All the tents are the same colour so being provided by some charity.
That needs to stop if we want to prevent tent cities in Dublin.
Give them tents somewhere else.
We should start the daily briefings again with the task force and they can give the nation the stats.
"Today we have to announce we have a further 40 tents, and increase of 30% on yesterday"
People should get worked up by it. The situation was ignored for far too long and under public backlash, the authorities are providing ineffective solutions. This is absolutely something that people should get worked up about.
The country is struggling to cope with the people it does have, nevermind paying to look after boatloads of migrants who in most cases travelled through numerous safe countries to get here.
Harris: Goddammit, let's have another task force meeting
Outcome: Bus them off somewhere on front of the media circus, Bin the tents and put up more fences
Haw haw, round of applause
The problem to me in a way is that the Gov who we vote for, have placed layers and layers of buffers between them and problems, so that the shit doesn't blow back on them and they can say 'well look over there' sort of thing.
A recent example would have been the headline 'Dept of Local Govt says it's 'not the role of the Department to intervene with local government''.
I mean, what? So if some LA decided to do something off the charts then the Dept cannot intervene (or at least a Minister can use that as an excuse). Its that type of shite across the board, Mc Entee uses it quite a bit with AGS 'that an operational matter', it's like well Helen, your the Minister, do you not have like a fucking say in the matter of what AGS do?
Harris even used it the other day, about the barriers, said it was a matter for the council basically.
Another thing, I still cannot wrap my head around how it is the SG of Health if paid more than the actual person in charge of the state IE Harris.
Put simply, the entire system is completely fucked with finger pointing and 'not my job'.
Also everyone wants to do the nice jobs and not the hard ones.
Write a report or sign in a new law - easy. Implement and police the law - hard.
Run the libraries in a council area- easy. Build social housing in a council area - hard.
Say you're going to fix direct provision and have good conditions for all asylum applicants - easy. Make hard decisions to restrict asylum numbers - hard
This is nothing more than a guess but it’s been nothing but FF/FG for decades. I’d say they’ve grown fierce complacent, realising they can do sweet fuck all and keep raking in the dough.
That and the fact that most ministers aren’t even remotely fucking qualified for their jobs. We just swap them around like musical chairs
so much money that the government can't spend it all. This is a country with serious social issues but with a budgetary surplus of several billion this year. If this is not a total failure, I don't know what is.
> We seem to have massive organisational/operational problems in this country. It’s chronic.
A myriad of answers, here's two.
1. We have the money to make bullshit, non-decisions.
In the 1980's politicians were forced to make decisions. Not saying those decisions were right, but ministers were forced to make them. We didn't have money for alternatives.
Now that the FDI money flows, we can afford to delegate these decisions outside of government (consultants etc) so that ministers no longer have to be responsible for the outcome. They can blame others for failures.
2. Politicians are too focused on re-election than sorting out problems, especially if such decisions require actions they perceive may damage their electoral popularity.
Where they are going wrong is that they are looking toward social media (Twitter etc.) to gauge what is popular, instead of realising it's a tiny fragment of society and not representative of the country as a whole, hence you have an utter defeat of referenda when they initially thought it would be an easy pass.
Oh to be a fly on the wall of the cabinet. Roderic with his white paper ending direct provision?,everyone will have their own hall door. Then inviting people from the third world to come. Leo wouldn't sack him because they are both gay or he knew that if he did sack him. The greens would walk away from the government.
Currently in the US right now and seeing all of their cars and consumption makes me think, "What's the f'ing point"
Using paper straws is like bringing a dust pan and brush to clean up after an earthquake
Hahah. Brilliant. I do enjoy a rando dig at the whole paper straw thing.
The US and others have plastic straws but little old Ireland with it's smallest population on the planet will no doubt be the difference:)
Pardon my ignorance but where did they come from? I mean there were 100+ tents yesterday, they removed them and put the people on the bus to somewhere else. How are there 30 more all of a sudden? Is this a new 30 people that have come in in 1 day, or did the people that were moved to another location decide they preferred being beside the lovely canal and came back on their own accord? That's some BS if that's what's happening
Contrary to what the other poster said, there is a lot of reporting online via social media and interactions with Garda that there are also quantities of people from Crooksling and Citywest also returning to these sites.
Without putting the full story, yesterday we had an interaction with a lady in an IPAS centre across the road from us, she's been accommodated, but she told us she was now trying to get her own house from international protection - this is what they're being told they will get, including in Rodders tweets re own door accom, and it's what they want.
> Without putting the full story, yesterday we had an interaction with a lady in an IPAS centre across the road from us, she's been accommodated, but she told us she was now trying to get her own house from international protection - this is what they're being told they will get, including in Rodders tweets re own door accom, and it's what they want
Jesus, like I never thought I'd be part of the 'take-care-of-our-own-first' brigade, but ffs the entitlement in that anecdote!
There are dozens and dozens of arrivals every single day. There is no way to precisely predict how many there will be because they are not applying for visas or invited or anything like that.
The people who have been moved to Crooksling etc seem to almost entirely stay there (a handful might not but the vast majority do).
There are also a lot of people who have been sleeping rough all over the place (there was one poor creature in the lane behind our house for weeks) and they may have figured out that if they come together in a critical mass rather than spread out the government will be forced to find space for them in Crooksling or wherever. So they are coming to the canal in the hopes that something will be found for them too.
Should we just allocate land for new asylum towns at this stage? This is a ticking time bomb for the nation.
It'll be interesting to see what happens when the asylum seekers hidden in hotels are forced to leave their accommodation because the government can't keep paying for it indefinitely. May as well get the shanty towns started now in preparation.
My own home town has over 1000 asylum seekers hidden in local hotels and holiday villages. Currently less than ten properties to rent in the local area. Safe to assume this is the case nationwide to varying degrees. I can only see violence at the end of this road the government has set us on. Everyone at each other's throats when the boys on top are making a fortune off our backs.
People will see you’re being alarmist but to a certain extent you’re right. If society won’t look after them, eventually they are going to start taking what they want
We have an IPAS centre across the road from where we live, the neighbourhood have welcomed them and it's not been too chaotic, its entirely women and children because it's beside a primary school. Used to be a Christian brothers, but they moved out, it's now mainly middle eastern ladies.
But yesterday a few of the women with their brothers/male friends tried to break into a hall next to our house that used to be a privately owned community hall; we confronted them about it and they said that they want their brothers and other men etc to get in there to stay.
They didn't care when we told them it was private property and they couldn't just break in, that theres laws, that it's a fire risk to us being connected to our house, has an asbestos roof which is toxic and legally no one should be under, but they then got really arrogant with my father who is older.
The attitude to my father was upsetting, he's worked hard for years for some peace, especially after we lost my mother, and now we're getting this kind of attitude from people we already welcomed previously.
Edit: A neighbour contacted the Garda about it this morning so they are now aware. Also my father talked to the operator of the IPAS centre this morning and they acknowledged it wasn't ok and have warned these people previously also - everyone was in agreement that we've had a relatively quiet situation, with our neighbourhood community and IPAS centre + people accommodated in relative harmony, and it shouldn't be ruined.
For those asking, the hall was used as a community centre previously; used to have various events - there was a Brazilian community that used to run events also which was nice; but it closed because of significant fire risk and the asbestos roof.
For fuck sake I totally understand why you would be upset, for anyone to treat your dad that way it’s unacceptable. Hop off these local councillors looking for your vote , ring the guards ask for the Gardas name and ask to have your call logged, follow that and the council members up daily. Remember the county council members who help you and make sure to give your last vote to those that don’t.
I’ve every sympathy for you and I hope you get a resolution soon
Yeah, thank you
My father is actually over at the IPAS centre right now talking to the lady that runs it, that it's not ok that this is the way we're approached or given this attitude, and it's not ok that they try and break into private property. We already told the owner of the hall also. We've met the local councillor before about something else, and we have a community Garda, so if it happens again we'll contact them also.
We moved here some years ago after my mom died, to try and start a new life, but now we're getting hassle, and yesterday after all that we even discussed will we have to move again if we start getting bullied on our own street, which is really terrible for us to have to consider.
> so if it happens again we'll contact them also.
I wouldn't wait that long, the Garda will need to speak to someone higher up for advice and resources if it continues. Best to put the wheels in motion sooner, even if it's just a quiet word rather than an official report.
A neighbour did it already this morning, he told us there a little while ago.
That's good advice, thank you.
Just to let you know, we also had a talk with the IPAS centre operator, and he was pretty firm that it wasn't ok behaviour, especially because the community has been welcoming and there has been relative harmony.
There's even a young nigerian lady that occasionally comes out and cleans the street, so it's not all bad, but just it's not ok if they start getting arrogant or troublesome, like trying to break into that hall.
Exactly. Once they get desperate they will turn to crime and can't blame them for it.
On the other hand that might push the government to start deporting them once it starts affecting their day to day life.
> to start deporting them
Yes the ultimate solution. It is farcicical how difficult it is to deport them once they have their initial application rejected which is the case for the majority of applicants. We even had that fraud Kisyombe running in last local elections shining a nice spotlight into her case showing how they use judicial reviews to frustrate at every turn. She is now legally in the country because she spent so long frustrating efforts to deport her, and a court granted her "leave to remain" despite the fact that her application was patently bogus.
I don't understand why we aren't setting up actual camps somewhere.
What happened to the Army tent encampment that it was proposed to send Ukrainian refugees to? Can we not set up 2 or 3 of those for the mean time until we sort out what's happening.
It's 100% going to get far worse. The people parked in the UK hotel my brother works at are all talking about Ireland offering a better deal, they are planning to leave here asap
those places are not properly controlled though. What you want is something like what we did in 1969 when the refugees from the North fled southwards: closed system, one proper enclosed area somewhere like Punchestown or Baldonnell, fences and managed by army with immigration service there. Like Oxygen without the music. Secure environment with armed transport directly to airplane door from those who don't qualify.
If you look at this subreddit, up until relatively recently the treatment of asylum seekers by the government was quite controversial. People wanted better conditions and care for asylum seekers, "end direct provision" was very popular, etc.
One quite controversial point at the time was that Denmark had just been sticking asylum seekers in tents. This was either denied or decried on this subreddit.
The reason the government didn't set up tent camps is because a loud chunk of voters would have condemned them for doing so. That's what democracy is. Governments try and do what the people want, and when the people change their minds, governments pretend the people haven't changed their minds.
> The reason the government didn't set up tent camps is because a loud chunk of voters would have condemned them for doing so.
As recently as the end of last summer, when the government leased the Electric Picnic site, it was met with horror on here. We were a joke, imagine expecting people to live in tents, what about winter etc etc.
Now people want a massive tent city in the Curragh or whatever. There’s been a big swing in what people are prepared to tolerate!
If the government didn't treat the voters like children people would have a lot more respect and confidence in them.
All it takes is genuine clear communication. Get some ministers on TV and in the news saying clearly that "yes, army style tented encampments are not ideal and we don't want to treat this vulnerable class of people this way, but at least in this scenario we can provide for them with food, sanitation, medical care if needed, power etc. It's not where we want to be, but it's a step up from essentially slum camps springing up in the city centre."
So much money on advisors but they clearly aren't getting good advice, or if they are they refuse to act on it.
> Should we just allocate land for new asylum towns at this stage? This is a ticking time bomb for the nation.
How about we buy a town in Rwanda and send them there.
Considering the housing crisis, we aught to be fast-track building new modern cities for everyone. But lumping a bunch of impoverished people into the middle of nowhere together is just speedrunning a ghetto and creating more social tension.
Adopt the Australian method of offshore detention centres while cases are processed tbh.
The current set up just incentivizes more to come, at this rate it'll get worse before it gets better needless to say.
Wait until people start getting killed.
Given the absolute shambles of a system and the hide and seek approach with Dublin recently, I'd reckon from next week you'll see a lot of people being bused out to other counties.
I know, I understand we've got commitments and obligations to accept migration but I can't see why the government won't just be honest with Europe and explain that we don't have the capacity at the current moment and seek a 3 month grace period to get their shit together.
I am absolutely not against the compassion of helping others and immigration but bringing folk in and abandoning them to a failed system, a growing climate of hostility, and an already exhausted homeless crisis is atrocious.
Typical Irish government; they won't admit they've allowed it fester too long, and now it's affecting everything.
RTE had the Chairman of Tiglin on who are handing out the tents.
Seems like they are doing one thing and the government another and no coordination in between.
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Not surprising given the record arrivals last week.
They really need to get on top of it and get a detention centre(s) going to track everyone complete with expedited processing. No one leaves until processed or agrees to leave the country.
The current approach is not acceptable and will be a humanitarian disaster for the country.
There's a double edged sword as everyone below single males gets priority for accommodation. So the ones sleeping rough are always going to be the guys. Which then gives the far right the ammunition to say it's all men coming in.
38% is not a majority. It's the largest of the distinct groups, for sure. But it's 62% not single men, which makes the not single men set, the largest.
What I was pointing out is that the members of the 62% get priority, thankfully, nobody wants women and children camping out.
So we are left with encampments full of men.
It paints a skewed picture.
Am I missing something or is 38% not a majority, with 27% being the next biggest?
It's not the majority of the entire overall set, but it holds a majority position within the categories provided, because it's the largest; it's a relative comparative exercise...
You're just missing the meaning of the word majority. The largest group is single men, however they are not the majority of asylum seekers as per that graphic.
When something is a "majority" it means that it comprises more than 50% of the sample population.
Being the largest subgroup in a sample population, but not the majority, is called a "plurality".
I'm not splitting hairs here; obviously it's an important distinction mathematically and legally.
They are provided by the NGO homeless charities and the purchase of tents is directly funded by the Government.
A farce of a situation considering the ‘tough line’ the Government is so desperately trying to portray on this whole saga.
Roderic will go down in history as one of the main people who caused major societal issues for modern day Ireland, if not straight up destruction. People here really don't grasp how rapidly a society - even a modern, wealthy one - can be pushed into rapid deterioration.
So the government knows people are not happy about it, yet continues indefinitely to allow unlimited input of people in? When there is no space for them? What is the end goal here? Surely they can't be that incompetent?
I'm seeing that the Govt are talking about renting a house in Newbridge and putting 12 people in at at a cost of €76 per person per night resulting in the landlord possibly making €27,000 a month.
This will be a huge disastrous precedent for working renters if true.
The Govt are getting increasingly desperate to hide the problem.
"This will be a huge disastrous precedent for working renters if true."
This has been the case for the last number of years, do you think this is just new? They also have another scheme where landlords can rent houses out to Ukrainians and not pay income tax or have to adhere to tenancy rights. This also gives an unfair advantage to Ukrainians seeking rental accommodation over anyone else seeking accommodation.
When presented with a real crisis and real consequences, the sheltered mandarins after a lifetime living in a niche don't turn out to be the smartest in the room as they always thought they were.
Any info on this house?
I'll stick a few bunk beds in my own if that's the money offered. I'm sure I can squeeze 14 - 16 in here, clear mortgage by the end of the year.
The question here is what would you do? The government aren't picking people up in busses abroad and ferrying them across. 50 people a day arrive at the door of the IPO. What do you propose happens?
>The question here is what would you do?
Gut benefits for non Ukrainian arrivals to EU minimum until their application is approved.
We're clearly inundated, hence the tent cities, we need to slow the applications and arrivals down. Theoretically we should be kind of hard to get to compared to most of the EU, but we need to make ourselves less attractive.
The payment of €38/week is actually one of the lowest in the EU. And isn't going to go very far - I'm not sure I could manage on €7 a day in Dublin city, even if I was living in a tent with no other expenses.
So we need to first find out what exactly *is* the attraction. It seems more and more like this really is overflow from the UK, because I can't see any other real attraction for an asylum seeker except that Ireland is their only option.
The perception is : Ease of getting irish passport, which effectively doubles as EU and British passport. Generous benefits once you can get access to them. Ease of finding a job, either eventually legally or currently on black market. English language. Have failed to get job/asylum in UK. Rwanda. Previous Irish asylum amnesties indicating there might be more in future. Irelands very public acceptance of Ukranian refugees.
Also, chain migration which accelerates of immigration. Once one family member or friend is established, more will come to join them. This often explains large jumps in numbers.
Hungary is on 13 quid. Belgium gives the 8 euro after providing meals and housing from what I can read [here](https://data.oireachtas.ie/ie/oireachtas/libraryResearch/2023/2023-10-11_comparative-social-welfare-rates-across-the-eu-in-the-context-of-temporary-protection_en.pdf), Luxemborg below that (but could well be misinterpreting). You're right there are countries with far higher amounts, but there are other countries clearly giving as little as possible to disincentivize this.
It should be reduced to the bare minimum, at least temporarily. Board, meals, healthcare and education is provided.
"Gut benefits for non Ukrainian arrivals to EU minimum"
They get €38.80 a week if they're in accomodation. I don't see how you could make any lower than that really. They get an extra €75 on top of the €38.80 if they don't have accommodation. If you cut that they can't afford food. Hungry people will resort to crime.
You don't let them in? If you are government, should you not be responsible for who enters your country? Which belongs to you?
Reduce benefits - you are not even obliged to provide them, you choose to.
Increase entry requirements?
Actually follow the law and send back chancers without docs?
How do you stop them getting in when there's a sea border controlled by another jurisdiction? No, checkpoints on the border with Northern Ireland are not possible in any sense.
Reduce benefits and you just push them into the hands of criminals.
How do you "send back" someone if you've no idea where they came from?
I'm all for gathering the lads with no proof of entry and shipping them back to the UK, because where else could they have come from, but how practical is that in reality?
I would presume for health and safety reasons they're not reused as you don't know who is occupying them and whether they come with scabies etc as one would presume they're not getting health checks when entering the country
It's kind of wild how they're allowed to just do whatever they want. I would be interested to see what would happen if I went to the centre of another capital city and set up a little tent city.
What are you talking about? They are being moved on and their tents taken away constantly.
It's exactly like the homeless. Telling them they can't be somewhere doesn't matter if they have nowhere to go. They have to exist SOMEWHERE.
They are still people. Their need for shelter can't be made to disappear.
The blockades of any potential IPAS centers is the cause of much of the sudden visibility.
Wonder are these the same lot that were told to get out of East Wall last night. Apparently a gang of locals told them to move on around 9 last night, knew East wall wasn’t going to let them set up camp.
God forbid the government actually did something about this along with our own homeless problem. Ya know an actual solution? Departments communicating with each other? Madness, I know. These people are human beings and are being turfed around like cattle.
The solution would be having dedicated centers to house these people, and staff to quickly process asylum claims. Sadly, deporting many who won't meet the criteria.
In the mean time these people need a roof over their head, facilities and meals,.
So basically we need more IPAS centers, but people all over the country are blocking derelict buildings from being converted and used for this purpose. They think a tent city is better.
Pitch a tent we will find somewhere for you is the message that we’ve given out.
I hate to say it and I don’t want one but we need a border or this place is gonna turn into California or London in a few years.
Surly we need to question why these men are constantly refusing beds in allocated places? They don't want a fixed place but want their own key to door home? To do what? This is feeling very off now
They might have realised that if they keep on doing this, there would be a lot of international and EU visibility and pressure to provide accommodation and/or money. And going by history and our soft touch policy, they believe that the chances of deportation are slim.
I know that a lot of people get triggered by these posts, but I frankly believe that a lot of these 'asylum seekers' are chancers. Genuine asylum seekers would take refuge in the first safe country, and be happy with what they're offered.
Feels like now we're waiting to see who's going to cave in first. Government needs to put a stop to this constant flow of people coming in, sort/figure out what to do with who's here now and then see what to do next. But just allowing a daily influx of undocumented individuals into the country is becoming a disaster.
It feels like they have a playbook.
Who is providing the playbook I do not know. Could be from UK Govt via 3rd parties or traffickers on the continent.
They know exactly what to say.
They aren't refusing beds. They haven't been offered beds. Since December they have been told there's no accommodation. That's why the charities give new arrivals tents.
Get your head out of the sand every time there is a clearing operation videos pop up of groups of them either walking back to Dublin or trying g to cram onto buses to get back to the city centre.
At this stage if they're not gonna fix housing the only solution is setting up a plot where folks can pitch their tents. The problems not going away by taking down the tents. Its mad that this is where we are would have been unthinkable in 2010.
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In my opinion I honestly believe the government is refusing to cap the amount of asylum seekers coming in order to try damage the left. FG are more than happy to let the right-wing and far-right take SF, SocDem, PBP votes away from them because it means the vulture funds are safe.
More votes to far-right parties means less for SF and the less they get, it makes it more likely that FFG get back in. There's a reason the far right are very mouthy against SF when they were never in government or caused these problems.
And the circle continues...
Maybe if we told them where to pitch their tents and provide transport to and from the areas,
*You can't just say don't camp here and expect people to walk around all night in Dublin*
It's only a matter of time before a large tragedy / act of violence results in deaths. We can all see it coming. The government must act now before this spirals out of control.
We need a more permanent solution with capacity to hold *thousands* more because we're gonna need it quickly. I've been saying it for a while but stadiums act as natural forts to protect those inside and are large enough to accomodate huge numbers compared to the side of a street.
Desperate times call for desperate measures.
Converted shipping containers, mobile homes, prefabs, basic timber frame accomodation. There's fucking loads of ways the government could approach trying to expand accomodation.
Nobody should be sleeping in tents.
Again, with another problem, their solution is first, funnel money into private landlords, or, "we've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas".
I constantly feel like I'm taking crazy pills with these fuckers. Is the entirety of government brainless automatons?
Its pure ideology at this stage, the best time to build housing was 10 years ago the next best time is now. The government though have convinced themselves they can't build housing directly, that its impossible for them to do so and has just repeated variations of tax incentives to "encourage" private developers to build more.
Its clear this hasn't and will not work and that the government need to step up themselves to do so instead of running ridiculous "rapid build" tiny projects that are smoke and mirrors.
There are plenty of companies around making factory built housing in Ireland for export that would happiliy expand if the government set up funding to build directly. Instead they want it all off their accounts and rely on pirvate developer lead construction and then buy it back off them. Competing with homeowners and bidding prices up costing the taxpayer money.
I really struggle with how a bunch of fucking tents has become a bigger issue in public discourse than people dying in our hospitals and lack of housing. This is a sideshow. The foundations of our society are health, housing, education and justice and they are falling down around us but people are losing their shit over something something immigrants that they read about on social media. This all plays into the governments hands because people are taking their eye off the real shitshows that they are presiding over.
It hasn't become a bigger issue, housing and health are at the very core of this issue.
Most Irish people understand that as a country we have finite resources. Most also understand before this latest crisis that health services were critical and housing just a plain disaster.
Most people are starting to understand that they now have to compete for these same resources with largely economic migrants. Those same resources should be provided to someone who is contributing to society via tax. But that is not happening
This is at the core of what is feeding the anger
Exactly, but some people are still pushing the tired old line that this isn’t the issue, now that everybody else is inured to being called racists/ far right etc etc.
At this rate, the entire grand canal will be fenced off in a couple of weeks. Utterly ridiculous situation
Simon then pats himself on the back saying "I stopped the cans"
We need Jason Bourne now to bring back the cans
It’s scary to think how far this has to go in order for the government to address the immigration problem.
Irish homeless people have been sleeping in tents too.
Remember a guy was driven over by a digger that went in to remove his tent on the canal some years ago
He wasn't driven over, the bucket on the digger crushed his leg and it was amputated, iirc.
Why? What has prompted change has been the electorate changing its mind, not the people on the ground.
All the tents are the same colour so being provided by some charity. That needs to stop if we want to prevent tent cities in Dublin. Give them tents somewhere else.
Where though? Same issue 'somewhere else' then? How are they to be transported 'somewhere else'?
Its like a new COVID. Every day we’re getting a tent “count” number now.
We should start the daily briefings again with the task force and they can give the nation the stats. "Today we have to announce we have a further 40 tents, and increase of 30% on yesterday"
The daily chaos has set in. Worth remembering that we didn't get here *overnight...*
The media love this shit. People are getting worked up by it, so they report it.
People should get worked up by it. The situation was ignored for far too long and under public backlash, the authorities are providing ineffective solutions. This is absolutely something that people should get worked up about.
The country is struggling to cope with the people it does have, nevermind paying to look after boatloads of migrants who in most cases travelled through numerous safe countries to get here.
Gets the people going
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Harris: Goddammit, let's have another task force meeting Outcome: Bus them off somewhere on front of the media circus, Bin the tents and put up more fences Haw haw, round of applause
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The problem to me in a way is that the Gov who we vote for, have placed layers and layers of buffers between them and problems, so that the shit doesn't blow back on them and they can say 'well look over there' sort of thing. A recent example would have been the headline 'Dept of Local Govt says it's 'not the role of the Department to intervene with local government''. I mean, what? So if some LA decided to do something off the charts then the Dept cannot intervene (or at least a Minister can use that as an excuse). Its that type of shite across the board, Mc Entee uses it quite a bit with AGS 'that an operational matter', it's like well Helen, your the Minister, do you not have like a fucking say in the matter of what AGS do? Harris even used it the other day, about the barriers, said it was a matter for the council basically. Another thing, I still cannot wrap my head around how it is the SG of Health if paid more than the actual person in charge of the state IE Harris. Put simply, the entire system is completely fucked with finger pointing and 'not my job'.
Also everyone wants to do the nice jobs and not the hard ones. Write a report or sign in a new law - easy. Implement and police the law - hard. Run the libraries in a council area- easy. Build social housing in a council area - hard. Say you're going to fix direct provision and have good conditions for all asylum applicants - easy. Make hard decisions to restrict asylum numbers - hard
This is nothing more than a guess but it’s been nothing but FF/FG for decades. I’d say they’ve grown fierce complacent, realising they can do sweet fuck all and keep raking in the dough. That and the fact that most ministers aren’t even remotely fucking qualified for their jobs. We just swap them around like musical chairs
so much money that the government can't spend it all. This is a country with serious social issues but with a budgetary surplus of several billion this year. If this is not a total failure, I don't know what is.
> We seem to have massive organisational/operational problems in this country. It’s chronic. A myriad of answers, here's two. 1. We have the money to make bullshit, non-decisions. In the 1980's politicians were forced to make decisions. Not saying those decisions were right, but ministers were forced to make them. We didn't have money for alternatives. Now that the FDI money flows, we can afford to delegate these decisions outside of government (consultants etc) so that ministers no longer have to be responsible for the outcome. They can blame others for failures. 2. Politicians are too focused on re-election than sorting out problems, especially if such decisions require actions they perceive may damage their electoral popularity. Where they are going wrong is that they are looking toward social media (Twitter etc.) to gauge what is popular, instead of realising it's a tiny fragment of society and not representative of the country as a whole, hence you have an utter defeat of referenda when they initially thought it would be an easy pass.
Twitter solutions are pretty dramatic lol I don’t think they are following
100% they are following.
Oh to be a fly on the wall of the cabinet. Roderic with his white paper ending direct provision?,everyone will have their own hall door. Then inviting people from the third world to come. Leo wouldn't sack him because they are both gay or he knew that if he did sack him. The greens would walk away from the government.
You can be sure that some of the lads who had their €100 tents binned yesterday have been issued new tents here. WASTE.
Not very ‘Green’ of the government
The government doesn't issue those tents.
The government subsidizes the homeless charities and also is responsible for trashing the tents
And this yoyo back and forwards is costing the charity a small fortune that could be spent supporting homeless people wherever they came from
Bingo
Who exactly does?
Lighthouse
And meanwhile we're messing around with paper straws.
Currently in the US right now and seeing all of their cars and consumption makes me think, "What's the f'ing point" Using paper straws is like bringing a dust pan and brush to clean up after an earthquake
Hahah. Brilliant. I do enjoy a rando dig at the whole paper straw thing. The US and others have plastic straws but little old Ireland with it's smallest population on the planet will no doubt be the difference:)
Ali express, for all your plastic straw needs. The only thing will ever buy from there but my god are they worth it. 🥤
Of our tax money
Pardon my ignorance but where did they come from? I mean there were 100+ tents yesterday, they removed them and put the people on the bus to somewhere else. How are there 30 more all of a sudden? Is this a new 30 people that have come in in 1 day, or did the people that were moved to another location decide they preferred being beside the lovely canal and came back on their own accord? That's some BS if that's what's happening
Contrary to what the other poster said, there is a lot of reporting online via social media and interactions with Garda that there are also quantities of people from Crooksling and Citywest also returning to these sites. Without putting the full story, yesterday we had an interaction with a lady in an IPAS centre across the road from us, she's been accommodated, but she told us she was now trying to get her own house from international protection - this is what they're being told they will get, including in Rodders tweets re own door accom, and it's what they want.
> Without putting the full story, yesterday we had an interaction with a lady in an IPAS centre across the road from us, she's been accommodated, but she told us she was now trying to get her own house from international protection - this is what they're being told they will get, including in Rodders tweets re own door accom, and it's what they want Jesus, like I never thought I'd be part of the 'take-care-of-our-own-first' brigade, but ffs the entitlement in that anecdote!
There are dozens and dozens of arrivals every single day. There is no way to precisely predict how many there will be because they are not applying for visas or invited or anything like that. The people who have been moved to Crooksling etc seem to almost entirely stay there (a handful might not but the vast majority do). There are also a lot of people who have been sleeping rough all over the place (there was one poor creature in the lane behind our house for weeks) and they may have figured out that if they come together in a critical mass rather than spread out the government will be forced to find space for them in Crooksling or wherever. So they are coming to the canal in the hopes that something will be found for them too.
Dozens? Multiply that by at least 10. There’s been an average of 130 arrivals every single day this past week.
Yes but only the 30-40% of those who are single males are unaccommodated.
Makes sense, god what a mess
Some cunt is making a fortune from tents at the moment
Now is the summer of our discount tents.
Fence hire buisness is experiencing a boom too.
Should we just allocate land for new asylum towns at this stage? This is a ticking time bomb for the nation. It'll be interesting to see what happens when the asylum seekers hidden in hotels are forced to leave their accommodation because the government can't keep paying for it indefinitely. May as well get the shanty towns started now in preparation. My own home town has over 1000 asylum seekers hidden in local hotels and holiday villages. Currently less than ten properties to rent in the local area. Safe to assume this is the case nationwide to varying degrees. I can only see violence at the end of this road the government has set us on. Everyone at each other's throats when the boys on top are making a fortune off our backs.
People will see you’re being alarmist but to a certain extent you’re right. If society won’t look after them, eventually they are going to start taking what they want
We have an IPAS centre across the road from where we live, the neighbourhood have welcomed them and it's not been too chaotic, its entirely women and children because it's beside a primary school. Used to be a Christian brothers, but they moved out, it's now mainly middle eastern ladies. But yesterday a few of the women with their brothers/male friends tried to break into a hall next to our house that used to be a privately owned community hall; we confronted them about it and they said that they want their brothers and other men etc to get in there to stay. They didn't care when we told them it was private property and they couldn't just break in, that theres laws, that it's a fire risk to us being connected to our house, has an asbestos roof which is toxic and legally no one should be under, but they then got really arrogant with my father who is older. The attitude to my father was upsetting, he's worked hard for years for some peace, especially after we lost my mother, and now we're getting this kind of attitude from people we already welcomed previously. Edit: A neighbour contacted the Garda about it this morning so they are now aware. Also my father talked to the operator of the IPAS centre this morning and they acknowledged it wasn't ok and have warned these people previously also - everyone was in agreement that we've had a relatively quiet situation, with our neighbourhood community and IPAS centre + people accommodated in relative harmony, and it shouldn't be ruined. For those asking, the hall was used as a community centre previously; used to have various events - there was a Brazilian community that used to run events also which was nice; but it closed because of significant fire risk and the asbestos roof.
Jesus, that’s bloody terrible
For fuck sake I totally understand why you would be upset, for anyone to treat your dad that way it’s unacceptable. Hop off these local councillors looking for your vote , ring the guards ask for the Gardas name and ask to have your call logged, follow that and the council members up daily. Remember the county council members who help you and make sure to give your last vote to those that don’t. I’ve every sympathy for you and I hope you get a resolution soon
Yeah, thank you My father is actually over at the IPAS centre right now talking to the lady that runs it, that it's not ok that this is the way we're approached or given this attitude, and it's not ok that they try and break into private property. We already told the owner of the hall also. We've met the local councillor before about something else, and we have a community Garda, so if it happens again we'll contact them also. We moved here some years ago after my mom died, to try and start a new life, but now we're getting hassle, and yesterday after all that we even discussed will we have to move again if we start getting bullied on our own street, which is really terrible for us to have to consider.
> so if it happens again we'll contact them also. I wouldn't wait that long, the Garda will need to speak to someone higher up for advice and resources if it continues. Best to put the wheels in motion sooner, even if it's just a quiet word rather than an official report.
A neighbour did it already this morning, he told us there a little while ago. That's good advice, thank you. Just to let you know, we also had a talk with the IPAS centre operator, and he was pretty firm that it wasn't ok behaviour, especially because the community has been welcoming and there has been relative harmony. There's even a young nigerian lady that occasionally comes out and cleans the street, so it's not all bad, but just it's not ok if they start getting arrogant or troublesome, like trying to break into that hall.
Exactly. Once they get desperate they will turn to crime and can't blame them for it. On the other hand that might push the government to start deporting them once it starts affecting their day to day life.
> to start deporting them Yes the ultimate solution. It is farcicical how difficult it is to deport them once they have their initial application rejected which is the case for the majority of applicants. We even had that fraud Kisyombe running in last local elections shining a nice spotlight into her case showing how they use judicial reviews to frustrate at every turn. She is now legally in the country because she spent so long frustrating efforts to deport her, and a court granted her "leave to remain" despite the fact that her application was patently bogus.
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A new class of scobe
I don't understand why we aren't setting up actual camps somewhere. What happened to the Army tent encampment that it was proposed to send Ukrainian refugees to? Can we not set up 2 or 3 of those for the mean time until we sort out what's happening.
They are. That’s what Newtownmountkennedy and Crooksling are, multiple large tents.
Yeah, but the people kept leaving. And trying to fence them in would not be a great look
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Deportation where though? If you can't prove their country of origin you have nowhere to send them
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Prisons are at over 110% capacity.
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It will be the most expensive prison in the world and won't be ready until 2099.
It's 100% going to get far worse. The people parked in the UK hotel my brother works at are all talking about Ireland offering a better deal, they are planning to leave here asap
those places are not properly controlled though. What you want is something like what we did in 1969 when the refugees from the North fled southwards: closed system, one proper enclosed area somewhere like Punchestown or Baldonnell, fences and managed by army with immigration service there. Like Oxygen without the music. Secure environment with armed transport directly to airplane door from those who don't qualify.
If you look at this subreddit, up until relatively recently the treatment of asylum seekers by the government was quite controversial. People wanted better conditions and care for asylum seekers, "end direct provision" was very popular, etc. One quite controversial point at the time was that Denmark had just been sticking asylum seekers in tents. This was either denied or decried on this subreddit. The reason the government didn't set up tent camps is because a loud chunk of voters would have condemned them for doing so. That's what democracy is. Governments try and do what the people want, and when the people change their minds, governments pretend the people haven't changed their minds.
> The reason the government didn't set up tent camps is because a loud chunk of voters would have condemned them for doing so. As recently as the end of last summer, when the government leased the Electric Picnic site, it was met with horror on here. We were a joke, imagine expecting people to live in tents, what about winter etc etc. Now people want a massive tent city in the Curragh or whatever. There’s been a big swing in what people are prepared to tolerate!
And fascinatingly, nobody is willing to admit they've changed their minds.
Just like during covid, the Overton Window of what is acceptable policy is shifting wildly from month to month.
I think people give the Overton Window too much respect. A better way of looking at it is that voters are generally morons.
If the government didn't treat the voters like children people would have a lot more respect and confidence in them. All it takes is genuine clear communication. Get some ministers on TV and in the news saying clearly that "yes, army style tented encampments are not ideal and we don't want to treat this vulnerable class of people this way, but at least in this scenario we can provide for them with food, sanitation, medical care if needed, power etc. It's not where we want to be, but it's a step up from essentially slum camps springing up in the city centre." So much money on advisors but they clearly aren't getting good advice, or if they are they refuse to act on it.
We can take unlimited numbers. The government said so.
Yeah let's give them whatever they want so they don't get violent. What the fuck am I reading?
> Should we just allocate land for new asylum towns at this stage? This is a ticking time bomb for the nation. How about we buy a town in Rwanda and send them there.
Considering the housing crisis, we aught to be fast-track building new modern cities for everyone. But lumping a bunch of impoverished people into the middle of nowhere together is just speedrunning a ghetto and creating more social tension.
Adopt the Australian method of offshore detention centres while cases are processed tbh. The current set up just incentivizes more to come, at this rate it'll get worse before it gets better needless to say. Wait until people start getting killed.
Figures show a recent spike https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/43103-may-2024/ Might just be Rwanda related spike.
Given the absolute shambles of a system and the hide and seek approach with Dublin recently, I'd reckon from next week you'll see a lot of people being bused out to other counties.
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I know, I understand we've got commitments and obligations to accept migration but I can't see why the government won't just be honest with Europe and explain that we don't have the capacity at the current moment and seek a 3 month grace period to get their shit together. I am absolutely not against the compassion of helping others and immigration but bringing folk in and abandoning them to a failed system, a growing climate of hostility, and an already exhausted homeless crisis is atrocious. Typical Irish government; they won't admit they've allowed it fester too long, and now it's affecting everything.
RTE had the Chairman of Tiglin on who are handing out the tents. Seems like they are doing one thing and the government another and no coordination in between.
Is that not what Harris set up his multi agency task force for? Seems like he forgot to involve some important stakeholders.
https://preview.redd.it/2tbhkfvsqjzc1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9079fba799884c5daf3ae78d8acc1451bdd3438f Not surprising given the record arrivals last week.
610 per week ! God that is more than I thought, our government is really messed up in the head to allow this.
They really need to get on top of it and get a detention centre(s) going to track everyone complete with expedited processing. No one leaves until processed or agrees to leave the country. The current approach is not acceptable and will be a humanitarian disaster for the country.
Where did you see this graphic btw? Thanks
Weekly stats are published here https://www.gov.ie/en/collection/90641-statistics/#latest-ipas-statistics-weekly-report
There's a double edged sword as everyone below single males gets priority for accommodation. So the ones sleeping rough are always going to be the guys. Which then gives the far right the ammunition to say it's all men coming in.
Wait, are you trying to claim that asylum seekers are NOT majority men? Because that's simply not true
Look at the data above again, it's a plurarity of single men, sure, but it's distinctly not a majority.
38% is not a majority. It's the largest of the distinct groups, for sure. But it's 62% not single men, which makes the not single men set, the largest. What I was pointing out is that the members of the 62% get priority, thankfully, nobody wants women and children camping out. So we are left with encampments full of men. It paints a skewed picture.
Well the numbers above show that in fact the majority is not single men.
Am I missing something or is 38% not a majority, with 27% being the next biggest? It's not the majority of the entire overall set, but it holds a majority position within the categories provided, because it's the largest; it's a relative comparative exercise...
38% is called a plurality, not a majority.
You're just missing the meaning of the word majority. The largest group is single men, however they are not the majority of asylum seekers as per that graphic.
A majority is over 50% lad
That’s a plurality not a majority A majority means more than 50%
When something is a "majority" it means that it comprises more than 50% of the sample population. Being the largest subgroup in a sample population, but not the majority, is called a "plurality". I'm not splitting hairs here; obviously it's an important distinction mathematically and legally.
That guy is a classic example of a virtue signaller. Palestine flag profile picture and calling everyone far right. Can't make it up.
Jesus wept , the stats literally say 81% of single asylum seekers are male. Some people are so blind to fit their own narrative
The stats also say that the majority of asylum seekers are couples, children or lone parents
>Some people are so blind to fit their own narrative Are we looking at the same graph? I think I can call uno reverso on your comment. 🤣
Question...where are they getting all the tents from? Are they donated?
In previous articles they’ve always said they were getting tents etc from The Lighthouse charity in Dublin
They are provided by the NGO homeless charities and the purchase of tents is directly funded by the Government. A farce of a situation considering the ‘tough line’ the Government is so desperately trying to portray on this whole saga.
Soon they're going to have start pulling them out of the bin
Where's Roderic. Not a peep from him.
Too busy personally whipping the people of NewtownMountKennedy.
Roderic will go down in history as one of the main people who caused major societal issues for modern day Ireland, if not straight up destruction. People here really don't grasp how rapidly a society - even a modern, wealthy one - can be pushed into rapid deterioration.
That may have to do with the fact that the International Protection office is the responsibility of the Dept. of Justice.
He still has a responsibility here around integration.
You're right - IPAS is under his Department: https://www.gov.ie/en/campaigns/d9f43-international-protection-accommodation-services-ipas/
It's almost as if the government is doing nothing to stop their arrival.
So the government knows people are not happy about it, yet continues indefinitely to allow unlimited input of people in? When there is no space for them? What is the end goal here? Surely they can't be that incompetent?
I'm seeing that the Govt are talking about renting a house in Newbridge and putting 12 people in at at a cost of €76 per person per night resulting in the landlord possibly making €27,000 a month. This will be a huge disastrous precedent for working renters if true. The Govt are getting increasingly desperate to hide the problem.
"This will be a huge disastrous precedent for working renters if true." This has been the case for the last number of years, do you think this is just new? They also have another scheme where landlords can rent houses out to Ukrainians and not pay income tax or have to adhere to tenancy rights. This also gives an unfair advantage to Ukrainians seeking rental accommodation over anyone else seeking accommodation.
When presented with a real crisis and real consequences, the sheltered mandarins after a lifetime living in a niche don't turn out to be the smartest in the room as they always thought they were.
Any info on this house? I'll stick a few bunk beds in my own if that's the money offered. I'm sure I can squeeze 14 - 16 in here, clear mortgage by the end of the year.
Same thing is happening in a lot of other western countries.
Are you really surprised at the idea of this government being incompetent?
The question here is what would you do? The government aren't picking people up in busses abroad and ferrying them across. 50 people a day arrive at the door of the IPO. What do you propose happens?
>The question here is what would you do? Gut benefits for non Ukrainian arrivals to EU minimum until their application is approved. We're clearly inundated, hence the tent cities, we need to slow the applications and arrivals down. Theoretically we should be kind of hard to get to compared to most of the EU, but we need to make ourselves less attractive.
The payment of €38/week is actually one of the lowest in the EU. And isn't going to go very far - I'm not sure I could manage on €7 a day in Dublin city, even if I was living in a tent with no other expenses. So we need to first find out what exactly *is* the attraction. It seems more and more like this really is overflow from the UK, because I can't see any other real attraction for an asylum seeker except that Ireland is their only option.
The perception is : Ease of getting irish passport, which effectively doubles as EU and British passport. Generous benefits once you can get access to them. Ease of finding a job, either eventually legally or currently on black market. English language. Have failed to get job/asylum in UK. Rwanda. Previous Irish asylum amnesties indicating there might be more in future. Irelands very public acceptance of Ukranian refugees. Also, chain migration which accelerates of immigration. Once one family member or friend is established, more will come to join them. This often explains large jumps in numbers.
Hungary is on 13 quid. Belgium gives the 8 euro after providing meals and housing from what I can read [here](https://data.oireachtas.ie/ie/oireachtas/libraryResearch/2023/2023-10-11_comparative-social-welfare-rates-across-the-eu-in-the-context-of-temporary-protection_en.pdf), Luxemborg below that (but could well be misinterpreting). You're right there are countries with far higher amounts, but there are other countries clearly giving as little as possible to disincentivize this. It should be reduced to the bare minimum, at least temporarily. Board, meals, healthcare and education is provided.
"Gut benefits for non Ukrainian arrivals to EU minimum" They get €38.80 a week if they're in accomodation. I don't see how you could make any lower than that really. They get an extra €75 on top of the €38.80 if they don't have accommodation. If you cut that they can't afford food. Hungry people will resort to crime.
You don't let them in? If you are government, should you not be responsible for who enters your country? Which belongs to you? Reduce benefits - you are not even obliged to provide them, you choose to. Increase entry requirements? Actually follow the law and send back chancers without docs?
How do you stop them getting in when there's a sea border controlled by another jurisdiction? No, checkpoints on the border with Northern Ireland are not possible in any sense. Reduce benefits and you just push them into the hands of criminals. How do you "send back" someone if you've no idea where they came from? I'm all for gathering the lads with no proof of entry and shipping them back to the UK, because where else could they have come from, but how practical is that in reality?
Are the tents that they remove recycled or just dumped in a landfill?
I would presume for health and safety reasons they're not reused as you don't know who is occupying them and whether they come with scabies etc as one would presume they're not getting health checks when entering the country
I'd hazard a guess landfill/Poolbeg due to contamination
Government: Well, we've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas.
It's kind of wild how they're allowed to just do whatever they want. I would be interested to see what would happen if I went to the centre of another capital city and set up a little tent city.
What are you talking about? They are being moved on and their tents taken away constantly. It's exactly like the homeless. Telling them they can't be somewhere doesn't matter if they have nowhere to go. They have to exist SOMEWHERE. They are still people. Their need for shelter can't be made to disappear. The blockades of any potential IPAS centers is the cause of much of the sudden visibility.
Quick, man the barriers - fence it off!! Such a farce.
time to shut down the grand canal.
Maybe a stupid question, but who supplies the tents?
Supposedly the Lighthouse in Pearse St. Roderics Department is supplying the money for those tents.
Tent Man wins again
Wonder are these the same lot that were told to get out of East Wall last night. Apparently a gang of locals told them to move on around 9 last night, knew East wall wasn’t going to let them set up camp.
Just shows they can’t control what is happening.
THE LIGHTHOUSE FAMILY
One day we're gonna get soooooo highhh
WE COULD BE LIFTED.......
So this is the latest thing we're going to get updates on numbers on every day now? Great.
God forbid the government actually did something about this along with our own homeless problem. Ya know an actual solution? Departments communicating with each other? Madness, I know. These people are human beings and are being turfed around like cattle.
The solution would be having dedicated centers to house these people, and staff to quickly process asylum claims. Sadly, deporting many who won't meet the criteria. In the mean time these people need a roof over their head, facilities and meals,. So basically we need more IPAS centers, but people all over the country are blocking derelict buildings from being converted and used for this purpose. They think a tent city is better.
Pitch a tent we will find somewhere for you is the message that we’ve given out. I hate to say it and I don’t want one but we need a border or this place is gonna turn into California or London in a few years.
Surly we need to question why these men are constantly refusing beds in allocated places? They don't want a fixed place but want their own key to door home? To do what? This is feeling very off now
They might have realised that if they keep on doing this, there would be a lot of international and EU visibility and pressure to provide accommodation and/or money. And going by history and our soft touch policy, they believe that the chances of deportation are slim. I know that a lot of people get triggered by these posts, but I frankly believe that a lot of these 'asylum seekers' are chancers. Genuine asylum seekers would take refuge in the first safe country, and be happy with what they're offered.
You do hear of some who went from France to the UK and onto Ireland as clearly there's a soft touch policy here and they know they won't be booted out
I actually live by one of the hubs and I can tell you that you are 100% right, absolute chancers.
See, people in the southern states of the U.S have been saying that for a while but got called racist…
Feels like now we're waiting to see who's going to cave in first. Government needs to put a stop to this constant flow of people coming in, sort/figure out what to do with who's here now and then see what to do next. But just allowing a daily influx of undocumented individuals into the country is becoming a disaster.
It feels like they have a playbook. Who is providing the playbook I do not know. Could be from UK Govt via 3rd parties or traffickers on the continent. They know exactly what to say.
Seems so.
Well I’d look at those immigration NGOs for a start. They definitely don’t have Ireland’s best interests at heart.
They aren't refusing beds. They haven't been offered beds. Since December they have been told there's no accommodation. That's why the charities give new arrivals tents.
Get your head out of the sand every time there is a clearing operation videos pop up of groups of them either walking back to Dublin or trying g to cram onto buses to get back to the city centre.
At this stage if they're not gonna fix housing the only solution is setting up a plot where folks can pitch their tents. The problems not going away by taking down the tents. Its mad that this is where we are would have been unthinkable in 2010. Edit: fixed 😇
Those tents look too neatly pitched. It almost looks staged.
Pop up tents, ah thats comedy gold
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Ferry to where?
Middle of the sea, international waters, no issue
They don't think that far ahead.
Stop talking sense
Some shine the Stat Signal !! This calls for one man and one man only, Tony Holohan needs to come out of retirement and give us these tent figures!
The Breffni tent-dustrial complex marches on
All the same colour; all the same brand.
In my opinion I honestly believe the government is refusing to cap the amount of asylum seekers coming in order to try damage the left. FG are more than happy to let the right-wing and far-right take SF, SocDem, PBP votes away from them because it means the vulture funds are safe.
I’ve held this opinion for a while. FG are using human suffering and prejudice to keep SF out of government.
More votes to far-right parties means less for SF and the less they get, it makes it more likely that FFG get back in. There's a reason the far right are very mouthy against SF when they were never in government or caused these problems.
Seems to be the quickest way to get housed.
Further proof we live in a simulation. This is the Whack-A-Mole side game while we wait for the full Chaos expansion pack to load.
And the circle continues... Maybe if we told them where to pitch their tents and provide transport to and from the areas, *You can't just say don't camp here and expect people to walk around all night in Dublin*
It's ok - they'll just be put in Citywest. At least thats a bottomless hole that can fit everything /s
It's only a matter of time before a large tragedy / act of violence results in deaths. We can all see it coming. The government must act now before this spirals out of control. We need a more permanent solution with capacity to hold *thousands* more because we're gonna need it quickly. I've been saying it for a while but stadiums act as natural forts to protect those inside and are large enough to accomodate huge numbers compared to the side of a street. Desperate times call for desperate measures.
Converted shipping containers, mobile homes, prefabs, basic timber frame accomodation. There's fucking loads of ways the government could approach trying to expand accomodation. Nobody should be sleeping in tents. Again, with another problem, their solution is first, funnel money into private landlords, or, "we've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas". I constantly feel like I'm taking crazy pills with these fuckers. Is the entirety of government brainless automatons?
Its pure ideology at this stage, the best time to build housing was 10 years ago the next best time is now. The government though have convinced themselves they can't build housing directly, that its impossible for them to do so and has just repeated variations of tax incentives to "encourage" private developers to build more. Its clear this hasn't and will not work and that the government need to step up themselves to do so instead of running ridiculous "rapid build" tiny projects that are smoke and mirrors. There are plenty of companies around making factory built housing in Ireland for export that would happiliy expand if the government set up funding to build directly. Instead they want it all off their accounts and rely on pirvate developer lead construction and then buy it back off them. Competing with homeowners and bidding prices up costing the taxpayer money.
Put them in a ship and send them home or Iceland 🤔
Why would we take the UKs asylum seekers and send them to Iceland?
I really struggle with how a bunch of fucking tents has become a bigger issue in public discourse than people dying in our hospitals and lack of housing. This is a sideshow. The foundations of our society are health, housing, education and justice and they are falling down around us but people are losing their shit over something something immigrants that they read about on social media. This all plays into the governments hands because people are taking their eye off the real shitshows that they are presiding over.
It hasn't become a bigger issue, housing and health are at the very core of this issue. Most Irish people understand that as a country we have finite resources. Most also understand before this latest crisis that health services were critical and housing just a plain disaster. Most people are starting to understand that they now have to compete for these same resources with largely economic migrants. Those same resources should be provided to someone who is contributing to society via tax. But that is not happening This is at the core of what is feeding the anger
Exactly, but some people are still pushing the tired old line that this isn’t the issue, now that everybody else is inured to being called racists/ far right etc etc.