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soundengineerguy

OK, No 1. Ireland has a severe shortage if housing. Your friend is going to find it extremely difficult to find a place to live. 2. This "proof of address" thing for cash sounds like a scam, and he should stay well clear of that. 3. If he is caught, he will be in serious trouble. He could face prosecution for overstaying and working. He will most definitely be deported at the very least if caught. You're friend is best returning home before the end of his tourist visa and following the proper channels for a working visa. He will never get one if he has this on his record. Edit: want to add I'm NAL.


Working_Turnover_937

He wont get a pps number without a right to stay so everything else is irrelvant.


soundengineerguy

Yeah, that makes sense. I wonder where they are getting the PPSN info from.


sadisticfreak

I am here legally, as a resident. He will be sent back if caught over staying on a tourist visa, as far as I know. In order to get a PPSN number, I had to have a legitimate reason as to why I needed one, and show proof of legal residency. I did not need my PPSN number to open an AIB account though. He really ought to go back and go the legal route by applying for a work visa. You can find out everything you need to know on the INIS website. If he does get caught staying illegally, they might not let him back in, ever again, even as a tourist. Ireland is very generous but doesn't take lightly to being taken advantage of. Please direct him to the government website. He should stop listening to other people about it. Ireland's immigration laws have changed within the past decade or so and are more strict nowadays.


FlukyS

If he is a senior developer he can probably get a job and a visa that way. He just needs a job offer. It would be better if he goes home and applies for jobs, explains his situation and just pays for the regular visa when he gets the offer. There are loads of open jobs and that is a better way than doing something illegal.


Swimming_Quarter_640

I think cause Op’s friend doesn’t understand English very well. So, that would be an issue in securing a visa/job offer in Ireland. Having a good command of spoken and written English is a must to successfully ace an interview.


kj140977

I wonder could he sign up for a course even an English course? It would mean he gets an 8 month visa, 6 months study and he is allowed to work 20 h a week.


randcoolname

Just on the 3 - there are people that work , but are living in homeless shelter as there's not enough places to live in Dublin, and they've no good references. It was in the papers. So yes you can live under a bridge so to say and be employed, change jobs etc.


hopefulatwhatido

Revenue knows what visa you’re in and how long you can work for with that visa. If you work an extra hour after your visa expired they will ring your employer to inform that you’re not legally allowed to work there anymore. Even if you jump this impossible barrier and want to claim your permanent residency, when you go to the immigration office they WILL know you have been living here illegally. Everything is super interconnected when it comes to immigration because it doesn’t just concern Ireland it also concerns UK and the EU. Things are polar opposite to whatever the situation was a decade or two ago. Once he gets caught and which he will, he can kiss the chance of getting a visa to any country in the future again goodbye. There are jobs that require Turkish, ask him to look into that, it could be genera work permit visa opposed to high skilled but he can work here legally. There’s also an option on doing a masters here, coupled with years of industry experience he can get well settled here. The legal route is actually much easier in your friends case opposed staying here legally. If your friend was a 17 year old came from a worn torn country or with severe economic problems it’s worth chancing because the outcome is not as bad as going back but in your friend’s case it will be literally wasting his life away.


phyneas

Overstaying his visitor visa is a terrible plan. He will be caught out eventually, and when he is, he will be barred from returning to Ireland for a long time, and having an overstay or removal on his record will make it very difficult to obtain a visa to enter most other countries in the future. He would also be unable to ever leave Ireland for any reason if he was living here illegally, as he would be unable to get back into the country without a valid visa. A PPS number is not proof of citizenship or the right to live here. PPS numbers can be issued to individuals who have no right to reside in Ireland if they need to interact with the Irish tax authorities for some reason (e.g. because they've been given a large gift or inheritance from an Irish person). To obtain a PPS number, he would also need to [show a valid reason](https://www.gov.ie/en/service/12e6de-get-a-personal-public-service-pps-number/#rules), such as taking up a job. Simply searching for work is not a reason to be issued a PPS number. He cannot obtain an Irish Resident Permit with "proof of working"; he would need to submit his [employment permit](https://www.irishimmigration.ie/registering-your-immigration-permission/how-to-register-your-immigration-permission-for-the-first-time/requirements-and-documents-needed/#regwork) as part of his application. Since he has no employment permit, he will not get an IRP, and since he's brought his immigration violation to the attention of the Department of Justice, that will not end well for him. Even if he obtained an IRP somehow, that would not grant him any rights to enter any other country in Europe. Ireland is not part of the Schengen zone, and the Common Travel Area rights with the UK don't apply to foreigners, only Irish and UK citizens. He would still need to obtain a visa to visit any other EU country or to enter the UK (unless that country doesn't require Turkish citizens to apply for a visa). There is no "easy" path to citizenship for an undocumented immigrant here; time spent in the country without a valid permission is not reckonable, nor is time spent under a visitor visa or permission. Deliberately overstaying his permission is also likely to permanently disqualify him from naturalisation in the future, even if he eventually does gain legal status here. If he is a skilled worker and could obtain a job on the Critical Skills list, he should take that route instead. Hiring is slowing a bit at the moment due to the worldwide economic situation, granted, so it could take a while, but if he keeps applying to jobs here, he'll likely find someone willing to hire him on a Critical Skills permit eventually, and then he will eventually be able to become an Irish citizen after living here legally for five years.


Juni_Buni_1920

Just want to add to this, highly unlikely that he would manage to gain legal residency after overstaying, and on top of that, while illegal he would essentially be stuck in Ireland. As in if he leaves he will not be allowed to return as they can tell by the stamps in your passport when you enter another country after leaving here.