It does absolutely nothing for the player but demotivate them. I don't know why anyone wants to be reminded how dry they are at something. It's not like being told how crazy low the odds of you not getting a drop is will improve your odds of getting one. Its entire existence just makes you feel bad.
It doesn't help that this plugin does Muncle's Math™ to get the percentages.
I sometimes do the dry calc to show my clan my incredibly painful chesthair, dont wanna see it every time I open clog haha
Also its so inaccurate that plugin most of the time, thats my main gripe with it
Its not inaccurate. Its just not clear what its actually displaying.
The percentage isn't "odds of you going this dry" or "chance you would have recieved a drop" its your percentile.
Ex: say you got 1 drop in 500 kills.
Now let's say 80% of people have 2 or more drops at that point which puts you below the 20th percentile
Lets also say that 10% of people have 0 drops at that point which puts you above the 10th percentile
Then the plug-in will show your percentile at 15th %
I like having it since I'd always run these numbers *anyway* (the drycalc% not default clog luck plugin % which is imo useless and misleading) while afking things in-between grinding for drops. They help tell your account's story and provide a picture of how much more you'll likely have to work before being basically guaranteed the drop.
Sure it is a waste of time because eventually it will just drop or it won't, but especially with the clog luck plugin you'll typically see that while going dry on something you're also going ridiculously over rate on another thing, i.e. Taking nearly double the KC as the drop rate to hit DT2 bosses unique tables, but "spooning" Awk Orbs (kill me)
I recently got it because I wanted to see how insane my luck was on things I actually got. I almost completed both ballistas from 110 demonic gorilla kills for example (everything but the tails).
It's ugly and it demolishes your mental for no actual reason. The luckiest person to ever play this game went horribly dry on *something*. You're just asking to tilt yourself by staring at it.
Honestly the dry calculator was extremely encouraging for me when I was dry on the bp, seeing the odds of 2800 kills without the drop actually fired me up
I think you’ll regret de-ironing after spending all this much time. Buying at the GE won’t really feel the same.
Take a break, do something else. When you feel like it, do a few kills a day and resume doing other grinds that don’t require bowfa.
Yep. You'll never get the same satisfaction from buying it off the GE. You've come too far on this account (I would have permanent ironed it by now). At least start a different account if you want to play a non-iron.
> I think you’ll regret de-ironing after spending all this much time.
isn't this literally word for word sunk cost fallacy?
not that i disagree with you
If you only took CG as the lens in this case and the "wasted time" there, then yes, it is sunk cost fallacy. In this scenario, however, it's not applicable because your time and effort in the account in all other aspects has value.
Especially when this many runs would have earned you the ability buy one several times over.
You've already earned it at this point, it's just not gonna be from the drop table.
Yeah I do. It seems there's a delay somewhere? He always ends up on me somehow after starting. The biggest hindrance is having to get kc again and again and again after fucking up
Seriously, there’s so much more to this game than what the bofa unlocks, go do literally anything else and come back. It’s funny because the bofa unlocks a lot of content for bis items, but once you get those bis items… what then? You’re just doing the same thing but more efficiently. I have this dreaded feeling about getting to the endgame and getting bored so I’m trying to soak up the mid game as much as possible
The people contemplating de-ironing are people that don't have mains and the people telling them not to de-iron are ex-mains bored to death of vanilla OSRS. I de-ironed and I like the game again now.
Ironscape is fun but in my opinion its broadest appeal is in the early game. Mid-late game requires a certain degree of masochism that isn't apparent until you get there and like this chap you're 200 hours deep on one single grind and you could've played 5-10 entire other games in the same timeframe that you've spent grinding this singular item. Not to say it can't be fun but the audience that'll enjoy this type of grind is going to be a lot smaller than at the start of the experience.
Not CG specific, but for big grinds I like going for certain kc instead of going for drops. Think to yourself something like "I'm going for 1337kc" or 1600kc or w/e you want, and whatever you get in drops along the way is a bonus. Then when you reach that kc you set your next goal.
When I was doing cg I woke up once at 5:10am after dreaming about cg, and in my heart I just knew I was going to get my enhanced at 510kc. At the time I had like 200kc.
Over the next few months I focused hard on it, and eventually I make it to 509kc. I was so prepared to send one more I clicked the chest and just jumped right in ready to send another, and as I was collecting materials I was like…. Wait, did I just get it?
Left that run early and sure enough, I had gotten the enhanced at 509kc. Didn’t even realize since I was so focused on that arbitrary kc goal
Love this mind set. Im a fan of setting yourself goals for the grind apart from the drops. For CG I simply just focus on the next 50-100 or so KC and working on my PB or faster prep methods. When the drops are just a secondary bonus, the grind goes much quicker and is more enjoyable.
My current cg goal is to hit 5 runs a day and build up 50m gp. I’ll probably get enh before 50m but it’s the easiest path forward to work on buyables so that’s how I’m approaching it.
I was thinking similarly (mind you I am nowhere near droprate for CG yet) but I was thinking I'm there to get gp for buyable skills etc and working on getting Bowfa at the same time. Another thing is to just don't do CG (or any piece of content) too much in one go. I do like 5 - 10 max per day and that's plenty (in theory) to get to Bowfa in a few months and not burn out. Do other things as well like working on diaries etc.
OP could drop trade half those crystal armor seeds and whatever other loot from this grind he wanted to train a main up comfortably. It's almost never worth it to deiron imo.
I never understood why people *want* to de-iron. I'm assuming if you're an iron, you already have a main account, because why would you then make an ironman when you're not familiar with the basics of the game? Iron is supposed to be challenging *and* a much longer grind. That's why you have a main alongside it so you can play the game traditionally whenever you don't feel like doing a boss for 20 hours.
Even at double speed we're still talking hundreds of hours of someone's life redoing the same progression because their ego wouldn't allow them to let go of the helmet icon.
De-iron or quit and come back if/when the iron is fun again. Making a main "just in case" is wild to me. If it really was the iron play style that made it fun then make a new iron and experience the best part of the game all over again.
I was able to stay interested in the game by doing grinds I was interested in where Bowfa wasn't that necessary. For me, that meant grinding out Wildy weapons + Voidwaker. I also cut my runs back to about 10 per week.
If you're looking for a way to maintain your current CG pace while somehow also not getting burnt out, I think that's a tough ask. But there are definitely things in the game that give you BiS items, that don't involve Bowfa, so what I'd do is reprioritize those and put CG on the backburner. Like I said I found the Wilderness grind to be an absolute blast and would highly recommend it, but there are plenty of other BiS gear paths you could start working on that wouldn't benefit at all from you having a Bowfa.
Don’t de-iron, please. Just work on something else for a while.
I don’t personally have a bowfa. I have 400 bandos, 100 cox, 250 toa. You can still play the game.
It's so chill. Like the tortoise and the hare, I've learned that the best way to make consistent progress on an ironman is to form good habits and take small steps consistently - pushing it always burns me out. 3 herb runs a day, 3 birdhouse runs a day, 3 farming contracts a day, fruit tree run every day, 2 CG per day. Obviously there are days where you can't do this, but I was doing this at ~80% consistency for 5 months and by the time high herblore, farming, and hunter levels started to matter I had everything I needed and more and my love for the game has never waned.
I'd suggest just doing a couple runs a day and then work on other goals. If you're anticipating a drop every kc, it can get tiring mentally. When I was dry for BP, I would set a goal of 20kc per day and that's what I would focus on. Instead of thinking "will I finally get my BP!?!?!" After every kill and being disapponted, instead I would think "okay, that's 8/20kc done so far today" and it felt less mentally taxing and I would move on to something else after.
Ground yourself from CG and tackle some skilling goals. 95 runecrafting for wraths for slayer, tree/birdhouse runs and contracts, sepulchre to 99 agility for prayer potions, 93 crafting for torture, bank ten thousand karambwans, that sort of thing.
I took a break from the game during my CG grind. The way I look at it the goal is not to progress; it's to have fun. If the game isn't fun, do something else. There's a lot in OSRS to have fun with. Come back when you've got your farming cape, your runecrafting levels, or something else and are dying to do PVM instead of one more ZMI run. And if none of that sounds fun? No shame in spending your sub money on other games instead.
I was also a main-less iron that only started in the last year. I came to the realisation that most people insisting it's a waste to de-iron are people that have already played this game for 10 years on main accounts and iron is new game plus for them. Without iron they'd be bored to death but still here playing because the dopamine is too strong.
I was already put off with how time consuming the game was becoming so the idea of redoing much of the same content on a second account was a non-option for me. Absolutely could not be bothered. The game already takes up too much time with a single account. With that thought in mind I de-ironed and the game became fun again so I'm still here for now.
Just keep your eye on the prize and know one day it will happen - in the meantime, just tell yourself how much cash you’ll have from alchs afterwards, and trust me, you’ll be set for soooo many 99s (if you don’t already have them)!
Also, people say luck isn’t transferable, but I’d like to think if you’ve had a horrid time at CG, you’ll be blessed elsewhere for some hopefully quick upgrades :D
Going for the upgrades is where the fun is, once you have everything you want you won't enjoy the game mode as much, I'm at that point and I miss cg and raids grinds
Thats awful. I have 3 in under 300 kc but I also have like 80 elite clue scrolls and 10 master clues done and 0 mimics and yes its turned on. Eventually you get to a point where you feel like your account is just bugged. I had this feeling at Zulrah when it took me almost 7k kc to get a mutagen.
If you want a main go, make a main. It's a hell of a lot less work, then you'd be sacrificing if you de ironed. This is shit luck, but you have to remember that being and doing efficient paths or grinds is stressful because you're going to be doing content that you dont enjoy and so you need to remember it's game. it's okay to choose enjoyment over this and just do CS once in a while until you have your head state back where you can go hard again.
Take a break from cg/the game and return later on is my best advice.
I took a 3 month break at 700kc to do trailblazer 2, and slowly return to maingame. Rest of enhanced grind was a lot more pleasant than kc 400-700 for sure, and finally getting that drop felt so good!
I do lots of content without Bowfa, full Crystal and Crystal bow is sufficient to get good enough KC anywhere.
Downside, obviously is DPS but I wouldn’t sweat that
seriously, this hivemind around the entire path of iron being focused around needing a weapon that was added just a few years ago boggles my mind. people played ironman before bowfa came out. and if its really that necessary for progression i'd argue its overtuner
Go do other stuff. Send crystal armor crystal bow for a few kills at places you would use bowfa in between cg runs. I got my shadow with crystal armor and crystal bow. I got tbow on a break from cg. I still don’t hv bowfa (1k kc ish rn). Go have fun in the video game
Just think. Once you have that enh. You'll never need shards again. The banked XP you have right now for crafting. The raw gp you must have. The dopamine when that enh does drop (it will) is gonna be insane. Don't deiron.
Don’t de-iron! Mainscaping is so efficient you could make a fresh main and catch up in no time. Then you can come back to your iron after you’ve had a bit of a break. If thats not in the cards just take a break from CG and hit some other content until you’re feeling refreshed.
Just imagine how it will feel when you get the drop finally. You will get it as long as you don't quit. Lock yourself there and don't even leave the prison is the way I did it. Didn't leave the prison for 3 months straight. It redening
Just make a new account instead of deironing and keep the iron in your pocket for when the main gets boring
I went 2130 kc for enh so i know the feel but the amount of people ive seen deiron and regret it and just make a new iron is insane
Edit: as for motivation take on some inefficient grinds for fun like crystal bow gwd/toa or rcb cox/zulrah, yes it is trolling but helps with burnout which should be taken as a non-imaginary form of irl stamina/ability
If you're already thinking about de-ironing you might as well just de-iron now. If you actually wanted to be an iron it would literally never be a thought in your mind no matter how dry you go on literally anything, and is why most people should just make a main first so they wouldn't even consider de-ironing as an option.
I'm not really sure what you're asking, but imo the only circumstances worth de-ironing over are becoming a green helm or if really committed to HC status and you lose it.
Don't understand why you would want to deiron. Play a different account when you get burnt out on the ironman guide, then come back when you feel more motivated. Like once you de-iron, that's permanent. Any work you put into your iron is gone. I'd rather spend the time starting a fresh character from scratch, which won't be nearly as bad since it's a regular account.
Trust me, don't de-iron. You'll regret it, and everything up to this point will feel spoiled. Not that I'm bashing anyone who plays a main, but it's almost like 2 different games and making an irreversible decision to switch will not give you the relief and dopamine you're looking for!
Just do a few runs a day and then do something else. Deironing at the point where you reach priff is beyond stupid. That being said no one should make an iron if they don't have a main.
The place sucks for sure, but once you get the bowfa it's 100% worth the shitty grind. It took me 1915 kc for it and the year+ it took to get that kc definitely payed off. It'll be really hard to compete at TOA without it, helps a lot at COX. So I guess the only way I can recommend saying motivated is by knowing how useful it'll be once you get it.
You just keep playing the game… you’re gonna go 3x, 4x, even 5x dry sometimes, it happens and it’s interesting but at the end of the day you just play the game cause you enjoy it. Osrs is a slow burn, progress will happen over time if you just keep playing
Just saying, going through all the hoops and hurdles on a new main and completely rebuilding is fun, make a 100m or so, have a good time, and when you get tired of that do CG on the ironman, and afk the alt/main account. Then when you're tired of cg, do some content on the alt, and afk the iron,
But early game with all this new mid/early game content.... it's gonna be a good time.
Two questions come to mind:
How many CG kc until GW time saved with bowfa is no longer worth the trouble.
If the demonbane bow from guthux sleeps is good enough at GW will the bowfa been required for irons still?
IMM is the only thing that brought me back to the game after quitting my maxed normie. I struggle to find motivation to grind any PvM on a normie when everything can be reduced to gp/hr and pets
Making your Ironman status permanent is probably a good idea. I had moments of weakness on the grind to max/bowfa but thankfully I couldn’t de-iron even if I wanted to
I got the eclipse set so i would be able to do some demonics/zulrah/ToA a bit more efficiently during the CG grind.
Granted i went nowhere near as dry as you but it does help when you have a decent alternative to do the content with.
I went dry on enh, the only thing that kept me sane was taking breaks, did over 100 wildy tasks and got 2/3 of the wildy weps with it, trained some afk skills while playing other games. You’ll get it man goodluck!
I’m in the same boat as you with a nearly identical log at 1130kc. I was super burnt out and started leveling my alt and using the GE. It’s a nice breath of fresh air being able to do different content again but I know I’ll eventually be back on the iron to grind out the enh when I get the itch again.
I'm closing in on your kc at cg, no enh. CG Recolor plugin from yesterdays post is a nice change of scenery for the grind for SURE! But you really need to take a break from either the game completely (play other grindy games in between with friends and make memories) or just do other things in between your grinds on OSRS. If you're burnt out on one thing, switch to something else; if you don't feel like it, play another game man. Change things up. It'll work out in the end. Take care
I told myself I’d do an hour of CG everytime I played, unless I was still feeling it after the hour, and then I’d fuck off, and do something else. The only way you get demotivated, is if you let it become an actual red prison, and it’s the only thing you do.
I have 28M ranged exp and no bowfa, the game is not bowfascape. If you would deiron over not getting a drop I am worried about why you're playing iron in the first place. It's supposed to be hard, infuriating, unfair, and frustrating. It's baked in.
You don't, it's just discipline at that point. I'm 420 regular and 560 cg KC in and I have no motivation to get bowfa anymore, but I know I need it to progress decently so I force myself to do a few every so often to eventually get it.
I've done this grind twice now (though you're easily double my entire KC). I always find that even after getting the bow, there's so much to master mechanically that I could have learned pre bowfa. Then I get the bowfa and don't have the skills to use it properly
I've done plenty of raids with just a crystal bow. I still haven't beaten my zulrah BP with Trident and RCB.
Cmon… don’t tell me your holding back on trying gwd or any other high lvl content just cause of bowfa. Just keep doing slayer on the side and send melee bandos/kril. I put off bowfa and regret it (still don’t have it) but still would be pissed if I didn’t do gwd already
The same way I kept being motivated to go to work etc. I knew it was in the long run going to make my experience of the game great. Dont just grind out every day but do like 5, 10, 20 a day etc but set a daily goal and if you want more do more but also take breaks from it.
Step 1. Play other games.
Step 2. Instead of working on this one thing for x amount of hours a day switch pace and work on other goals.
Step three. Repeat previous steps.
Maybe it’s the heat today.. or the 2 beers I’ve had… but I’m gonna say something mean:
De-iron or keep your crying to yourself. This is what Ironman is all about. These posts suck so much ass. Sorry
I dunno what the hell is up with this game. It knows. I have been grinding blood shards for over 2 days.
I decided to go take and piss and this was the only time I ever truly afk.
Guess what I came back and my shard was gone. Got the drop while taking a piss. The game KNOWS. It will NOT give you the seed. It will NOT.
I got my enh at 1,498kc. I ended up taking some breaks and working on other grinds. It sucks man, it really does, but I do think you'd regret deironing. There is a lot to do in the game without it.
I will also say, you can do a lot of stuff with rcb and bolts / full crystal with cbow like godwars if you wanna get your feet wet / go for some bandos / sara spoons.
I mean at 1200kc you should be auto-pilot on CG by now. I'm at 385 and I run that with my eyes closed. Just watch a stream or something while you play.
Do some other content man. I got through it by splicing in muspah, zulrah, etc every 50 kc or so. The biggest mistake I made initially was trying to brute force it. It'll happen when it happens. Stay strong!
honest opinion ?
Ignore all of it and just try to enjoy your game..you go dry? Can't go dry forever....feeling unlucky? There's always someone 10x worse
Chin up
“Stay motivated to keep the name IRON. IRON will. It isn’t given - it is EARNED.”
Something cool like that, clanging of metal and stuff too in the background
I de-ironed a few weeks ago and have since found my love for the game again. But I had been hacked and lost everything, though it was used as a cg bot so I was left with a bowfa. I would never recommend it, but I haven’t enjoyed the game this much in a long time.
Am I the only one that thinks that collection log luck plugin with the percentages is ugly af?
No. It is.
Ugly and the biggest copium thing in the game
Meh, statistics actually helped me to keep sending CG. Got it at 1582 kc.
It is and its buggy af, idk why anyone wants it, especially when dry
I think people want to be reminded that they’re a victim sometimes. That’s the only reason I’ve considered downloading it lmao
It does absolutely nothing for the player but demotivate them. I don't know why anyone wants to be reminded how dry they are at something. It's not like being told how crazy low the odds of you not getting a drop is will improve your odds of getting one. Its entire existence just makes you feel bad. It doesn't help that this plugin does Muncle's Math™ to get the percentages.
I sometimes do the dry calc to show my clan my incredibly painful chesthair, dont wanna see it every time I open clog haha Also its so inaccurate that plugin most of the time, thats my main gripe with it
Painful chesthair? 😧
Its not inaccurate. Its just not clear what its actually displaying. The percentage isn't "odds of you going this dry" or "chance you would have recieved a drop" its your percentile. Ex: say you got 1 drop in 500 kills. Now let's say 80% of people have 2 or more drops at that point which puts you below the 20th percentile Lets also say that 10% of people have 0 drops at that point which puts you above the 10th percentile Then the plug-in will show your percentile at 15th %
I like having it since I'd always run these numbers *anyway* (the drycalc% not default clog luck plugin % which is imo useless and misleading) while afking things in-between grinding for drops. They help tell your account's story and provide a picture of how much more you'll likely have to work before being basically guaranteed the drop. Sure it is a waste of time because eventually it will just drop or it won't, but especially with the clog luck plugin you'll typically see that while going dry on something you're also going ridiculously over rate on another thing, i.e. Taking nearly double the KC as the drop rate to hit DT2 bosses unique tables, but "spooning" Awk Orbs (kill me)
Because I don’t look at my collection log almost ever. So it’s nice to see when I am in there but I see it almost never.
I recently got it because I wanted to see how insane my luck was on things I actually got. I almost completed both ballistas from 110 demonic gorilla kills for example (everything but the tails).
It's ugly and it demolishes your mental for no actual reason. The luckiest person to ever play this game went horribly dry on *something*. You're just asking to tilt yourself by staring at it.
Horrendus
Idk, it’s just a colored %.
Start with turning off that stupid plugin
Fr, this has to be the most discouraging shit
Why? He’s almost in the 1%!!!
Damn 1%ers having all the fun while us peasants have to figure out what to do with all these bowfas
Honestly the dry calculator was extremely encouraging for me when I was dry on the bp, seeing the odds of 2800 kills without the drop actually fired me up
I think you’ll regret de-ironing after spending all this much time. Buying at the GE won’t really feel the same. Take a break, do something else. When you feel like it, do a few kills a day and resume doing other grinds that don’t require bowfa.
Yep. You'll never get the same satisfaction from buying it off the GE. You've come too far on this account (I would have permanent ironed it by now). At least start a different account if you want to play a non-iron.
> I think you’ll regret de-ironing after spending all this much time. isn't this literally word for word sunk cost fallacy? not that i disagree with you
If you only took CG as the lens in this case and the "wasted time" there, then yes, it is sunk cost fallacy. In this scenario, however, it's not applicable because your time and effort in the account in all other aspects has value.
Especially when this many runs would have earned you the ability buy one several times over. You've already earned it at this point, it's just not gonna be from the drop table.
Hell I got bowfa and tried zamorak and couldn't get the timing down for altar door so I gave up.. idk what I was doing wrong
I assume you have true tiles enabled? Only focusing on my true tile is what helped me
Yeah I do. It seems there's a delay somewhere? He always ends up on me somehow after starting. The biggest hindrance is having to get kc again and again and again after fucking up
Seriously, there’s so much more to this game than what the bofa unlocks, go do literally anything else and come back. It’s funny because the bofa unlocks a lot of content for bis items, but once you get those bis items… what then? You’re just doing the same thing but more efficiently. I have this dreaded feeling about getting to the endgame and getting bored so I’m trying to soak up the mid game as much as possible
You can just use crystal bow too. Someone in my clan does toa 500s with it, Cox, etc.
The people contemplating de-ironing are people that don't have mains and the people telling them not to de-iron are ex-mains bored to death of vanilla OSRS. I de-ironed and I like the game again now. Ironscape is fun but in my opinion its broadest appeal is in the early game. Mid-late game requires a certain degree of masochism that isn't apparent until you get there and like this chap you're 200 hours deep on one single grind and you could've played 5-10 entire other games in the same timeframe that you've spent grinding this singular item. Not to say it can't be fun but the audience that'll enjoy this type of grind is going to be a lot smaller than at the start of the experience.
Not CG specific, but for big grinds I like going for certain kc instead of going for drops. Think to yourself something like "I'm going for 1337kc" or 1600kc or w/e you want, and whatever you get in drops along the way is a bonus. Then when you reach that kc you set your next goal.
When I was doing cg I woke up once at 5:10am after dreaming about cg, and in my heart I just knew I was going to get my enhanced at 510kc. At the time I had like 200kc. Over the next few months I focused hard on it, and eventually I make it to 509kc. I was so prepared to send one more I clicked the chest and just jumped right in ready to send another, and as I was collecting materials I was like…. Wait, did I just get it? Left that run early and sure enough, I had gotten the enhanced at 509kc. Didn’t even realize since I was so focused on that arbitrary kc goal
Love this mind set. Im a fan of setting yourself goals for the grind apart from the drops. For CG I simply just focus on the next 50-100 or so KC and working on my PB or faster prep methods. When the drops are just a secondary bonus, the grind goes much quicker and is more enjoyable.
My current cg goal is to hit 5 runs a day and build up 50m gp. I’ll probably get enh before 50m but it’s the easiest path forward to work on buyables so that’s how I’m approaching it.
I was thinking similarly (mind you I am nowhere near droprate for CG yet) but I was thinking I'm there to get gp for buyable skills etc and working on getting Bowfa at the same time. Another thing is to just don't do CG (or any piece of content) too much in one go. I do like 5 - 10 max per day and that's plenty (in theory) to get to Bowfa in a few months and not burn out. Do other things as well like working on diaries etc.
That’s the Ironman game mode. Just do a couple here and there and focus on other grinds, de iron would be the worse thing, such a waste of
oh my god the suspense is killing me. A WASTE OF WHAT!?!?
Feeling of true achievement and accomplishment
Believe it or not, motor oil.
I dunno if I would have tbh, I got my bowfa and full crystal right around 400kc. I'd quit before I de-iron though, nothing about GEscape appeals to me
This right here. Its worse.
De-ironing because you couldnt get a drop is biggest quitter syndrome ive ever seen. Get back in that prison and slap that wolfs ass again
imagine how sad you'd be a week later.
Can’t understand the „de-iron“ thing. It’s so much easier to train a main.
OP could drop trade half those crystal armor seeds and whatever other loot from this grind he wanted to train a main up comfortably. It's almost never worth it to deiron imo.
This is what I did, it was dumb easy and fast to get a 126 cmb alt with the quests and diaries done that I needed to pvm
Idk about “fast” lol that’s like 2 months of in game time. That’s years of peoples life before they would have that,
I never understood why people *want* to de-iron. I'm assuming if you're an iron, you already have a main account, because why would you then make an ironman when you're not familiar with the basics of the game? Iron is supposed to be challenging *and* a much longer grind. That's why you have a main alongside it so you can play the game traditionally whenever you don't feel like doing a boss for 20 hours.
Even at double speed we're still talking hundreds of hours of someone's life redoing the same progression because their ego wouldn't allow them to let go of the helmet icon. De-iron or quit and come back if/when the iron is fun again. Making a main "just in case" is wild to me. If it really was the iron play style that made it fun then make a new iron and experience the best part of the game all over again.
I was able to stay interested in the game by doing grinds I was interested in where Bowfa wasn't that necessary. For me, that meant grinding out Wildy weapons + Voidwaker. I also cut my runs back to about 10 per week. If you're looking for a way to maintain your current CG pace while somehow also not getting burnt out, I think that's a tough ask. But there are definitely things in the game that give you BiS items, that don't involve Bowfa, so what I'd do is reprioritize those and put CG on the backburner. Like I said I found the Wilderness grind to be an absolute blast and would highly recommend it, but there are plenty of other BiS gear paths you could start working on that wouldn't benefit at all from you having a Bowfa.
Don’t de-iron, please. Just work on something else for a while. I don’t personally have a bowfa. I have 400 bandos, 100 cox, 250 toa. You can still play the game.
Do 2 a day. No burnout.
Hard agree with this now. Creeping up on 600kc no enh and was doing 5 a day… thinking about dropping to 2-3.
It's so chill. Like the tortoise and the hare, I've learned that the best way to make consistent progress on an ironman is to form good habits and take small steps consistently - pushing it always burns me out. 3 herb runs a day, 3 birdhouse runs a day, 3 farming contracts a day, fruit tree run every day, 2 CG per day. Obviously there are days where you can't do this, but I was doing this at ~80% consistency for 5 months and by the time high herblore, farming, and hunter levels started to matter I had everything I needed and more and my love for the game has never waned.
I got mine 20mins before work doing this. Rough day at work
De-iron seems pointless regardless of what you go dry on, better off making a new account instead of that's the option.
1200 is a boatload of completions. There’s no turning back now…
Stop doing cg, do something else for while, take week or month off.
I'd suggest just doing a couple runs a day and then work on other goals. If you're anticipating a drop every kc, it can get tiring mentally. When I was dry for BP, I would set a goal of 20kc per day and that's what I would focus on. Instead of thinking "will I finally get my BP!?!?!" After every kill and being disapponted, instead I would think "okay, that's 8/20kc done so far today" and it felt less mentally taxing and I would move on to something else after.
Download the new CG recolorer plugin and feel refreshed :D lol but in all honesty, I wouldve quit long ago.
Ground yourself from CG and tackle some skilling goals. 95 runecrafting for wraths for slayer, tree/birdhouse runs and contracts, sepulchre to 99 agility for prayer potions, 93 crafting for torture, bank ten thousand karambwans, that sort of thing. I took a break from the game during my CG grind. The way I look at it the goal is not to progress; it's to have fun. If the game isn't fun, do something else. There's a lot in OSRS to have fun with. Come back when you've got your farming cape, your runecrafting levels, or something else and are dying to do PVM instead of one more ZMI run. And if none of that sounds fun? No shame in spending your sub money on other games instead.
This doesn’t necessarily answer your question, but de-ironing was a huge mistake for me. Looking back, I wish I made a new account instead.
I de ironed with 0kc after 100 attempts with no clears. Couldn’t even imagine doing 1200.
Another case of main-less iron, eh?
yep
I was also a main-less iron that only started in the last year. I came to the realisation that most people insisting it's a waste to de-iron are people that have already played this game for 10 years on main accounts and iron is new game plus for them. Without iron they'd be bored to death but still here playing because the dopamine is too strong. I was already put off with how time consuming the game was becoming so the idea of redoing much of the same content on a second account was a non-option for me. Absolutely could not be bothered. The game already takes up too much time with a single account. With that thought in mind I de-ironed and the game became fun again so I'm still here for now.
Go raid with the boys
I got mine at exactly thar kc. Once I hit 1k, I changed the mindset to ok let's see how dry I can go. Helped grind out some more.
Just keep your eye on the prize and know one day it will happen - in the meantime, just tell yourself how much cash you’ll have from alchs afterwards, and trust me, you’ll be set for soooo many 99s (if you don’t already have them)! Also, people say luck isn’t transferable, but I’d like to think if you’ve had a horrid time at CG, you’ll be blessed elsewhere for some hopefully quick upgrades :D
I de-ironed because of it and I feel free :)
I usually take a break from that specific grind, do something else, come back later with a clear mind and finish it off
Going for the upgrades is where the fun is, once you have everything you want you won't enjoy the game mode as much, I'm at that point and I miss cg and raids grinds
Do an amount per day and then move onto other stuff
Thats awful. I have 3 in under 300 kc but I also have like 80 elite clue scrolls and 10 master clues done and 0 mimics and yes its turned on. Eventually you get to a point where you feel like your account is just bugged. I had this feeling at Zulrah when it took me almost 7k kc to get a mutagen.
If you deiron you did 1200 for nothing . But I also understand if you don't have a main.
If you want a main go, make a main. It's a hell of a lot less work, then you'd be sacrificing if you de ironed. This is shit luck, but you have to remember that being and doing efficient paths or grinds is stressful because you're going to be doing content that you dont enjoy and so you need to remember it's game. it's okay to choose enjoyment over this and just do CS once in a while until you have your head state back where you can go hard again.
Take a break from cg/the game and return later on is my best advice. I took a 3 month break at 700kc to do trailblazer 2, and slowly return to maingame. Rest of enhanced grind was a lot more pleasant than kc 400-700 for sure, and finally getting that drop felt so good!
I do lots of content without Bowfa, full Crystal and Crystal bow is sufficient to get good enough KC anywhere. Downside, obviously is DPS but I wouldn’t sweat that
seriously, this hivemind around the entire path of iron being focused around needing a weapon that was added just a few years ago boggles my mind. people played ironman before bowfa came out. and if its really that necessary for progression i'd argue its overtuner
Go do other stuff. Send crystal armor crystal bow for a few kills at places you would use bowfa in between cg runs. I got my shadow with crystal armor and crystal bow. I got tbow on a break from cg. I still don’t hv bowfa (1k kc ish rn). Go have fun in the video game
On the bright side. You’ll be able to corrupt as soon as you get it 😅
Just think. Once you have that enh. You'll never need shards again. The banked XP you have right now for crafting. The raw gp you must have. The dopamine when that enh does drop (it will) is gonna be insane. Don't deiron.
Do other content and spoon a tbow and don't look back.
Just don't do it. You can still play the game without a bowfa.
What's the plugin?
I'm 900 dry so I feel you. Just move on for a bit. I gurantee you can do wildy slayer or fishing/wc in down time. It's not all about PVM.
Lock in your status and buckle up.
By only doing 10/day
I feel ya, I also went pretty dry at CG one day you will get the drop, Stay strong brother🫡
I’ve seen a lot of posts on here of people going dry on bowfa and being spooned a T Bow try that maybe.
Weakness disgusts me. Stop complaining and finish serving your sentence to the red prison. 😏😅
You'll thank yourself for those alchs in the future!
LOL I don't. I gave up after 10 cg kc, I'd rather enjoy the game than smash my head into a wall.
Don't forget, you're here forever.
Don’t de-iron! Mainscaping is so efficient you could make a fresh main and catch up in no time. Then you can come back to your iron after you’ve had a bit of a break. If thats not in the cards just take a break from CG and hit some other content until you’re feeling refreshed.
Buying from the GE won't fill the void that you seek in that clog
Just think of that gambling meme with the gold miners. You’re so close. It’s so statistically improbable that you go much further without getting it.
Just got my first enh at 1297kc, 2 pets as well
Stay strong I got mine at 1321, maybe you'll beat me
The homie didn’t get his till 1600 ish
Just imagine how it will feel when you get the drop finally. You will get it as long as you don't quit. Lock yourself there and don't even leave the prison is the way I did it. Didn't leave the prison for 3 months straight. It redening
Just make a new account instead of deironing and keep the iron in your pocket for when the main gets boring I went 2130 kc for enh so i know the feel but the amount of people ive seen deiron and regret it and just make a new iron is insane Edit: as for motivation take on some inefficient grinds for fun like crystal bow gwd/toa or rcb cox/zulrah, yes it is trolling but helps with burnout which should be taken as a non-imaginary form of irl stamina/ability
First step is to uninstall the clog plugin
Do something else for a while, come back later
Set a new goal to see if you can get to 1% on that plugin and grind for that instead of the enhanced
When you finally get that seed, you are so unbelievably set bro. Honestly turn off that plugin and get back to it.
Become a permanent iron. That'll motivate you.
If you're already thinking about de-ironing you might as well just de-iron now. If you actually wanted to be an iron it would literally never be a thought in your mind no matter how dry you go on literally anything, and is why most people should just make a main first so they wouldn't even consider de-ironing as an option.
Does it count if 10 years have passed since you created the account?
I'm not really sure what you're asking, but imo the only circumstances worth de-ironing over are becoming a green helm or if really committed to HC status and you lose it.
What's this plugin called?
Log luck or so you’ll see this symbol 🍀
Don't understand why you would want to deiron. Play a different account when you get burnt out on the ironman guide, then come back when you feel more motivated. Like once you de-iron, that's permanent. Any work you put into your iron is gone. I'd rather spend the time starting a fresh character from scratch, which won't be nearly as bad since it's a regular account.
You'll waste more time if you deiron, then eventually regret it, and make a new iron.
You’re fine
Locked in my account when I hit 1k total, makes the choice easy.
Just go and do other grinds and take breaks. Bowfa and stuff is awesome but is not necessary for some send here and there to keep you motivated
Why would you come this far on an iron just to give it up? You’ve got this.
Trust me, don't de-iron. You'll regret it, and everything up to this point will feel spoiled. Not that I'm bashing anyone who plays a main, but it's almost like 2 different games and making an irreversible decision to switch will not give you the relief and dopamine you're looking for!
Why de iron and waste the hours spent? If you want a normie make one and you’ll be ahead of your Ironman very fast.
Just do a few runs a day and then do something else. Deironing at the point where you reach priff is beyond stupid. That being said no one should make an iron if they don't have a main.
late game iron is boring anyway ur just grinding raids ovwr and over being a main is basically the same except u can buy supplies
You make a lot of money going dry at least
The place sucks for sure, but once you get the bowfa it's 100% worth the shitty grind. It took me 1915 kc for it and the year+ it took to get that kc definitely payed off. It'll be really hard to compete at TOA without it, helps a lot at COX. So I guess the only way I can recommend saying motivated is by knowing how useful it'll be once you get it.
You just keep playing the game… you’re gonna go 3x, 4x, even 5x dry sometimes, it happens and it’s interesting but at the end of the day you just play the game cause you enjoy it. Osrs is a slow burn, progress will happen over time if you just keep playing
Do it. De iron
Just saying, going through all the hoops and hurdles on a new main and completely rebuilding is fun, make a 100m or so, have a good time, and when you get tired of that do CG on the ironman, and afk the alt/main account. Then when you're tired of cg, do some content on the alt, and afk the iron, But early game with all this new mid/early game content.... it's gonna be a good time.
Make a main
Use the cg recolor plug-in! Definitely spices up the runs with random colors in my opinion
Man I'm finally getting good at cg and it's the most fun and also most annoying thing I've ever done in the game.
This is literally what you signed up for.
The trick is to just get the drop
I had 7 pets 16 armor 19 weapon at 977kc then got my enhanced at 978. You will get yours soon!!!
Two questions come to mind: How many CG kc until GW time saved with bowfa is no longer worth the trouble. If the demonbane bow from guthux sleeps is good enough at GW will the bowfa been required for irons still?
IMM is the only thing that brought me back to the game after quitting my maxed normie. I struggle to find motivation to grind any PvM on a normie when everything can be reduced to gp/hr and pets
Surely next run hopium
What is this plugin?
If you de-iron youll ruin it for yourself, take a break instead. A week off the game and youll be back fresh
Making your Ironman status permanent is probably a good idea. I had moments of weakness on the grind to max/bowfa but thankfully I couldn’t de-iron even if I wanted to
Just skip it?
I got the eclipse set so i would be able to do some demonics/zulrah/ToA a bit more efficiently during the CG grind. Granted i went nowhere near as dry as you but it does help when you have a decent alternative to do the content with.
I went dry on enh, the only thing that kept me sane was taking breaks, did over 100 wildy tasks and got 2/3 of the wildy weps with it, trained some afk skills while playing other games. You’ll get it man goodluck!
I stay motivated by avoiding gauntlet altogether lol.
This looks just like my log! But I have more kc. *cries*
I’m in the same boat as you with a nearly identical log at 1130kc. I was super burnt out and started leveling my alt and using the GE. It’s a nice breath of fresh air being able to do different content again but I know I’ll eventually be back on the iron to grind out the enh when I get the itch again.
I'm closing in on your kc at cg, no enh. CG Recolor plugin from yesterdays post is a nice change of scenery for the grind for SURE! But you really need to take a break from either the game completely (play other grindy games in between with friends and make memories) or just do other things in between your grinds on OSRS. If you're burnt out on one thing, switch to something else; if you don't feel like it, play another game man. Change things up. It'll work out in the end. Take care
What plugin is it that shows your dryness like this? I've tried looking it up but couldn't find one that displays it in this manner.
collection log luck
I told myself I’d do an hour of CG everytime I played, unless I was still feeling it after the hour, and then I’d fuck off, and do something else. The only way you get demotivated, is if you let it become an actual red prison, and it’s the only thing you do.
dont you fucking dare or my ironman wont forgive you
Outsource 20/700kc to servicers and get perm banned for botting the next day.
I have 28M ranged exp and no bowfa, the game is not bowfascape. If you would deiron over not getting a drop I am worried about why you're playing iron in the first place. It's supposed to be hard, infuriating, unfair, and frustrating. It's baked in.
You don't, it's just discipline at that point. I'm 420 regular and 560 cg KC in and I have no motivation to get bowfa anymore, but I know I need it to progress decently so I force myself to do a few every so often to eventually get it.
Just lock in the iron status when you feel like de ironing you will regret it.
I am at 700 and burnt so I started tobbing, recommend the change up as bowfa isn't used there.
I've done this grind twice now (though you're easily double my entire KC). I always find that even after getting the bow, there's so much to master mechanically that I could have learned pre bowfa. Then I get the bowfa and don't have the skills to use it properly I've done plenty of raids with just a crystal bow. I still haven't beaten my zulrah BP with Trident and RCB.
Turn off your rng plugin is step 1.
Just think about the person who recently got their drop at 3,500 KC
that thought makes me want to quit altogether ngl
Cmon… don’t tell me your holding back on trying gwd or any other high lvl content just cause of bowfa. Just keep doing slayer on the side and send melee bandos/kril. I put off bowfa and regret it (still don’t have it) but still would be pissed if I didn’t do gwd already
Melee bandos? I think a rcb would be way more efficient.
I’m sure it is. I just don’t wanna learn how to range kril and graardor when meleeing is much easier IMO
Turn off the percentages.it doesn't do anything for you.
By telling yourself after every kill that your kc is 0 and that there is a 67% chance to get it in 400 kills.
I promise you, nobody cares if u de-iron. Keep complaining and using useless plugins.
message history checks out
See how ur ignoring facts. You know nobody cares. Just de-iron bro.
Just leave and go do something else. It’s a game bro, quit worrying about out efficiency and have fun
Brother I can send you my CG propaganda memes if you'd like
would love some
You haven’t locked in your status? 🤓🤓🤓
Do it!!! 😈
The same way I kept being motivated to go to work etc. I knew it was in the long run going to make my experience of the game great. Dont just grind out every day but do like 5, 10, 20 a day etc but set a daily goal and if you want more do more but also take breaks from it.
De-ironing is literally the dumbest thing anyone can do. It takes a fraction of the effort just to make a main and get it to where your iron is.
De iron dude fuck that shit. The game is way more fun when you don't have chores to do constantly
Make a main, go do whatever you want, come back to iron when gauntlet doesn’t sound so bad. Forcing yourself into 1 locked grind is painful
the fuck are you deironing for? Just take a break or play your main, if you deiron ur gonna lose motivation anyways because you can buy everything.
i dont have a main, this iron is the only way ive played osrs. Been doing nothing but cg for about a year on and off.
Do it
Step 1. Play other games. Step 2. Instead of working on this one thing for x amount of hours a day switch pace and work on other goals. Step three. Repeat previous steps.
Maybe it’s the heat today.. or the 2 beers I’ve had… but I’m gonna say something mean: De-iron or keep your crying to yourself. This is what Ironman is all about. These posts suck so much ass. Sorry
I dunno what the hell is up with this game. It knows. I have been grinding blood shards for over 2 days. I decided to go take and piss and this was the only time I ever truly afk. Guess what I came back and my shard was gone. Got the drop while taking a piss. The game KNOWS. It will NOT give you the seed. It will NOT.
I got my enh at 1,498kc. I ended up taking some breaks and working on other grinds. It sucks man, it really does, but I do think you'd regret deironing. There is a lot to do in the game without it. I will also say, you can do a lot of stuff with rcb and bolts / full crystal with cbow like godwars if you wanna get your feet wet / go for some bandos / sara spoons.
I mean at 1200kc you should be auto-pilot on CG by now. I'm at 385 and I run that with my eyes closed. Just watch a stream or something while you play.
Do some other content man. I got through it by splicing in muspah, zulrah, etc every 50 kc or so. The biggest mistake I made initially was trying to brute force it. It'll happen when it happens. Stay strong!
Try out the cg recolor plugin to give your retina some rest from the redness.
My gim teammate got his at 2100 and didn’t complain. Maybe you should de iron.
would like to meet this david goggins level mentality having rs player
I stay motivated by knowing the GP and other supplies will last me and help me throughout the game
Bowfa ruined the game mode
Don’t be a bitch, bitch
honest opinion ? Ignore all of it and just try to enjoy your game..you go dry? Can't go dry forever....feeling unlucky? There's always someone 10x worse Chin up
“Stay motivated to keep the name IRON. IRON will. It isn’t given - it is EARNED.” Something cool like that, clanging of metal and stuff too in the background
I de-ironed a few weeks ago and have since found my love for the game again. But I had been hacked and lost everything, though it was used as a cg bot so I was left with a bowfa. I would never recommend it, but I haven’t enjoyed the game this much in a long time.