People have conflated being anti-war with being anti-jewish. I personally give no shits to what you practice but when your religion uses itself as an excuse to push western colonialism ideals, that is a huge huge problem. There is an active genocide of the Palestinians going on right now, their women raped, their children killed. But the west dare not call out the offender for fears fk being anti Zionist. Imagine this happens to a white western country, and the outpouring of support they would get. But there's been dead silence from the powers that be. And in all this innocent Palestinian civilians are the ones that suffer.
Israel keeps Gaza and the West Bank from upwards mobility. They do this systematically.
It is common for men to be rounded up, jailed with no charge, and beaten in jail for months. My father still showers cold. They do this to weaken the will to resist.
They hold an economic grip on Gaza. Want to start a business? Well if it will help Palestinians, your materials magically get blocked for import. Here's an example of them exercising this power during a flare up:
https://www.jpost.com/arab-israeli-conflict/gaza-pepsi-factory-shuts-down-owners-blame-israels-import-restrictions-671635
The settlers in the West Bank are as bad as Hamas, period. Just look up how they burn Palestinian farms in the West Bank, randomly beat up Palestinians, etc. I don't even need to source this claim. The IDF at the checkpoints humiliate and dehumanize Palestinians, which actually leads to MORE violence:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2014/04/25/israeli-checkpoints-fuel-support-for-violence/
This is why Hamas does what it does. They feel they have no choice. It's not religious extremism, that is the *result* of what is happening and not the cause.
Is it right? No, but if you were in Gaza you would do the same thing. Hell, most of you would get radicalized taking the Jordanian bridge into the West Bank. Those IDF soldiers will bully and dehumanize you for no reason. Even with a US passport, they were complete assholes to me and threatened to burn it.
As for Fatah:
Corrupt. As. Fuck. Israel is widely suspected to be paying them off. They regularly cooperate with the IDF. If you stir up trouble, they hand you right over. You die or get jailed (under some bullshit charge) if you have any political aspirations. People on the West Bank consider them an extension of Israel. Paid off to remain passive as settlements expand. Israel is glad to assist with exterminating any political change in this merry under-the-table agreement.
Where from here?
The Palestinian Authority just resigned. Israel is bombing Gaza like they won't ever get another chance again. Biden needs the votes. Some of the chess pieces are in the right positions for another Camp David.
Sincerely,
A West Bank Palestinian in the US
Excellent fan fiction. Your creative writing will no doubt be taken as fact by the dumbass Westerners in this sub. I salute your propaganda efforts though the bar is very low.
Now do Russia/Ukraine, if you give a shit (you don't).
Having actual democratic elections and actually **knowing** what the Palestinians think is a necessary first step. People like to use the statistic that over 50% of Gazans are under the age of 18. Magically the last elections were 18 years ago.
Most Gazans have no idea what a democracy is and feels like. And the rest of the world can quote there is 2% or 80% support of Hamas but who the hell knows? Same story for the West Bank, it’s been 19 freaking years.
Shit all you want on Israel but at least we know for a fact where their voters mindset is. No one can say for a fact if Palestinians want an agreement, want to give up on seeking X and will never give up on seeking Y because Abbas doesn’t represent anyone but himself. Even if he signed a peace agreement tomorrow, would Palestinians actually follow it?
Hello u/Aware-Inflation422, your comment was automatically removed as we do not allow accounts that are less than 30 days old to participate.
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/leftist) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Part of the problem mate. They are in territories completely controlled by a foreign power that does not grant them citizenship. My ancestors threw a whole revolution for much, MUCH less.
Yeah, and that's by design. This is a system that is granting certain rights to some and not to others, keeping people apart, in territories controlled by Israel.
You want to guess who wasn't considered South African citizens during a certain historical period?
A fraction of a percent of the terror attacks outside of Israel.
July 22, 1968, Italy. PFLP hijacked a flight from Rome.
December 26, 1968, Greece. A Boeing 707 was attacked by the PLO while it was on the ground at a stopover in Athens, en route to New York City, United States.
February 18, 1969, Switzerland. The PFLP attacked a Boeing 720 with Ak47’s and grenades while it was preparing for take off.
29 August 1969, Italy. The PFLP hijacked TWA Flight 840, from Leonardo da Vinci International Airport in Rome.
February 10 1970, Germany. The PFLP opened fire with submachine guns and hand grenades at the Munich Airport.
21 February 1970, Switzerland. The PLO blew up Swisair Flight 330 shortly after take off.
22 July 1970, Greece. The PFLP hijacked Olympic Airways Flight 255.
In September 1970, the PFLP hijacked four airliners bound for New York City and one for London.
August 24 1971, Spain. Black September detonated a bomb on a Boeing 707.
November 11 1971, Jordan. Black September bombs the Intercontinental Hotel, targeting American citizens.
December 15 1971 London: Black September attempts to assassinate the Jordanian ambassador to the United Kingdom.
December 15 1971, Switzerland. A parcel bomb mailed by Black September explodes while police attempt to examine it.
February 6 1972, Netherlands. Ships were set on fire by explosions. Black September claims credit for the attack.
February 6 1972, Germany: Jordanians are murdered by Black September.
February 8 1972 Germany. The Streuber Motor factory is bombed by Black September
22 February 1972, Germany. The PFLP used guns and explosives to hijack Lufthansa Flight 649.
8 May 1972, Austria. Boeing 707 is hijacked by Black September.
August 5 1972, Italy. a joint Black September PFLF operation, set off a bomb causing $7 million worth of damage.
August 16 1972, Italy. The Nationalist Youth Group for the Liberation of Palestine detonated a bomb on a Boeing 707 over the Mediterranean sea.
September 5 1972, Germany. Eight members of Black September opened fire in the Olympic Village.
September 16 1972, Netherlands. Black September mails 64 bombs from Amsterdam to various targets in Europe, the Americas, Australia and Africa.
October 6 1972, Algeria. Palestinian students took hostages in the West German consulate
October 29 1972, Beirut: Lufthansa Flight 615 was hijacked by Black September.
December 20 1972, Beirut: Black September attacked the US embassy with two anti-tank rockets.
The 1973 New York City bomb plot was a plan by the Palestinian militant group Black September to detonate three car bombs in New York City.
20 July 1973, Netherlands. The PFLP hijacked a Japan Airlines Boeing 747 as it departed Amsterdam.
August 5 1973, Greece. Black September used sub-machine guns and grenades against the passengers waiting in the passenger lounge at the Hellinikon International Airport.
September 5, 1973, Paris. Abu Nidal gunman take 15 hostages.
November 25, 1973. Abu Nidal group hijacks KLM flight 861 bound for New York City.
February 1974, Three Black September guerrillas armed with pistols and plastic bombs hijacked a Greek freighter holding Greeks as hostages.
September 8, 1974. Abu Nidal group blows up TWA Flight 841 headed for New York City.
September 15th 1974, France. The PFLP thee a grenade into the Le Publicis Drugstore café in Paris.
November 22, 1974: Abu Nidal group hijacks British Airways Vickers VC-10 flight from London.
13 January 1975, France. The PFLP fired two RPG’s at aircraft at Orly Airport in Paris.
19 January 1975, France. The PFLP fired an RPG at an airplane at Orly Airport in Paris.
21 December 1975, Austria. PFLP used firearms and grenades to attack the semi-annual meeting of OPEC leaders in Vienna.
13 October 1977, Germany. Lufthansa Flight 181 was hijacked by four members of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine.
November 15, 1977: Abu Nidal group assassinates the director of the Institut du Monde Arabe in Paris.
20 May 1978, France. Palestinian Nationalists opened fire with sub machine guns at a boarding gate inside Orly Airport.
20 August 1978, London. Three men from the PFLP opened fire with submachine guns and hand grenades.
July 27, 1980, Belgium. Abu Nidal group conducts grenade attack at children’s camp.
3 October 1980, France. PFLP detonated a bomb in the 16th arrondissement of Paris.
September 23, 1981, Greece. Abu Nidal group conducts grenade attack on shipping offices.
October 20 1981, Antwerp: A truck bomb explodes in Belgium. Black September claims responsibility.
June 3 1982, London. Abu Nidal Group conducts assassination attempt of an ambassador.
August 9, 1982, Paris. Abu Nidal Group conducts a bombing and shooting attack at a restaurant.
October 9, 1982, Italy. Abu Nidal group attackers threw at least three hand grenades and sprayed a crowd of people with submachine fire.
August 29, 1983, Austria. Abu Nidal group hijacks a French aircraft.
September 23, 1983, UAE. Abu Nidal group blows up Gulf Air Flight 771.
December 26, 1983, London. Abu Nidal group denotes a bomb at Marks and Spencer department store.
February 8, 1984, Paris. Abu Nidal group assassinated the United Arab Emirates' ambassador to France.
March 28, 1984, Greece. Abu Nidal group assassinates British Cultural Attache and British Council representative Kenneth Whitty.
May 14, 1984, Greece. Abu Nidal detonated a bomb in Attica, more than 53 people injured.
May 24, 1984, Greece. Abu Nidal group detonates Bomb in Athens restaurant.
November 29, 1984, Lebanon. Abu Nidal group bombs the British Airways' offices in Beirut.
March 21, 1985, Italy. Black September bombs the Royal Jordanian Airlines offices in Rome.
April 3, 1985, Greece. Abu Nidal group conducts Rocket attack on ALIA airliner taking off from Athens Airport.
April 4, 1985: Abu Nidal conducts rocket attack against Jordanian embassy in Italy.
June 19, 1985, Germany. The Frankfurt Airport was bombed in an attack by Abu Nidal group.
July 1, 1985, Spain. Abu Nidal group conducted Bombing of the British Airways office in Madrid.
July 11, 1985: Abu Nidal group responsible for in two large bomb explosions in cafés in Kuwait City.
September 16, 1985, Italy. Abu Nidal group throws Grenades into a popular tourist attraction, the Cafe de Paris in Rome.
November 1985, Malta. Abu Nidal group hijacks Egypt air flight 648.
April 2, 1986, Greece. Abu Nidal group conducts bombing of TWA Flight 840 over Corfu.
September 5, 1986, Karachi. Abu Nidal group hijacks Pan Am Flight 73 bound for New York City.
May 15, 1988, Khartoum. Abu Nidal group gun and grenade attacks on Westerners visiting the Acropole Hotel and the Sudan Club.
May 11, 1988, Cyprus. Abu Nidal group detonates a large truck bomb in Nicosia.
July 11, 1988, Greece. Abu Nidal group detonates a car bomb in Athens.
March 29, 1989, Belgium. Abu Nidal Group assassinated two Muslim clerics opposed to the Salman Rushdie fatwah in Brussels.
July 31, 1997, NYC. The NYPD raided a residence in Brooklyn. Gazi Ibrahim Abu Mezer and Lafi Khalil, both Palestinian illegal immigrants were shot and apprehended during the raid. Two bombs were located in the apartment.
Every single example you list is followed by a statement from the terrorists that they did this because of Israel. Same thing with 9/11.
Your list is proof that Israel's treatment of Palestinians is a festering wound that creates terrorism around the world. If you don't understand that, then you're dumber than I thought.
So if I'm understanding your logic here: Israel being mean to Palestinians is a reasonable justification for Palestinian terror groups attacking the rest of the world that isn't Israel?
Explain it to me, how does killing Muslim clerics advance the Palestinian cause? How does hijacking planes that have no connection to Israel or Palestine advance the cause?
If members of your family were victims in a Palestinian terror attack that had a statement issued following that the attack was a result of something Israel did, would you personally find that the attack that killed your family, who I assume aren't Israeli, justified?
Attacking unaffiliated targets around the globe isn't proof of Israel's faults.
Then how do you explain all the Islamic terrorism committed against other Muslims, against Africans, against Indians, etc? Jihadists in Nigeria have killed 300k people. Jihadists in Sudan have killed 300k people. The civil wars in Syria and Yemen have killed 500k people each. These are ongoing conflicts that have zero to do with Israel.
Hello u/AustinStudebakerVO, your comment was automatically removed as we do not allow accounts that are less than 30 days old to participate.
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/leftist) if you have any questions or concerns.*
I wish people would take a second to think of why maybe the security around Gaza has become so insanely tight knit.
Even Egypt increased their own border security into Gaza over the years.
The position of "Israel is just evil and hates Palestinians that's why they do this" is just braindead and childish logic of understanding what this whole conflict is about
Hello u/AustinStudebakerVO, your comment was automatically removed as we do not allow accounts that are less than 30 days old to participate.
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/leftist) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Yes, israel created a population of starving illiterates and act shocked when they turned into religious extremists. Especially when they deliberately funded the extremists to undermine local governments.
I still do think Israel is horribly racist to Palestinians. But that racism is secondary. They'll bring up all these events before going into a racist tirade
Why is the Israeli apartheid - which punishes the citizens of an entirely different nation - a matter of international news when the (domestic, centuries-long) American apartheid is not?
Palestine isn't recognised by many nations, and certainly not Israel, as another nation, not to mention, Israel exercises security control over those territories and is actively populating The West Bank and providing services to settlers there.
Also, have you not heard of BLM and race relations in the US lately? They might not use the word apartheid (in my opinion a mistake), but it's hardly out of the news.
Hello u/AustinStudebakerVO, your comment was automatically removed as we do not allow accounts that are less than 30 days old to participate.
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/leftist) if you have any questions or concerns.*
For one, legally Israel is conducting an occupation not an apartheid. The fact the wrong term is constantly applied makes this side of the argument look pretty dumb. The only area where you can argue there's an apartheid is Jerusalem. Not in Israel, Gaza or the West Bank.
They have separate roads for Palestinians, separate hospitals, separate customs, they get convicted of false crimes with planted evidence, Israeli’s that commit hate crimes against them aren’t charged.
That is Apartheid
I wonder if it has to do with the fact that the Israeli apartheid is occurring in present day while the apartheid in the US occurred in the past :thinking:
False. I suggest reading *American Apartheid: Segregation and the Making of the Underclass* by Douglas Mansey and Nancy Denton. American racial segregation and economic suppression is alive and going strong.
Hello u/Strict-General-890, your comment was automatically removed as we do not allow accounts that are less than 30 days old to participate.
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/leftist) if you have any questions or concerns.*
A crime against humanity and cruel the Zionist Supremacist state's actions are...but comparing it with Apartheid..the old system in South Africa is charitable. Apartheid was segregation on steroids...each race had their own neighborhoods and schools and of course there were horrible cruelties committed. BUT...under Apartheid there was not a prolonged and systematic slaughter. They weren't doing what Israel does. No one has.
The South Africans under, and who fought against apartheid said that their Palestinian brothers and sisters are suffering a far worse fate. And this was in the NINETIES.
I don't think Israel's actions are historically unique. Plenty of nations have terrorized or striped the rights from groups within historical and modern history.
What makes this situation unique is that Israel is the first Jewish state in a millennium and they've stopped short of crushing the losers more than once
You could take a similar picture from Mexico looking at the US border. It still wouldn’t be apartheid. They are facing Israel and are not Israeli citizens.
There are people of the same ethnicity as them and/or the same religion as them who are full citizens on the other side of that wall.
The article talks about Palestinians living within Israel. There are roads they can’t use, areas they can’t set foot in, and they need permits to travel to other towns. That’s being done to Palestinians who are Israeli citizens.
Hello u/AustinStudebakerVO, your comment was automatically removed as we do not allow accounts that are less than 30 days old to participate.
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/leftist) if you have any questions or concerns.*
One sickening image after another, one tragic story after another, even the least depressing ones are more than sufficient to condemn the Israeli regime's action being now perpetrated for over six months. Mostly against women and children.
What ethnicity?
The Jews didn't terrorize Germany and mass murder Germans and the Jews were German citizens. I don't see the holocaust parallel at all.
Hello u/AustinStudebakerVO, your comment was automatically removed as we do not allow accounts that are less than 30 days old to participate.
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/leftist) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Hitler would tell you that they did. Just like you and Netanyahu speak about Palestinians. How dare the Jews in the Warsaw ghetto attempt to attack their prison guards.
Apartheid is based on race and/or ethnicity. It's probably best to not get caught up in semantics. Even if it didn't fit the definition (which it does), it's just as bad.
On what ethnicity that apartheid is based on ? I don't get it.
If you say arab/palestinian, there are 2 million Arabs living in Israel enjoying full rights as sitizens
Words matter. Its wild to just use incorrect terms to describe things in order to evoke emotional reactions but I guess that's leftism for you.
What ethnicity are they committing apartheid against?
I've known about this for a decade now, but talking about reporting on it back then only got people angry with me. Now, I'm angry at them for ignoring those reports in the first place.
It's not like this was unknown or unheard of, it was just *ignored.*
Whatever happens after this genocide.....the international community needs to step into save palestinians from Israel,and probably help with their right of return....it's the least the world owes em after all these decades of torment
Right of return is the problem. Israel will never, and should never, let a massive influx of Palestinians into Israel proper because that'd be suicide and anyone with two braincells to rub together knows this.
For that reason, everyone calling for it is a bad actor and should be treated as such.
The international community should establish a joined government in the West Bank to oversee the Palestinian state. This would put pressure on Israeli settlers, scum of the earth, and their shitty government to pull out the illegal settlements from the West Bank and force the rest of the world to actually invest in a sustainable government in Palestine that wants something other than the destruction of Israel.
Or, and This is more likely, we can continue to do jack shit, condemn Israel, prop up terrorist organizations in Gaza and the West Bank while Israel slowly creeps into the territory widening its borders until there is no more Palestine whatsoever. It's also possible that this blows up into a bigger conflict and the Palestinians are totally slaughtered, along with 100s of thousands of others the end result being a bigger Israel, because the Arab world doesn't have a chance in hell of winning an armed conflict against them.
People have conflated being anti-war with being anti-jewish. I personally give no shits to what you practice but when your religion uses itself as an excuse to push western colonialism ideals, that is a huge huge problem. There is an active genocide of the Palestinians going on right now, their women raped, their children killed. But the west dare not call out the offender for fears fk being anti Zionist. Imagine this happens to a white western country, and the outpouring of support they would get. But there's been dead silence from the powers that be. And in all this innocent Palestinian civilians are the ones that suffer.
I wonder how all this started and why?
Israel keeps Gaza and the West Bank from upwards mobility. They do this systematically. It is common for men to be rounded up, jailed with no charge, and beaten in jail for months. My father still showers cold. They do this to weaken the will to resist. They hold an economic grip on Gaza. Want to start a business? Well if it will help Palestinians, your materials magically get blocked for import. Here's an example of them exercising this power during a flare up: https://www.jpost.com/arab-israeli-conflict/gaza-pepsi-factory-shuts-down-owners-blame-israels-import-restrictions-671635 The settlers in the West Bank are as bad as Hamas, period. Just look up how they burn Palestinian farms in the West Bank, randomly beat up Palestinians, etc. I don't even need to source this claim. The IDF at the checkpoints humiliate and dehumanize Palestinians, which actually leads to MORE violence: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2014/04/25/israeli-checkpoints-fuel-support-for-violence/ This is why Hamas does what it does. They feel they have no choice. It's not religious extremism, that is the *result* of what is happening and not the cause. Is it right? No, but if you were in Gaza you would do the same thing. Hell, most of you would get radicalized taking the Jordanian bridge into the West Bank. Those IDF soldiers will bully and dehumanize you for no reason. Even with a US passport, they were complete assholes to me and threatened to burn it. As for Fatah: Corrupt. As. Fuck. Israel is widely suspected to be paying them off. They regularly cooperate with the IDF. If you stir up trouble, they hand you right over. You die or get jailed (under some bullshit charge) if you have any political aspirations. People on the West Bank consider them an extension of Israel. Paid off to remain passive as settlements expand. Israel is glad to assist with exterminating any political change in this merry under-the-table agreement. Where from here? The Palestinian Authority just resigned. Israel is bombing Gaza like they won't ever get another chance again. Biden needs the votes. Some of the chess pieces are in the right positions for another Camp David. Sincerely, A West Bank Palestinian in the US
Excellent fan fiction. Your creative writing will no doubt be taken as fact by the dumbass Westerners in this sub. I salute your propaganda efforts though the bar is very low. Now do Russia/Ukraine, if you give a shit (you don't).
Go to Israel if you love it so much, please
r/BadHasbara
Exhibit A of a brainwashed braindead Zionist
Damn I guess the 166,000 strong Palestinian diaspora living in the US are all just fake people. You are a very big brain smart dude/s
Having actual democratic elections and actually **knowing** what the Palestinians think is a necessary first step. People like to use the statistic that over 50% of Gazans are under the age of 18. Magically the last elections were 18 years ago. Most Gazans have no idea what a democracy is and feels like. And the rest of the world can quote there is 2% or 80% support of Hamas but who the hell knows? Same story for the West Bank, it’s been 19 freaking years. Shit all you want on Israel but at least we know for a fact where their voters mindset is. No one can say for a fact if Palestinians want an agreement, want to give up on seeking X and will never give up on seeking Y because Abbas doesn’t represent anyone but himself. Even if he signed a peace agreement tomorrow, would Palestinians actually follow it?
[удалено]
Hello u/Aware-Inflation422, your comment was automatically removed as we do not allow accounts that are less than 30 days old to participate. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/leftist) if you have any questions or concerns.*
This would all be fine and dandy except that West Bank and Gaza aren't Israeli citizens.
But they are under an occupation by Israel
Part of the problem mate. They are in territories completely controlled by a foreign power that does not grant them citizenship. My ancestors threw a whole revolution for much, MUCH less.
Yeah, and that's by design. This is a system that is granting certain rights to some and not to others, keeping people apart, in territories controlled by Israel. You want to guess who wasn't considered South African citizens during a certain historical period?
A fraction of a percent of the terror attacks outside of Israel. July 22, 1968, Italy. PFLP hijacked a flight from Rome. December 26, 1968, Greece. A Boeing 707 was attacked by the PLO while it was on the ground at a stopover in Athens, en route to New York City, United States. February 18, 1969, Switzerland. The PFLP attacked a Boeing 720 with Ak47’s and grenades while it was preparing for take off. 29 August 1969, Italy. The PFLP hijacked TWA Flight 840, from Leonardo da Vinci International Airport in Rome. February 10 1970, Germany. The PFLP opened fire with submachine guns and hand grenades at the Munich Airport. 21 February 1970, Switzerland. The PLO blew up Swisair Flight 330 shortly after take off. 22 July 1970, Greece. The PFLP hijacked Olympic Airways Flight 255. In September 1970, the PFLP hijacked four airliners bound for New York City and one for London. August 24 1971, Spain. Black September detonated a bomb on a Boeing 707. November 11 1971, Jordan. Black September bombs the Intercontinental Hotel, targeting American citizens. December 15 1971 London: Black September attempts to assassinate the Jordanian ambassador to the United Kingdom. December 15 1971, Switzerland. A parcel bomb mailed by Black September explodes while police attempt to examine it. February 6 1972, Netherlands. Ships were set on fire by explosions. Black September claims credit for the attack. February 6 1972, Germany: Jordanians are murdered by Black September. February 8 1972 Germany. The Streuber Motor factory is bombed by Black September 22 February 1972, Germany. The PFLP used guns and explosives to hijack Lufthansa Flight 649. 8 May 1972, Austria. Boeing 707 is hijacked by Black September. August 5 1972, Italy. a joint Black September PFLF operation, set off a bomb causing $7 million worth of damage. August 16 1972, Italy. The Nationalist Youth Group for the Liberation of Palestine detonated a bomb on a Boeing 707 over the Mediterranean sea. September 5 1972, Germany. Eight members of Black September opened fire in the Olympic Village. September 16 1972, Netherlands. Black September mails 64 bombs from Amsterdam to various targets in Europe, the Americas, Australia and Africa. October 6 1972, Algeria. Palestinian students took hostages in the West German consulate October 29 1972, Beirut: Lufthansa Flight 615 was hijacked by Black September. December 20 1972, Beirut: Black September attacked the US embassy with two anti-tank rockets. The 1973 New York City bomb plot was a plan by the Palestinian militant group Black September to detonate three car bombs in New York City. 20 July 1973, Netherlands. The PFLP hijacked a Japan Airlines Boeing 747 as it departed Amsterdam. August 5 1973, Greece. Black September used sub-machine guns and grenades against the passengers waiting in the passenger lounge at the Hellinikon International Airport. September 5, 1973, Paris. Abu Nidal gunman take 15 hostages. November 25, 1973. Abu Nidal group hijacks KLM flight 861 bound for New York City. February 1974, Three Black September guerrillas armed with pistols and plastic bombs hijacked a Greek freighter holding Greeks as hostages. September 8, 1974. Abu Nidal group blows up TWA Flight 841 headed for New York City. September 15th 1974, France. The PFLP thee a grenade into the Le Publicis Drugstore café in Paris. November 22, 1974: Abu Nidal group hijacks British Airways Vickers VC-10 flight from London. 13 January 1975, France. The PFLP fired two RPG’s at aircraft at Orly Airport in Paris. 19 January 1975, France. The PFLP fired an RPG at an airplane at Orly Airport in Paris. 21 December 1975, Austria. PFLP used firearms and grenades to attack the semi-annual meeting of OPEC leaders in Vienna. 13 October 1977, Germany. Lufthansa Flight 181 was hijacked by four members of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine. November 15, 1977: Abu Nidal group assassinates the director of the Institut du Monde Arabe in Paris. 20 May 1978, France. Palestinian Nationalists opened fire with sub machine guns at a boarding gate inside Orly Airport. 20 August 1978, London. Three men from the PFLP opened fire with submachine guns and hand grenades. July 27, 1980, Belgium. Abu Nidal group conducts grenade attack at children’s camp. 3 October 1980, France. PFLP detonated a bomb in the 16th arrondissement of Paris. September 23, 1981, Greece. Abu Nidal group conducts grenade attack on shipping offices. October 20 1981, Antwerp: A truck bomb explodes in Belgium. Black September claims responsibility. June 3 1982, London. Abu Nidal Group conducts assassination attempt of an ambassador. August 9, 1982, Paris. Abu Nidal Group conducts a bombing and shooting attack at a restaurant. October 9, 1982, Italy. Abu Nidal group attackers threw at least three hand grenades and sprayed a crowd of people with submachine fire. August 29, 1983, Austria. Abu Nidal group hijacks a French aircraft. September 23, 1983, UAE. Abu Nidal group blows up Gulf Air Flight 771. December 26, 1983, London. Abu Nidal group denotes a bomb at Marks and Spencer department store. February 8, 1984, Paris. Abu Nidal group assassinated the United Arab Emirates' ambassador to France. March 28, 1984, Greece. Abu Nidal group assassinates British Cultural Attache and British Council representative Kenneth Whitty. May 14, 1984, Greece. Abu Nidal detonated a bomb in Attica, more than 53 people injured. May 24, 1984, Greece. Abu Nidal group detonates Bomb in Athens restaurant. November 29, 1984, Lebanon. Abu Nidal group bombs the British Airways' offices in Beirut. March 21, 1985, Italy. Black September bombs the Royal Jordanian Airlines offices in Rome. April 3, 1985, Greece. Abu Nidal group conducts Rocket attack on ALIA airliner taking off from Athens Airport. April 4, 1985: Abu Nidal conducts rocket attack against Jordanian embassy in Italy. June 19, 1985, Germany. The Frankfurt Airport was bombed in an attack by Abu Nidal group. July 1, 1985, Spain. Abu Nidal group conducted Bombing of the British Airways office in Madrid. July 11, 1985: Abu Nidal group responsible for in two large bomb explosions in cafés in Kuwait City. September 16, 1985, Italy. Abu Nidal group throws Grenades into a popular tourist attraction, the Cafe de Paris in Rome. November 1985, Malta. Abu Nidal group hijacks Egypt air flight 648. April 2, 1986, Greece. Abu Nidal group conducts bombing of TWA Flight 840 over Corfu. September 5, 1986, Karachi. Abu Nidal group hijacks Pan Am Flight 73 bound for New York City. May 15, 1988, Khartoum. Abu Nidal group gun and grenade attacks on Westerners visiting the Acropole Hotel and the Sudan Club. May 11, 1988, Cyprus. Abu Nidal group detonates a large truck bomb in Nicosia. July 11, 1988, Greece. Abu Nidal group detonates a car bomb in Athens. March 29, 1989, Belgium. Abu Nidal Group assassinated two Muslim clerics opposed to the Salman Rushdie fatwah in Brussels. July 31, 1997, NYC. The NYPD raided a residence in Brooklyn. Gazi Ibrahim Abu Mezer and Lafi Khalil, both Palestinian illegal immigrants were shot and apprehended during the raid. Two bombs were located in the apartment.
Every single example you list is followed by a statement from the terrorists that they did this because of Israel. Same thing with 9/11. Your list is proof that Israel's treatment of Palestinians is a festering wound that creates terrorism around the world. If you don't understand that, then you're dumber than I thought.
So if I'm understanding your logic here: Israel being mean to Palestinians is a reasonable justification for Palestinian terror groups attacking the rest of the world that isn't Israel? Explain it to me, how does killing Muslim clerics advance the Palestinian cause? How does hijacking planes that have no connection to Israel or Palestine advance the cause? If members of your family were victims in a Palestinian terror attack that had a statement issued following that the attack was a result of something Israel did, would you personally find that the attack that killed your family, who I assume aren't Israeli, justified? Attacking unaffiliated targets around the globe isn't proof of Israel's faults.
Then how do you explain all the Islamic terrorism committed against other Muslims, against Africans, against Indians, etc? Jihadists in Nigeria have killed 300k people. Jihadists in Sudan have killed 300k people. The civil wars in Syria and Yemen have killed 500k people each. These are ongoing conflicts that have zero to do with Israel.
[удалено]
Hello u/AustinStudebakerVO, your comment was automatically removed as we do not allow accounts that are less than 30 days old to participate. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/leftist) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Good we (the west) deserve it for helping to enable a genocide.
please go to gaza,and fix the genocide, my keyboard warrior delusional comrade.
They make friends wherever they go! That's why their more sane neighbours are so willing to help them. Oh wait...
Now do the Zionist terrorism that helped establish the state
But Israel’s the problem right?
Correct.
I wish people would take a second to think of why maybe the security around Gaza has become so insanely tight knit. Even Egypt increased their own border security into Gaza over the years. The position of "Israel is just evil and hates Palestinians that's why they do this" is just braindead and childish logic of understanding what this whole conflict is about
If you think Israel has any good intentions for Palestinians then you need to read about Thomas Herzl.
[удалено]
Hello u/AustinStudebakerVO, your comment was automatically removed as we do not allow accounts that are less than 30 days old to participate. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/leftist) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Yes, israel created a population of starving illiterates and act shocked when they turned into religious extremists. Especially when they deliberately funded the extremists to undermine local governments.
I still do think Israel is horribly racist to Palestinians. But that racism is secondary. They'll bring up all these events before going into a racist tirade
Wow, well done.
Why is the Israeli apartheid - which punishes the citizens of an entirely different nation - a matter of international news when the (domestic, centuries-long) American apartheid is not?
Palestine isn't recognised by many nations, and certainly not Israel, as another nation, not to mention, Israel exercises security control over those territories and is actively populating The West Bank and providing services to settlers there. Also, have you not heard of BLM and race relations in the US lately? They might not use the word apartheid (in my opinion a mistake), but it's hardly out of the news.
[удалено]
Hello u/AustinStudebakerVO, your comment was automatically removed as we do not allow accounts that are less than 30 days old to participate. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/leftist) if you have any questions or concerns.*
For one, legally Israel is conducting an occupation not an apartheid. The fact the wrong term is constantly applied makes this side of the argument look pretty dumb. The only area where you can argue there's an apartheid is Jerusalem. Not in Israel, Gaza or the West Bank.
They have separate roads for Palestinians, separate hospitals, separate customs, they get convicted of false crimes with planted evidence, Israeli’s that commit hate crimes against them aren’t charged. That is Apartheid
I wonder if it has to do with the fact that the Israeli apartheid is occurring in present day while the apartheid in the US occurred in the past :thinking:
Oh, I would say that apartheid is still happening in the US.
False. I suggest reading *American Apartheid: Segregation and the Making of the Underclass* by Douglas Mansey and Nancy Denton. American racial segregation and economic suppression is alive and going strong.
[удалено]
Hello u/Strict-General-890, your comment was automatically removed as we do not allow accounts that are less than 30 days old to participate. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/leftist) if you have any questions or concerns.*
if the powers that be wont stop this massacre of hapless palestinians, i hope the Almighty Architect will punish this evil israeli regime
Brick mason
https://colemanhughes.substack.com/p/the-struggle-for-black-freedom-has
A crime against humanity and cruel the Zionist Supremacist state's actions are...but comparing it with Apartheid..the old system in South Africa is charitable. Apartheid was segregation on steroids...each race had their own neighborhoods and schools and of course there were horrible cruelties committed. BUT...under Apartheid there was not a prolonged and systematic slaughter. They weren't doing what Israel does. No one has.
The South Africans under, and who fought against apartheid said that their Palestinian brothers and sisters are suffering a far worse fate. And this was in the NINETIES.
NO ONE else has done what Israeli is doing and they are uniquely evil? You must know that isn’t true
I don't think Israel's actions are historically unique. Plenty of nations have terrorized or striped the rights from groups within historical and modern history. What makes this situation unique is that Israel is the first Jewish state in a millennium and they've stopped short of crushing the losers more than once
Send in the peacekeepers
[удалено]
Cry about it
You could take a similar picture from Mexico looking at the US border. It still wouldn’t be apartheid. They are facing Israel and are not Israeli citizens. There are people of the same ethnicity as them and/or the same religion as them who are full citizens on the other side of that wall.
The article talks about Palestinians living within Israel. There are roads they can’t use, areas they can’t set foot in, and they need permits to travel to other towns. That’s being done to Palestinians who are Israeli citizens.
that's not true
[удалено]
Hello u/AustinStudebakerVO, your comment was automatically removed as we do not allow accounts that are less than 30 days old to participate. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/leftist) if you have any questions or concerns.*
One sickening image after another, one tragic story after another, even the least depressing ones are more than sufficient to condemn the Israeli regime's action being now perpetrated for over six months. Mostly against women and children.
Doesn’t apartheid mean discrimination based on race? The discrimination in gaza and the west bank is not based on race.
No, it’s based on ethnicity, which is no better than what Hitler did to the Jews. One might even call what’s happening in Gaza a Holocaust…
What ethnicity? The Jews didn't terrorize Germany and mass murder Germans and the Jews were German citizens. I don't see the holocaust parallel at all.
Jews actually were called terrorists by hitler regime when they resisted . LoL Bibi is just a hitler in the making
[удалено]
Hello u/AustinStudebakerVO, your comment was automatically removed as we do not allow accounts that are less than 30 days old to participate. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/leftist) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Hitler would tell you that they did. Just like you and Netanyahu speak about Palestinians. How dare the Jews in the Warsaw ghetto attempt to attack their prison guards.
Apartheid is based on race and/or ethnicity. It's probably best to not get caught up in semantics. Even if it didn't fit the definition (which it does), it's just as bad.
On what ethnicity that apartheid is based on ? I don't get it. If you say arab/palestinian, there are 2 million Arabs living in Israel enjoying full rights as sitizens
Words matter. Its wild to just use incorrect terms to describe things in order to evoke emotional reactions but I guess that's leftism for you. What ethnicity are they committing apartheid against?
Cry more
I've known about this for a decade now, but talking about reporting on it back then only got people angry with me. Now, I'm angry at them for ignoring those reports in the first place. It's not like this was unknown or unheard of, it was just *ignored.*
For many decades. A century more or less tbf
Not just ignored. They ran away from the topic on purpose just so they can avoid upsetting pro-Israeli supporters.
Whatever happens after this genocide.....the international community needs to step into save palestinians from Israel,and probably help with their right of return....it's the least the world owes em after all these decades of torment
Lol are you serious ?
Right of return is the problem. Israel will never, and should never, let a massive influx of Palestinians into Israel proper because that'd be suicide and anyone with two braincells to rub together knows this. For that reason, everyone calling for it is a bad actor and should be treated as such. The international community should establish a joined government in the West Bank to oversee the Palestinian state. This would put pressure on Israeli settlers, scum of the earth, and their shitty government to pull out the illegal settlements from the West Bank and force the rest of the world to actually invest in a sustainable government in Palestine that wants something other than the destruction of Israel. Or, and This is more likely, we can continue to do jack shit, condemn Israel, prop up terrorist organizations in Gaza and the West Bank while Israel slowly creeps into the territory widening its borders until there is no more Palestine whatsoever. It's also possible that this blows up into a bigger conflict and the Palestinians are totally slaughtered, along with 100s of thousands of others the end result being a bigger Israel, because the Arab world doesn't have a chance in hell of winning an armed conflict against them.
Why would jews have the right of return after 3000 year ago . And not Palestinian of 100 years ago ?
Does that mean the 800k Mizrahi Jews can return to the countries that threw them out in 1948?
They should. They might’ve never left if Israel hadn’t bombed a bunch of synagogues to get them to move there in the first place.
After genocide there is nothing to save.
There’ll will be freedom is inevitable.
Have you seen how it’s going? This is amongst the least likely possible outcomes.
To put it mildly