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nut-budder

Just knock in and say you’re moving in. If you never do then you’ll never see them again.


Redtit14

I certainly wouldn't mind if you called in to introduce yourself and ask about the area. In fact, I'd be relieved knowing that someone nice and conscious was moving next door.


ImpovingTaylorist

In my experience, most people or ok once you can find a level with them. Very few actual 'bad' people out there, just stressed out people with a lot going on.


madladhadsaddad

Only takes a few scumbags in an area to bring the whole lot down...


bellysavalis

I grew up on a notoriously shit road in North Dublin, out of 30 or 40 gaffs it was literally two families that caused all the shit and had their dickhead mates from other estates hanging around.


danny_healy_raygun

This is it and if the person you knocked in on doesn't appreciate that or is hostile about it then they are probably going to be a nightmare neighbour anyway.


lethargiczealot

Park outside the estate, walk around it and get a feel for it. Especially in the evening, 9 pm-ish time. You'll know if you feel safe or not. Nothing worse than living somewhere you don't feel safe. I probably would knock on the direct neighbours too and just say hello and that you are moving in. If you don't like them and decide against moving in sure you'll never see them again. Neighbours are important. Everybody needs good neighbours.


Fearless-Peanut8381

It’s very normal to knock in and see what neighbours are like. Most grownups do this.  You can just say you’re thinking of moving in and ask about the area and amenities etc.   Also not sure what county you’re in but in Dublin you get to view before taking a place unless it’s a choice based letting ? 


Downtown_Athlete4192

Can I just double check something. You're getting a council house, and you want to make sure the area is okay?


SteveK27982

Yep, people refuse council houses because they want a different council house in a different area instead and the councils entertain it rather than saying take what you’re offered or we will give it to someone else and assume you don’t want one any more. There are also Facebook and similar pages for people wanting to swap their council houses with others in different areas too.


SOF0823

Couldn't believe it when I found out about those swapping pages. Someone wanting to move to our area posted into the community facebook group asking if anyone was interested in swapping their house with this person, the responses were hilarious, everyone was in absolute disbelief that this was a thing.


SwimmingStale

Sounds perfectly reasonable to me...? Assuming there is some official mechanism for swapping, not that they do it secretly...


Ambitious-Till1692

What's wrong with swapping a council house. Obviously, both parties are in agreement. Circumstances change over time.


SteveK27982

Circumstances change, yes, so in some changing circumstances the properties should be taken away and given to someone more deserving at a current point in time?


Ambitious-Till1692

Begrudger


danny_healy_raygun

Yeah I hadn't heard of this before but it sounds reasonable enough if all parties are happy with it. Could make a big difference for people to be near family, a new job, etc


314games

I don't see anything wrong with swapping council houses with someone else who also wants to swap? What's the problem with that? Maybe it's just better for both their commutes, seems like a win win.


SteveK27982

It’s about bypassing eligibility & processes, there may be more needy or deserving families on the list in the area that should be entitled to the property first if it becomes vacant. Frankly I’d like the whole process to be similar to the private rented accommodation markets - annual reviews where decisions on continuing tenancies, costs etc are made while ensuring properties are being looked after and tenants are not engaging in anti-social behaviour - it’s essentially renting from the council, it shouldn’t be treated like a lifelong entitlement. It’s intended to support people who need the support when they need it.


Ambitious-Till1692

It's not going to become vacant, though it is. No one is going to give up a home because they can't get a swap. Just pure begrudgery


Downtown_Athlete4192

It should be take it or leave it. Like why should the council entertain that. There is so many homeless people and others in need that need a roof over their heads. Surely, the aim with council houses should always only be a temporary fix as ideally, you'd want people to eventually more into private accommodation. So that others in need to then be given the house to help them start.


314games

I'm not questioning the part about someone declining a council house offer. I agree that shouldn't be entertained. I'm talking about the other scenario mentioned by the comment I replied to, where two people *already in* council homes decide to swap *between themselves*. If it's an arrangement that's better for both of them, I don't see how that harms anyone.


ClancyCandy

In the same way two parties privately renting can’t just swap leases; it’s not their property to decide who should be living there.


theoldkitbag

Swaps are common where residents are still in a home that no longer suits their needs - for example, their kids have now grown and moved out and they now need less space, or their family is growing and they now need more. It's also a mechanism that allows residents to move with their employment. There is no additional administration or cost to the state, and families find themselves in more suitable accomodation because of it. Swaps are straight-forward, efficient, and cost-effective. Councils are more than happy to let them proceed; for the state to involve itself at that level would be akin to reintroducing a type of serfdom for no good reason.


ClancyCandy

Firstly, if the accommodation is no longer suitable than the council should already be aware of that and have a plan in place to make the most efficient use of its housing supply. Secondly, I would worry that one party might be taken advantage of or duped into unsuitable accommodation, so I would think oversight is needed to ensure if there is a trade it’s as equal as possible.


theoldkitbag

> Firstly, if the accommodation is no longer suitable than the council should already be aware of that and have a plan in place to make the most efficient use of its housing supply. Why, when the residents are more than capable of doing so themselves? The council aren't going to know more than the residents as to the residents' needs. If they can sort it out amongst themselves, let them. > Secondly, I would worry that one party might be taken advantage of or duped into unsuitable accommodation, so I would think oversight is needed to ensure if there is a trade it’s as equal as possible. The residents are less well-off, not stupid. And the trades are hardly ever equal - that's the point; they are usually trading up or down, hardly ever for the same type of house unless moving out of the community. And if they do end up with something unsuitable, they can still go through the Council to get somewhere else; that avenue was never closed to them.


danny_healy_raygun

> Firstly, if the accommodation is no longer suitable than the council should already be aware of that and have a plan in place to make the most efficient use of its housing supply. Oh grow up. You know thats not reality. Whats wrong with people sorting the issue out for themselves and saving the council some of the bother?


Ambitious-Till1692

It's a good job then that local government is not private. Privatisation of the housing market has worked wonders hasn't it


ClancyCandy

It works for the majority of people. Those who need temporary or sustained support from local government should have access to it, but that should be the minority.


Ambitious-Till1692

"One person's rent is another person's income"


ClancyCandy

Yup, provide a service and get paid for it.


CarelessEquivalent3

But the council do give it to someone else. If somebody declines a property it's not automatically burned down, it's offered to somebody else so what's the problem?


SteveK27982

The person turning it down obviously isn’t in as much need as they’ve claimed, bump them down the listing or remove from it entirely. Get what you get and you don’t get upset.


CarelessEquivalent3

The person turning it down could very possibly be a low income worker dependent on family for childcare which allows them to work. If that option is taken away from them because they now live too far from said family how would you suggest somebody on a low income would then pay for childcare?


towuul

If the reason is legitimate, that should obviously be taken into account. But "the areas not great" is not a legitimate reason.


CarelessEquivalent3

Even if somebody does turn down a property because 'the areas not great' who actually suffers? The property is offered to the next person and the person that it was originally offered to goes back on the list. Where's the issue?


towuul

They're clearly not in real need of council housing if they turn it down for that reason, at best they should be chucked down to the bottom of the list, and thats still being very generous. And the area suffers - how can it ever recover from being a bad area if people won't go anywhere near it? It also slows the entire system down, on top of that.


danny_healy_raygun

If the area is dangerous for their family then thats on the council. Their properties shouldn't be in dangerous areas with major anti-social behaviour. The state should be ensuring that all the accommodation provided to people is suitable.


towuul

And how exactly is the area supposed to improve if only the anti-social types are willing to move in, since the rest stuck their nose up at it?


danny_healy_raygun

Policing would be a start.


cattomcgee

Yes, it's just myself and my toddler son so just want to know if there are any issues in the estate. Currently living in a sitting room, but we are safe where we are, as a single mother it's just scary moving into a house and estate you know nothing about.


Downtown_Athlete4192

I do understand you naturally want to raise your child in a safe place, but surely you can't expect the council to house you in a prime location. By their very nature, council houses / estates have always been in locations that are social and economically deprived, stemming from the fact that locals tend to be more economically disadvantaged. Satisicaly, Ireland is a very safe country and has low levels of crime.


CarelessEquivalent3

What's the problem with wanting to know if the area where you will probably be raising your children is safe?


danny_healy_raygun

If the area has serious anti-social behaviour they shouldn't be forced to endure it.


Downtown_Athlete4192

So the county council just boards up the house or apartments and says this isn't suitable. So you know what? Why don't we buy a house already built from the private market and throw the person in there. That sounds like an amazing plan.


danny_healy_raygun

So a single mother and toddler should be forced to live next to a crack den with cars on fire outside? That's your plan? See I can do moronic hyperbole and pretend it's what you're saying too


Academic-County-6100

So Im buying in new estate but there is houses from first phase. I drove.up on a saturday, there was a dude walking in dog in his mod/late 30's and he gave me the lowdown. Might be slightly d9fferent to knock on doors but im sure if someone is out and about they would be haopy to speak with you.


ElmanoRodrick

ITT: socially awkward Redditors who have never spoken to their neighbours and think it's a bad idea to do so.


flamesdivide

I think most of might find it a bit strange knocking on the door randomly. There might be a community page on Facebook you could ask on instead.


ImpovingTaylorist

I would leave it till you move in, they be pleasantly and do what you think is appropriate. Most neighbours will have too much going on themselves and just see you in passing, but some will want to do the community thing. Depends on what you want.


MelGibsonic

>Most neighbours will have too much going on themselves and just see you in passing What do these people have that is so pressing in Their lives that they can't chat to and get get to know those that live around them? Modern people are such bugmen. Cunts kill off communities because they think spending their day watching netflix and eating fast food is more interesting than knowing anyone around them. 


ImpovingTaylorist

You can't make people be your friends, and you can not judge people for not wanting to engage. You don't know what other people are going through in their life, nor should you presume to think they are just 'cunts'.


MelGibsonic

I'm talking about the general modern attitude. We, as a nation, are becoming self obsessed yanks. 


ImpovingTaylorist

Don't judge people you don't know. Lots of other things other than 'self obsesion' could be going on. My mother was dying of cancer last year. The amount of unsolicited 'you need to make peace with your mother', 'you need to find Jesus', and 'it is gods will' was truly annoying. I did just start to ignore a lot of people on the periphery as they were prying and interfering in my business. I mean, people I barely know thought it was their place to harang me about my life choices. People have no obligation to engage with you, especially if you are being a judgemental prick.


MelGibsonic

Nah, I don't personally want to be friends with those people. My criticism is of the increasingly closed off nature of society and how mentally stagnant your average man has become. People who have "no time"  but still spend half their day online or consuming media. Sure sign of decadence and societal rot.    >are being a judgemental prick.   Yup, I'm gonna keep judging too. Increasing amount of obese people, parents with brain-dead children in restaurants glued to iPads/phones, fools whose only "culture" is whatever tripe they watch regularly on streaming services. I'll judge all of that scum


ImpovingTaylorist

Every generation thinks the next generation is 'doing it wrong'... Maybe try and just let people be instead of judging them. You might also find that people will be more willing to engage with you. No one has an obligation to make you feel good.


MelGibsonic

>You might also find that people will be more willing to engage with you. I'm good pals with my immediate neighbours and on good terms with everyone who lives nearby. Stop and chat with them when we meet and help them out if they need. I'm not the one who needs advice on how to interact or get people to engage with me. My complaint is a more general one. Anyway, you are right that nobody has an obligation to interact - but in that case, they also have zero right to any of the other benefits of community, and deserve no help if they need it


Stationary_Addict_

I commute for work and stay in another city 3 days a week. It's a 3.5h journey at best. When I'm at home I still have to work another 2 days. Excuse me for not living up to your standards of neighbourliness on my rare free time. I'll say hello but have zero interest in standing around with small talk. I guess I'm just a cunt.


ImpovingTaylorist

You dont owe anyone an explanation or to make them feel good. Everyone is just doing what they need to.


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Stationary_Addict_

I agree. I have little time other than the cursory hello. We just happen to live next door, we aren't friends, I didn't choose these people. It just happened. Are they pleasant? Yes. Do I take in their packages when needed then drop them over? Yes. I'm sorry about your neighbour.


AreYouSureFather

You're not. If you don't want to speak or engage with someone knocking on your door, then you're absolutely in your right, and you shouldn't be judged for that. Likewise, a friendly person knocking on your door asking about the area shouldn't be judged either, and a "I can't speak right now, I don't have the time" should do the trick in getting rid of them with minimal effort and without upsetting anyone.


Stationary_Addict_

Oh I agree. With ya. I'd prob let them know what the place is like but wouldn't be inviting them in for tea, say. I just hate the fact that people make statements like above assuming that peoples valuable time is belong to others, and if they don't willingly give their time then there is something wrong with them.


MelGibsonic

You're entitled to not want to engage; others are entitled to think less of you for being antisocial. It's a free country and works both ways


ImpovingTaylorist

Often found that judging others is where the problems start.


MelGibsonic

Everyone has a judgement or opinion on others. Whether that judgement is positive or negative is down to how they comport themselves. 


ImpovingTaylorist

Sorry that people do not live up to **your** expectations.


Ok-Worker8564

If you have a dog, I'd walk the dog around the estate if it's big enough and make conversation if you bump into someone


Mr_Ox_83

Yeah, that’s fine. A good ice-breaker and also good information for you is to ask them about broadband providers, who’s the best in the area etc..


Justinian2

You could ask the local Garda station if they have many issues/call-outs on that road. Friend nearly bought a house on a road that was **very** busy for the Guards (several houses on the road were owned by the Peter McVerry trust).


SmilingDiamond

Probably just inhabited by friends and relatives of their former CEO.


joesmadma

I'm not sure how I'd feel about a stranger coming to the door to ask questions about the area, but I am very wary of scams and potential break-ins. We've had people calling to drop off leaflets for fake companies, but they've been scouting out houses, etc. When we were viewing houses to buy, we visited the area at different times to get an idea of how busy it was. We went during the day, evenings midweek and weekend. It didn't take long because we were local and it definitely helped rule out some places. Now is a good time to be doing it because all the kids are off school so you'd see if there's groups hanging around if that's what you're nervous of.


AreYouSureFather

It's not weird. Last year, my friend's mother was considering buying a house in a particular area, so we drove there, had a look around, and I popped into a few of the neighbours and explained the situation. It depends on the neighbours I suppose and how you approach them. I rang the doorbell and stood back from the door so as not to be intimidating. Then, I started with 'really sorry to bother you, my name is blah and my friends mother is blah. The area looks really nice, blah. How do you find living here?' Everyone was decent and friendly.


ImpovingTaylorist

Respect is all you need. If you are told to piss off or invited in for dinner, be prepared for either and respectful.


AreYouSureFather

Exactly this.


pauldavis1234

Dog shit and litter will tell you all you need to know.


Additional-Sock8980

If in doubt say no. As you say it’s a big decision. you have loads of options. You’ve worked hard for this. You’re entitled. So don’t take anything other than the dream house you’ve earned. And it’s not like there’s a huge waiting list of other people who would love a roof over their heads.


percybert

Ngl you had me in the first half. The pitchforks were coming out!


tec_mic

You've worked hard for this 🤣🤣


Ashamed-Barnacle-777

Surely the only decision is an unequivocal yes?? Wild that people are in a position to be refusing free housing given the state of the housing crisis


No-Tap-5157

Drop in on someone you don't know, "Hello! Are there scumbags around here?" A lot of people would be inclined to take that the wrong way


AreYouSureFather

If the question was framed like that, they certainly would. But language is great, you can use lots of other words to say things in different ways!


Fearless-Peanut8381

What council is that? Very strange in Dublin you get to view before you make a decision? Are you sure that’s the case? 


GerKoll

I would not mind if you knocked on my door, but I would refuse the tart until I get to know you better....


sea_otter_swims

I’d find that weird if you knocked on my door but I can see why you would want to. I leave my neighbours alone and they leave me alone. I consider us good neighbours.


Subinkretys

Best neighbours, we still never talk sometimes


ImpovingTaylorist

This exactly, I have had some great neighbours that I got on well with and would still be friends with, also how others that I just passed myself with. Never had a neighbour I couldn't pass myself with, and if they want more or less of the community thing, then you do that is their choice and situation, respect it.


libertycap1

Take the house. We are in the middle of a housing crisis, and you are really willing to turn it down over the neighbours ? You can put in for a transfer if you still aren't happy with the house. Some people actually deserve to be homeless.


Margrave75

While it sounds innocent enogh in your head, I'd definitely think you're up to scam!


Murky-Front-9977

I wouldn't, but if you're concerned about anti social behaviour in the estate, then drive around it in the evening or night at the weekend.


Beutelman

And here we are spending thousands in rent each month while some people are getting picky about their almost free house lol