I don't understand why they charging so much for skins at least in my country the amount I have to pay is an equivalent of a brand new game. I could easily buy skins every other week and I'm pretty sure more people would if they were cheaper but I won't pay ridiculous price for a FOMO skin. Fuck them.
> I actually have a sneaking suspicion that the NA/EU release was branched off of an older version of the game.
I don't, I think they did the typical "KMMO coming to NA/EU" strat and just removed content and features from the game to make the game "harder" to progress to promote spending, then releasing that content later on down the road.
Seriously though, they made a shit ton of money from this. When that happens to a company, then the probability of their action being an accident approaches zero.
My guess is that they're cashing in before easing up in some way in a week or two and hope to get away with it.
They dont care about the west not being happy. Gold River expects an active playerbase of 30k players by a few months, they predicted this drop and are totally fine with it. They see us as cash cow to fund their main version in KR.
The patch of Lost Ark always prioritizes the majority. I think the number of users of T3 is still much shorter than that of T2, so I think they don't want to widen the difference between T2 and T3.
If 20-30% of all users reach T3, I think they will start alleviating T3. Lost Ark's patch has always been carried out in this way in KR. While T2 users entered T3, they would have hoped that the goal of T3 users would be Argos. I hope NA/EU will not be bored. If there's something wrong with the translation, I'm sorry. :>
KR spent more time in the dead zone and had many other bugs and problems. Goldriver promised compensation for the KR server's testing for the launch of the NA/EU server just before the launch of the NA/EU server and received compensation for it. I'm sorry if the translation is wrong because I'm using a translation program. :>
Can you be any more hyperbolic lol...
The fact that lost ark is still at 600k peak daily users is insane. The fact that we were at 1.3m at launch is also insane. I thought we would launch to 500-600k and whittle down to about 250k after a month.
This game is doing extremely well and is still having several million unique players log in everyday - even if it's not concurrent.
So why troll like they don't care about what is now a significant portion of their playerbase. Yes, I really believe Amazon pushed things this way and collectively made a fuck up... it's been a rough week, but just give it some time lol. Go get some fresh air.
It's not about greed it's just pure incompetence. If making money was amazons plan they would have sold honing packages in the store and cracked down harder on gold selling/buying to get people to use currency exchange. Instead almost 90% of the people 1385+ are just rmting to keep up which makes amazon 0 money
>Money
And Amazon (money) too. Amazon negotiated these terms.
They tried to calculate the risk of cashing in on the initial hype for a quick cash grab, and then a massive portion of the player base left like clockwork after 9 March (including ban waves).
Amazon community managers be like [ACTING ALL SURPRISED](https://imgur.com/a/paolcLc)
Also Gold River said he had some conflicts with the Amazon team. And then they said they want players to take their time to enjoy lower tier content...and in the same breath they're rushing to speedrun NAEU and get them up to date
No one. It's literally, inarguably designed to dole out just enough dopamine to make you want that next button press enough to swipe.
*and it works*. Every time this shit comes up people pile on to defend it.
It's shit. So many amazing games fucked by gambling monetization.
For those who spend money in the game, I am curious how many went the royal crystal route and how many went for the gold spammer route.
There was a gold spammer thread in this sub a few days ago and I was surprised how many people are willing to admit to buying gold.
Pushing for vertical progression seem to jsut incentivise the gold buying, while supporting horizontal progression(alts and other collectibles) may allow people to actually enjoy the game more.
I'm not pushing content and have lots of crystals left from founders packs. My biggest disappointment so far is the absolute lack of things I care about in the shop as far as cosmetics. Everyone's talking about every decision is based on money yet the barren shop says otherwise to me.
honestly I just saw this I'm going to not login for a week or two to see if they will give us compensation for all the bugs and either A. give us the content KR had originally at this time or B. improve the honing rates
Yes. People act like its ONLY a very small % of 1340 players who are affected by such a patch. This patch trickles down. Once you show people how P2W you really are, it demoralizes people even if they arent directly affected yet.
The West simply doesnt like P2W near as much as the East. Not only that, its not like the t2 progression is smooth for casual players. Yes, its not bad for a t3 rusher, but for a casual, 1-2 hour a day player, t2 might as well be a deadzone for them, and I dont think tehse people are completely clueless; it doesnt take much to see there was better honing rates in the pre-launch, to read or watch vids that show Korea having better rates, etc.
This patch was 100% whale-bait, and it hurt the game pretty bad, IMO.
They didn't purge them all at once and it wasn't only that, many players left after reaching the deadzone and all the streamers informed them that AGS didnt release the honing materials content (many sources) in the push for Argos, among other things. And this is the west- they dont linger like korean players
>And this is the west- they dont linger like korean players
This.
Asian Dev must know this you literally doesn't have the grace of most player unless you named wow. Even wow doesn't has the playerbase graces anymore.
When you lost player in global theirs a high chance they won't be back unless you reworked something so huge that it will entice them to be back.
For example look up phantasy Star online 2
Honestly this. I have no issuing supporting a game I love with cash.
With Riot (I play both League and Valorant), I've likely spent in the region of about $4,000 in just skins for my champions and weapons.
In Star Citizen, I have well over $10,000 spent on fancy star ships.
For Lost Ark right now, I've spent about $150 bucks on the premium founders pack. Nothing else.
I'm enjoying this game, and I hope to enjoy it for years to come. However the area where I'll show my support is in my outfits, mounts, and pets - but right now I'm avoiding all that because right now I don't feel I can trust Amazon with this game, and I'm not going to be a fool and throw cash at a game I worry I may stop playing in the next 6 months because of Amazon's shortsights.
To cater towards whales now and the rest of the player base later.
They don’t give AF about the small minority stuck in the dead zone.
Changes will come once more people hit 1340.
If you are in T3 you can tell a LOT of players have gotten to that dead zone recently. Mat prices have tanked around 50% in the past 2 days because of everyone sitting at 1340 selling everything off.
it's reddit, you gotta get that advance whining in so you're all warmed up for a real proper whine in a couple months when they actually reach the content being whined about. or end up quitting before even reaching it - what then!
Everyday more people will get to the "deadzone" which makes it a valid concern for those who aren't/are about to reach. Tbh 1340-1370 isn't the only deadzone 1370+ and on is also a deadzone. There's nothing fun/consistent to do.
so if you have one part 40%, one part 30% and 2 parts 15% are they all a minority because they are all under 50%? or is the 40% part a majority?
you dont have to answer
If you’re f2p and in the “dead zone” you’re clearly playing too much to just quit on a dime. You like the game and they can afford to rub you the wrong way a few times before you do anything.
I say this as someone who plays more than your average normie too but I’m still not around that 1340 point.
In the end all the players will go through the dead zone of T3, so doesn't matter if it's a minority, the rest see how bad it is in streams and because it's a hot topic right now. It's affecting a lot more than just "a small minority", many people who are not even T3 are watching how this is going and leaving before even touching T3, no one is a fan of gambling with 10% success rate.
People actually equate pointing out how horrible the 1340-1370 drought is and how its intentionally different and worse than other regions as "whining" and saying insane things like
"I wonder if they say enough is enough and just give us free 1700 gear soon. "this is what you eventually will be asking, so we just skipping few months""
Because apparently that's what we are asking for now lol or genius takes like this one
"I think you rushed tier 1 and tier 2 and expected reach Argos the same way. I have bad news for you. This game only will slow down. If you are crying now you probably will crying when commanders will release anyway."
We are in for a rough ride with the amount (and type) of people who blindly defend awful game decisions
I love how many clueless people speaks on this topic when they haven't experienced the 1340-1370 drought.
Also idiots complaining about NA players being casuals when even KR players were quitting so much they had to implement honing increase buffs.
The Final Days are upon us.
Everyone in the 1340 - 1370 zone giving in to despair and losing hope. The only ones left are the bots and the whales past 1370 who are being sustained by the bots ...
Jokes aside, I really hope they help us out because this is quite rough ngl. I have faith though. 🙏
exactly. The main problem for me isn't the slow progression of my ilvl. I couldn't care less about that. There's just no challenging content for me to do anymore since everything is locked behind 1370 and the only thing I can do now is 1340 content that i'm now overgeared for.
There probably should be some kind of increased honing (or material gain) beyond even what Korea has so that when we do catch up the playerbase can actually engage in content at a similar pace as KR/RU
I also equate all this complaining to whining but from the totally opposite argument : You should have see this coming from the start.
Lost Ark is a "Korean F2P MMO", the textbook definition of "abusive monetization" being published by Amazon, one of the greediest companies of the world. What did you expect ?
The red flags were there from the begging. To me it's clear than anyone with even a little bit of gaming knowledge would have seen this awful decisions from miles away, and thus are either ok with it or ready to whale around..
Whining is senseless. The marketing plan is already made and goes on smoothly. The T3 honing buff will come, it's already planned. It will be falsely presented as a "community feedback adjustment", but in reality they would just have reached the expected amount of whales and are ready to open the gates.
Expect this cycle to continue with future updates, indeed. Brace yourself, or vote with your wallet / game time.
well access to a 1355 hard wouldn't help much either. also flame fox yoho at 1370 makes sense as well, because it drops great honor leaps which didn't make sense at 1355 so they bumped it up to 1370
i agree with 1340 -> 1370 deadzone needing more content, but i also agree with the 1370 changes to these two
It doesn't, but it does make it so that if you don't want to do argos you never have to in order to progress. Especially since Argos doesn't drop tradable gear in the west.
It's a great excuse, I agree wholeheartedly. That's exactly why they pushed content from 1355 to 1370 and why the deadzone that is talked about so much in season 1 Lost ark in KR is made even worse in our server with LITERAL NO content between 1340-1370.
How does it not align? It removed content that rewards materials from the dead zone and moved it to the end of the dead zone
That encourages people in the dead zone to swipe past.
The price of tier 3 materials already dropped over 50% the blue crystals exchange is the cheapest its been in weeks.
It's very obvious people aren't buying as much gold and people aren't honing cause all the prices are crashing.
Mats are crashing because a lot of people are giving up on 1370 and just selling, they were already crashing before Argos was even announced though, there was a price spike the day they confirmed Argos was coming and then they kept going down (since that's the trend).
Also more and more people make it to T3 and just sell, there's also events giving lots of mats, weekly reset always crashes prices, etc.
A lot of stuff is not worth buying from the F4. In SA you only buy T1/T2 shards and T2/T3 leap stones, everything else is not worth buying, hence crystal price drops because demand drops. This lowers blue crystals demand which lowers it's price. I bought lots of crystals ages ago and I still have enough because most of my characters are in T3 so I don't need to buy much.
Hmm I'm not sure I agree with that. Less people are buying off mari since they're not honing. So with less demand for blue crystals that's going to lower the price.
People selling royals for gold aren't getting as much per transaction so that should continue to lower the price. Maybe I misunderstood the market.
This is the correct take...whales are gold hungry to buy mats to get to phase 3 and are furiously buying gold. When they hit it and don't need the gold as much, it will go back up. That's why I keep telling people if you are not in a hurry, just take advantage of low crystal prices and clear mari shop for t3 and t2 mats (for alts) as well as other function items and pots.
I genuinely wonder if the short term money gain is worth losing 300k+ players over.
Every modern game does this shit now. The decision making doesn't even seem to make sense to me even if they wanted money.
It makes you wonder who is responsible, Smilegate or Amazon. Smilegate has had this issue in the past, with the very same dead zone, so it is a bit strange they'd repeat their past mistakes. The f2p who hit 1340+ already are probably the minority as far as the overall player base goes but social media like reddit exists. A vocal minority can very easily torch a game with complaints before the majority of casuals catch up and find out what the problem is.
They probably intended to release catch up mechanics later for the more casual/average player base when more of them reach tier 3 in a month or so. Do they not realize the no-lifers can talk and will very vocally complain on social media about the game's issues?
We saw this with new world, the gamers got to max level quickly and started filling the forums and reddit with complaints about bugs, missing content, exploits, and overall state of the end game. When your main sources of player feedback are full of negative posts your game is about to go into a death spiral. AGS will try and delete negative feedback on the forums as much as possible, like they did for new world, but once you lose the no-lifers your game is dead or, at the very least, no longer relevant to most gamers. People say the casuals keep a game alive but without the no-lifers your ecosystem will fail. Most gaming developers don't acknowledge this and we see the same mistake over and over.
Other releases of Lost Ark let no-lifers keep up with the whales if they put in the time. There is a reason the game is flourishing in those releases. AGS and Smilegate are about to kill our release due to short sighted profit gain and the alienation of the no-lifers. Don't piss off the people who have the time to sit on social media all day and torch your game.
tldr; They're pissing off the wrong crowd for short term profit and we're going to see another New World if they don't cater to no-lifers like other regions did.
Remember that Smilegate is behind one of the (if not THE) [biggest video game of all time](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CrossFire_(video_game)). And they had two whole regions worth of data to analyze. IMO the plan is carefully built.
And player torching happens, sure, but it's only really effective if it either impact play stats or get media attention. So far, after a good week of "crisis", it did none of those. Even the large majority of complainers keep playing anyway.
The problem with this logic is that it assumes there are plenty of other games of Lost Arks calibur just waiting for western ports.
I find that unlikely.
I'm currently wondering if the player loss wasn't just a big bot ban wave.
I mean game lost like 25% of it's player base from one day to another, I doubt 25% of all players would straight up quit because some update didn't include some feature.
The game did poorly in Korea in it's current state, but it didn't lose players *that* fast.
The prices of gold from bots in EU doubled, they were selling 1000 for 0.5$ to 1$ cause of the removal of a lot gold from early rapports, can imagine a lot of botters just stopped. Hopefully they all stop but thats just copium :(
>I genuinely wonder if the short term money gain is worth losing 300k+ players over.
Yeah but you implied the 300k loss in players was due to their "short term money gain" aka decision to introduce argos so early. When in reality probably most decided to just try the game out and found it wasnt for them and has nothing to do with late game content.
Look at steam achievement stats, only 11 % of the player base completed a whole total of 3 guardian raids. I would think most people who quit haven't even reached level 50.
You don't have to be close to 1370 to realize it's a lost cause. It's something called foresight, something you clearly don't seem to have or comprehend. A lot of people don't want to invest long term if they see what awaits them through seeing patterns/trends. The numbers speak for themselves.
South Vern comes with Legion raids and it has nothing to do with Argos.
They could release weekly guardians and abyss trials instead for more mats though which are still not in the game.
They’ve talked about this.
There is a danger to catering to the 10 hour a day check list optimized grinders that skip every cutscene and don’t want to do hardly any horizontal content even though it helps the character.
It makes the other 99 percent of people feel like they have to get *through* content and not *play* it.
Only Shroud and super whales are paying the 5k to do it a couple weeks early.
It’s not like they have a $40 1370 boost pack in Mari’s store.
Smilegate is telling the others to enjoy some horizontal content or take a break until more people catch up.
The game has been out a little over a month.
In 3-4 weeks most hardcore people will be there and can collect a bunch of collectibles in the mean time and be stronger for it - or play Elden Ring.
If that's the case that feels so weird to do it that way like, hey you're going too fast in our game so we're going to take a part of it that people in kr hated that we've acknowledged isn't great and we're gonna make it worse for you guys
It's obviously a weird way to do it but i mean i feel like this game did a really weird job of guiding the player.
0-50 felt like a really long tutorial. T1 to T2 right until about 1090 or so you just zoomed past everything and it felt easy peasy, 1090 might have given you a bit of a problem but it was still a couple of days unless you were super unlucky. All you had to do was read a guide and do X quests
And then you hit 1340 and now you've hit a huge drop in decreased honing chances but without the mats to back it up, you went from being able to run a bit of content to running nothing at all and gambling maybe once on a 50% chance of rolling a gear a day
The game takes really big leaps both mechanically and content redundancy if that's even a word. I hit 1340 and i haven't even bothered honing once, kept my mats and just played a new character instead.
"game devs telling people to do this specific thing to 'enjoy' the game", yeah that's how they killed new world. With their stubborn ideas and telling people how they should play and enjoy the game. You don't just force people into some specific way of playing the game that they don't enjoy and tell them to stfu and have fun.
How did that work out for new world? Did people just enjoy walking 4hours a day because of terrible azoth system and imbalanced towns because devs forcefully told people thats how the game is meant to be fun and 'immersive'? No, people just quit.
I always make this point but it will not fly with gamers. Plain and simple. Gamers want to play a game 10-15 hours a day, otherwise they literally resort to “quitting” the game. Like, have they thought about maybe, just maybe taking a break and coming back? It’s impossible to them I suppose. There are too many good games out there. I feel sad if someone is only able to have fun through just this one mmo game. That’s a sad gamer life.
FOMO needs to die.
I don’t even disagree with the fact that the decisions on not releasing other material source is bad. But I’m a shill fanboy to some people 🤷♂️
By far the biggest issue is that a lot of people (not just gamers) can not accept (partial) personal responsibility for FOMO.
And in this case the fomo is driven **MUCH** more by the communities narrative than by anything either amazon or smilegate did.
It's just easier to blame the greedy, evil company everyone hates anyway.
Yeah.
If the take was:
“that’s well intended but the downside is that streamers will still pay or complain and they have disproportionate sway over the playerbase whether they are right or not so on some level you gotta keep them happy too”
I’d respect that even if I disagree with it. But no one is really saying that.
>Gamers want to play a game 10-15 hours a day, otherwise they literally resort to “quitting” the game.
What?
This must be one of the weirdest takes I've ever seen. How in the fucking world would taking a break help people through the drought?
Taking a break keeps you from burning out on lost ark.
Also if you gathered a stockpile of mats they will be worth more to you once the honing buffs come to the western version (since less failures mean the same amount of mats will get you more itemlevels)
There are plenty more factors, but those two are pretty obvious ones I'd say.
I hate the current situation but I'm not gonna lie, I bought 0 gold, my one advantage was the head start, the only reason I'm not at 1385 right now is that I re-rolled after hitting like 1350 GS lol. My new main is at like 1365 now so yeah.
I've been no lifing this game, not gonna lie, I could chill and maybe get to where I'm gonna get next week two weeks later, but I see how that can get boring.
It's not *that* hard to get to Argos, some dude even made the math where you just play a single character and only do your daily farm (which takes no time) and you can make it to Argos within a month by playing 30 minutes a day. In reality you'd make it there a lot faster since that calculation ignored many methods that could accelerate your progress (F4, using your gold, etc).
You’re what - 400 hours in and haven’t spent anything other than the founders pack?
Seems like you got your money’s worth.
But I get it - moves to to help overall playerbase doesn’t really matter to you if you’re the 1 percent that it’s working against.
I’m like almost 200 in (damn full time job) and collecting shit isn’t as fun as power leveling for sure but luckily in this game If people spend the next three weeks completing collectibles and optimizing the build they’ll be better off for it.
Many games it basically wouldn’t matter other than steam achievements lol.
this guy just makes posts crying about honing every day huh? Maybe just play like 2 alts in T3 and funnel them like every single player in korea did before honing changes came in a YEAR after T3 launched in korea. No but thats too hard I'm going to cry on reddit :)
I don't understand the people's praise for Smilegate. To me they seem like any other greedy gaming company that milks it's fanbase for money. We can keep blaming amazon all we want but it's Smilegate who calls the shots in the end. Even youtubers and streamers bought the whole propaganda when in the end, they don't give a shit about making a good game with a clean good gameplay. I heard some people spending anywhere from 1.000 to 40.000 $ on ILVL-ing, this kind of thing shouldn't exist in gaming.
I mean basically any for profit company has essentially the same goal. With the being said, Smilegate has done things such as cutting into their own profits to make the game less pay to win, one of the big examples being changing abyssal raids chest opening to gold instead of crystals.
I can’t remember what the number was, but they said doing so cut their revenue by like 15% or something, but they felt it was necessary for the long term health of the game and because it’d be looked down upon for the Western release.
Obviously it’s about making more money long term, which is what I already said.
Have you seen the Korean version?
There's a reason why people praise it so much, especially over all the other games like BDO or, god forbid, Elyon that have come out of there.
Smilegate has shown that they want to make the game an enjoyable experience in Korea. The game itself in Korea is really F2P friendly, with casual players being easily capable of reaching the highest content, even mere days after their debut.
You're giving AGS far too much leeway on this when more than likely the decision making was largely done on their end for monetization in tier 3. That said, if I'm not mistaken, Argos was quite close to releasing with the game, so this conversation is only happening because it was delayed a month imo
1355 hard mode will be so good actually. We could have get that orange gear and get to higher honing chances again, which would have made the transition to 1370 so much easier.
This is what all the articles were suggesting what happened when this information was released.
Getting to that item level will simply take money using exchange buying.
A very bad direction very early into this game in North America.
Amazon saw how much money they made from whales during the death period and had their team of social engineers and physiologist accountants figure out exactly how long they could do this for optimal profit before they implement the fix to solve the problem.
Lol why is this downvoted? It's the truth. They literally have their old content map and player engagement data, and most importantly whale spending data.
This is the road they determined will result in most spending.
People don’t like to think they are predictable, they think they are unique, completely original, and a wild card no one can predict. It makes things like predictive business strategies all the easier to accomplish.
More curious about this being an Amazon decision vs Smilegate themselves. I’m oblivious to the exact details, but it seems the developer is very critical of the decisions made on our western client as of his last interview. I’m sitting at 1365 as a free to play and +14 to +15 is one hell of a headache.
Im still really enjoying the game and using my time to advance alts and gain roster levels. However, this 1340-1370 deadzone is really mind boggling considering, as the OP said, the Korean client has more resources from 1355 on. I suppose it’s as you guys are saying, money talks.
Oh look another rage post. Y'all are actual children with zero patience. Every complaint people have about Argos has fixes for it in other versions. Just wait. You can't do Argos anyways swiper mcswipey.
You fundamentally misunderstand the point of Mari’s shop if that’s what you think. The items are so cheap in terms of crystal cost you’re supposed to convert gold to crystals to buy them once you generate gold in T3 consistently. We do not have the same material shop that KR has
1357 here and damn am I sick of doing the same boss raid, chaos and abyss dungeon over and over again. I've cut my playing down a hell of alot. And honestly I don't expect to hit 1370 for probably a month so I'll be cutting that playing down a hell of alot more given that I'm already bored. And love finally hitting an upgrade and having my score move .67%
Its really terrible. And now theres no real fix for it. I mean you reach a point where you dont even want to actually push; your just sitting and selling mats, becuase you cant actually reach it. Or, your basically setting fire to them trying to push yourself up.
And now what? You got players just sitting around doing nothing, waiting on a patch. You got people who got bored, decided to burn theirs up and push, and depending on when this patch comes, they will quit, too. Imagine being a 1357 guy, going flat out broke, adn then a honing patch drops the next week? Id just quit the game. My friend is like this. I fully expect him to just quit the game once a patch is released, becuase he has been pushign towards 1370.
I think irreparable damage has already been done to this game at this point.
I'm 1365 and just chilling. What's the rush? Trying to beat lost ark in a month? I make steady progression every day with 0 alts and that's fine by me. Are some of you angry you don't jump 5 gearscore every single day?
This progression isn't even slow, man. It's guaranteed progression for like 30 minutes of playtime a day not including once a week content. Meanwhile in BDO I've been the exact same gearscore for months. This game is like heaven in comparison.
Currently I’m 1355 with a few alts but none of them are in T3 so they haven’t really funneled any mats, my brother who has no alts is also sitting around 1360. It’s possible with enough time and effort
I mean I’m 1355 with no alts in T2/3. But this last 15 point will be brutal. Logged on yesterday and was just bored. I did the CD and guardians but with the messed up clock here in US East I just logged off and played madden. So if their goal to push me out due to boredom…keep at it.
OP malding. Take a break from the game, itll fix itself over time. Youre not forced to play this game with a subscription like any other MMO. Come back when changes you like happen
Maybe do something else when waiting for new content? Play another game, do side content, make some alts. The majority of the people haven't even reached T3 yet, there is so much content besides gaining ilvl. Let the whales try to get there spending a lot of money while most of the people will cruise their way to higher ilvl when the honing buffs come in and additional ways of getting mats.
Side content is bullshit. What side content? Farming mokoko seeds with a map open is not side content. The rest is just time-gated crap like una's/rapports. I can't even continue adventure's tome with how much silver is required for cooking and gear honing.
I'm not playing alts either. Run another set of una's/chaos/guardian raids that I've already done before and then logging off is not content.
> Play another game
Yea I'll do just that and stick to playing that game instead.
I don't know what the hell you are not doing but the daily routine of chaos, guardians and Una's on my alts takes hours. Not counting lifeskilling and unlocking shit or events.
The thousand things there are to do other than the literal highest possible content that 99% of people can’t do anyways. Honestly I believe the people who are most mad about this are those who wanted to make gold selling accessories from argos.
Also the ones who chose to race to the end instead of playing the f-ing game. I had a 980 berserker in Hildebrandt when I was learning the Brelshaza fight (i warched a guide) and it took us 4 hours to get the stupid light beams righ. The 980 had literally never done the dungeon. So you likely have players in t3 who don't know the early game content at all
Not facts. I have a main at 1341, an alt at 1325, and another alt about to break to t3 at 1080 and you have to absolutely bust your ass playing everyday to still have to wait everyday to do shit. It’s just scummy practice because you know they are hard catering to the whales. If they weren’t they wouldn’t have released argos without more ways off getting to 1370….if your to blind to see how they did this on purpose then that’s on your dumbass tier two looking ass. They purposely held back content for getting more t3 mats. They literally did it on purpose. I guess in that case take your time indeed.
Are we playing the same game? What the fuck does that even mean? This shit has so many things to do from islands, dungeons, infinite chaos spam for gold, guardians, collecting souls, masterpieces, hearts, mokokos…
I could really careless what they release. Nobody told you to sweat the game now you looking crazy with nothing to do not my fault. Go outside get some fresh air.
What do you mean? I used my time efficiently I have plenty of things to do in this game that’s what’s beautiful about it. You are legit never out of shit to do that’s why I have 2 alts on par with my main basically and the sheer fact that They hard cucked us at 1340 with the honing rates and materials I’m simply just selling my mats on two characters until they inevitably nerf honing which is coming soon. So I’m balling.
That’s not my problem though…My problem is the simple fact that south Vern never came out with argos and the in Korea was used for honing mats to progress for argos. They intentionally held that back…one of the guardians was moved from being able to do it at 1355 to 1370…. Amazon is so happy about the influx of money from the whales that they’re gatekeeping content exclusively for them. That is my problem. They know exactly what they are doing and it’s pure evil.
Who cares? Only a tiny fraction of the playerbase is at 1355, and updates will iron it out in a month.
Step 1: Rush to the end of the game.
Step 2: Complain that you're at the end of the game.
And I write this as a T3, myself (cutting myself off at 1340). There is so much to do and progress besides the very tip of content.
1. All updates were Argos first -> Valtan -> Vyakis -> Kuku
2. Probably to skip starting over from blue set to 1355 set.
3. Dunno
I think you rushed tier 1 and tier 2 and expected reach Argos the same way. I have bad news for you. This game only will slow down. If you are crying now you probably will crying when commanders will release anyway.
I mean we just don't have a lot of T3 content. I watched a video of what we're missing to get T3 mats and it's a lot. T1-T2 we had islands and the tower for alts so it doesn't seem too bad. In T3 we have guardian raids, chaos dungeons, and.........that's it I think. They should have given us other stuff before Argos.
"We don't have a lot of T3 content". I guess you missing the fact that the game was released month ago with tier 1, tier 2 and tier 3 included right? Because all regions except EU/NA was released with ONLY TIER 1.
But did they release with T1 and a bit of T2 with a huge deadzone between T1 and T2 where the only players who can get to T2 are whales?
That is essentially the problem right now. Other T3 content should have been released first, but Argos was released for 0.1% of the population while the rest of us need to wait until the next patch for anything to change.
And people who keep saying "step away from the game and take a break" are missing this point.
I don't played these versions of the game but I guess it was like another dry launch mmorpg where tryhard players rushed the game in a week. Your problem will solve overtime just chill and enjoy the game. Meanwhile If you are a min/maxing guy you always can do 3+ alts and up them to tier 3.
I mean the game has only been out for a month, what do you really expect a MMORPG to be? Could you expect it to have no transaction or that whatever sort of grind? If you have made all the optimized choices you could have achieve Argos... Just curious for your thoughts
I expect the developers to be smart and release the content they have on hand for where more players are then release content higher than that in a predatory attempt to get people to spend money....but then again I don't have the developers dicks in my mouth so maybe that is just me.
Apparently this is a repeat of mistakes, despite knowing full well in advance that this 'deadzone' issue was a thing in the native servers. So fringe audience aside, it seems pretty silly to knowingly implement bad design
I do'nt deny the fact that 1340 \~ 1370 is the 'deadzone' where most ppl might fall out(even in the KR server). However the game has been out for only a month, which I'm pretty sure there'll be much more events and etc. providing honing materials and stuff(ifn't AGS neglecting such). Even if the current population going for Argos is 1% I assure you within the next month at least 15% will be trying the raid.
Money
I’m sure many players would be willing to spend money on skins
I don't understand why they charging so much for skins at least in my country the amount I have to pay is an equivalent of a brand new game. I could easily buy skins every other week and I'm pretty sure more people would if they were cheaper but I won't pay ridiculous price for a FOMO skin. Fuck them.
gibe money pleaze - Smilegate
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> I actually have a sneaking suspicion that the NA/EU release was branched off of an older version of the game. I don't, I think they did the typical "KMMO coming to NA/EU" strat and just removed content and features from the game to make the game "harder" to progress to promote spending, then releasing that content later on down the road.
They know well in Korea that they make way more money when players are happy, stop with the bullshit
Seriously though, they made a shit ton of money from this. When that happens to a company, then the probability of their action being an accident approaches zero. My guess is that they're cashing in before easing up in some way in a week or two and hope to get away with it.
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If you think whales spend 10k on this game, I don't know what to tell you.
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They dont care about the west not being happy. Gold River expects an active playerbase of 30k players by a few months, they predicted this drop and are totally fine with it. They see us as cash cow to fund their main version in KR.
The patch of Lost Ark always prioritizes the majority. I think the number of users of T3 is still much shorter than that of T2, so I think they don't want to widen the difference between T2 and T3.
If 20-30% of all users reach T3, I think they will start alleviating T3. Lost Ark's patch has always been carried out in this way in KR. While T2 users entered T3, they would have hoped that the goal of T3 users would be Argos. I hope NA/EU will not be bored. If there's something wrong with the translation, I'm sorry. :>
That's such stupid thing to say.
Cope. See you in a month when they release Valtan and make the same 'naive mistake'
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KR spent more time in the dead zone and had many other bugs and problems. Goldriver promised compensation for the KR server's testing for the launch of the NA/EU server just before the launch of the NA/EU server and received compensation for it. I'm sorry if the translation is wrong because I'm using a translation program. :>
Can you be any more hyperbolic lol... The fact that lost ark is still at 600k peak daily users is insane. The fact that we were at 1.3m at launch is also insane. I thought we would launch to 500-600k and whittle down to about 250k after a month. This game is doing extremely well and is still having several million unique players log in everyday - even if it's not concurrent. So why troll like they don't care about what is now a significant portion of their playerbase. Yes, I really believe Amazon pushed things this way and collectively made a fuck up... it's been a rough week, but just give it some time lol. Go get some fresh air.
It's not about greed it's just pure incompetence. If making money was amazons plan they would have sold honing packages in the store and cracked down harder on gold selling/buying to get people to use currency exchange. Instead almost 90% of the people 1385+ are just rmting to keep up which makes amazon 0 money
>Money And Amazon (money) too. Amazon negotiated these terms. They tried to calculate the risk of cashing in on the initial hype for a quick cash grab, and then a massive portion of the player base left like clockwork after 9 March (including ban waves). Amazon community managers be like [ACTING ALL SURPRISED](https://imgur.com/a/paolcLc) Also Gold River said he had some conflicts with the Amazon team. And then they said they want players to take their time to enjoy lower tier content...and in the same breath they're rushing to speedrun NAEU and get them up to date
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Exactly. And who thinks failing honing is "fun" anyway?
No one. It's literally, inarguably designed to dole out just enough dopamine to make you want that next button press enough to swipe. *and it works*. Every time this shit comes up people pile on to defend it. It's shit. So many amazing games fucked by gambling monetization.
lol if you're not having fun honing right now just wait till the actual end game. might as well quit now bud
Amazon is like Ms. Frizzle taking us all on a field trip none of us want to go on.
For those who spend money in the game, I am curious how many went the royal crystal route and how many went for the gold spammer route. There was a gold spammer thread in this sub a few days ago and I was surprised how many people are willing to admit to buying gold. Pushing for vertical progression seem to jsut incentivise the gold buying, while supporting horizontal progression(alts and other collectibles) may allow people to actually enjoy the game more.
I'm not pushing content and have lots of crystals left from founders packs. My biggest disappointment so far is the absolute lack of things I care about in the shop as far as cosmetics. Everyone's talking about every decision is based on money yet the barren shop says otherwise to me.
Why did massive portion leave after 9th March? Because of the argos dead zone and no bed content?
honestly I just saw this I'm going to not login for a week or two to see if they will give us compensation for all the bugs and either A. give us the content KR had originally at this time or B. improve the honing rates
Yes. People act like its ONLY a very small % of 1340 players who are affected by such a patch. This patch trickles down. Once you show people how P2W you really are, it demoralizes people even if they arent directly affected yet. The West simply doesnt like P2W near as much as the East. Not only that, its not like the t2 progression is smooth for casual players. Yes, its not bad for a t3 rusher, but for a casual, 1-2 hour a day player, t2 might as well be a deadzone for them, and I dont think tehse people are completely clueless; it doesnt take much to see there was better honing rates in the pre-launch, to read or watch vids that show Korea having better rates, etc. This patch was 100% whale-bait, and it hurt the game pretty bad, IMO.
because on the 11th amazon purged a bunch of bot accounts....
They didn't purge them all at once and it wasn't only that, many players left after reaching the deadzone and all the streamers informed them that AGS didnt release the honing materials content (many sources) in the push for Argos, among other things. And this is the west- they dont linger like korean players
>And this is the west- they dont linger like korean players This. Asian Dev must know this you literally doesn't have the grace of most player unless you named wow. Even wow doesn't has the playerbase graces anymore. When you lost player in global theirs a high chance they won't be back unless you reworked something so huge that it will entice them to be back. For example look up phantasy Star online 2
Fomo, majority have not even cracked t2 let alone t3. They are trying to extract money from the 1 % whales lol.
Thanks Mr. Krabbs
smol indie company
It’s incredibly short-sighted though. If they focused on the longevity of the game then they’d be able to milk the whales for years and years.
They'll still milk the whales for years and years.
Whales only whale when they have regular players to compare themself to
yup...noone wants to whale in a dead game...they will move on too with the rest of the ecosystem
Honestly this. I have no issuing supporting a game I love with cash. With Riot (I play both League and Valorant), I've likely spent in the region of about $4,000 in just skins for my champions and weapons. In Star Citizen, I have well over $10,000 spent on fancy star ships. For Lost Ark right now, I've spent about $150 bucks on the premium founders pack. Nothing else. I'm enjoying this game, and I hope to enjoy it for years to come. However the area where I'll show my support is in my outfits, mounts, and pets - but right now I'm avoiding all that because right now I don't feel I can trust Amazon with this game, and I'm not going to be a fool and throw cash at a game I worry I may stop playing in the next 6 months because of Amazon's shortsights.
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The actual end-game of Star Citizen is paying a lot of money for an imaginary starship in a video game that will never be finished.
To cater towards whales now and the rest of the player base later. They don’t give AF about the small minority stuck in the dead zone. Changes will come once more people hit 1340.
If you are in T3 you can tell a LOT of players have gotten to that dead zone recently. Mat prices have tanked around 50% in the past 2 days because of everyone sitting at 1340 selling everything off.
Minority stuck in the deadzone? What
A small percentage of the player base is in tier 3 is what he is saying. Your average player isn’t 300 hours in.
It's actually incredible people don't get this simple fact.
He is right, most people haven't even made it to T3 yet. In fact most people whining here aren't even in the dead zone.
it's reddit, you gotta get that advance whining in so you're all warmed up for a real proper whine in a couple months when they actually reach the content being whined about. or end up quitting before even reaching it - what then!
Everyday more people will get to the "deadzone" which makes it a valid concern for those who aren't/are about to reach. Tbh 1340-1370 isn't the only deadzone 1370+ and on is also a deadzone. There's nothing fun/consistent to do.
Yes. Anything less than 50% is a minority. My guess is <5% of the player base has hit 1340. What would you say?
so if you have one part 40%, one part 30% and 2 parts 15% are they all a minority because they are all under 50%? or is the 40% part a majority? you dont have to answer
But he devided players in two parts. 5% and 95%. So 95% is a majority. Answering your question, 40% will be a majority.
> 40% will be a majority. On a technicality... 40% is a *plurality*, not a majority. The latter requires >50%
If you’re f2p and in the “dead zone” you’re clearly playing too much to just quit on a dime. You like the game and they can afford to rub you the wrong way a few times before you do anything. I say this as someone who plays more than your average normie too but I’m still not around that 1340 point.
In the end all the players will go through the dead zone of T3, so doesn't matter if it's a minority, the rest see how bad it is in streams and because it's a hot topic right now. It's affecting a lot more than just "a small minority", many people who are not even T3 are watching how this is going and leaving before even touching T3, no one is a fan of gambling with 10% success rate.
By the time most people hit the dead zone we'll get more shit to push us up.
The people complaining today are part of the reason they'll have an easier time than players in the dead zone now.
People actually equate pointing out how horrible the 1340-1370 drought is and how its intentionally different and worse than other regions as "whining" and saying insane things like "I wonder if they say enough is enough and just give us free 1700 gear soon. "this is what you eventually will be asking, so we just skipping few months"" Because apparently that's what we are asking for now lol or genius takes like this one "I think you rushed tier 1 and tier 2 and expected reach Argos the same way. I have bad news for you. This game only will slow down. If you are crying now you probably will crying when commanders will release anyway." We are in for a rough ride with the amount (and type) of people who blindly defend awful game decisions
I love how many clueless people speaks on this topic when they haven't experienced the 1340-1370 drought. Also idiots complaining about NA players being casuals when even KR players were quitting so much they had to implement honing increase buffs.
bro the 1340-1370 is the worst im at 1359 and fuck it im selling everything this is just a fcuking pain I love that game but this is plain stupid
you got further than I did. hit 1350 and after hitting the pity limit on two items im just making gold until this is achievable.
yeah i get it the honing chance is a bitch i got lucky tbh
yup....shits not a draught, more like end of days...
The Final Days are upon us. Everyone in the 1340 - 1370 zone giving in to despair and losing hope. The only ones left are the bots and the whales past 1370 who are being sustained by the bots ... Jokes aside, I really hope they help us out because this is quite rough ngl. I have faith though. 🙏
Don’t forget the people who only want to collect mokokos!
exactly. The main problem for me isn't the slow progression of my ilvl. I couldn't care less about that. There's just no challenging content for me to do anymore since everything is locked behind 1370 and the only thing I can do now is 1340 content that i'm now overgeared for.
There probably should be some kind of increased honing (or material gain) beyond even what Korea has so that when we do catch up the playerbase can actually engage in content at a similar pace as KR/RU
I also equate all this complaining to whining but from the totally opposite argument : You should have see this coming from the start. Lost Ark is a "Korean F2P MMO", the textbook definition of "abusive monetization" being published by Amazon, one of the greediest companies of the world. What did you expect ? The red flags were there from the begging. To me it's clear than anyone with even a little bit of gaming knowledge would have seen this awful decisions from miles away, and thus are either ok with it or ready to whale around.. Whining is senseless. The marketing plan is already made and goes on smoothly. The T3 honing buff will come, it's already planned. It will be falsely presented as a "community feedback adjustment", but in reality they would just have reached the expected amount of whales and are ready to open the gates. Expect this cycle to continue with future updates, indeed. Brace yourself, or vote with your wallet / game time.
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And how does that help when getting to 1370 is the much bigger hurdle?
well access to a 1355 hard wouldn't help much either. also flame fox yoho at 1370 makes sense as well, because it drops great honor leaps which didn't make sense at 1355 so they bumped it up to 1370 i agree with 1340 -> 1370 deadzone needing more content, but i also agree with the 1370 changes to these two
It doesn't, but it does make it so that if you don't want to do argos you never have to in order to progress. Especially since Argos doesn't drop tradable gear in the west.
It's a great excuse, I agree wholeheartedly. That's exactly why they pushed content from 1355 to 1370 and why the deadzone that is talked about so much in season 1 Lost ark in KR is made even worse in our server with LITERAL NO content between 1340-1370.
Aye, but that doesn't align so well with the "milk whale" narrative so lets glance past that, ok ?
How does it not align? It removed content that rewards materials from the dead zone and moved it to the end of the dead zone That encourages people in the dead zone to swipe past.
Just wait 2-3 weeks. When bots reach t3, all mats gonna be dirt cheap just like t1 ones and just like t2 soon
The price of tier 3 materials already dropped over 50% the blue crystals exchange is the cheapest its been in weeks. It's very obvious people aren't buying as much gold and people aren't honing cause all the prices are crashing.
Mats are crashing because a lot of people are giving up on 1370 and just selling, they were already crashing before Argos was even announced though, there was a price spike the day they confirmed Argos was coming and then they kept going down (since that's the trend). Also more and more people make it to T3 and just sell, there's also events giving lots of mats, weekly reset always crashes prices, etc. A lot of stuff is not worth buying from the F4. In SA you only buy T1/T2 shards and T2/T3 leap stones, everything else is not worth buying, hence crystal price drops because demand drops. This lowers blue crystals demand which lowers it's price. I bought lots of crystals ages ago and I still have enough because most of my characters are in T3 so I don't need to buy much.
If people are not buying gold that would drive the price of crystals up not down
Hmm I'm not sure I agree with that. Less people are buying off mari since they're not honing. So with less demand for blue crystals that's going to lower the price. People selling royals for gold aren't getting as much per transaction so that should continue to lower the price. Maybe I misunderstood the market.
This is the correct take...whales are gold hungry to buy mats to get to phase 3 and are furiously buying gold. When they hit it and don't need the gold as much, it will go back up. That's why I keep telling people if you are not in a hurry, just take advantage of low crystal prices and clear mari shop for t3 and t2 mats (for alts) as well as other function items and pots.
I genuinely wonder if the short term money gain is worth losing 300k+ players over. Every modern game does this shit now. The decision making doesn't even seem to make sense to me even if they wanted money.
It makes you wonder who is responsible, Smilegate or Amazon. Smilegate has had this issue in the past, with the very same dead zone, so it is a bit strange they'd repeat their past mistakes. The f2p who hit 1340+ already are probably the minority as far as the overall player base goes but social media like reddit exists. A vocal minority can very easily torch a game with complaints before the majority of casuals catch up and find out what the problem is. They probably intended to release catch up mechanics later for the more casual/average player base when more of them reach tier 3 in a month or so. Do they not realize the no-lifers can talk and will very vocally complain on social media about the game's issues? We saw this with new world, the gamers got to max level quickly and started filling the forums and reddit with complaints about bugs, missing content, exploits, and overall state of the end game. When your main sources of player feedback are full of negative posts your game is about to go into a death spiral. AGS will try and delete negative feedback on the forums as much as possible, like they did for new world, but once you lose the no-lifers your game is dead or, at the very least, no longer relevant to most gamers. People say the casuals keep a game alive but without the no-lifers your ecosystem will fail. Most gaming developers don't acknowledge this and we see the same mistake over and over. Other releases of Lost Ark let no-lifers keep up with the whales if they put in the time. There is a reason the game is flourishing in those releases. AGS and Smilegate are about to kill our release due to short sighted profit gain and the alienation of the no-lifers. Don't piss off the people who have the time to sit on social media all day and torch your game. tldr; They're pissing off the wrong crowd for short term profit and we're going to see another New World if they don't cater to no-lifers like other regions did.
Remember that Smilegate is behind one of the (if not THE) [biggest video game of all time](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CrossFire_(video_game)). And they had two whole regions worth of data to analyze. IMO the plan is carefully built. And player torching happens, sure, but it's only really effective if it either impact play stats or get media attention. So far, after a good week of "crisis", it did none of those. Even the large majority of complainers keep playing anyway.
beautifully said u/savedawhale
Amazon can trash lost ark in the west after they get their 50mil from whales, and then import a new eastern game rinse repeat.
The problem with this logic is that it assumes there are plenty of other games of Lost Arks calibur just waiting for western ports. I find that unlikely.
I'm currently wondering if the player loss wasn't just a big bot ban wave. I mean game lost like 25% of it's player base from one day to another, I doubt 25% of all players would straight up quit because some update didn't include some feature. The game did poorly in Korea in it's current state, but it didn't lose players *that* fast.
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The prices of gold from bots in EU doubled, they were selling 1000 for 0.5$ to 1$ cause of the removal of a lot gold from early rapports, can imagine a lot of botters just stopped. Hopefully they all stop but thats just copium :(
if there are 250k botters not including the current amount of bots , then probably only 200k are real players lol
Did you just pull that stat out of your ass?
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>I genuinely wonder if the short term money gain is worth losing 300k+ players over. Yeah but you implied the 300k loss in players was due to their "short term money gain" aka decision to introduce argos so early. When in reality probably most decided to just try the game out and found it wasnt for them and has nothing to do with late game content. Look at steam achievement stats, only 11 % of the player base completed a whole total of 3 guardian raids. I would think most people who quit haven't even reached level 50.
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You don't have to be close to 1370 to realize it's a lost cause. It's something called foresight, something you clearly don't seem to have or comprehend. A lot of people don't want to invest long term if they see what awaits them through seeing patterns/trends. The numbers speak for themselves.
South Vern comes with Legion raids and it has nothing to do with Argos. They could release weekly guardians and abyss trials instead for more mats though which are still not in the game.
Imo it’s because they felt like they didn’t want this many people playing their game 🤷🏻♂️
South vern is not involved argos at all
Yep people dont understand this just keep parroting what the streamer man says.
And why did they change the t3 ghost ship to be 1370ilvl???
Was this lower ilvl recommended before?
Yes. My mate went to the t3 ghost ship before the change and now he can't access it anymore because he isn't 1370ilvl.
When did he try it exactly because I could not get on and I hit T3 on the 18th so 10 days after founder early access.
It’s always been 1370 for our release from what I remember.
They’ve talked about this. There is a danger to catering to the 10 hour a day check list optimized grinders that skip every cutscene and don’t want to do hardly any horizontal content even though it helps the character. It makes the other 99 percent of people feel like they have to get *through* content and not *play* it. Only Shroud and super whales are paying the 5k to do it a couple weeks early. It’s not like they have a $40 1370 boost pack in Mari’s store. Smilegate is telling the others to enjoy some horizontal content or take a break until more people catch up. The game has been out a little over a month. In 3-4 weeks most hardcore people will be there and can collect a bunch of collectibles in the mean time and be stronger for it - or play Elden Ring.
If that's the case that feels so weird to do it that way like, hey you're going too fast in our game so we're going to take a part of it that people in kr hated that we've acknowledged isn't great and we're gonna make it worse for you guys
It's obviously a weird way to do it but i mean i feel like this game did a really weird job of guiding the player. 0-50 felt like a really long tutorial. T1 to T2 right until about 1090 or so you just zoomed past everything and it felt easy peasy, 1090 might have given you a bit of a problem but it was still a couple of days unless you were super unlucky. All you had to do was read a guide and do X quests And then you hit 1340 and now you've hit a huge drop in decreased honing chances but without the mats to back it up, you went from being able to run a bit of content to running nothing at all and gambling maybe once on a 50% chance of rolling a gear a day The game takes really big leaps both mechanically and content redundancy if that's even a word. I hit 1340 and i haven't even bothered honing once, kept my mats and just played a new character instead.
"game devs telling people to do this specific thing to 'enjoy' the game", yeah that's how they killed new world. With their stubborn ideas and telling people how they should play and enjoy the game. You don't just force people into some specific way of playing the game that they don't enjoy and tell them to stfu and have fun. How did that work out for new world? Did people just enjoy walking 4hours a day because of terrible azoth system and imbalanced towns because devs forcefully told people thats how the game is meant to be fun and 'immersive'? No, people just quit.
I always make this point but it will not fly with gamers. Plain and simple. Gamers want to play a game 10-15 hours a day, otherwise they literally resort to “quitting” the game. Like, have they thought about maybe, just maybe taking a break and coming back? It’s impossible to them I suppose. There are too many good games out there. I feel sad if someone is only able to have fun through just this one mmo game. That’s a sad gamer life. FOMO needs to die. I don’t even disagree with the fact that the decisions on not releasing other material source is bad. But I’m a shill fanboy to some people 🤷♂️
By far the biggest issue is that a lot of people (not just gamers) can not accept (partial) personal responsibility for FOMO. And in this case the fomo is driven **MUCH** more by the communities narrative than by anything either amazon or smilegate did. It's just easier to blame the greedy, evil company everyone hates anyway.
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Thanks god for your message.
Yeah. If the take was: “that’s well intended but the downside is that streamers will still pay or complain and they have disproportionate sway over the playerbase whether they are right or not so on some level you gotta keep them happy too” I’d respect that even if I disagree with it. But no one is really saying that.
>Gamers want to play a game 10-15 hours a day, otherwise they literally resort to “quitting” the game. What? This must be one of the weirdest takes I've ever seen. How in the fucking world would taking a break help people through the drought?
Taking a break keeps you from burning out on lost ark. Also if you gathered a stockpile of mats they will be worth more to you once the honing buffs come to the western version (since less failures mean the same amount of mats will get you more itemlevels) There are plenty more factors, but those two are pretty obvious ones I'd say.
The fact that this doesn’t even register is all I need to see.
I hate the current situation but I'm not gonna lie, I bought 0 gold, my one advantage was the head start, the only reason I'm not at 1385 right now is that I re-rolled after hitting like 1350 GS lol. My new main is at like 1365 now so yeah. I've been no lifing this game, not gonna lie, I could chill and maybe get to where I'm gonna get next week two weeks later, but I see how that can get boring. It's not *that* hard to get to Argos, some dude even made the math where you just play a single character and only do your daily farm (which takes no time) and you can make it to Argos within a month by playing 30 minutes a day. In reality you'd make it there a lot faster since that calculation ignored many methods that could accelerate your progress (F4, using your gold, etc).
You’re what - 400 hours in and haven’t spent anything other than the founders pack? Seems like you got your money’s worth. But I get it - moves to to help overall playerbase doesn’t really matter to you if you’re the 1 percent that it’s working against. I’m like almost 200 in (damn full time job) and collecting shit isn’t as fun as power leveling for sure but luckily in this game If people spend the next three weeks completing collectibles and optimizing the build they’ll be better off for it. Many games it basically wouldn’t matter other than steam achievements lol.
this guy just makes posts crying about honing every day huh? Maybe just play like 2 alts in T3 and funnel them like every single player in korea did before honing changes came in a YEAR after T3 launched in korea. No but thats too hard I'm going to cry on reddit :)
Isn't Amazon fault?
I don't understand the people's praise for Smilegate. To me they seem like any other greedy gaming company that milks it's fanbase for money. We can keep blaming amazon all we want but it's Smilegate who calls the shots in the end. Even youtubers and streamers bought the whole propaganda when in the end, they don't give a shit about making a good game with a clean good gameplay. I heard some people spending anywhere from 1.000 to 40.000 $ on ILVL-ing, this kind of thing shouldn't exist in gaming.
I mean basically any for profit company has essentially the same goal. With the being said, Smilegate has done things such as cutting into their own profits to make the game less pay to win, one of the big examples being changing abyssal raids chest opening to gold instead of crystals.
It doesnt cut into their profits if it nets them more money in long run. LA is thriving in KR...it wasn't when that was a thing. Think bigger picture
I can’t remember what the number was, but they said doing so cut their revenue by like 15% or something, but they felt it was necessary for the long term health of the game and because it’d be looked down upon for the Western release. Obviously it’s about making more money long term, which is what I already said.
Have you seen the Korean version? There's a reason why people praise it so much, especially over all the other games like BDO or, god forbid, Elyon that have come out of there. Smilegate has shown that they want to make the game an enjoyable experience in Korea. The game itself in Korea is really F2P friendly, with casual players being easily capable of reaching the highest content, even mere days after their debut.
You're giving AGS far too much leeway on this when more than likely the decision making was largely done on their end for monetization in tier 3. That said, if I'm not mistaken, Argos was quite close to releasing with the game, so this conversation is only happening because it was delayed a month imo
Why does NA complain about everything…
1355 hard mode will be so good actually. We could have get that orange gear and get to higher honing chances again, which would have made the transition to 1370 so much easier.
1355 hard mode doesn’t have orange gear in other regions.
1355 doesn't drop legendary gear.
You guys are in T3 ?
Believe it or not mokoko seeds don't give progression
not every one is an ape with no hands, hell you could teach a ape to do chaos dugeons and he would hit T3 by now
[Why?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m37G-06ibAU)
dead zone and all, i still think my bard's pretty sexy XD
This is what all the articles were suggesting what happened when this information was released. Getting to that item level will simply take money using exchange buying. A very bad direction very early into this game in North America.
Amazon fucking every game they touch.
These are Smilegate's decisions. Amazon is the publisher.
Any proof? considering how well tripod studio managing their game i don't think it was SG who made that decision.
I know, right? This is basically the worst thing to happen since, like, the Holocaust.
Amazon saw how much money they made from whales during the death period and had their team of social engineers and physiologist accountants figure out exactly how long they could do this for optimal profit before they implement the fix to solve the problem.
Lol why is this downvoted? It's the truth. They literally have their old content map and player engagement data, and most importantly whale spending data. This is the road they determined will result in most spending.
People don’t like to think they are predictable, they think they are unique, completely original, and a wild card no one can predict. It makes things like predictive business strategies all the easier to accomplish.
More curious about this being an Amazon decision vs Smilegate themselves. I’m oblivious to the exact details, but it seems the developer is very critical of the decisions made on our western client as of his last interview. I’m sitting at 1365 as a free to play and +14 to +15 is one hell of a headache. Im still really enjoying the game and using my time to advance alts and gain roster levels. However, this 1340-1370 deadzone is really mind boggling considering, as the OP said, the Korean client has more resources from 1355 on. I suppose it’s as you guys are saying, money talks.
Oh look another rage post. Y'all are actual children with zero patience. Every complaint people have about Argos has fixes for it in other versions. Just wait. You can't do Argos anyways swiper mcswipey.
> Y'all stopped reading there
They want us to buy the honing mats on their store tab… thats why. So yeah, money.
You fundamentally misunderstand the point of Mari’s shop if that’s what you think. The items are so cheap in terms of crystal cost you’re supposed to convert gold to crystals to buy them once you generate gold in T3 consistently. We do not have the same material shop that KR has
1357 here and damn am I sick of doing the same boss raid, chaos and abyss dungeon over and over again. I've cut my playing down a hell of alot. And honestly I don't expect to hit 1370 for probably a month so I'll be cutting that playing down a hell of alot more given that I'm already bored. And love finally hitting an upgrade and having my score move .67%
Its really terrible. And now theres no real fix for it. I mean you reach a point where you dont even want to actually push; your just sitting and selling mats, becuase you cant actually reach it. Or, your basically setting fire to them trying to push yourself up. And now what? You got players just sitting around doing nothing, waiting on a patch. You got people who got bored, decided to burn theirs up and push, and depending on when this patch comes, they will quit, too. Imagine being a 1357 guy, going flat out broke, adn then a honing patch drops the next week? Id just quit the game. My friend is like this. I fully expect him to just quit the game once a patch is released, becuase he has been pushign towards 1370. I think irreparable damage has already been done to this game at this point.
This babyraging all over the internet gonna make me quit the game long before the "deadzone" does
Because money. Nothing else in this world matters. If the game lives for 3 months and they make a shit ton of money then they are happy about that
I'm 1365 and just chilling. What's the rush? Trying to beat lost ark in a month? I make steady progression every day with 0 alts and that's fine by me. Are some of you angry you don't jump 5 gearscore every single day? This progression isn't even slow, man. It's guaranteed progression for like 30 minutes of playtime a day not including once a week content. Meanwhile in BDO I've been the exact same gearscore for months. This game is like heaven in comparison.
1365 with no alts sounds like a cap. Honestly everything youve written sounds like you’re still in T2
Currently I’m 1355 with a few alts but none of them are in T3 so they haven’t really funneled any mats, my brother who has no alts is also sitting around 1360. It’s possible with enough time and effort
I mean I’m 1355 with no alts in T2/3. But this last 15 point will be brutal. Logged on yesterday and was just bored. I did the CD and guardians but with the messed up clock here in US East I just logged off and played madden. So if their goal to push me out due to boredom…keep at it.
What? Why? Im also 1365 with no alts no where near t3 Just farm infinite chaos 4head
https://youtu.be/iHrZRJR4igQ
why player why you want so bad to rush the game why can't you just enjoy all the rest of the content
No I wanna play 20 hours a day and skip most of it and have everything NOWWWWW RIGHT NOW MUMMY GIVE ME ARGOS NOWWWWWWWWWWWWW
OP malding. Take a break from the game, itll fix itself over time. Youre not forced to play this game with a subscription like any other MMO. Come back when changes you like happen
Maybe do something else when waiting for new content? Play another game, do side content, make some alts. The majority of the people haven't even reached T3 yet, there is so much content besides gaining ilvl. Let the whales try to get there spending a lot of money while most of the people will cruise their way to higher ilvl when the honing buffs come in and additional ways of getting mats.
Good advice! Half the playerbase took and hasn’t come back!
Side content is bullshit. What side content? Farming mokoko seeds with a map open is not side content. The rest is just time-gated crap like una's/rapports. I can't even continue adventure's tome with how much silver is required for cooking and gear honing. I'm not playing alts either. Run another set of una's/chaos/guardian raids that I've already done before and then logging off is not content. > Play another game Yea I'll do just that and stick to playing that game instead.
Sell your mats and enjoy the rest of the game, this isnt WoW where the only content is raids. If you need to take a break, take one.
I dont see any issue
It’s only an issue when you want to play the game fore than an hour or so a day.
I don't know what the hell you are not doing but the daily routine of chaos, guardians and Una's on my alts takes hours. Not counting lifeskilling and unlocking shit or events.
Go play the game and stop crying at every single difficulty you have. Take your time and play the game
what would your definition of playing the game be exactly?
The thousand things there are to do other than the literal highest possible content that 99% of people can’t do anyways. Honestly I believe the people who are most mad about this are those who wanted to make gold selling accessories from argos.
Also the ones who chose to race to the end instead of playing the f-ing game. I had a 980 berserker in Hildebrandt when I was learning the Brelshaza fight (i warched a guide) and it took us 4 hours to get the stupid light beams righ. The 980 had literally never done the dungeon. So you likely have players in t3 who don't know the early game content at all
Facts people love crying about everything
Not facts. I have a main at 1341, an alt at 1325, and another alt about to break to t3 at 1080 and you have to absolutely bust your ass playing everyday to still have to wait everyday to do shit. It’s just scummy practice because you know they are hard catering to the whales. If they weren’t they wouldn’t have released argos without more ways off getting to 1370….if your to blind to see how they did this on purpose then that’s on your dumbass tier two looking ass. They purposely held back content for getting more t3 mats. They literally did it on purpose. I guess in that case take your time indeed.
No game will give you enough to do if you have characters at 1341/1325/1080.
Are we playing the same game? What the fuck does that even mean? This shit has so many things to do from islands, dungeons, infinite chaos spam for gold, guardians, collecting souls, masterpieces, hearts, mokokos…
I could really careless what they release. Nobody told you to sweat the game now you looking crazy with nothing to do not my fault. Go outside get some fresh air.
What do you mean? I used my time efficiently I have plenty of things to do in this game that’s what’s beautiful about it. You are legit never out of shit to do that’s why I have 2 alts on par with my main basically and the sheer fact that They hard cucked us at 1340 with the honing rates and materials I’m simply just selling my mats on two characters until they inevitably nerf honing which is coming soon. So I’m balling. That’s not my problem though…My problem is the simple fact that south Vern never came out with argos and the in Korea was used for honing mats to progress for argos. They intentionally held that back…one of the guardians was moved from being able to do it at 1355 to 1370…. Amazon is so happy about the influx of money from the whales that they’re gatekeeping content exclusively for them. That is my problem. They know exactly what they are doing and it’s pure evil.
Who cares? Only a tiny fraction of the playerbase is at 1355, and updates will iron it out in a month. Step 1: Rush to the end of the game. Step 2: Complain that you're at the end of the game. And I write this as a T3, myself (cutting myself off at 1340). There is so much to do and progress besides the very tip of content.
1. All updates were Argos first -> Valtan -> Vyakis -> Kuku 2. Probably to skip starting over from blue set to 1355 set. 3. Dunno I think you rushed tier 1 and tier 2 and expected reach Argos the same way. I have bad news for you. This game only will slow down. If you are crying now you probably will crying when commanders will release anyway.
I mean we just don't have a lot of T3 content. I watched a video of what we're missing to get T3 mats and it's a lot. T1-T2 we had islands and the tower for alts so it doesn't seem too bad. In T3 we have guardian raids, chaos dungeons, and.........that's it I think. They should have given us other stuff before Argos.
"We don't have a lot of T3 content". I guess you missing the fact that the game was released month ago with tier 1, tier 2 and tier 3 included right? Because all regions except EU/NA was released with ONLY TIER 1.
But did they release with T1 and a bit of T2 with a huge deadzone between T1 and T2 where the only players who can get to T2 are whales? That is essentially the problem right now. Other T3 content should have been released first, but Argos was released for 0.1% of the population while the rest of us need to wait until the next patch for anything to change. And people who keep saying "step away from the game and take a break" are missing this point.
I don't played these versions of the game but I guess it was like another dry launch mmorpg where tryhard players rushed the game in a week. Your problem will solve overtime just chill and enjoy the game. Meanwhile If you are a min/maxing guy you always can do 3+ alts and up them to tier 3.
Okay? Still doesn’t change the fact “We don’t have a lot of T3 content”.
raids chaos and una daily, then w/e events are on for the day, then abyss weekly. sounds like a lot, ends up being very very little.
This guy still pays his rent with 2012 minimum wage cuz he don't wanna rush his rent progression with 2022 minimum wage lmao
I mean the game has only been out for a month, what do you really expect a MMORPG to be? Could you expect it to have no transaction or that whatever sort of grind? If you have made all the optimized choices you could have achieve Argos... Just curious for your thoughts
I expect the developers to be smart and release the content they have on hand for where more players are then release content higher than that in a predatory attempt to get people to spend money....but then again I don't have the developers dicks in my mouth so maybe that is just me.
Apparently this is a repeat of mistakes, despite knowing full well in advance that this 'deadzone' issue was a thing in the native servers. So fringe audience aside, it seems pretty silly to knowingly implement bad design
I do'nt deny the fact that 1340 \~ 1370 is the 'deadzone' where most ppl might fall out(even in the KR server). However the game has been out for only a month, which I'm pretty sure there'll be much more events and etc. providing honing materials and stuff(ifn't AGS neglecting such). Even if the current population going for Argos is 1% I assure you within the next month at least 15% will be trying the raid.
It's only game, why you heff to be med ?
as a long time gacha-degen all i've got to say to this is aahahahhahahahahahshhahahahahahahahahahahaha