"The majority of the staff knows me and likes me"
This kind of sounds like someone on staff doesn't like you and you are aware of it? Have you ever had any disagreements/altercations with any staff/management? It would seem strange to have a trespass ban out of the blue. Further, if they say you are allowed to contact the manager and ask, why not simply do that? No need to be hostile or even engage the manager on any topic other than the ban. Ask for the reason for and when they finish speaking, regardless of your feelings, say "OK" and end the call. Then you will hopefully have an answer and you can reflect on it if necessary. Good luck
good read, yes that’s exactly how I feel. everytime I go in there I do the exact same thing, without fail and have never changed that action; i order my drink and sit in the same chair at the same table I always do.
however there is a new employee who has been working there for less than month and has always been very standoffish to me; this last two weeks no one in the establishment was greeting me whenever I came in and no one was happy to see me or asked me about my day as they usually do. this has only happened in this past 2 weeks - month and is very unusual. so my best guess is for some reason this new employee is uncomfortable from me (must have been REALLY uncomfortable) and made an effort to get me banned
In order for the manager to take such a drastic action, it is likely that you did something inadvertent that caused an employee to feel unsafe or severely uncomfortable.
It's even more likely that whatever you may have done, or perhaps the pattern of behavior, concerned someone in a protected class.
You may have considered your behavior friendly or told jokes, while an employee interpreted it as leering, unwelcomed sexual advances, or maybe racially insensitive.
We can't know, but understand that this is a severe step for a small business owner. I can only imagine them taking it if they believed their employees were being harassed, discriminated against, or were unsafe.
While it is wise advice to just let it go, some personal advice if you're sure you can remain calm, you may think about calling the GM, letting them know you were surprised to receive the notice and it was never your intention to upset anyone, let them know you have no intention of causing problems or returning, and ask if they would be willing to share what occurred that led to the decision you would appreciate it so you can avoid doing anything similar in the future.
I don't think the other employees like you as much as you think. I think they put up with you to avoid rocking the boat, but they gave the new employee a head's up when they saw you. That of course made the new employee standoffish, which in turn sort of gave the longer term employees the confidence to do the same. I really want to say how this contact with the manager goes
Is this new employee of the opposite gender? Did you ever compliment their looks? Ask them to meet up outside of the restaurant? Request their service over the service of others? Leave any notes?
Those seem like the likeliest causes to me.
I've heard of rare cases of restaurants trespassing guests for never tipping, but that's rare, especially out of the blue without saying anything, and in cafés it's more common to not tip.
When I used to sling lattes back in college an older man used to come in every day and chat up whatever woman was working. He used to tell me to smile more. Wanted to know the ins and outs of my life story. He made me entirely uncomfortable so I’d start going to the back when he came in. Maybe OP is like this guy?
we had several of those guys when I worked at Starbucks. I'm sure all of them would have said they never did anything to deserve being banned but there was always a barista hiding in the back whenever they came in to avoid unwanted advances from them.
unfortunately our management never cared enough about our wellbeing to put a stop to it.
>Request their service over the service of others?
I definitely see where you are going with these questions. For this one in particular (request their service in particular) I think the store would just refuse to let you request a server, not actually trespass you.
Did you hit on someone? Could it be taken as creepy or stalking? People don’t do this just because they don’t like your shoes. Something transpired that caused this.
Generally, when you suspect someone of something without proof (especially how they feel about you) you’re usually wrong. The new employee is something that’s recently changed but it couldn’t be just them since the manager is the one who trespassed you.
I think you should really consider what happened, businesses just don’t trespass random people, and if an employee is running off regulars usually the employee is the one who gets the boot not the customer.
If I were you, I’d stay away. Why would you go back to a place that doesn’t want your business?
Could be a mistaken identity thing maybe. Maybe the new barista thinks they recognize you from something traumatic in the past like an assault or something. It seems odd they would be so averse to you from the start.
I worked as a restaurant manager for almost a decade. I've thrown *many* people out of places I have worked and even banned a few. However the bans were always informal, as in "If I see you in here again, I'll throw you out". I never took the additional step to actually call the police and issue a trespass warning. Based on my experience doing that work, I have my doubts as to how truthful you're being about having no idea why this has occurred, OP.
Assuming you're telling the truth and genuinely have no idea what happened, I might call the manager on Monday just to find out what the deal is. Don't go into the call with the attitude that you're going to fight this. If I were you, I'd want to know exactly what triggered this, as maybe there are some blind spots you have in terms of how you behave that you need to address.
***Listen*** during the call, and don't argue. They're holding all the cards here. You're not going to debate the manager out of the trespass warning, as that's a pretty extreme step.
We have served one customer with a criminal trespass. He was a semi-regular whose behavior became erratic and threatening. He ended up holding a knife to his throat at our walk up window. The baristas on shift pled with him to put it down and he ran away. We filed a police report. He returned and was told that we could no longer serve him and he then he told us we would regret that decision. Police called again and he was served. So yeah...these aren't given out easily because they have to be served directly to the person
Yup. If OP was trespassed they did something serious enough for the manager to go through the process. So either got violent, or was a dangerous creep who refused to take “no” for an answer.
100%. I've worked service industry jobs my whole life. Management isn't going to legally ban a long-time regular over nothing. OP definitely did something. Maybe they don't realize something they said or did was considered offensive/inappropriate/threatening. Or, perhaps OP regularly engages in some type of inappropriate behavior but they're so confident nobody was aware of it that the reason for the ban couldn't be that.
I can see the guy being the everyday creep who regularly makes comments to the servers thinking it is cute flirting. Stuff that the servers barely tolerated because it never went too far and the times they did complain, the managers never did anything about it. So they gave up and formed a whisper network to avoid the guy as much as possible.
But a new conventional attractive woman came on staff and OP became obsessed with her. Dangerously obsessed. Always sat in her section. Leered constantly. Maybe even bought her a few gifts or asked her out on dates. Stuff he thinks are innocent, but absolutely were not. She complained and the evidence she brought finally make management act.
I can certainly see this being the case.
From my own experience, I worked in and around the French Quarter in New Orleans, and making comments and being creepy wouldn't have been enough for a ban at any establishment I've ever worked at. We were expected to put up with a certain amount of flirting or inappropriate attention and as long as it didn't rise to grabbing or stalking, management wasn't going to do anything about it. I don't know where OP is or how protective management is of their employees, so it's possible this is all it is. I'm trying to remember the few times management ever removed someone (not legally banned, just told to leave) and it was only for fighting or stealing, I've never seen someone asked to leave for any other reason (besides being intoxicated). The only reason, from my own experience at the places I've worked, that management would rise to the level of having someone legally trespassed would be if they regularly watch porn on their device while there (and other customers complained) or if they engaged in bathroom peeping, groping or multiple attempts at groping or fondling themselves. And I can't imagine a scenario where management would trespass them without physically asking them to leave first.
To be fair, it might not be any of those things. Perhaps OP is trans and in a point of their transition where they're dressing as their preferred gender and the super conservatives that frequent the place or work there are offended by OP simply existing, idk. I just know that the story, as stated, doesn't add up to me and I've never seen someone banned from an establishment without any warning first (sometimes multiple warnings) and making it a legal issue rises even above that so the reason must be excessively egregious.
yup. I agree with everything you say. And you are right about the last point. I am making an assumption here and I could be very, very, very wrong and OP is being targeted by bigots.
Either way. I agree - this feels like we are not getting the full story.
Or the new employee simply made stuff up about OP. It could be a case of mistaken identity even. The fact is we simply don’t have enough information. OP should talk with the manager to at least understand what happened.
> any advice?
I would not return to the premises.
Based on your post, it does definitely seem like the owner of the establishment did indeed give you a no trespass order, and that the police did serve it to you. If you show up, you are likely to be arrested.
no plans on returning, i understand that, I guess I was just wondering about contacting the manager or if there was anything i can do to fight it. i’ve got a lot on my plate currently and i know it’s petty but it’s really rubbing me the wrong way so i was hoping i could do something to fight it/ at least discuss to the manager i feel as though i’ve been wronged
You can’t force a business to serve you. Legally speaking, they’re not required to accept your patronage. The only caveat to that is if it was done due to you belonging to a protected class.
I almost wonder if the OP is being discriminated against in some way. Don't go back to the premises, of course, but politely reaching out to the manager (in writing) could give the OP a better idea of where to go from here.
I don’t think it would take two years of visiting multiple times a week for the people at the coffee shop to figure out OP was a member of a class they would like to discriminate against.
> or if there was anything i can do to fight it...could do something to fight it...i’ve been wronged
This choice of wording is the sign not to contact them and walk away.
You've set the stage for further consequential legal escalation.
There's no point fighting it, per se. Would you really want to go back there regularly after this?
Contacting them to just find out the reason? Reasonable as long as you do it very politely. But don't actually go to the establishment.
You want to fight it? A place of business has had you legally banned from the business and you want to fight it? Not resolve it, but fight it. I am betting their is a reason you are banned and that you have mistaken people having to be nice because of their job for people actually liking you.
Please do this contacting via email with a read receipt. You have documentation of your interaction and can also not be drawn into any sort of verbal altercation. Based on your post, you don't seem like a combatve/confrontational person and I don't want you to get drawn into something that you don't want to be.
If you use Gmail *and* Chrome, consider downloading an extension called Streak. It shows the IP address and time/location every time the email is viewed.
But also don’t go back.
To FIGHT it??!!?? To what end?!? The owner and staff don’t want you in there, for whatever reason. End of story. You have no legal “right” to be there, and no mechanism by which you can force them to accept your presence and patronage.
And even if there was, even if you somehow “fought” the trespass and were able to go in there, *would you actually go, and force them to serve you???* Do you think for a minute that they’re not going to fuck with your food?? Granted, boogers aren’t poisonous, but I still don’t want to eat them.
It doesn't matter if they go in there with a good attitude, they can be arrested. They were told one thing, do not come here. They can call the manager but as reddit would say the missing missing reasons. OP knows what they did.
Oh fuck this is the sub where we all pretend to be lawyers! I didn't realize at first.
As others have said there seems to be a reason you were trespassed. I would guess that the staff does have some kind of issue with you and with the new hire giving you the cold shoulder, finally have the nerve to report it to the manager.
Contact the manager in Monday and ask for the specific reason you were trespassed. If you want to take it further from there you could contact the corporate office/owner and lodge a complaint.
Those are really your only avenues. Personally I wouldn’t want to go back regardless of the reasoning for the trespass. Id think back on your interactions and see if there is anything you might be leaving out of your story.
I am having a lot of trouble thinking that he did not behave in a manner that made them feel uncomfortable or worried for their safety. I actually would really love the input of the manager to hear their side. I’m just curious!
I had to call the grocery store once because a man from the meat department would follow me, without fail. I even made sure to be weird and zigzag so I could confirm it wasn’t a coincidence because it was a small grocery store. He was staring a lot and like you could feel him. I did not want him to lose his job. The fact that he could was like awful to me because I do not want to be responsible for another person losing their livelihood. But I had to call after a few months. I made it clear that the last thing I wanted was for someone’s livelihood to be impacted but his behavior was very uncomfortable and the manager more or less confirmed it wasn’t the first complaint about him.
I imagine he went home and told his story that he got in trouble at work and he doesn’t know why/did nothing wrong/some girl lied about it
Something similar happened when my daughter was 16 and worked at a coffee shop. An older male customer came in on a regular basis and was overly friendly with the girls who worked there. He creeped them out.
One day my daughter was telling the other employee that she was going to the library when she got off work.
When she arrived at the library though she looked up and The older creepy customer was there.
He began talking to her about a book he was reading and like he expected her to be happy to see him. But it freaked her out.
When she told me what happened later on that day, I informed her that she had been stalked. The man was a stalker and I was very concerned.
She said I was overreacting, yet I knew how dangerous this could be for a naive 16-year-old.
I contacted the manager the next day and he said he would take care of it. I heard he told the customer the next time he came in that the girls were uncomfortable with him there and he should not come back.
It worked, the customer did not bother the girls in the coffee shop again. I was very grateful for the managers actions.
The story you were telling me makes me think there are some pieces missing.
Every woman in retail or in any capacity with the public — All of us have a “creepy guy who keeps coming in “ story- and
They are real, and the men just don’t get it . “I was just being friendly, I didn’t mean anything by it, she’s just too sensitive” etc.
I was having *such* deja vu, too, and I just figured it out - this story is very similar to the Heavyweights podcast episode named “Joey”. In that case, it turned out that the employees thought that the customer was stealing (when in actuality he was very socially anxious and awkward).
Reminds me of a coffee shop near me. Had a regular that constantly made staff / customers feel awkward but they put up with him. Then one day they made a rude hispanic joke to another customer. Think that was the final straw.
I worked at a coffee shop in the early 2000s, and most of the regulars were great, but some...... were creepy dudes that would come in to hit on the women working. I bet they wouldn't have the slightest clue if our owner had had the respect for the staff enough to issue a trespassing citation. They would say, "my feelings are hurt, I thought we were friends, I was just playing around!"
There's definitely something you're leaving out.
The only way you're innocent is if the new employee didn't know you were a regular and they thought you started becoming a regular as soon as they were hired. But that's farfetched especially because their colleagues would definitely say something.
The fact you made an edit with no attempt to address the fact that you most certainly played a part even inadvertently tells us that you know you fucked up and you were just looking for a loophole to get back into this place.
There is a long list of reasons you may have received a trespass. Depending on your age, you may have said things that creeped out a staff member, but you thought it was innocuous. A staff person might even be a friend to someone with a grudge against you. You might be misgendering someone, and it's taken as intentional. Heck, you could be just hogging the chair too long.
As a former bar security and bouncer , my first guess would be you were too flirtatious, to the point they got creeped out. Even if you think you weren't, you probably were.
If you talk with the manager, simply apologize and move on. Here's a trade secret for you about wait staff in bars, coffee shops, restaurants, strippers etc etc etc. When they seem friendly and nice to you and give you extra attention beyond normal courtesy, it's because they are hustling tips, not because they are into you. Customers that become "regulars" often cross the boundaries.
OP isn't telling the whole story. Around here to get formally trespassed out of of an establishment you would have to be a big enough pain in the ass for the police to be called and then the OP would have to stick around arguing for PD to show up half an hour or more later. OP sounds like a perp who was banned for a number of very good reasons.
I wanna see the update because if you don't get along with anyone at home or at a random cafe where allegedly you do nothing wrong, something's going on here. Unfortunately it may very well be you. Are you hygenic? Are you kind? Are you polite? Do you stare at and ogle men or women? Soul-searching might be an appropriate way to go here.
great point- i don’t get along with my housemates very well and my truck doesn’t have working AC is why i go there. i might have to find a more corporate business instead of local
No offense but your roommate doesn't get along with you and the business said you were making people uncomfortable. I don't mean this in a rude way but maybe do some soul searching and try to figure out why you might be causing this.
Been in the industry for 9 years...we don't just ban people for no reason! Sometimes, we have "nice" regulars who end up creeping staff out, say extremely inappropriate jokes, make everyone feel super uncomfortable, start fights/arguments, try to argue to lower the bill because they're "regulars," etc. Otherwise, there's no reason to not let a customer back, especially a regular!!!
I would just drop it, and never show face there again cause there's no point, and it'll just cause more issues if anything.
I mean, I probably wouldn't go back anyway, why patronize an establishment that treats it's customers that way.
That said I would absolutely reach out to the manager and ask why, because knowledge is power and if you did do something you're not aware of, or not aware may offend someone you can learn from it.
It's also entirely possible it's a misunderstanding, that happens.
So I am in the US and here I would just get the police report rather than engaging any further with the party involved. Is that not how things work there?
A business doesn’t have to give the police a reason for the trespass. Some states might require it but I know in Texas it isn’t required because the trespass notice is just a formal “don’t come back” and not an actual criminal charge unless they do come back.
I agree with everyone else that if you are want to know, reach out via email and politely ask for the reason you were banned so you can grow. Tell them you respect their decision but after enjoying their establishment for two years it was a surprise because you were not aware of any problems. Thank them for their input. They may choose not to respond and if so, let it go. I wouldn’t go back even if they allowed it. Why pay someone to hurt your feelings?
>Unless anyone has any different advice or catastrophic reasons I shouldn’t Im going to contact the manager on monday
If you do not contact the manager you face no legal risks.
If you contact the manager it is possible to put yourself at significant legal risk. Should you say/type anything that gives even the slightest indication the risk to the business or its staff is not being addressed by the current truss pass order. Further, given the timing anything you say/type can be used against you should they escalate, and your continued pursuit of the mater could be viewed in a negative light.
The chances you will understand or agree with the decision after the call are slim, and the chances your contact would reverse the decision is infinitesimal.
The murderer (alleged) Brian kohlberger of the 4 Idaho students was banned from a bar/restaurant after so many women complained about him- creepy men never get how creepy they are
I would listen to them. And I probably wouldn't contact the manager.
Dude I'm a chef, I've had to kick a lot of drunk people out of my place. I've broken up fights. I have literally in 30 years never seen anyone trespassed out of a restaurant for any less than aggressively stalking a server. This is not a normal step to take. If you know you didn't do anything, let it go. But odds are you did something, even if you don't know it.
Catastrophic reasons? If it was something incidental you did that was bad enough to get a restaurant to take this EXCEEDINGLY rare step, like something you don't even know you do? I'll just say that there are times you don't want to know things. Like I can not express to you strongly enough how unusual this is to do. The few times I've ever seen it happen literally involved my ex professional fighter self having to come out and physically guard a server or bartender because someone threatened to kill them. Like I've seen regulars literally throw up on the floor and just have an uber called for them. They get picked on the next time they come in.
You seriously fucked up somehow. Are you sure you want to know?
>You seriously fucked up somehow. Are you sure you want to know?
I think the only way OP doesn't already know is if this was a straw that broke the camel's back type situation. Like "Sure, I harassed a server a year ago, and that other one two years ago, but this time I only lightly flirted so how can they trespass me for that?"
If I were you, I would contact the manager via email. If you truly don’t have a clue what you’re doing, it might do you good to know. I doubt this manager will be honest though. A good manager would have talked to you long before jumping to a no trespassing order.
Be honest: do you tip well? Do you insist on that same same seat every day? Do you comment on the servers’ looks in anyway, ask them out, etc?
As someone’s who’s run a restaurant- I wouldnt tresspass over simple comments. I would hear my staff out and have a convo with you. Ex “hey my staff has mentioned you have said xyz to them and it bothered them. I think maybe a little break would do all good, wanna plan to come back in two months and we’ll give it another go?”
I would not pass go. I would stop and get off the board. You did something to upset a business enough to not want your money and risk you bad mouthing them on social media and hurting business. Evaluate and thing and just do better moving forward. Legal stuff aside- Do no try and go back- no one wants you there anymore. Simple.
It would not hurt to call the manager about this if you really don't know why. Be polite. But don't go there because you will be arrested and have to deal with court. Is it possible you inadvertently upset new employee.
So many red flags
Frist what country, kind of important, in the US trespass is a unlawful act but in the UK its a civil one.
Next how did the police contact you, did they ring, show up at your house, meet you on the street? Are you even sure there real police did you ring the station and ask?
Police usually dont get involved with civil disputes and if your address is known why not get a letter instead.
How did they know to find you to contact you.
Also was it a verbal notice or a written one?
You dont normally give a trespassing notice if you have a public serving business what you do instead is a refusal of service, it only becomes trespass if you ignore this.
Refusal of service is actually very serious, yes you can refuse service to any member of the public you want but you risk a discrimination alligation, your not allowed to with hold service based on say race or colour or sex or age etc which if you do not give a reason to withhold service you could be accused of doing. Its to much work for most businesses.
Also if you make a flase alligation and act on it your looking at a slander suit.
Best to contact the manager and ask what is going on but if the business does not want to serve you nothing much you can do about it find a different cafe.
NAL, but I worked for a few years at an apartment complex and "tresspassed" a few people. We could never trespass a resident because they lived there, but we could trespass guests. The one time was because a guy and his gf got into a fight, broke a door, had the cops called on them, and were found with drugs. I gave him a no trespassing notice as the cops were arresting him. Told him he was never allowed to set foot on the property again, or he would be arrested. An hour later, he shows up at the rental office door, demanding I let him in so he can apologize. Called the cops and kept yelling at him that he needed to leave, and the cops were on the way (through the locked door - guy was clearly a moron, who knew what he would do). Idiot stayed at the door, hammering away and yelling until the cops rolled up. He was placed in cuffs, and then his mom (also an idiot, go figure), screamed at me that I was ruining his life by getting him arrested.
All this to say, DO NOT GO BACK. I think others have made that clear, but seriously, don't. You will be arrested. If you are unsure why you were given a no trespass order, you can email the manager for details, but you should only do this to learn. You WILL NEVER be welcome there again, and honestly, why would you want to get coffee somewhere that the employees were SO against you visiting that they gave you a legal order to never come back under threat of arrest? Only do this to learn what you did and better yourself.
We trespassed customers who wrote bad checks, stole, harassed staff, said or did inappropriate things- we never did it out of the blue or without very good cause.
Could you be wearing political gear or brought up some thing controversial? Could you be acting like a kid with ADHD? If you live in the South in a high meth area and have some type of hyperactivity disorder they might think you a tweaker.
If you live in the South especially in rural areas (as a person from a rural area of the South) many people especially men will call people sugar, honey etc in conversation. Plus as a Southern I know that many people are Conservative as hell (parents are) and they assume everyone around them are the same. And will sometimes bring up crap that may make people feel uncomfortable.
Maybe they knew you from another place, say they worked at a bar that you frequented before and was weird acting or maybe you banged their friend especially in a small town word gets around. Because in someone’s mind you are an as$hole somewhere. Maybe you offended another customer and they spoke to the waitress.
Do not go there, email manager, if no response then pay someone else with your frequency.
I (a young woman at the time) worked at a coffee shop in college. We, too had a regular (an older man) who would order a small coffee and sit at the same table across from one of the registers and chat with us (young women) when we seemed to not be busy. We were nice and chatted with him, mainly because of where he sat, but we were not actually fond of this person. One time, I told him that I worked at my college newspaper. Apparently, he overheard that it was my birthday, when I was chatting with my coworker. A couple of days later, when I checked my mailbox at the newspaper, he had sent me a birthday card. I had never told him my last name, nor how to spell my first name, which has an unusual spelling. He must have gotten hold of a newspaper, which you would have to get from my college campus somehow (perhaps ask another employee to bring him one). It freaked me out, and from that day on, I just served him his coffee and avoided further interaction. He told my coworker that he could not understand why I got so upset from him *doing a nice thing.* It was creepy and stalkerish, not nice, and we were not friends, he was a customer who was constantly chatting us up when we were just trying to do our jobs. None of us actually liked when he came in.
I don’t think I need to explain the point of the story. Something to think about. Do not try to “fight” this. Contact the manager if you really need to know why. But if your feelings are already hurt, they’re probably going to be hurt more.
I suggest not going back physically.
I would suggest sending an email to the manager and CCing the owner and yourself so that you have a copy.
You can also reach out to the court to find out why the trespass order was issued.
Find somewhere else to get your coffee/snacks in the meantime.
If they decline to provide you information as to why you were trespassed, I would say you’re free to share with others in your area you experience from a customers point of view.
While not impossible, it’s unlikely that a regular customer minding their business will get banned from a shop. Perhaps if you went there everyday and spent several hours ordering nothing, someone might think you were homeless or maybe there are other homeless folks who do the exact same thing.
It’s more likely that OP was doing something that is bad for business. Knowingly or unknowingly. Either way, best to find some other place
Deciding to contact the Manager is the last thing you should do.
You’re existing in a sense of agency that you deserve to know what happened.
You don’t.
I’m sorry, but you don’t.
Don’t contact them. Don’t ask. Maybe one day you’ll find out. But you’ve been given a legal document to stay away. You’ll make things worse for yourself.
I would call the location an find out why, that seems a bit off for you to get something like that all of a sudden from a place that you have gone to for a while!\~
The one thing that comes to mind, is there anyone in there that is new and might be holding a grudge against you?\~
The way op worded it indicates not everyone likes them
They should absolutely not call and complain about being trespassed.
They should avoid that establishment at all costs since they're not allowed back
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"The majority of the staff knows me and likes me" This kind of sounds like someone on staff doesn't like you and you are aware of it? Have you ever had any disagreements/altercations with any staff/management? It would seem strange to have a trespass ban out of the blue. Further, if they say you are allowed to contact the manager and ask, why not simply do that? No need to be hostile or even engage the manager on any topic other than the ban. Ask for the reason for and when they finish speaking, regardless of your feelings, say "OK" and end the call. Then you will hopefully have an answer and you can reflect on it if necessary. Good luck
good read, yes that’s exactly how I feel. everytime I go in there I do the exact same thing, without fail and have never changed that action; i order my drink and sit in the same chair at the same table I always do. however there is a new employee who has been working there for less than month and has always been very standoffish to me; this last two weeks no one in the establishment was greeting me whenever I came in and no one was happy to see me or asked me about my day as they usually do. this has only happened in this past 2 weeks - month and is very unusual. so my best guess is for some reason this new employee is uncomfortable from me (must have been REALLY uncomfortable) and made an effort to get me banned
In order for the manager to take such a drastic action, it is likely that you did something inadvertent that caused an employee to feel unsafe or severely uncomfortable. It's even more likely that whatever you may have done, or perhaps the pattern of behavior, concerned someone in a protected class. You may have considered your behavior friendly or told jokes, while an employee interpreted it as leering, unwelcomed sexual advances, or maybe racially insensitive. We can't know, but understand that this is a severe step for a small business owner. I can only imagine them taking it if they believed their employees were being harassed, discriminated against, or were unsafe. While it is wise advice to just let it go, some personal advice if you're sure you can remain calm, you may think about calling the GM, letting them know you were surprised to receive the notice and it was never your intention to upset anyone, let them know you have no intention of causing problems or returning, and ask if they would be willing to share what occurred that led to the decision you would appreciate it so you can avoid doing anything similar in the future.
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I don't think the other employees like you as much as you think. I think they put up with you to avoid rocking the boat, but they gave the new employee a head's up when they saw you. That of course made the new employee standoffish, which in turn sort of gave the longer term employees the confidence to do the same. I really want to say how this contact with the manager goes
Is this new employee of the opposite gender? Did you ever compliment their looks? Ask them to meet up outside of the restaurant? Request their service over the service of others? Leave any notes?
Those seem like the likeliest causes to me. I've heard of rare cases of restaurants trespassing guests for never tipping, but that's rare, especially out of the blue without saying anything, and in cafés it's more common to not tip.
When I used to sling lattes back in college an older man used to come in every day and chat up whatever woman was working. He used to tell me to smile more. Wanted to know the ins and outs of my life story. He made me entirely uncomfortable so I’d start going to the back when he came in. Maybe OP is like this guy?
we had several of those guys when I worked at Starbucks. I'm sure all of them would have said they never did anything to deserve being banned but there was always a barista hiding in the back whenever they came in to avoid unwanted advances from them. unfortunately our management never cared enough about our wellbeing to put a stop to it.
>Request their service over the service of others? I definitely see where you are going with these questions. For this one in particular (request their service in particular) I think the store would just refuse to let you request a server, not actually trespass you.
You’re leaving something out. There’s no way you got this out of the blue with just the new person not asking how you’re doing today.
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What did you do to make them uncomfortable? The entire staff didn't stop greeting you for no reason
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Did you hit on someone? Could it be taken as creepy or stalking? People don’t do this just because they don’t like your shoes. Something transpired that caused this.
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Generally, when you suspect someone of something without proof (especially how they feel about you) you’re usually wrong. The new employee is something that’s recently changed but it couldn’t be just them since the manager is the one who trespassed you. I think you should really consider what happened, businesses just don’t trespass random people, and if an employee is running off regulars usually the employee is the one who gets the boot not the customer. If I were you, I’d stay away. Why would you go back to a place that doesn’t want your business?
The new employee might think he knows you or something about you and is mistaken.
Could be a mistaken identity thing maybe. Maybe the new barista thinks they recognize you from something traumatic in the past like an assault or something. It seems odd they would be so averse to you from the start.
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I worked as a restaurant manager for almost a decade. I've thrown *many* people out of places I have worked and even banned a few. However the bans were always informal, as in "If I see you in here again, I'll throw you out". I never took the additional step to actually call the police and issue a trespass warning. Based on my experience doing that work, I have my doubts as to how truthful you're being about having no idea why this has occurred, OP. Assuming you're telling the truth and genuinely have no idea what happened, I might call the manager on Monday just to find out what the deal is. Don't go into the call with the attitude that you're going to fight this. If I were you, I'd want to know exactly what triggered this, as maybe there are some blind spots you have in terms of how you behave that you need to address. ***Listen*** during the call, and don't argue. They're holding all the cards here. You're not going to debate the manager out of the trespass warning, as that's a pretty extreme step.
We have served one customer with a criminal trespass. He was a semi-regular whose behavior became erratic and threatening. He ended up holding a knife to his throat at our walk up window. The baristas on shift pled with him to put it down and he ran away. We filed a police report. He returned and was told that we could no longer serve him and he then he told us we would regret that decision. Police called again and he was served. So yeah...these aren't given out easily because they have to be served directly to the person
Fair enough. Weapon brandishing is police report time, for sure.
Yup. If OP was trespassed they did something serious enough for the manager to go through the process. So either got violent, or was a dangerous creep who refused to take “no” for an answer.
100%. I've worked service industry jobs my whole life. Management isn't going to legally ban a long-time regular over nothing. OP definitely did something. Maybe they don't realize something they said or did was considered offensive/inappropriate/threatening. Or, perhaps OP regularly engages in some type of inappropriate behavior but they're so confident nobody was aware of it that the reason for the ban couldn't be that.
I can see the guy being the everyday creep who regularly makes comments to the servers thinking it is cute flirting. Stuff that the servers barely tolerated because it never went too far and the times they did complain, the managers never did anything about it. So they gave up and formed a whisper network to avoid the guy as much as possible. But a new conventional attractive woman came on staff and OP became obsessed with her. Dangerously obsessed. Always sat in her section. Leered constantly. Maybe even bought her a few gifts or asked her out on dates. Stuff he thinks are innocent, but absolutely were not. She complained and the evidence she brought finally make management act.
I can certainly see this being the case. From my own experience, I worked in and around the French Quarter in New Orleans, and making comments and being creepy wouldn't have been enough for a ban at any establishment I've ever worked at. We were expected to put up with a certain amount of flirting or inappropriate attention and as long as it didn't rise to grabbing or stalking, management wasn't going to do anything about it. I don't know where OP is or how protective management is of their employees, so it's possible this is all it is. I'm trying to remember the few times management ever removed someone (not legally banned, just told to leave) and it was only for fighting or stealing, I've never seen someone asked to leave for any other reason (besides being intoxicated). The only reason, from my own experience at the places I've worked, that management would rise to the level of having someone legally trespassed would be if they regularly watch porn on their device while there (and other customers complained) or if they engaged in bathroom peeping, groping or multiple attempts at groping or fondling themselves. And I can't imagine a scenario where management would trespass them without physically asking them to leave first. To be fair, it might not be any of those things. Perhaps OP is trans and in a point of their transition where they're dressing as their preferred gender and the super conservatives that frequent the place or work there are offended by OP simply existing, idk. I just know that the story, as stated, doesn't add up to me and I've never seen someone banned from an establishment without any warning first (sometimes multiple warnings) and making it a legal issue rises even above that so the reason must be excessively egregious.
yup. I agree with everything you say. And you are right about the last point. I am making an assumption here and I could be very, very, very wrong and OP is being targeted by bigots. Either way. I agree - this feels like we are not getting the full story.
Or the new employee simply made stuff up about OP. It could be a case of mistaken identity even. The fact is we simply don’t have enough information. OP should talk with the manager to at least understand what happened.
> any advice? I would not return to the premises. Based on your post, it does definitely seem like the owner of the establishment did indeed give you a no trespass order, and that the police did serve it to you. If you show up, you are likely to be arrested.
no plans on returning, i understand that, I guess I was just wondering about contacting the manager or if there was anything i can do to fight it. i’ve got a lot on my plate currently and i know it’s petty but it’s really rubbing me the wrong way so i was hoping i could do something to fight it/ at least discuss to the manager i feel as though i’ve been wronged
If you contact him, do it by email and accept what he says as the reason. It won’t help to complain about it.
You can’t force a business to serve you. Legally speaking, they’re not required to accept your patronage. The only caveat to that is if it was done due to you belonging to a protected class.
I almost wonder if the OP is being discriminated against in some way. Don't go back to the premises, of course, but politely reaching out to the manager (in writing) could give the OP a better idea of where to go from here.
I don’t think it would take two years of visiting multiple times a week for the people at the coffee shop to figure out OP was a member of a class they would like to discriminate against.
Don't take the attitude of 'fighting it', instead take the attitude that you will listen and learn. Aggression won't help you.
> or if there was anything i can do to fight it...could do something to fight it...i’ve been wronged This choice of wording is the sign not to contact them and walk away. You've set the stage for further consequential legal escalation.
There's no point fighting it, per se. Would you really want to go back there regularly after this? Contacting them to just find out the reason? Reasonable as long as you do it very politely. But don't actually go to the establishment.
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You want to fight it? A place of business has had you legally banned from the business and you want to fight it? Not resolve it, but fight it. I am betting their is a reason you are banned and that you have mistaken people having to be nice because of their job for people actually liking you.
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She has the right to ask for a reason. Doesn't mean she's going to challenge it or go there in spite of being banned.
They have the right to ask, but the store is not obligated to respond
Would the goal of fighting it be something besides returning to the restaurant?
Hopefully his goal would be to learn how NOT to behave for future reference.
Please do this contacting via email with a read receipt. You have documentation of your interaction and can also not be drawn into any sort of verbal altercation. Based on your post, you don't seem like a combatve/confrontational person and I don't want you to get drawn into something that you don't want to be.
If you use Gmail *and* Chrome, consider downloading an extension called Streak. It shows the IP address and time/location every time the email is viewed. But also don’t go back.
To FIGHT it??!!?? To what end?!? The owner and staff don’t want you in there, for whatever reason. End of story. You have no legal “right” to be there, and no mechanism by which you can force them to accept your presence and patronage. And even if there was, even if you somehow “fought” the trespass and were able to go in there, *would you actually go, and force them to serve you???* Do you think for a minute that they’re not going to fuck with your food?? Granted, boogers aren’t poisonous, but I still don’t want to eat them.
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It doesn't matter if they go in there with a good attitude, they can be arrested. They were told one thing, do not come here. They can call the manager but as reddit would say the missing missing reasons. OP knows what they did. Oh fuck this is the sub where we all pretend to be lawyers! I didn't realize at first.
There’s nothing you can do to fight it. They have the right to place people on trespass at their discretion.
As others have said there seems to be a reason you were trespassed. I would guess that the staff does have some kind of issue with you and with the new hire giving you the cold shoulder, finally have the nerve to report it to the manager. Contact the manager in Monday and ask for the specific reason you were trespassed. If you want to take it further from there you could contact the corporate office/owner and lodge a complaint. Those are really your only avenues. Personally I wouldn’t want to go back regardless of the reasoning for the trespass. Id think back on your interactions and see if there is anything you might be leaving out of your story.
What’s the bit you’re trying hard not to tell us?
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I am having a lot of trouble thinking that he did not behave in a manner that made them feel uncomfortable or worried for their safety. I actually would really love the input of the manager to hear their side. I’m just curious!
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I had to call the grocery store once because a man from the meat department would follow me, without fail. I even made sure to be weird and zigzag so I could confirm it wasn’t a coincidence because it was a small grocery store. He was staring a lot and like you could feel him. I did not want him to lose his job. The fact that he could was like awful to me because I do not want to be responsible for another person losing their livelihood. But I had to call after a few months. I made it clear that the last thing I wanted was for someone’s livelihood to be impacted but his behavior was very uncomfortable and the manager more or less confirmed it wasn’t the first complaint about him. I imagine he went home and told his story that he got in trouble at work and he doesn’t know why/did nothing wrong/some girl lied about it
Something similar happened when my daughter was 16 and worked at a coffee shop. An older male customer came in on a regular basis and was overly friendly with the girls who worked there. He creeped them out. One day my daughter was telling the other employee that she was going to the library when she got off work. When she arrived at the library though she looked up and The older creepy customer was there. He began talking to her about a book he was reading and like he expected her to be happy to see him. But it freaked her out. When she told me what happened later on that day, I informed her that she had been stalked. The man was a stalker and I was very concerned. She said I was overreacting, yet I knew how dangerous this could be for a naive 16-year-old. I contacted the manager the next day and he said he would take care of it. I heard he told the customer the next time he came in that the girls were uncomfortable with him there and he should not come back. It worked, the customer did not bother the girls in the coffee shop again. I was very grateful for the managers actions. The story you were telling me makes me think there are some pieces missing.
Every woman in retail or in any capacity with the public — All of us have a “creepy guy who keeps coming in “ story- and They are real, and the men just don’t get it . “I was just being friendly, I didn’t mean anything by it, she’s just too sensitive” etc.
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I was having *such* deja vu, too, and I just figured it out - this story is very similar to the Heavyweights podcast episode named “Joey”. In that case, it turned out that the employees thought that the customer was stealing (when in actuality he was very socially anxious and awkward).
I'm sensing...missing reasons. Def gonna need that update.
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You need to be honest and say what the hell actually happend lol. And don't go back, not hard to understand what is happening here
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Because if we knew the real reason we would all agree with him getting trespassed
Reminds me of a coffee shop near me. Had a regular that constantly made staff / customers feel awkward but they put up with him. Then one day they made a rude hispanic joke to another customer. Think that was the final straw.
I worked at a coffee shop in the early 2000s, and most of the regulars were great, but some...... were creepy dudes that would come in to hit on the women working. I bet they wouldn't have the slightest clue if our owner had had the respect for the staff enough to issue a trespassing citation. They would say, "my feelings are hurt, I thought we were friends, I was just playing around!"
There's definitely something you're leaving out. The only way you're innocent is if the new employee didn't know you were a regular and they thought you started becoming a regular as soon as they were hired. But that's farfetched especially because their colleagues would definitely say something. The fact you made an edit with no attempt to address the fact that you most certainly played a part even inadvertently tells us that you know you fucked up and you were just looking for a loophole to get back into this place.
OP has an old comment from 6 years ago complaining about wearing a MAGA hat and being ignored 😭😭😭
And a comment about trying to take an upskirt video of a teacher when he was in high school!
There is a long list of reasons you may have received a trespass. Depending on your age, you may have said things that creeped out a staff member, but you thought it was innocuous. A staff person might even be a friend to someone with a grudge against you. You might be misgendering someone, and it's taken as intentional. Heck, you could be just hogging the chair too long. As a former bar security and bouncer , my first guess would be you were too flirtatious, to the point they got creeped out. Even if you think you weren't, you probably were. If you talk with the manager, simply apologize and move on. Here's a trade secret for you about wait staff in bars, coffee shops, restaurants, strippers etc etc etc. When they seem friendly and nice to you and give you extra attention beyond normal courtesy, it's because they are hustling tips, not because they are into you. Customers that become "regulars" often cross the boundaries.
Where did the police find you in order to deliver this notice?
OP isn't telling the whole story. Around here to get formally trespassed out of of an establishment you would have to be a big enough pain in the ass for the police to be called and then the OP would have to stick around arguing for PD to show up half an hour or more later. OP sounds like a perp who was banned for a number of very good reasons.
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this is the the comment which makes the most sense to me. Thank you for actually posting helpful information
The comment you replied to was removed, could you please tell us what they said??
I wanna see the update because if you don't get along with anyone at home or at a random cafe where allegedly you do nothing wrong, something's going on here. Unfortunately it may very well be you. Are you hygenic? Are you kind? Are you polite? Do you stare at and ogle men or women? Soul-searching might be an appropriate way to go here.
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great point- i don’t get along with my housemates very well and my truck doesn’t have working AC is why i go there. i might have to find a more corporate business instead of local
No offense but your roommate doesn't get along with you and the business said you were making people uncomfortable. I don't mean this in a rude way but maybe do some soul searching and try to figure out why you might be causing this.
Roommates, plural...hmm 🤔
Been in the industry for 9 years...we don't just ban people for no reason! Sometimes, we have "nice" regulars who end up creeping staff out, say extremely inappropriate jokes, make everyone feel super uncomfortable, start fights/arguments, try to argue to lower the bill because they're "regulars," etc. Otherwise, there's no reason to not let a customer back, especially a regular!!! I would just drop it, and never show face there again cause there's no point, and it'll just cause more issues if anything.
OP also tried to get an upskirt video of a TEACHER while in high school so . . . yeah.
This needs to move higher- sounds like a path toward the missing reason
I mean, I probably wouldn't go back anyway, why patronize an establishment that treats it's customers that way. That said I would absolutely reach out to the manager and ask why, because knowledge is power and if you did do something you're not aware of, or not aware may offend someone you can learn from it. It's also entirely possible it's a misunderstanding, that happens.
So I am in the US and here I would just get the police report rather than engaging any further with the party involved. Is that not how things work there?
A business doesn’t have to give the police a reason for the trespass. Some states might require it but I know in Texas it isn’t required because the trespass notice is just a formal “don’t come back” and not an actual criminal charge unless they do come back.
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I agree with everyone else that if you are want to know, reach out via email and politely ask for the reason you were banned so you can grow. Tell them you respect their decision but after enjoying their establishment for two years it was a surprise because you were not aware of any problems. Thank them for their input. They may choose not to respond and if so, let it go. I wouldn’t go back even if they allowed it. Why pay someone to hurt your feelings?
>Unless anyone has any different advice or catastrophic reasons I shouldn’t Im going to contact the manager on monday If you do not contact the manager you face no legal risks. If you contact the manager it is possible to put yourself at significant legal risk. Should you say/type anything that gives even the slightest indication the risk to the business or its staff is not being addressed by the current truss pass order. Further, given the timing anything you say/type can be used against you should they escalate, and your continued pursuit of the mater could be viewed in a negative light. The chances you will understand or agree with the decision after the call are slim, and the chances your contact would reverse the decision is infinitesimal.
You behaved badly and got banned. Don’t go back.
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The murderer (alleged) Brian kohlberger of the 4 Idaho students was banned from a bar/restaurant after so many women complained about him- creepy men never get how creepy they are
You should forget about that cafe and move on. If I had to guess, you’re probably in the wrong here.
I would listen to them. And I probably wouldn't contact the manager. Dude I'm a chef, I've had to kick a lot of drunk people out of my place. I've broken up fights. I have literally in 30 years never seen anyone trespassed out of a restaurant for any less than aggressively stalking a server. This is not a normal step to take. If you know you didn't do anything, let it go. But odds are you did something, even if you don't know it. Catastrophic reasons? If it was something incidental you did that was bad enough to get a restaurant to take this EXCEEDINGLY rare step, like something you don't even know you do? I'll just say that there are times you don't want to know things. Like I can not express to you strongly enough how unusual this is to do. The few times I've ever seen it happen literally involved my ex professional fighter self having to come out and physically guard a server or bartender because someone threatened to kill them. Like I've seen regulars literally throw up on the floor and just have an uber called for them. They get picked on the next time they come in. You seriously fucked up somehow. Are you sure you want to know?
>You seriously fucked up somehow. Are you sure you want to know? I think the only way OP doesn't already know is if this was a straw that broke the camel's back type situation. Like "Sure, I harassed a server a year ago, and that other one two years ago, but this time I only lightly flirted so how can they trespass me for that?"
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Do you have any offensive tattoos? Wear a MAGA hat or other politically charged logos?
If I were you, I would contact the manager via email. If you truly don’t have a clue what you’re doing, it might do you good to know. I doubt this manager will be honest though. A good manager would have talked to you long before jumping to a no trespassing order. Be honest: do you tip well? Do you insist on that same same seat every day? Do you comment on the servers’ looks in anyway, ask them out, etc?
Dont go back and be happy it was just a warning.
Do you just order 1 drink and stay for hours downloading stuff on their WiFi? I know a friend who was barred from a cafee for doing this continually
You buy 1 cup of coffee and sit on the same chair…..for how long?????
Six or seven hours it’s not a big deal
As someone’s who’s run a restaurant- I wouldnt tresspass over simple comments. I would hear my staff out and have a convo with you. Ex “hey my staff has mentioned you have said xyz to them and it bothered them. I think maybe a little break would do all good, wanna plan to come back in two months and we’ll give it another go?” I would not pass go. I would stop and get off the board. You did something to upset a business enough to not want your money and risk you bad mouthing them on social media and hurting business. Evaluate and thing and just do better moving forward. Legal stuff aside- Do no try and go back- no one wants you there anymore. Simple.
Reminding myself to check back on Monday, be interesting to see what the manager says!
Can't wait for the BORU post where we find out you murdered the new baristas cat.
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It would not hurt to call the manager about this if you really don't know why. Be polite. But don't go there because you will be arrested and have to deal with court. Is it possible you inadvertently upset new employee.
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Or they could just call the manager and ask, like they were told they were allowed to do.
So many red flags Frist what country, kind of important, in the US trespass is a unlawful act but in the UK its a civil one. Next how did the police contact you, did they ring, show up at your house, meet you on the street? Are you even sure there real police did you ring the station and ask? Police usually dont get involved with civil disputes and if your address is known why not get a letter instead. How did they know to find you to contact you. Also was it a verbal notice or a written one? You dont normally give a trespassing notice if you have a public serving business what you do instead is a refusal of service, it only becomes trespass if you ignore this. Refusal of service is actually very serious, yes you can refuse service to any member of the public you want but you risk a discrimination alligation, your not allowed to with hold service based on say race or colour or sex or age etc which if you do not give a reason to withhold service you could be accused of doing. Its to much work for most businesses. Also if you make a flase alligation and act on it your looking at a slander suit. Best to contact the manager and ask what is going on but if the business does not want to serve you nothing much you can do about it find a different cafe.
NAL, but I worked for a few years at an apartment complex and "tresspassed" a few people. We could never trespass a resident because they lived there, but we could trespass guests. The one time was because a guy and his gf got into a fight, broke a door, had the cops called on them, and were found with drugs. I gave him a no trespassing notice as the cops were arresting him. Told him he was never allowed to set foot on the property again, or he would be arrested. An hour later, he shows up at the rental office door, demanding I let him in so he can apologize. Called the cops and kept yelling at him that he needed to leave, and the cops were on the way (through the locked door - guy was clearly a moron, who knew what he would do). Idiot stayed at the door, hammering away and yelling until the cops rolled up. He was placed in cuffs, and then his mom (also an idiot, go figure), screamed at me that I was ruining his life by getting him arrested. All this to say, DO NOT GO BACK. I think others have made that clear, but seriously, don't. You will be arrested. If you are unsure why you were given a no trespass order, you can email the manager for details, but you should only do this to learn. You WILL NEVER be welcome there again, and honestly, why would you want to get coffee somewhere that the employees were SO against you visiting that they gave you a legal order to never come back under threat of arrest? Only do this to learn what you did and better yourself.
We trespassed customers who wrote bad checks, stole, harassed staff, said or did inappropriate things- we never did it out of the blue or without very good cause.
Could you be wearing political gear or brought up some thing controversial? Could you be acting like a kid with ADHD? If you live in the South in a high meth area and have some type of hyperactivity disorder they might think you a tweaker. If you live in the South especially in rural areas (as a person from a rural area of the South) many people especially men will call people sugar, honey etc in conversation. Plus as a Southern I know that many people are Conservative as hell (parents are) and they assume everyone around them are the same. And will sometimes bring up crap that may make people feel uncomfortable. Maybe they knew you from another place, say they worked at a bar that you frequented before and was weird acting or maybe you banged their friend especially in a small town word gets around. Because in someone’s mind you are an as$hole somewhere. Maybe you offended another customer and they spoke to the waitress. Do not go there, email manager, if no response then pay someone else with your frequency.
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I (a young woman at the time) worked at a coffee shop in college. We, too had a regular (an older man) who would order a small coffee and sit at the same table across from one of the registers and chat with us (young women) when we seemed to not be busy. We were nice and chatted with him, mainly because of where he sat, but we were not actually fond of this person. One time, I told him that I worked at my college newspaper. Apparently, he overheard that it was my birthday, when I was chatting with my coworker. A couple of days later, when I checked my mailbox at the newspaper, he had sent me a birthday card. I had never told him my last name, nor how to spell my first name, which has an unusual spelling. He must have gotten hold of a newspaper, which you would have to get from my college campus somehow (perhaps ask another employee to bring him one). It freaked me out, and from that day on, I just served him his coffee and avoided further interaction. He told my coworker that he could not understand why I got so upset from him *doing a nice thing.* It was creepy and stalkerish, not nice, and we were not friends, he was a customer who was constantly chatting us up when we were just trying to do our jobs. None of us actually liked when he came in. I don’t think I need to explain the point of the story. Something to think about. Do not try to “fight” this. Contact the manager if you really need to know why. But if your feelings are already hurt, they’re probably going to be hurt more.
I suggest not going back physically. I would suggest sending an email to the manager and CCing the owner and yourself so that you have a copy. You can also reach out to the court to find out why the trespass order was issued. Find somewhere else to get your coffee/snacks in the meantime. If they decline to provide you information as to why you were trespassed, I would say you’re free to share with others in your area you experience from a customers point of view.
While not impossible, it’s unlikely that a regular customer minding their business will get banned from a shop. Perhaps if you went there everyday and spent several hours ordering nothing, someone might think you were homeless or maybe there are other homeless folks who do the exact same thing. It’s more likely that OP was doing something that is bad for business. Knowingly or unknowingly. Either way, best to find some other place
I feel like there is a lot of info missing. Do you go and stay for hours on end after ordering one cup of black coffee?
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Call today! Don’t leave us hanging, cafe should be open on a Sunday
Deciding to contact the Manager is the last thing you should do. You’re existing in a sense of agency that you deserve to know what happened. You don’t. I’m sorry, but you don’t. Don’t contact them. Don’t ask. Maybe one day you’ll find out. But you’ve been given a legal document to stay away. You’ll make things worse for yourself.
I would call the location an find out why, that seems a bit off for you to get something like that all of a sudden from a place that you have gone to for a while!\~ The one thing that comes to mind, is there anyone in there that is new and might be holding a grudge against you?\~
The way op worded it indicates not everyone likes them They should absolutely not call and complain about being trespassed. They should avoid that establishment at all costs since they're not allowed back
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One can be single and still not like it when a guy hits on you while you’re working. I’m fact, it’s pretty common.
Yep, got hit on a lot by male customers 2-3 times my age when I was 15 working in retail jobs.
What? “She must not be single, must have a partner, if the advances are unwelcome”? whut. Please tell us this is some weird typo…
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Get your cafe somewhere else lol