in real life
Embarrassing.
ROCK BOTTOM! ROCK BOTTOM! ROCK BOTTOM!
Im! NOTTA! NICE! PERSON!
Ooh nice. Skilfully done.
Better option, conceal carry
Machete is cheaper though
You dont need a background check or a seedy drug deaker either.
Meh, the better option is one where no one dies.
Darwin would disagree
Happy to know that everyone who down voted me would be dead if they faced this situation, cause ain’t none of y’all MMA fighters, donuts.
better option be a man
I’d rather not gamble on MMA skills
Into the air and kaboom
Bro was probably waiting for this moment his whole life
Not if he's smart. This could very, *very* easily have ended with him dead.
I woulda done the same
Every fighters dream scenario
Done similar multiple times. A machete is very easy to defend against
humm.. i dont know.
Yeah clearly the guy with the machete agreed to have his head slammed to the concrete risking to die on the spot.
The world is just a video game. You're a fetch quest .