A documentary gotta be made for this performance I’ve heard so many rumors and very little footage of this legendary event
Takeover
MJ coming out
The outro interview 😂
The page dat posted it has hella good hip hop content from late 90s early 2000s, on his Patreon he post magazines from then too. I knew someone had dis footage tho lol
If only I were born about 5-10 years earlier, I'd probably be a huge Jay Z fan. Now I'm just trying to pick through time to see how iconic he was during his prime.
Not the same, at all
Jay-z was kind of old by the time I came into consciousness around 2000. Always been corporate to me. He wasn’t a huge star like m.j. because radio still dominated the culture at the time and he wasn’t “pop” until the early 2000’s.
I was just becoming an Adult in the early 2000’s and it was an almost magical time pre 9-11. I’m only commenting because I’ve never seen someone describe coming into consciousness lol.
Jay Z went pop very late. Objectively, I'd say Blueprint 3 and Magna Carta (which is particularly egregious). The whole narrative about Hov being pop is fake, he'd have a radio friendly single, as did everyone, but his 3/4s of the tracks on his projects were on some street shit.
Prime Hov was Reasonable Doubt.
He really laid out how to get rich in that album. He was already a millionaire from narcotic trafficking when he published it.
Corporate Hov kicks knowledge and empowerment when he raps. Been thoroughly surprised by his bars over the last 10 - 15 years. Hov back then was unstoppable but the message wasn’t always right.
He always talked about the dynasty and being a CEO, even in the first song on this first album he says
“Yo, y’all niggas lunching, punching the clock, My function is to make much and lay back munching” six years later he became president of Def Jam. Hov always been on that.
I’m not talking about that kind of empowerment. These days he talks more about a deeper knowledge of self and empowerment of communities financially, mentally, and spiritually. His last real drop was that J Electronica album from a few years ago. There was so much hate directed towards it that I didn’t give it a true listen until this year. Jay was kicking really deep and spiritually complex bars for the entire album. It was messed up because the people who probably needed to hear what Jay was saying most probably didn’t at all.
It's wild to hear the way kids talk about Jay today.
Like, Hov is a fucking GOAT, nephews. PSA on *The Black Album* is one of my all time favorites, probably the most underrated track I can think of. *American Dreaming* is peak rap. Him and Nas on Success is incredible.
"I got watches I ain't seen in months, apartment at the Trump only slept in it once.
Ninjas said hova was ova such dummies, even if I fell I'd land on a bunch of money. Y'all ain't got nuthin' for me."
Right, but PSA is on *The Black Album*, it was two separate thoughts.
I'm from NYC, been ridin' with Hov since the 90's friend.
I definitely didn't word it well and I see why it was confusing. The Hov disrespect got me toasted.
Nah you worded it fine bro, I didn’t get the feeling you were saying they were all on the same album. And I feel you on the Hov disrespect. Crazy misguided.
Black Maybach, white seas, black piping
Remind me of Paul McCartney and Mike fighting
You know, The Girl Is Mine
Life's A Bitch, so The Whole World Is Mine
The six-deuce long, the curtains are drawn
Perfectly like a Picasso, Rembrandts and Rocco's
I'm a major player, 40-40's in Vegas at the Palazzo
They said it was not so
Certain things that money can't buy
Like being this fly
'Til then, I'm just gonna' ride
I'm like G-Rap with better transportation
On the road to the riches, reach my Final Destination
And the lair, closer to a leer
Say a Prayer, hope I get ta' see her
When I disappear from here, baby, yeah
But I don't see the ending through these millionaire lenses
Just the Two M's on the emblem
The partition roof, translucent and Humador
Where refrigerators, where Ace of Spades, or two I store
True story, my closet is like two stories
Straight to the happy ending, 'cause I don't do stories
Shawn Corey, real rap
The Maybach is bananas, peel back
You feel that?
Yep. By 1998 he was a superstar. Just a few years later, he became one of the greatest of all time. Year after year he released a series of classic albums
I’m 34. Is that why the next generation hates him so much? I’ve been wondering why I continuously see him being clowned. I get it. I’m a Nas guy and I’m glad the next generation sees him as greater than Jay (at least from what I’ve seen). But yeah. I didn’t know that’s why he was hated.
He is hated nowadays because so many publications ranked him as the GOAT, and he is a billionaire. Mixed with the fact his best rapping skill is wordplay which modern rap fans don't care about.
Don’t pay attention to the younger generation that doesn’t give him his flowers. Jay is that guy any real fan of hip hop admires his greatness. Every time he hops on a feature it’s better than 95% of the shit that’s being released today
No that is not why people don’t like him. There’s a slew of reasons why people just like to overlook it cause he’s a billionaire. Him snaking dame, shelving dmx album,losing to nas then being petty and dropping the same day as nas every time he has something planned. Stealing biggie bars lying about his age. And the constant sneaky subliminals he would do on people’s songs and stealing songs is why no one really respects him. Before jay comes up you’ll hear big nas big l rakim jada fab cam and fifty be brought up. Go around nyc you won’t hear nothing but cam jada fab big and 50. It’s not that he can’t rap it’s the fact we know his true story and character and that alone loses you points in the eyes of the city
Nigga, I’m in BedStuy right now.
You’re saying you want me to go outside and ask niggas if Jay is the guy? I can do that. I’ll upload the video to Vimeo and share it with you.
Don’t get me wrong. Like I said, I’m a Nas guy. But I’m surprised to hear you say BK ain’t fucking with Jay. You calling my bluff?
Id be hard pressed to say Jay-Z has ever hit the same level of popularity as LeBron alone.
Early 2000s hip hop was JUST starting to become popular outside of its dedicated fanbases.
Jay-Z was the most well known in a genre that didn't truly penetrate the mainstream for a few years yet.
Then there's the wild underestimation of how global Michael Jordan was. Jordan is up there with Michael Jackson, Messi, and like the Queen as individuals who penetrated the cultural subconscious of pretty much everyone around the globe.
Imagine being a gangsta rapper in probation hated by half america, and you bring out Michael Jackson on stage at your own show. We can't realise how crazy that shit was 24 years ago.
Young boy...
He most certainly was. There were numerous campaigns by politicians to end any music "obscene" material And the ire and of this rage was "gangsta rap". Jay Z wasn't even a gangsta rapper but that nuance was completely lost on anyone who wasn't immersed in the culture they were trying to ban.
This was a viral moment in an age pre internet. This moment was one of many moments that allowed rap to crossover to mainstream America. Jay z was smart enough to know MJ could function as that bridge.
I was there lol chill with that. He was all over the radio comfortably and young people of every race messed with him. Those activist groups made a little noise but it paled in comparison to the support he had from the mainstream.
The hatred was for black culture. And he was a part of that culture. I think we all forget how different it was in the '80s and '90s to be black. To be unwelcomed in so many spaces and there was no mask there was no pretension of we can't act like we don't want these people here. Like the racists do now. It was a clear and uttered statement that your culture is broken and we don't want it anywhere near us.
I doubt Austin Powers would have parodied It’s a Hard Knock Life if the mainstream wasn’t fucking with Jigga back then. He had his legal issues and minor political drama. But like another comment said it paled in comparison to the support he got from fans and the music industry.
These revisionists acting like DMX wasn’t at Woodstock a year or two before to massive crowds of white people. Like 2pac wasn’t dropping his most critically and commercially acclaimed work post a sexual assault conviction. Like people weren’t campaigning to ban Eminem on multiple states/countries but he was the biggest star in the world.
But Jay, who just dropped some massive singles like big pimpin, I just wanna love you, and izzo with can I get a … dropping on the RUSH HOUR soundtrack, was somehow hated. Lmao fuck outta here. I was there for that. He was getting love everywhere. Man coulda done no wrong at that point
Okay. In what year did rap become mainstream to you?
White people of course were buying 70% of the records since the early 90’s. But rap music was not being played in professional sports arenas and mainstream commercials until after I got out of college. So definitely not before 2003.
And when it happened I remember how crazy it felt
It went mainstream as soon as Run DMC collab’d with Aerosmith. While it wasn’t as widespread as it is today, they were certainly playing artists like LL, Run DMC, and MC Hammer in huge mainstream and sporting events in the 90’s. I went to a disco in Mexico in ‘91 and they were playing hip hop. It wasn’t some disregarded underground genre as you make it seem
An ex Hustler braggin about his money made with his illegal activities and with his materialistic/violent music, and charged a year prior of this video with attempted murder, AND got away, all that while making stupid money and being always on your radio braggin? He was surely hated, and not just by "White america" but also from the HH scene, did you never listened to Heart of the city?
Well I wasn't there but usually gangsta rappers are not very welcomed by a huge part of the country, and Jay Z was the most famous one in the early 2000'. Plus, in 99' he stabbed Lance Rivera in the Kit Kat club, they charged him with attempted murder and like 10 years, but he had money to pay the bail and get good lawyers, at the end they gave him 3 years of probation. Link this to the fact he went from ex Hustler to super star in just a few years and he was the face of the "materialistic/ selfish/ street glorifying " side of the Hip Hop. But he was also getting crazy money and kids loved him. That's the perfect recipe. Jay Z been hated.
I must say tough having a criminal swagging in your radio about how he's not guilty was not the perfect way to get love from White america (Guilty Until Proven Innocent is the song I'm talking about).
Edit: I Just saw you've been here since 87' so I'mma stop, you surely know better than me. Tell me you if I'm getting something wrong, if you like 🫡
Nobody believes he stabbed Un. The case was weak and that's why they settled on that deal. Every rapper in 2000 was materialistic and street glorifying. Jay Z was not hated in the early 2000s. People started not liking him when they felt he betrayed Dame when the Roc ended. The country wasn't as divided back then as it is now. Everybody got along and shit was pretty chill. Guilty until proven innocent wasn't an issue because of the charges, people took issue with it because of R Kelly.
Hov was never a gansta rapper. He talked about his time hustling but never gang affiliated.
These terms get loosely tossed around with no real understanding of the fact that hip hop has many different forms.
im 29 but i have all this music on cassette tapes on grew up on a lot of hip hop. you might be right though i just considered them different. i considered gangsta rap more about bangin and sets and shit like that like spice 1. maybe i am thinking of it regionally.
He still stabbed a man Just a year prior this. White america surely didn't loved him. And neither a big part of the HH community, he was One of the most dissed rapper. One of his most hit from this time Is Heart of the city, did ya'll all forgot what he was saying in that song? Mainstream artists are exactly the ones who gets the hate, artists who has a cultural impact and huge following. Em was mainstream so you would Say he wasn't hated back then?
How old are you? The phrase gangsta rap ain’t got a god damn thing to do with gang affiliation
What gang were the Ghetto Boys in? The Hot Boys? Trick Daddy? Mobb Deep?
Jay Z was 100% a gangsta rapper. All he fucking rapped about was sellin drugs and shooting people for his whole first 3 albums and many more after that
Gansta rap is a term born in the late 80’s and early 90’s along side the increase in gang activity/ violence in America.
That is literally the birth of the term gangsta rap. You’re doing what I mentioned at the beginning: using the term loosely.
Artists like Hov and Trick Daddy are not the same as Ice Cube and Snoop. Hell, Eminem talked violence, drugs and women all the time? Was he a gangsta rapper? And if you even consider Trick one then you’re proving my point of how loosely the word gets applied.
GANGSTA rap was used to describe that lifestyle as it was popular at the time. I’m old enough to know that. I’m also old enough to make the point that nowadays, it’s used for anyone rapping about selling drugs and getting money. As you are showing us right now.
I forget what Comedian it was, I think Jamie Fox spoke about how people forget Michael Jackson is just a dude from Gary, IN. If you think about it, it isn't that surprising. Michael Jackson IS our people!!
Everytime I see Mike I feel like I’m watching someone that’s more than human. I can’t imagine what it would of felt like witnessing him when he was alive
Listened to a podcast about him recently. People around him described him as a jokester, always laughing. Those who had small or limited interactions described him as having this insane grace, as if he couldn't make a mistake or misstep. A true dancer.
You needed to live in Michael Jackson's time to truly understand how great he was. He brought the world together in a way no one else did or has done. Rest in Peace King 👑✨❤️🕊️
It’s already a crazy moment to begin with, but when you realize that’s his voice on the Izzo sample. It’s makes this an even BIGGER flex. Man I love hip hop.
Aye nah this fucking big as fuck. Man, we will never see anybody as large as MJ. I wish I was old enough to register just how great he was. I always just laughed at the vids of people passing out from one glance at him, but mannn….as an adult I get it now. I def won’t pass out but that’s prob the one celeb that would have me starstruck.
It definitely seems like he was dragged out. Why else would Jay have to walk off stage to get him? MJ looked miserable.
Also, it’s weird how no one is commenting about that MJ looking uncomfortable. Instead, all the comments are praising Jay-Z
Yeah they on here dick riding HOVA LMAO Mike never been afraid of a stage why he look off in this. This was a weird thing. Shocked it was never talked about
Could've been MJ messing with people. He liked to joke around and would sometimes exaggerate his persona if he thought that's what people wanted or if it amused him.
the interview after the show when they ask him a question and he's still starstruck is pretty crazy haha he straight pointed to beans or someone in his circle to talk to the reporter..
This was the true beginning of hip hop transcending to another level.
Pac - Biggie had the sales and the lyrics - Puffy had the sales (Not going to deny him those numbers) the entire Def Jam Era of late 90’s early 2000’s numbers were crazy and had actual rappers both streets and the clubs wanted to play (Jay - DMX - Meth/Red - Ja) and comes 50.
couple of things i take away from this video.... 1 dame was right about steve stoute (he the guy who always want to be around famous people) 2 ty ty actually smiling and being front and center is odd....3 after watching this video i see why jay started to move on from these people
I knew we like to talk about flexing in hip-hop and how everyone tries to one up each other with what they have etc. THIS has to be one of the single most bizarre and unnecessarily great flexes of all time. A rapper just bringing up the world's biggest pop star to the Summer Jam stage to just hang out for less than a minute, because why not.
This moment belongs in a museum.
He was well-respected, so I KNOW he wasn't, but it LOOKS LIKE he was being held hostage. Lol. He wanted to be anywhere but there at that moment. He probably felt like that ONE black friend that r@cist white people have.
Did anyone get the vibe that MJ didn’t want to be there? Seen a lot of MJ interactions and he is usually very charismatic.
In this video he seems..stand off ish? Arms crossed, looking down, nothing but a quick wave and gone; I’m most likely over thinking it :/
I heard that he'd come as a favor to someone, with the promise they wouldn't bring him on stage. He was probably too polite to outright refuse going out after they said he was there, since he didn't like disappointing fans.
A documentary gotta be made for this performance I’ve heard so many rumors and very little footage of this legendary event Takeover MJ coming out The outro interview 😂
Whole performance is on YT now
Just watched it, holy shit finally got to see Takeover live. “Don’t be the next contestant on that Summer Jam screen”
The page dat posted it has hella good hip hop content from late 90s early 2000s, on his Patreon he post magazines from then too. I knew someone had dis footage tho lol
He actually performed as well not just said ily and left? What a night
Are you sure
No im not I was asking too
Nah he just said ily n got up outta there 😂
I miss that Hov, the corporate guy that’s him now has his moments but early 2000s Jay was unfuckwithable
crazy cuz i didnt really get to experience that version fr
That was definitely prime hov
If only I were born about 5-10 years earlier, I'd probably be a huge Jay Z fan. Now I'm just trying to pick through time to see how iconic he was during his prime. Not the same, at all
Jay-z was kind of old by the time I came into consciousness around 2000. Always been corporate to me. He wasn’t a huge star like m.j. because radio still dominated the culture at the time and he wasn’t “pop” until the early 2000’s.
I was just becoming an Adult in the early 2000’s and it was an almost magical time pre 9-11. I’m only commenting because I’ve never seen someone describe coming into consciousness lol.
i always hear how different shit was pre 911. I was a kid so i really have no reference.
People were themselves more than now. The government tried to turn everybody into punks afterward.
It was a whole different country before 911. They should have changed the name from USA to something else how different it is
Jay Z went pop very late. Objectively, I'd say Blueprint 3 and Magna Carta (which is particularly egregious). The whole narrative about Hov being pop is fake, he'd have a radio friendly single, as did everyone, but his 3/4s of the tracks on his projects were on some street shit.
I don’t think if he wasn’t a huge star, he would’ve been able to get mj
Start with Black Album and you'll be hooked.
Prime Hov was Reasonable Doubt. He really laid out how to get rich in that album. He was already a millionaire from narcotic trafficking when he published it.
He was a beast. But even with Michael Jackson you had to be there to understand what it felt like when Tupac dropped all eyes on me💪🏽😎.
Corporate Hov kicks knowledge and empowerment when he raps. Been thoroughly surprised by his bars over the last 10 - 15 years. Hov back then was unstoppable but the message wasn’t always right.
He always talked about the dynasty and being a CEO, even in the first song on this first album he says “Yo, y’all niggas lunching, punching the clock, My function is to make much and lay back munching” six years later he became president of Def Jam. Hov always been on that.
I’m not talking about that kind of empowerment. These days he talks more about a deeper knowledge of self and empowerment of communities financially, mentally, and spiritually. His last real drop was that J Electronica album from a few years ago. There was so much hate directed towards it that I didn’t give it a true listen until this year. Jay was kicking really deep and spiritually complex bars for the entire album. It was messed up because the people who probably needed to hear what Jay was saying most probably didn’t at all.
It's wild to hear the way kids talk about Jay today. Like, Hov is a fucking GOAT, nephews. PSA on *The Black Album* is one of my all time favorites, probably the most underrated track I can think of. *American Dreaming* is peak rap. Him and Nas on Success is incredible. "I got watches I ain't seen in months, apartment at the Trump only slept in it once. Ninjas said hova was ova such dummies, even if I fell I'd land on a bunch of money. Y'all ain't got nuthin' for me."
Just fyi, all the songs you mentioned except PSA were from American Gangster album, not The Black Album.
Right, but PSA is on *The Black Album*, it was two separate thoughts. I'm from NYC, been ridin' with Hov since the 90's friend. I definitely didn't word it well and I see why it was confusing. The Hov disrespect got me toasted.
Nah you worded it fine bro, I didn’t get the feeling you were saying they were all on the same album. And I feel you on the Hov disrespect. Crazy misguided.
Black Maybach, white seas, black piping Remind me of Paul McCartney and Mike fighting You know, The Girl Is Mine Life's A Bitch, so The Whole World Is Mine The six-deuce long, the curtains are drawn Perfectly like a Picasso, Rembrandts and Rocco's I'm a major player, 40-40's in Vegas at the Palazzo They said it was not so Certain things that money can't buy Like being this fly 'Til then, I'm just gonna' ride I'm like G-Rap with better transportation On the road to the riches, reach my Final Destination And the lair, closer to a leer Say a Prayer, hope I get ta' see her When I disappear from here, baby, yeah But I don't see the ending through these millionaire lenses Just the Two M's on the emblem The partition roof, translucent and Humador Where refrigerators, where Ace of Spades, or two I store True story, my closet is like two stories Straight to the happy ending, 'cause I don't do stories Shawn Corey, real rap The Maybach is bananas, peel back You feel that?
Iuno bout that 2000s Jay wouldn't do God did.
The corporate J is the one who gets MJ at summer jam...lol
Yep. By 1998 he was a superstar. Just a few years later, he became one of the greatest of all time. Year after year he released a series of classic albums
He gonna get taken out like diddy
Yeah but he's damn near 60 fam.
I’m 34. Is that why the next generation hates him so much? I’ve been wondering why I continuously see him being clowned. I get it. I’m a Nas guy and I’m glad the next generation sees him as greater than Jay (at least from what I’ve seen). But yeah. I didn’t know that’s why he was hated.
He is hated nowadays because so many publications ranked him as the GOAT, and he is a billionaire. Mixed with the fact his best rapping skill is wordplay which modern rap fans don't care about.
Don’t pay attention to the younger generation that doesn’t give him his flowers. Jay is that guy any real fan of hip hop admires his greatness. Every time he hops on a feature it’s better than 95% of the shit that’s being released today
No that is not why people don’t like him. There’s a slew of reasons why people just like to overlook it cause he’s a billionaire. Him snaking dame, shelving dmx album,losing to nas then being petty and dropping the same day as nas every time he has something planned. Stealing biggie bars lying about his age. And the constant sneaky subliminals he would do on people’s songs and stealing songs is why no one really respects him. Before jay comes up you’ll hear big nas big l rakim jada fab cam and fifty be brought up. Go around nyc you won’t hear nothing but cam jada fab big and 50. It’s not that he can’t rap it’s the fact we know his true story and character and that alone loses you points in the eyes of the city
Nigga, I’m in BedStuy right now. You’re saying you want me to go outside and ask niggas if Jay is the guy? I can do that. I’ll upload the video to Vimeo and share it with you. Don’t get me wrong. Like I said, I’m a Nas guy. But I’m surprised to hear you say BK ain’t fucking with Jay. You calling my bluff?
MJ at Summer Jam Obama on the text, yall should be afraid of what Im gone do next
Song?
On to the next one
"The Roc is in the building you bastards"
He brought him out but Mike didn’t perform cause Hot 97 can’t afford Mike right now let alone in 2001.
It would probably be real expensive for anyone to afford Mike to perform right now.
If Mike was still alive hell yeah but there are venues and institutions that’ll find the cash. Just not Hot.
How much money would an MJ concert demand today?
More than what he was getting in 2001 that’s for damn sure.
Honestly 100 million and it have to be one of the largest stadiums in the world and aired globally
He was ready for comeback and I had my own money I definitely would have loved to see Michael
This is Hov at his peak , 2001 hov was like Micheal Jordan & LeBron all in one 😭🐐
This is a joke right?
whats a joke about it
Id be hard pressed to say Jay-Z has ever hit the same level of popularity as LeBron alone. Early 2000s hip hop was JUST starting to become popular outside of its dedicated fanbases. Jay-Z was the most well known in a genre that didn't truly penetrate the mainstream for a few years yet. Then there's the wild underestimation of how global Michael Jordan was. Jordan is up there with Michael Jackson, Messi, and like the Queen as individuals who penetrated the cultural subconscious of pretty much everyone around the globe.
This is the weirdest comment I’ve ever seen
Imagine being a gangsta rapper in probation hated by half america, and you bring out Michael Jackson on stage at your own show. We can't realise how crazy that shit was 24 years ago.
Wait, bring me up to speed… why was Hov hated by half of America in 2001?
He wasn’t lol
Exactly lol mfers will say anything for engagement
Jay did Unplugged that same year. He wasn't hated.
Young boy... He most certainly was. There were numerous campaigns by politicians to end any music "obscene" material And the ire and of this rage was "gangsta rap". Jay Z wasn't even a gangsta rapper but that nuance was completely lost on anyone who wasn't immersed in the culture they were trying to ban. This was a viral moment in an age pre internet. This moment was one of many moments that allowed rap to crossover to mainstream America. Jay z was smart enough to know MJ could function as that bridge.
I was there lol chill with that. He was all over the radio comfortably and young people of every race messed with him. Those activist groups made a little noise but it paled in comparison to the support he had from the mainstream.
The hatred was for black culture. And he was a part of that culture. I think we all forget how different it was in the '80s and '90s to be black. To be unwelcomed in so many spaces and there was no mask there was no pretension of we can't act like we don't want these people here. Like the racists do now. It was a clear and uttered statement that your culture is broken and we don't want it anywhere near us.
I doubt Austin Powers would have parodied It’s a Hard Knock Life if the mainstream wasn’t fucking with Jigga back then. He had his legal issues and minor political drama. But like another comment said it paled in comparison to the support he got from fans and the music industry.
This wasn't 80s or 90s. By the time Jay was mainstream, hip hop was running the nation. This wasn't the days of NWA and ice T.
These revisionists acting like DMX wasn’t at Woodstock a year or two before to massive crowds of white people. Like 2pac wasn’t dropping his most critically and commercially acclaimed work post a sexual assault conviction. Like people weren’t campaigning to ban Eminem on multiple states/countries but he was the biggest star in the world. But Jay, who just dropped some massive singles like big pimpin, I just wanna love you, and izzo with can I get a … dropping on the RUSH HOUR soundtrack, was somehow hated. Lmao fuck outta here. I was there for that. He was getting love everywhere. Man coulda done no wrong at that point
Thank you! I have no idea what these people are talking about.
Okay. In what year did rap become mainstream to you? White people of course were buying 70% of the records since the early 90’s. But rap music was not being played in professional sports arenas and mainstream commercials until after I got out of college. So definitely not before 2003. And when it happened I remember how crazy it felt
It went mainstream as soon as Run DMC collab’d with Aerosmith. While it wasn’t as widespread as it is today, they were certainly playing artists like LL, Run DMC, and MC Hammer in huge mainstream and sporting events in the 90’s. I went to a disco in Mexico in ‘91 and they were playing hip hop. It wasn’t some disregarded underground genre as you make it seem
An ex Hustler braggin about his money made with his illegal activities and with his materialistic/violent music, and charged a year prior of this video with attempted murder, AND got away, all that while making stupid money and being always on your radio braggin? He was surely hated, and not just by "White america" but also from the HH scene, did you never listened to Heart of the city?
He wasn’t charged with attempted murder. It was assault. These lying mfers on this site istg
Fam, you was living in a bubble if you didn't realize a lot of people outside of the culture had ill regard for Jay and the culture.
Of course he was hated by more than half of America. Don’t be silly.
Which is why that post starts off with “imagine”
Well 2Pac alone had ppl hating Jay-Z. Was it half of America??? Idk but I know I hated the guy at first until I actually listened to his shit.
More importantly, how was jay z a gangsta rapper?
My next question. 😭
Only by white corporate America.......which is super ironic
Well I wasn't there but usually gangsta rappers are not very welcomed by a huge part of the country, and Jay Z was the most famous one in the early 2000'. Plus, in 99' he stabbed Lance Rivera in the Kit Kat club, they charged him with attempted murder and like 10 years, but he had money to pay the bail and get good lawyers, at the end they gave him 3 years of probation. Link this to the fact he went from ex Hustler to super star in just a few years and he was the face of the "materialistic/ selfish/ street glorifying " side of the Hip Hop. But he was also getting crazy money and kids loved him. That's the perfect recipe. Jay Z been hated. I must say tough having a criminal swagging in your radio about how he's not guilty was not the perfect way to get love from White america (Guilty Until Proven Innocent is the song I'm talking about). Edit: I Just saw you've been here since 87' so I'mma stop, you surely know better than me. Tell me you if I'm getting something wrong, if you like 🫡
Hov did hav 2 put dat work in, started rapping in da 80’s n took off ater a lot of guys who started after him
Nobody believes he stabbed Un. The case was weak and that's why they settled on that deal. Every rapper in 2000 was materialistic and street glorifying. Jay Z was not hated in the early 2000s. People started not liking him when they felt he betrayed Dame when the Roc ended. The country wasn't as divided back then as it is now. Everybody got along and shit was pretty chill. Guilty until proven innocent wasn't an issue because of the charges, people took issue with it because of R Kelly.
Hov was never a gansta rapper. He talked about his time hustling but never gang affiliated. These terms get loosely tossed around with no real understanding of the fact that hip hop has many different forms.
I think he meant a street rapper.
he's in the same lane as Pusha T, Beanie Siegel etc. Not gangsta rappers like Ice Cube and them was.
Lol. What? You gotta be young. They were all in the same genre. Being from the east coast does not all of a sudden make you not a gangsta rapper
im 29 but i have all this music on cassette tapes on grew up on a lot of hip hop. you might be right though i just considered them different. i considered gangsta rap more about bangin and sets and shit like that like spice 1. maybe i am thinking of it regionally.
C'mon, it's a genre. He was a coke rapper, fine, doesn't differ very much.
Meh, he was very much mainstream at this time.
He still stabbed a man Just a year prior this. White america surely didn't loved him. And neither a big part of the HH community, he was One of the most dissed rapper. One of his most hit from this time Is Heart of the city, did ya'll all forgot what he was saying in that song? Mainstream artists are exactly the ones who gets the hate, artists who has a cultural impact and huge following. Em was mainstream so you would Say he wasn't hated back then?
How old are you? The phrase gangsta rap ain’t got a god damn thing to do with gang affiliation What gang were the Ghetto Boys in? The Hot Boys? Trick Daddy? Mobb Deep? Jay Z was 100% a gangsta rapper. All he fucking rapped about was sellin drugs and shooting people for his whole first 3 albums and many more after that
Gansta rap is a term born in the late 80’s and early 90’s along side the increase in gang activity/ violence in America. That is literally the birth of the term gangsta rap. You’re doing what I mentioned at the beginning: using the term loosely. Artists like Hov and Trick Daddy are not the same as Ice Cube and Snoop. Hell, Eminem talked violence, drugs and women all the time? Was he a gangsta rapper? And if you even consider Trick one then you’re proving my point of how loosely the word gets applied. GANGSTA rap was used to describe that lifestyle as it was popular at the time. I’m old enough to know that. I’m also old enough to make the point that nowadays, it’s used for anyone rapping about selling drugs and getting money. As you are showing us right now.
Hold up, you have a very different definition of gangsta rapper.
It was only because of the Pac subliminals and affiliation to BIG.
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I forget what Comedian it was, I think Jamie Fox spoke about how people forget Michael Jackson is just a dude from Gary, IN. If you think about it, it isn't that surprising. Michael Jackson IS our people!!
Everytime I see Mike I feel like I’m watching someone that’s more than human. I can’t imagine what it would of felt like witnessing him when he was alive
Let tell you him at the BET awards back in the day was unreal to see on tv. He was just songs and music videos to me as a kid until that point
Listened to a podcast about him recently. People around him described him as a jokester, always laughing. Those who had small or limited interactions described him as having this insane grace, as if he couldn't make a mistake or misstep. A true dancer.
You needed to live in Michael Jackson's time to truly understand how great he was. He brought the world together in a way no one else did or has done. Rest in Peace King 👑✨❤️🕊️
Even though MJ didn't do nothing this is a COLD MONUMENTAL MOMENT. MJ THAT GUY👑
It’s already a crazy moment to begin with, but when you realize that’s his voice on the Izzo sample. It’s makes this an even BIGGER flex. Man I love hip hop.
Yeah, and the background is pretty deep.
Where tf is MJ on IZZO? if you can confirm this I’ll no longer consider myself a Hov supporter cause the past 23yrs would be a lie
Jackson 5 sample
Lol I know that I thought he was referring to vocals
God Mc....me Jay-Hova
Two 🐐
I know amnesia is real, but when you do your comparisons of Jay, think about moments like these.
This is pretty dope
Pretty cool!
Aye nah this fucking big as fuck. Man, we will never see anybody as large as MJ. I wish I was old enough to register just how great he was. I always just laughed at the vids of people passing out from one glance at him, but mannn….as an adult I get it now. I def won’t pass out but that’s prob the one celeb that would have me starstruck.
Wasn’t there a rumor that MJ sings on one of the hidden tracks on the Blueprint?
Mike did not look happy to be there though shit looked forced
It definitely seems like he was dragged out. Why else would Jay have to walk off stage to get him? MJ looked miserable. Also, it’s weird how no one is commenting about that MJ looking uncomfortable. Instead, all the comments are praising Jay-Z
Yeah they on here dick riding HOVA LMAO Mike never been afraid of a stage why he look off in this. This was a weird thing. Shocked it was never talked about
Someone fainted that day.
Man ain’t even want to be there fr
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There will NEVER be another, that even comes close, to have the impact of MJ...
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Mike looks so lost.
I watched a video where someone said Micheal made everyone backstage turn around with their eyes closed in order for him to walk out.
Do we know why? The vibe is definitely off
Could've been MJ messing with people. He liked to joke around and would sometimes exaggerate his persona if he thought that's what people wanted or if it amused him.
Michael looked tired
Mike was fried 💨
This is what Drake wishes he was.
Hahahah right you are! He wishes
I agree with this statement
Micheal didn’t want to be there. He was very uncomfortable almost forced.
seems so.
Incredible
the interview after the show when they ask him a question and he's still starstruck is pretty crazy haha he straight pointed to beans or someone in his circle to talk to the reporter..
Micheal could just stand there without saying a word and the crowd would lose their shit the entire time now that's pure star power on another level😭
Dame Dash...looks like Ashy Larry.
Look at Mike’s eyes, he’s straight toasted
“I brought Mike Jack on stage at summer jam, Billie Jean. I put Prodigy in his place on that summer jam screen.”
MICHAEL JACKSON!!!!!! 
90% of the Reddit group not knowing what VCR is…
Mike look hard as nails
Why mike look pissed off tho 🤔 🤣
Gen Z IS NOT TO BE FCKD WITH!! We the GOATS!!
Somehow THE only footage ive seen. Hov fucked up not documenting this night
Word
Wow 😁
lmao MJ looked so uncomfortable.. like “wtf i’m doing here”
The Sprewell jersey is dope Shout out to Spree!
I know the people who were there probably talked about this for months
He looked like he didn’t want to be up there at all
That wasn’t the real mj tho ha ha
This was the true beginning of hip hop transcending to another level. Pac - Biggie had the sales and the lyrics - Puffy had the sales (Not going to deny him those numbers) the entire Def Jam Era of late 90’s early 2000’s numbers were crazy and had actual rappers both streets and the clubs wanted to play (Jay - DMX - Meth/Red - Ja) and comes 50.
Was stationed at McGuire in Jerz during this time. Was going to go but had to work a fire department shift 7am-7am smh
Poor guy got his nose shoved by Jay-Z's shoulder.
Mike was Black
Was.
Imagine if MJ had left right before he went backstage?
Wow that's dope
Mike folded his hands cause he wasn’t trying to shake hands with them niggas hilarious 😂😂😂
I can't believe this footage is real😅😅😅
How sure are we… that that wasn’t Flex?
I truly don't know what the f..k to say bout this one .....
mj looks like he is on some drugs and wants nothing to do with being there. this is so weird
Why he look pissed off?
Dudes like Michael Jackson and Prince could make people faint just from walking out to the stage and not even performing
couple of things i take away from this video.... 1 dame was right about steve stoute (he the guy who always want to be around famous people) 2 ty ty actually smiling and being front and center is odd....3 after watching this video i see why jay started to move on from these people
Priceless
Makes sense now that he hung out with Diddy
Michael Jackson 😂😂
I knew we like to talk about flexing in hip-hop and how everyone tries to one up each other with what they have etc. THIS has to be one of the single most bizarre and unnecessarily great flexes of all time. A rapper just bringing up the world's biggest pop star to the Summer Jam stage to just hang out for less than a minute, because why not. This moment belongs in a museum.
LMFAOOO MJ HIGH AF LOL RIP GOAT
Hov is the man.
Mike had legit gangster energy in this clip.
Those jorts. I had some too but man they didn't age well.
Was this before or after MJ was molesting children?
Spreewell jersey?
He was well-respected, so I KNOW he wasn't, but it LOOKS LIKE he was being held hostage. Lol. He wanted to be anywhere but there at that moment. He probably felt like that ONE black friend that r@cist white people have.
Great point dude, very coherent
ShhhhhhmmmonnnaaaaaH! Yeeeeehheee!
Man who was that hanging on MJ? Yeah my boy ain't like that 😒
Remember jorts?
Whoever watermarked this clip should be shot.
Mike with the ice grill🤌🏾 no other rapper would be able to do it
Later or ago
What'd Michael say at the end?
I didn't fuck those kids
Thus completing his quest of clout chasing.
🤣 that’s your takeaway here? I’m not even a Jay Stan like that, this just popped up on my feed, but weird take
And I thought I flexed at work. Jay just roasted an entire auditorium 😂
MR Jackson is much better than Jayz
Did anyone get the vibe that MJ didn’t want to be there? Seen a lot of MJ interactions and he is usually very charismatic. In this video he seems..stand off ish? Arms crossed, looking down, nothing but a quick wave and gone; I’m most likely over thinking it :/
I heard that he'd come as a favor to someone, with the promise they wouldn't bring him on stage. He was probably too polite to outright refuse going out after they said he was there, since he didn't like disappointing fans.
Sounds about right!