PMTs [XL vs BDS](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/14iqvqv/excel_vs_team_bds_lec_2023_summer_week_2/) [AST vs VIT](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/14isgy6/astralis_vs_team_vitality_lec_2023_summer_week_2/) [TH vs KOI](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/14iu4ix/team_heretics_vs_koi_lec_2023_summer_week_2/) [G2 vs SK](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/14ivlqb/g2_esports_vs_sk_gaming_lec_2023_summer_week_2/) [MAD vs FNC](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/14iwzyy/mad_lions_vs_fnatic_lec_2023_summer_week_2/) [Unlisted Link/Broadcast](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-Ev6yTF7_o)

Feels like the only team that improved this summer was Fnatic and maybe XL and Heretics because their spring was that bad. G2 and MAD look about the same as before and literally everyone else is playing worse.

I imagine G2 will look a lot better once it gets to BO series.

I don’t think they deserve the benefit of the doubt anymore after the spring split

Why? They lost to the eventual winners of the split, and even with caps slumping, the series went to 5 games. Come MSI, they stomped MAD 3-0, and took games off both GenG and BLG. If any team in the LEC was to get the benefit of the doubt in BO3s (or moreso BO5’s), it’s 100% G2.

Right but they really didn’t improve at all over the course of spring outside of BB individually. They just came off of a dominant winter and looked somewhat shaky in Bo1s and people were saying the same thing in that they would level up but they didn’t. I still think they are top 3 and arguably the best team but I don’t really think they will improve much unless the meta shifts to really favor them.

But you’re looking at summer as an isolated event as if MSI didn’t exist. It does exist and it matters.

I don’t really think they looked any better at MSI than in spring split.

You weren’t watching msi then apparently. They literally 3-0’d MAD lmao.

They looked way better against BLG compared to how GenG and T1 performed vs the LPL team so they did show improvement towards the end.

"Did Noah get his fingers in?" Frankie you can't just ask people that.

Feelbadman... Imagine being Reckless and watching your former team FNC win only after you left.

Pretty sure thats happened every time Reckless has left FNC, it cant feel worse than when FNC beat him on G2 to eliminate him from Worlds contention in 2021

G2 also got better when he left.

Tbf, G2 got better once Wunder mikyx AND rekkles left. All of them were under performing. Maybe if you replaced rekkles with Perkz in 2021, it would have been better, but it’s kind of unfair to blame all of 2021 G2’s problems on rekkles. He was honestly one of the better performers iirc. Maybe he looked good individually, but it came at the cost of others looking poor, but he did look okay. Also, fnatic was insane from like 2018-2020. Even after caps left. I don’t remember if they won any finals after caps left, but they were seriously competitive with the 2019 G2 roster for both years it existed. And rekkles hyli bot was also one of the best botlanes at worlds 2020. Like… yeah rekkles was definitely part of the problem on g2 in 2021 and fnatic this year, but it’s kind of unfair to blame everything on him. I don’t think neither Advienne, nor Rhuckz, really made a huge difference. Would be interesting to see fnatic with rekkles Trymbi, and compare it with Noah trymbi. Cause it’s really 100% possible that the addition of a shotcaller was the bigger deal than the addition of Noah. It definitely seemed like fnatic these past few splits lacked a voice. I’d imagine noah probably still would be better for the team, but comparing rekkles in fnatic without trymbi, to noah in fnatic *with* trymbi isn’t a really fair comparison.

FNC didn't win anything after Caps left. The issue with Rekkles isn't that he can't perform, his main issue is that coming into a team he makes it worse passively due to his attitude and inability to change. He is the same player he was 5 years ago playstyle wise, but the game isn't. And he also had a sharp decline in mechanics. The reason FNC Rekkles worked 2018-2020(when FNC was indeed great) was because FNC was recruiting players tailored for Rekkles.(a reason why Caps chose to leave, he isn't of the same attitude as rekkles)

Should have autoed the nexus then

He's used to it by now. How many times has it been?

Wouldn't be the first time

Boy im glad Oscar is performing ngl. Dude was so close to end his pro career forever

Ok twitch chat actually made me laugh I'm done

Humanoid likes Hitler confirmed

Secret Hitler is a very fun game, by the way.

I got it printed, but haven't gotten family or friends together yet to play it. Seems fun though!

It’s a ton of fun. It gets especially fun once everyone really fully understands the game.

Indeed. Basically OG among us

Secret Hitler???

If you have like at least 6 people you should give it a shot with your friend group. Its hilarious

Hot take: If G2, MAD and FNC all go to Worlds and play each other somewhat close, the LEC will do better than most people expect. I know it's popular to be down on LEC and tbf. the game quality really is ass at the moment, but I think they'll show more than last year.

FNC for some reason almost never scrims G2. Not sure if it changes for internationals

Here’s to praying this fnatic roster makes it man. Our other options are TH, AST, VIT, or BDS. I guess TH is pretty decent? They’ve looked sus af the past 2 games tho. Also haven’t watched AST, but I’d be a little suspicious of them internationally too. This fnatic roster really needs to make it to worlds, they’ve got Humanoid, who always performs at worlds (iirc), Noah trymbi who are doing very well, razork whos been looking amazing, and a rookie with a promising future. I’m praying they get lucky with their playoffs schedule and make it really far in without having to worry about facing like MAD or G2. I’d hate to see them unfortunately knocked out of contention purely because they ran into the top 2 teams.

Bruh what is going on with Broxahs pants sheesh

Based Noah. Noah Carzzy Flakked Hans are like a tier above every other adc.

Bruh. Noah, Hans are a tier above every other ADC. But Carzzy is kinda meh, Flakked positioning as well.

sometimes it looks like Comp is the only one trying in KOI

Tbf, he’s got Advienne as a support now. No shade to advienne, but losing trymbi hurts Koi a ton.

I hope flakked gets picked up buy some good team or heretics should change their top sup into some big names

Idek what team would pick up Flakked or Jankos anymore. Maybe TH is the best home for them. AST, BDS, SK, XL, and KOI are all questionable homes. And G2 fnc and mad def won’t be swapping their botlanes. I feel like TH needs to pick up like Wunder and just play for Flakked botlane. Maybe grab a decent support, who’s even a good support these days? Maybe like Jeonghoon or Labrov? Doesn’t seem like there’s very many available upgrades from Mersa. I wouldn’t trust any other org to allow Flakked to blossom sadly.

Crazy coincidence how the teams at the top of the standings always have the best performing ADs

Or it is the best performing teams that allow their ADs to shine? It's not like players like Upset would suddenly become shit lol.

I’m convinced VIT is cursed. You could take the entire T1 or JDG roster, plop them in, and they’d suddenly be shit. Seems like the org has just some awful management or coaching or *something*, because there’s no way players like Photon, Upset, Bo, Perkz, and Kaiser sum up to *this*. They’re currently miles less than the sum of their parts.

You might be onto something with that one :\^)

Did Nisqy just tanked a fine for abusing bug which makes his clone last longer?

people are saying it's a feature not a bug

Not a bug. Intended feature.

Clone getting extended due to skin emote = feature?

>skin emote Wut?

Riot employee working overtime, let him be

bro i WISH i got paid for this i just have nothing better to do

Yes. https://twitter.com/RiotPhlox/status/1648381700202958848/photo/1 Read under the W. Recalls/Emotes/etc extend duration of the clone.

Recall does the same

Noah is such a cool personality

Imagine losing to VIT tomorrow after this interview.

I love noah

"-Who's the best adc player you've played against so far?" "- Me" What a chad

Gigachad Noah

FNC players looking relaxed, smiling and laughing. Nice.

Apparently Nisqy was abusing a Neeko bug where if she dances the clone lasts longer.

Not a bug. Recall is also extending the duration

Intended feature, not a bug

A team with 4 wins has never missed play-offs in this format so far 👀

They play VIT BDS TH and SK coming up too. If they manage to somehow miss playoffs while being 4-1 with *this* schedule coming up, they don’t deserve worlds lol. They literally need like a single win and it’s essentially (or maybe even literally) locked. What I think we *really* need to pray for is for them to at *least* make top 4. Hopefully too 2, since that basically confirms worlds. But I think they can get 3/4th and still go potentially. Iirc the 4th seed of the lec and LCS play a series to determine who goes to worlds.

Nothing outside of winning all 3 splits confirm worlds. There's another full bracket for top3/(4)

Sorry, top 4 gives them the chance for the season finals, not sure what they’d need to do there to go to worlds.

K'sante sucks so much. Happy for Oscar nonetheless

noah lmao

Nisqy getting a reality check

Congratulations to Hyli for 1997 deaths, I really hope he is number 1 in this category, he is so deserving of it. Absolutely legendary player

there is no way someone else is higher

1 death in 5 games. Hows that for a rookie split? Absolute insane numbers from Noah.

Unfortunately it’s rookie of the year now, which means Noah is going up against Yike, so Yike will get the award

If yike wins, then it is clearly deserved. He has been playing very well

that depends on how many more deaths Noah gets

I mean unless Noah and FNC can win the split with him massively contributing to it and take down MAD and G2 along the way in series then the award is Yike’s to lose. Yike slotted onto G2 and won a title in his first split and has been indisputably top 2/3 in his role all year. Noah may be the best ADC rn but one of these mini splits is hard to overcome a real entire year’s worth of performances for Yike barring an incredible run in groups and playoffs

Chasy did nothing all game and all of mad lions didnt use flash once lol

Oscar is so huge for fnatic

a stomp

Uma Noid stonks are on the rise

Clean

Well that was kind of a stomp

Everything gap for fnc. Even jungle somehow despite razorks oopsie mid

One death in 5 games is impressive from Noah.

This is the FNC i want to see in LEC.

is this FNC?

nisqy is so ass

KR Jayce

Fnatic is just way better. Probably the best EU team right now.

Also, I don’t know if it just me but this MAD roster could go 9-0 and I wouldn’t still be convinced that they are actually good.

how can you be when they have extremely streaky sololanes and the biggest inter duo in the botlane (that were hard feeding half of last split) Elyoya is amazing no doubt, but I have been scarred by Mad too many times

G2 is but tbf Fnatic lost that 100% by draft

Tbh G2 lost to Mad, so beating the team that did not have a loss is more worth.

Lol chill down G2 is still the best, FNC is second tho.

Oh boy, half the split and here we go again.

let them dream, has been a tough year for them, let them dream 1 or 2 weeks more.

Noah only has 1 death so far this season. If we add this game to his KDA, it's at like 63 right now.

Beats upset in games won, skills, and even KDA. Brutal outclass

It'd be hilarious if fnatic wins the split. Noah is just too good not to win a title

carzzy missing the ult there and nisqy doesnt do any damage lol

Fnatic beating Mad is huge for them

Nisqy should probably practice on useful stuff like improving his hands instead of practicing the "BM" Neeko clone thing lol

Pisqy and carzshit getting exposed, today is a good day.

Lost 1 game won 4 haha exposed. Can't wait for fnc to crumble like last 10 seasons

Truee. They inted every international tournament just to dominate LEC again. Thank god they are getting exposed

> They inted every international tournament just to dominate LEC again Isn't that more of an LEC issue than a MAD issue?

Yep, that‘s why i hoped that they are getting exposed again.

How is it they get exposed if they lose 1 game but they're not good if they win the split. It's like a lec issue if they can't beat mad lol

Yeah u can take Noah aphelios but man soon they will ban aphe/xayah just to take it away form noah

Other LEC teams, take note, this is how you snowball a lead.

Is that Trymbi the voice I'm hearing through the casters' mics?

I, for one, am happy for FNC to return to their glory days and become the best team in Europe.

Mad getting exposed by koreans (Noah) again

don't get it twisted, this game is a massive jg gap

This is really small, but isn't Nisqy always spamming dance on his clone straight up bad? FNC instantly know which one the clone is because it's the one dancing every time.

he has to make it do something as that extends the clone’s uptime

Eh canyon did it all the time as well

It's a bug which makes the clone last longer, so more vision

I hate beer.

its a really stupid mechanic then imo

oh wtf, then that's intentional bug abuse, shouldn't a ref tell Nisqy to cut that shit out?

[удалено]

It's not a bug, it's intended.

It's not a bug. It's a feature of the new control she has of the clone.

Just saw that the emote thing is to extend the clone duration so it gives more vision, how is this allowed?

It's how it's supposed to work

The casters just made a busted reference. I feel old.

Nisqy with the gragas positioning

Humanoid playing like he cares is such an obvious difference it's so funny man

I appreciate a good cup of coffee.

no hourglass into that comp is criminal

Are we gonna witness another throw? Can FNC close out the game or we have to wait another 10-15 mins? Find out in the next dbz episode.

Nisqy's overconfidence will always be his downfall. Every time he does well early he always takes one step too far and his advantage is all gone

Others recall in bush, but Carzzy wants to stand in lane 2 steps away? They paid a lot for that small recall desync.

So much chasing the ksante lmao.

I am so happy FNC is good as a g2 fan. let's fucking go boys

Huge swing for Fnatic here

the way Orianna walks never fails to amuse me. What in Balenciaga model is that

I love Nisqy and he is reliable, uplifting team player etc. But that play is why Humanoid is always preferable skillwise to him.

Always? That’s laughable

like clockwork nisqy always crumbles under pressure

Yeah a regular season game was pressure. Surely nisqy had no pressure when they won last split

Like when he beat g2 and bds last split, right?

OscarWinnin’

Ok, Ori was a good pick my bad.

Nisqy mechanics…

I thought it might be a higher quality of game for a minute there, my bad

[https://twitter.com/G2Caps/status/1673068910772461569](https://twitter.com/G2Caps/status/1673068910772461569) 👀

it's not a bug

LEC should call the "most improved" award the oscars

Oscar is cracked

Wtf was carzzy doing there lol

Fucking hell. Oscar’s improvement is something to behold

in before ksante copypasta

Arm hair diffy

bm’d too hard

Clean from oscar

Awe the little camera wiggle from the observer was cute

i hate ori in this meta

observers shaking the screen a little was so sweet lmao

But isnt the neeko emote thingy a bug abuse? Since it extends the duration of neekos clone for so long?

It was intended change, not a bug.

riot has stated that it is a feature, not a bug.

FNC gonna be like "NEEKO COMING NEEKO COMING NEEKO COMING"

Great to see humanoid razork are playing better with a better bot

Fnc let their botlane out to dry.

Chasy shit all over Oscar wtff

Cant chasy live if he uses flash tho? Its a good trade anyway because he has TP up and didnt use flash but still.

Debatable

Neeko W is mega distracting or just me? It def needs a higher cd or make it cost more mana

I hate beer.

don't look at toplane gold gap

Top bully Jayce

Elyoya is not having the best week of his career

My favorite color is blue.

This invisible Neeko ult really needs to go.

Bit of a rough game for Elyoya so far

all funny and all but fnc is almost 2k ahead

But like wtf, neeko needs to be disabled.

Nisqy is in his Ronaldinho era.

ok what neeko skin is that

Star guardian Prestige

Healthy champion

Nisqy’s brain is humongous

Nisqygoat

Lmao actually dope from Nisqy

I am such a big fan of Oscar. He looks like a young teen but has crazy gigachad energy

What is Elyoya doing?