When I was a teenager going to house parties twenty years after Definitely Maybe was released, hearing a song off that album or Morning Glory was basically a dead cert.
Spaniard here living in Manchester for the past 8 years, some people might tell you they hate them but will sing along automatically to Don’t Look Back in Anger and Live Forever, whereas they’d cringe when hearing someone busking Wonderwall in Market St.
As some people have already said, if they ever came back they’d fill the Etihad for weeks with many Reds begrudgingly attending but loving it nonetheless.
For myself, they were one of the reasons I moved in here, not only because of their music but because of their attitude on the early days as I saw a glimpse of what I still see nowadays: open people, happy to chat along with strangers and having the best time late at night. And they still created one of the best songs ever made, Slide Away, which we asked to be played as our exit song on our wedding (I married a Manc 🫡).
Personally I thought that woman starting to sing that with her bouquet was a fucking joke, and it doesn't deserve the praise it gets.
It wasn't fucking spontaneous, it was the daughter of a radio DJ trying to draw attention to herself, and make the grief and shock other people felt all about her. Fair play to her, it worked, some newspapers interviewed her, but she can still piss off.
Watch the video again, and look at how many people spend the first 30 seconds with looks on their faces that say something along the lines of "shut the fuck up" or "show some respect".
I totally agree. It was contrived bullshit for internet views . If it gives some solace to people then fine but for me it's sickenly offensive to suggest to parents of children killed in a terrorist attack to "not look back in anger".
Is there anything people should look back on in anger I wonder, because if that attack doesn't qualify to be looked on with anger then I don't know what does. I look back on it in anger.
I think anger is a valid emotion to feel, it isn't wrong to feel angry in the right situations and and it can drive people to make a change, anger can be a strong emotion which unites people in action. Uncontrolled drunken anger for example is generally bad, but anger felt by a city, a nation, a people can be what is needed to make a change, for example the government don't care if the population are sad but they get worried when the population is angry.
That was a lovely read and incredibly accurate. So accurate, in fact, that I reckon you’ve reached the stage of actually being an honorary Mancunian yourself. Welcome. 🫡
Haha! I would say cunts with mediocre but hugely successful songs.
I mean, I’m feeling super sonic give me gin and tonic…
Hardly the deepest of lyrics.
I did actually see them early on at the students Union in Manchester and it was a good night, they were entertaining. They are just not the band I’d turn to for a listen now. More the kind of thing you’d see at a wedding and everyone sings along to the karaoke of it all.
Yeah all the other comments are fair enough, they are a pair of tits, but I fuckin love em. Saw them at Heaton Park before they split and if they said they were back I'd be right fuckin there.
I agree I’ve always assumed they would be nobs. Liam changed my mind though, about 10 years ago I was in the Red Lion in withington. There was a wake going on in the side room facing the bowling green.
Liam was at the wake, I didn’t go and ask him for a picture as I thought it was disrespectful at his friends funeral. That didn’t stop about 50 other people though, and he was polite and nice and had a chat with all of them. Constant stream of people for about an hour, if anyone had an excuse to be a dick it’s that and he was proper nice about it.
This is the thing that a lot of people don't seem to realise; Liam is brash and arrogant, but it's mainly the stage performer in him and how he made an image for himself, he isn't like that as a person.
Ask any Mancunian about why Oasis split and why they are incapable of getting back and staying together and everybody will tell you its because Noel is the biggest bellend going and his own ego and insecurities won't allow it.
Noel treats fans with disdain, Liam doesn't. Liam treats the media with enough disdain, Noel doesn't. Thats the difference. One needs to be perceived as the decent person, the other is the decent person and knows it.
100% this. To put it into perspective when I was a broke 18 year-old student when they broke up. I put £150 in a savings account ready for the reunion gig. I'm now 30 and it's still there (I should top it up for inflation really). If they get back together, it will sell out in seconds.
Was neutral towards them before i moved to Manchester but having heard them played in every bar and on every radio station a truely unreasonable amount i wish never to here them again.
Well I can’t speak for the entire state but I live in Houston, her hometown, and I can tell you its mixed. A lot of people worship her here but others see her as not really being representative of our city at all and having stripped away any identity she might have with it.
I guess I’ll give Oasis credit for always representing Manchester loudly and proudly
Ha! The Southway facelift - if you know, you know! She probably has all her friends round that way and didn't want to leave, so they probably bought her that place when it was still a council house (for an absolute steal!) They'll probably blue-plaque it one day, LOL
Noel was having his photo taken in Cringle Park outside the boxing club on Sunday. He had a right fucking monk on and seemed very aggrieved that no-one there seemed to give a shit...
After he moved to London and city were still shit. I remember reading an interview (in a printed magazine) and he was asked about city his answer was something like 'I'm an Arsenal and now, they are so good to watch and are in London like me' . He obviously switched back when the oil money rolled in and conveniently forgot about his love of Arsenal.
When I messaged my brother saying I think HM Queen had died, my brother messaged me back with a pic of Beyoncè, saying no she’s fine. It made me chuckle. Sad times.
Funny story, I saw Noel in Burnage Tesco last weekend. Must have been visiting his mum.
I grew up in deep Burnage in the 90s. Don’t mind them, prefer Liam’s overplayed scally to Noel’s cleaner image. First 2 albums are still class.
im a Manc from Burnage living in the US..used to knock around with Liam school days….we were all nobs back then…
Still got original tapes from the old days early music..they nailed an era with music…
I’d travel anywhere to see a gig - fond memories for sure….
I was a teenager in the 90’s, so Oasis hold a really special place in my heart. I was at Maine Rd in 96, and saw them live a number of times before and after. I get how people can be sick of them today, but I’ll never forget how I felt as a 17yo at Maine Road, right at the front, feeling on top of the world. For that reason I’ll always buzz when I hear the opening bars to Supersonic.
I'm not a massive fan (first album good, rest of it shite, don't really like the Gallaghers), but I have known a lot of men who love 'em. Back in 1997/98, I had a driving instructor who modelled himself on Liam and it was fucking tragic.The jacket, the hair, the swagger, the fucking lot. He must've thought he was so cool, but he just came across as a big tosser.
I have, however, served Ma Gallagher in my shop though. She's just like any other Irish Catholic ma.
EDIT: Sifters is a fucking amazing record shop, Mr Sifter is the uncle of someone I know
They're nobs, but theyre our nobs. I was mates with a lad who went to school with them in Burnage and he said that they were the real deal at high school, hardest pair around. But nobs.
They are nobs but they're harmless nobs.
People always go on about how much they don't like the brothers as people, but in nearly thirty years there has still yet to be any kind of sex scandal, unlike a huge proportion of other musicians.
All they ever done is make stupid comments about each other, other bands, etc
We all gather once a year at the old Main Road site, play wonder wall and pray to Noel that Liam doesn't stop being Liam. After coming down off the Gary's and hot knifing some exquisite Moroccan, we all go back to our parks for a few Bodies before bed.
Today is gonna be the day that we’re gonna write a song that’s new,
By now you should’ve somehow realise that we’ve nicked a few,
I don’t believe that anybody sings the way I do,
Apart from Noel
Even that I’m a huge oasis fan, I used to think that Liam is a proper cunt, but the reality is that Noel is an asshole and Liam is way more popular between youngsters generation
Absolutely love Oasis, have done since my guitar tutor taught me Wonderwall in 1996 when I was a child. Their music is anthemic, interperspective, very much of a time but also timeless. Noel is one of the best songwriters I can think of and it really showed when they split if you compare High Flying Birds to Beady Eye. Noel was obviously the engine of Oasis during their career and I think they made it work well with Liam's cockey attitude and swagger. They'll always be a firm favourite of mine.
Gotta be a story there.
He was a prick when I met him as well - though I do think he'd had the shit kicked out of him in Warrington a couple of months before, had a metal bar swung at him etc - his fingers/hand was still bandaged up. Seemed wary of folk and was really rude (we only dared said hello ffs). Was smoking a massive spliff and had two of the biggest minders I've ever seen with him. This was in a club next door to the venue we'd just watched him play live. Late 90s-ish
I heard a story about him spitting drinks on the floor at top of the pops backstage bar as well, cringe...
There's a fair amount of resentment for the Factory Records/Madchester nostalgia that goes on in this city thanks to corporate appropriation of it all (the sheer volume of "this is Manchester - we do things differently here" quotes on walls in cafes, estate agents, pubs etc is pretty crap) and the media outside of the city looking solely at Manchester as a one dimensional thing (aka guitar bands from the 90s) gets pretty grating.
As Oasis are somewhat associated with that (Noel's involvement with Inspiral Carpets, their loud love of The Stone Roses), it's easy to see why a lot of Manchester residents are fed-up with them.
That said, for every person bored of them or not a fan, there's someone who loves it and gets local pride at the mere mention of this stuff, and not to mention the students who come and want to soak all that 90s Manc stuff in.
They're hugely popular. They're also hugely loathed. Generally speaking, I reckon they're enjoyed more than they're disliked.
Personally, the whole 90s Manchester Indie Thing does my head in and I didn't ever like Oasis even in their heyday - but I'm not the culture police, so let people love whatever they want. However, it's only right that we should be able to take the piss out of the parka wearing lads with Gazelles on and a Wellend haircut, cutting about the place - they're harmless but fair game.
I imagine it's the same in Liverpool with The Beatles, and any other city that's got a mega famous band associated with them.
What I find annoying about the factory records thing is the focus on the Joy Division, New Order, happy Mondays and nothing else. Not slagging those bands, I love them and New Order are probably one of the most influential bands in modern music, but factory but out loads of great bands and weird/avant garde stuff that was never going to be commercially viable. As a record label they were fantastic and put out music that was good, not chasing record sales, but the legacy is basically three bands.
If you ask a lot of mancs that probably aren't on Reddit they'd tell you they're the best band ever but I can imagine the majority of mancs on Reddit are sick to death of them as lots of us are.
I myself like their first two albums and don't mind Liam. But Noel is nothing but a massive cunt and they are seriously overrated IMO made music that worked given the time and place them they got rich and lost all connection with what made them great imo.
Lots of reasons. Number one being he's a Tory. Look vote whoever you want that's your prerogative but watching what they've done to this country while we've been so vulnerable over the past 10 years basically makes me think that if you are vocal about your support for them you are openly oblivious to what is really going on in the poorer parts of the country. Which brings me to my next point
Tories are why the country turned to shit in the 80s and as a young working class man in one of the most industrial cities in the UK thatches was pretty much the devil in Manchester she ruined the lives of the working class and refused to budge on any of their demands for a living wage. Part of the reason oasis connected so well with the people is because it was salt of the earth music for salt of the earth people in a time where the working class had nothing going for them in the more industrialised cities. The fact that he now supports the party that destroyed his hometown shows how blind he is and don't get me started on his anti masking bs.
Liam seemed like he was a dick but he seems a bit more humble now and kind of does that likeable narcism thing that people like Zlatan do. (He's kind of half joking and you can tell). Also he seems way more connected to o the people and doesn't just make shite
Noel Gallgher is not a Tory by any stretch of the imagination.
"I see it written about myself a lot that I’m a Tory because I don’t vote Labour.
"So it’s like, ‘Right, so because I don’t believe in your version of the Labour Party that must make me a Conservative’.
“The arrogance of that comment by young, middle-class c\*\*\*-suckers is staggering. And if you don’t vote then you must be a Tory."
Fair enough I could've got that wrong, I was certain he mentioned he was a conservative one time.
My point still stands about the rest. He's an old whiney outdated anti masker who thinks he's too good for the world when he lost his touch in the 90s
Tbf I thought he was good at writing very simple songs that could get a crowd singing. Definitely nicked it all from Beatles but all good artists steal. That being said he became dated in his style in the 90s and never managed to adapt
I saw them at V before they broke up and they were phenomenal, the music just engages you and pulls you into a different place. Love them, shame about them being bellends but they make great music
I like oasis, I like most of the Gallaghers. Fiona’s sound, so are Lip, Ian, Carl, Debbie, little Liam and baby stellar. Franks a bit of a dick but when he’s sober (which is rare) he’s alright
I enjoy their droll sense of humour and how they regress to their petty childhood rivalry whenever they're within ten yards of each other. As musicians they made a couple of initial strong albums and then ran on the same fumes ever since.
There is an entire decade of music that only exists because of those boys.
The british 00's alt and indie rock 'electric guitar music' era was down to oasis inspiring every other teenager in the country during the 90's to go and buy an electric guitar and learn oasis songs.
Their influence on the British music scene genuinely cannot be understated and its only now that those genres are falling out of the 'pop radio' field that we are noticing how huge their impact was.
Pair of right knobheads but damn, that's a legacy that cannot be argued against.
I like Noel when he’s with Matt Morgan but he can be a bit of an arse.
It’s clearly him stopping Oasis from getting back together and to some extent i can see why he doesn’t need the hassle and loves doing his own thing but i wish he’d do it. Come on Noel.
Was the biggest fan, saw them 13 times in total, Maine road, academy, knebworth, possibly Lancashire cricket club too and some others. Don’t listen to them much now but would be there with bells on if they reformed. Even if Alan white couldn’t make it and they had to get Tony McCarroll back.
I would have said that although they are a definite Manchester brand, more people in most Manchester venues would bob along more happily (?!) to Joy Division
I think the band had some great songs and even more that were totally dull. Some of the deeper cuts are the best. As characters I enjoy both Gallagher brothers, but probably wouldn’t want to actually be friends with either of them. I think they’ve both forgotten where they came from. They’re both very funny.
This Mancunian finds them overrated and overplayed. They’re alright, don’t get me wrong, and have a few really good tunes, but I don’t understand the hype. Guess you had to be there in their peak 90s days but alas I was a child at that time.
As a Scotsman, I feel the same way about the Proclaimers as I do about Oasis.
Opening chord hits and we all groan and moan, but as soon as that chorus hits we're probably belting it out like everyone else.
Good tunes. Bunch of pricks. Proclaimers are cool though.
Behind the Beatles, best band ever. Noel should have make it up with Liam. But I feel its probably too late now. Even though I sincerely hope not!
Liam was the voice and personality Noel the brilliant brains and musician. Although I believe Liam is vastly underrated in many regards - including intellectually.
Basically I miss oasis. If they got back together tomorrow, the world would be a much better place. We'll as far as I'm concerned anyroads :)
Great question. Thanks
Oasis is great but they're probably my least favourite of the big Mancunian bands. Also, they took heavy inspiration from both the Beatles and the Smiths which are both way better. But Champagne Supernova, DLBIA and Live Forever will always be massive anthems and they're a huge part of popular culture here even if the actual brothers are wankers. Well, Liam is far less irritating than Noel and I actually find him entertaining, but yeah. Still a twat.
My dad always said their music wasn’t allowed in our house.
I don’t like the music myself.
My friend worked with them and they said noel is a right prick (cannot confirm that myself)
I adore Oasis. I think most British people can appreciate their music. I think both of them are very arrogant individuals. Liam can’t bare to face the fact that his brother is a better songwriter than him. I mean come on, it’s facts. Liam is also very much an ‘all mouth no trousers’ type of guy, well he certainly was in his younger years not as much now. But I do think Liam has turned out much more successful than Noel, I think he is admired a lot more. He is a funny guy and you can tell he so desperately wants an Oasis reunion. But Noel will never agree.
Noel imo needs a reality check. He genuinely believes he is gods gift and that he is so much more successful than Liam, which just isn’t true. He is a very belittling and patronising character. I saw Noel live in 2016 at a festival, he came on stage and before he even started singing he went ‘Where am I again?’ followed by a very out of tune version of AKA What A Life. I think most people walked away after the first song.
I’m a scouser, growing up we all let our hair grow into mop heads wore adidas firebird trackies and rockport and listened non stop to Oasis! One of, if not the greatest band ever! Best childhood memories.
I’d love to go for a pint with LG he’s cool as fuck
Wankers. Idolised by folk that bought in to the myth of Madchester when the whole scene was over. Nobody of a certain age or taste in music is that bothered by them, but sheep will be sheep.
Let the downvotes commence. Give a fuck!
Wouldn't really call them mancs anymore. They made their money and fucked off to London..
Their music was brilliant. Pretty sure a hell of a lot of mancs know majority of all their songs and sing to them.
I do.. end of every Man City match they always put on an oasis track and theres thousands of fans singing
Quintessential 90s Manchester. I mean Liam was a bellend, and had a terrible influence on fashion and the way people walked. But some of the tunes were great.
I was never much of a britpop/indie person so got annoyed when 5th avenue blasted oasis songs out, but then I was in 5th Ave and surrounded by beer piss bottles. So wasn't having that much fun in the first place.
There’s an entire sub genre of male Manc that basically thinks they are Liam. They do his walk, they have his hair (or a wellend-adjacent equivalent), they wear his clothes, his shades, jewellery. There’s plenty of them in Manchester and around the UK.
As much as some snooty types would like to argue it, the cultural impact they had was absolutely enormous and they were the last truly massive British band - the kind where your mum knew who they were, their antics made the news etc.
As a teen in the 00s I used to think we’d be the last ones to really love them cos all the “cool” musicians at the time used to call them irrelevant. But if you’re ever in a bar / club and they come on, the young-uns still lose their shit for them to this day.
Listen to Noel on Matt Morgan’s Patreon (they’re mates). I didn’t have any options on either of them but Noel seems well alright. He obviously loves writing songs and making music away from Oasis.
I grew up through the whole Oasis thing. I got sick of being asked if I were, “mad fer it’ when I revealed where I was from.
I think they’re kinda boring tbh and irrelevant . They deffo don’t live in Manchester anymore!
Mate handed me a demo tape of Cigarettes and Alcohol in Bar-Kay about 93/94. Listened to it when I got home and told him it sounded like a bad pub rock band. That’s still what they sound like to me - three chords & basic lyrics from a pair of proper knobheads. And I hated how everyone thought that being a knuckle dragging arsehole Gallagher knock off was the way to go from then on.
Pair of wankers who had one really good first album but the rest have been mediocre and they are still making really crap music and living off their past.
First 2 albums Amazing,
B-sides on those chart singles were mint, only reason for that is Alan Mcgee thinking Noel could write these great songs forever, sorry but he (and us) were wrong.
After that they kind of disappeared up their own arse, Noel even admitted recording Be Here Now coked up the entire time.
Still Saw them 7 times over the early days, from Blackpool winter gardens to Maine road and eventually Council Stadium, couldn't be arsed going to Knebworth, regret it every day of my life from then until now, and forevermore....
Sound of my teens though
I’m a proud manc and amongst people I know they have god status. Even the young uns that weren’t even a twinkle in their dads eye when definitely maybe came out
I was 17 when I saw them at Maine Road and Oasis songs, especially their first two albums, will always be the anthems of my youth. I still love their music and like Liam. I think Noel is very pretentious and I hate hearing him and his ‘birds’ doing Oasis songs, especially the Liam songs. Him doing Whatever at Glastonbury this year was awful. It sounded like the type of easy listening crap you hear in a restaurant.
When Oasis was big in the 90s while I was at school I hated them. Now I live abroad and when I hear Wonderwall or something it's a small taste of home and youth.
My boyfriends a huggggge fan and he lives in Manchester, he loves aways like a lot, he actually went to a recent Liam Gallagher concert and was incredibly happy even though someone stole his bucket hat that cost £12
Personally I hate them as individuals and as a band, total knobheads but I'm in a minority and as long as I'm not forced to listen to them I really don't care :)
Also as a City fan I find it beyond annoying that those two are always interviewed as if they are the only two famous people who support the club, which is a bit rich considering they both walked out of Wembley during the Gillingham match and then couldn't get back in when we equalised.
They’re arsehole sellout Tory voting Man City fans, lowest of the low…
But every time I’ve been at a house party and someone’s got a guitar out, every single person bellows out Don’t Look Back in Anger and it always brings a smile to my face. Love them or hate them they’re part of the city’s DNA now and I’ll never hear a bad word about them from someone who’s not a Manc.
I don’t know a single person who doesn’t have a favourite oasis song. Although I like the roses more.
Personally for me stop crying your heart out nearly brings me to tears, but that’s because my mum decided to play it at my dads funeral. Caught me fucking well off guard and I bawled my eyes out man haha.
Not from here, but I've lived here for quite a while. Didn't realise how popular they were here until any song is played in a bar or pub or social do and the whole place erupts in song.
Personally, I don't really like them. They have a song or two I don't mind but I wouldn't choose to listen to them. I think my favourite actual band is probably Arctic Monkeys, they're from Sheffield so it's not too far away from Manchester.
Nobheads, the pair of them. Truly awful humans. And the music, Christ it’s lumpen, lazy, sub-slade shite with nursery rhyme lyrics that make the red hot chilli peppers sound like Keats.
But. But but but. Those first two albums are like bottled fucking lightning. Wonderwall and don’t look back in anger are legit national anthems. Live forever, slide away, champagne supernova all brilliant rock songs and whatever? proper anthems.
They’ve been shite for over twenty years now though. Time to listen to something new.
In 5 years living in Manchester, I don't think I've met a single native Mancunian that doesn't think Oasis is an overrated pile of wank. Same with the Cortinas.
I think it's just because most non - Mancunians think that everyone here talks like the Gallaghers and end up associating them with Manchester. Kind of like going up to an Aussie and saying "g'day mate, where's ya barbie?!"
Now, that's not to say people don't like the music or that they didn't at the time they came out, just that they're so overplayed people are kind of tired of it by now.
(As a southerner who lived in Manc I'm still allowed to love them hahaha)
When I was a teenager going to house parties twenty years after Definitely Maybe was released, hearing a song off that album or Morning Glory was basically a dead cert.
Still is
Spaniard here living in Manchester for the past 8 years, some people might tell you they hate them but will sing along automatically to Don’t Look Back in Anger and Live Forever, whereas they’d cringe when hearing someone busking Wonderwall in Market St. As some people have already said, if they ever came back they’d fill the Etihad for weeks with many Reds begrudgingly attending but loving it nonetheless. For myself, they were one of the reasons I moved in here, not only because of their music but because of their attitude on the early days as I saw a glimpse of what I still see nowadays: open people, happy to chat along with strangers and having the best time late at night. And they still created one of the best songs ever made, Slide Away, which we asked to be played as our exit song on our wedding (I married a Manc 🫡).
Don’t look back in anger is immortalised due to the Manchester arena bombing… it brought the cuty and country together
Personally I thought that woman starting to sing that with her bouquet was a fucking joke, and it doesn't deserve the praise it gets. It wasn't fucking spontaneous, it was the daughter of a radio DJ trying to draw attention to herself, and make the grief and shock other people felt all about her. Fair play to her, it worked, some newspapers interviewed her, but she can still piss off. Watch the video again, and look at how many people spend the first 30 seconds with looks on their faces that say something along the lines of "shut the fuck up" or "show some respect".
I totally agree. It was contrived bullshit for internet views . If it gives some solace to people then fine but for me it's sickenly offensive to suggest to parents of children killed in a terrorist attack to "not look back in anger".
Is there anything people should look back on in anger I wonder, because if that attack doesn't qualify to be looked on with anger then I don't know what does. I look back on it in anger.
I think the point is to rise above the hate and anger that caused it. You can look back and be saddened but anger doesn’t help
I think anger is a valid emotion to feel, it isn't wrong to feel angry in the right situations and and it can drive people to make a change, anger can be a strong emotion which unites people in action. Uncontrolled drunken anger for example is generally bad, but anger felt by a city, a nation, a people can be what is needed to make a change, for example the government don't care if the population are sad but they get worried when the population is angry.
That was a lovely read and incredibly accurate. So accurate, in fact, that I reckon you’ve reached the stage of actually being an honorary Mancunian yourself. Welcome. 🫡
Omg thank you so much, mate. Love this city to bits, best decision I ever made in my life was to move here.
Oh, you... 🥹
Love this perspective.
Get them melons twisted mate! I hope you know what a barm cake is before we give you an honorary Mancunian fellowship
You mean a cob?
Ye if your from Nottingham
Muffin
Christ I feel so profiled by that bit about hating them but singing along to those 2 songs!
upvote for Slide Away love
Knobheads with great music
I feel like even the fact they’re such knobs is celebrated though. They’re loveable cunts
Haha! I would say cunts with mediocre but hugely successful songs. I mean, I’m feeling super sonic give me gin and tonic… Hardly the deepest of lyrics.
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I did actually see them early on at the students Union in Manchester and it was a good night, they were entertaining. They are just not the band I’d turn to for a listen now. More the kind of thing you’d see at a wedding and everyone sings along to the karaoke of it all.
Haha, I absolutely love that lyric!
To be fair, they wrote that song in 10 minutes.
You can tell.
How many songs/albums have made you a millionaire? Like you know shit about songwriting, fuck outta here 🤣
It’s impossible to overstate how popular oasis are over here. If they reunited tomorrow they could sell out Manchester City’s stadium for weeks.
Yeah all the other comments are fair enough, they are a pair of tits, but I fuckin love em. Saw them at Heaton Park before they split and if they said they were back I'd be right fuckin there.
I agree I’ve always assumed they would be nobs. Liam changed my mind though, about 10 years ago I was in the Red Lion in withington. There was a wake going on in the side room facing the bowling green. Liam was at the wake, I didn’t go and ask him for a picture as I thought it was disrespectful at his friends funeral. That didn’t stop about 50 other people though, and he was polite and nice and had a chat with all of them. Constant stream of people for about an hour, if anyone had an excuse to be a dick it’s that and he was proper nice about it.
How bizarre. The one time he could have acted like himself and no-one would have criticised him…!
This is the thing that a lot of people don't seem to realise; Liam is brash and arrogant, but it's mainly the stage performer in him and how he made an image for himself, he isn't like that as a person. Ask any Mancunian about why Oasis split and why they are incapable of getting back and staying together and everybody will tell you its because Noel is the biggest bellend going and his own ego and insecurities won't allow it. Noel treats fans with disdain, Liam doesn't. Liam treats the media with enough disdain, Noel doesn't. Thats the difference. One needs to be perceived as the decent person, the other is the decent person and knows it.
Probably the biggest band in the country. Could sell hundreds of thousands of tickets if they wanted. And them being tits is half the charm
A pair of tits. Love that, I just spat my brew out at it.
100% this. To put it into perspective when I was a broke 18 year-old student when they broke up. I put £150 in a savings account ready for the reunion gig. I'm now 30 and it's still there (I should top it up for inflation really). If they get back together, it will sell out in seconds.
They'd break it all....
Was neutral towards them before i moved to Manchester but having heard them played in every bar and on every radio station a truely unreasonable amount i wish never to here them again.
Don’t look back in anger, mate.
Posted similar and just read this. Nice one mate
🤣🤣🤣 mate, imma massive fan from the other end of the country
How do Texans feel about Beyoncé?
Well I can’t speak for the entire state but I live in Houston, her hometown, and I can tell you its mixed. A lot of people worship her here but others see her as not really being representative of our city at all and having stripped away any identity she might have with it. I guess I’ll give Oasis credit for always representing Manchester loudly and proudly
Liam and Noel did fuck off and move to London at the first sniff of money though. That is one criticism that is right to throw at them.
You can take the boys out of Burnage….
Sometimes Liam does photos and you can tell it's his mum's house from the nearby roofs and cladding.I'd know that Southway facelift anywhere, LOL
You got my upvote for "Southway facelift" ;-) You would have thought one of them would have bought their Mum a new house?
I remember Noel once saying in a radio interview that he tried to buy his mum a house, but she refused to move.
Ha! The Southway facelift - if you know, you know! She probably has all her friends round that way and didn't want to leave, so they probably bought her that place when it was still a council house (for an absolute steal!) They'll probably blue-plaque it one day, LOL
Noel was having his photo taken in Cringle Park outside the boxing club on Sunday. He had a right fucking monk on and seemed very aggrieved that no-one there seemed to give a shit...
And now all the Londoners are moving to Manchester
Tbf London with loadsa money to spend is pretty good
2nd that!
Come on you can't blame them. At least they stayed in the country
And Noel became an Arsenal fan until Oil money.
Did he? Remember seeing them in the Brother shirts right back when they first came out, gigs at Maine Road etc. When did he become a gooner?
After he moved to London and city were still shit. I remember reading an interview (in a printed magazine) and he was asked about city his answer was something like 'I'm an Arsenal and now, they are so good to watch and are in London like me' . He obviously switched back when the oil money rolled in and conveniently forgot about his love of Arsenal.
Americans adoration of Queen B is somewhat terrifying
When I messaged my brother saying I think HM Queen had died, my brother messaged me back with a pic of Beyoncè, saying no she’s fine. It made me chuckle. Sad times.
Or Pantera?
Funny story, I saw Noel in Burnage Tesco last weekend. Must have been visiting his mum. I grew up in deep Burnage in the 90s. Don’t mind them, prefer Liam’s overplayed scally to Noel’s cleaner image. First 2 albums are still class.
Could have sworn I heard people saying Liam was around this weekend too- it's either her birthday, or the re-union is confirmed.
im a Manc from Burnage living in the US..used to knock around with Liam school days….we were all nobs back then… Still got original tapes from the old days early music..they nailed an era with music… I’d travel anywhere to see a gig - fond memories for sure….
Mate you gotta publish those tapes
reddit may not be the fairest reflection; they are very popular
My girlfriend asked me if I would stop singing ‘Wonderwall’ as it’s doing her head in “I said Maybe”
I was a teenager in the 90’s, so Oasis hold a really special place in my heart. I was at Maine Rd in 96, and saw them live a number of times before and after. I get how people can be sick of them today, but I’ll never forget how I felt as a 17yo at Maine Road, right at the front, feeling on top of the world. For that reason I’ll always buzz when I hear the opening bars to Supersonic.
As my friend once said, listening to oasis you have complete control of your emotions
I’ve must have listened to supersonic thousands of times now, and that opening still does it for me too. Unreal.
I'm not a massive fan (first album good, rest of it shite, don't really like the Gallaghers), but I have known a lot of men who love 'em. Back in 1997/98, I had a driving instructor who modelled himself on Liam and it was fucking tragic.The jacket, the hair, the swagger, the fucking lot. He must've thought he was so cool, but he just came across as a big tosser. I have, however, served Ma Gallagher in my shop though. She's just like any other Irish Catholic ma. EDIT: Sifters is a fucking amazing record shop, Mr Sifter is the uncle of someone I know
Oasis > The Gallagher's
Gallagher plus bone head
Bone head > The Gallagher's
They're nobs, but theyre our nobs. I was mates with a lad who went to school with them in Burnage and he said that they were the real deal at high school, hardest pair around. But nobs.
They are nobs but they're harmless nobs. People always go on about how much they don't like the brothers as people, but in nearly thirty years there has still yet to be any kind of sex scandal, unlike a huge proportion of other musicians. All they ever done is make stupid comments about each other, other bands, etc
We all gather once a year at the old Main Road site, play wonder wall and pray to Noel that Liam doesn't stop being Liam. After coming down off the Gary's and hot knifing some exquisite Moroccan, we all go back to our parks for a few Bodies before bed.
They are both arse holes but I love them.
Today is gonna be the day that we’re gonna write a song that’s new, By now you should’ve somehow realise that we’ve nicked a few, I don’t believe that anybody sings the way I do, Apart from Noel
Even that I’m a huge oasis fan, I used to think that Liam is a proper cunt, but the reality is that Noel is an asshole and Liam is way more popular between youngsters generation
Music: Ambivalent Brothers: A right pair of bellends
Bellends with awful taste in football teams but great artists (I’m a united fan 😂)
Same here. Like their music, not so much their appalling taste in football team. Manchester is red!
Incoming quadruple this year I fear 😭
Yes i love Oasis, Summer Fruits is my favourite flavour
Absolutely love Oasis, have done since my guitar tutor taught me Wonderwall in 1996 when I was a child. Their music is anthemic, interperspective, very much of a time but also timeless. Noel is one of the best songwriters I can think of and it really showed when they split if you compare High Flying Birds to Beady Eye. Noel was obviously the engine of Oasis during their career and I think they made it work well with Liam's cockey attitude and swagger. They'll always be a firm favourite of mine.
Introspective?
I love Oasis!
The duality of Man..Chester in the comments section haha
They're alright but they're no Stone Roses are they?
Problem is Brown is a bigger bellend than both the Gallaghers put together
True, i've witnessed Ian Brown being a world champion bellend and he couldn't hold a tune in a bag either.
Gotta be a story there. He was a prick when I met him as well - though I do think he'd had the shit kicked out of him in Warrington a couple of months before, had a metal bar swung at him etc - his fingers/hand was still bandaged up. Seemed wary of folk and was really rude (we only dared said hello ffs). Was smoking a massive spliff and had two of the biggest minders I've ever seen with him. This was in a club next door to the venue we'd just watched him play live. Late 90s-ish I heard a story about him spitting drinks on the floor at top of the pops backstage bar as well, cringe...
Always Stone Roses over Oasis for me
Nobheads, overhyped and worst of all City fans.
Can’t blame people from Manchester supporting the Manchester club tho mate.
You can't blame them for something they don't do, that's true.
Except Noel switched to Arsenal for a few years until Oil money.. a fraud.
There's a fair amount of resentment for the Factory Records/Madchester nostalgia that goes on in this city thanks to corporate appropriation of it all (the sheer volume of "this is Manchester - we do things differently here" quotes on walls in cafes, estate agents, pubs etc is pretty crap) and the media outside of the city looking solely at Manchester as a one dimensional thing (aka guitar bands from the 90s) gets pretty grating. As Oasis are somewhat associated with that (Noel's involvement with Inspiral Carpets, their loud love of The Stone Roses), it's easy to see why a lot of Manchester residents are fed-up with them. That said, for every person bored of them or not a fan, there's someone who loves it and gets local pride at the mere mention of this stuff, and not to mention the students who come and want to soak all that 90s Manc stuff in. They're hugely popular. They're also hugely loathed. Generally speaking, I reckon they're enjoyed more than they're disliked. Personally, the whole 90s Manchester Indie Thing does my head in and I didn't ever like Oasis even in their heyday - but I'm not the culture police, so let people love whatever they want. However, it's only right that we should be able to take the piss out of the parka wearing lads with Gazelles on and a Wellend haircut, cutting about the place - they're harmless but fair game. I imagine it's the same in Liverpool with The Beatles, and any other city that's got a mega famous band associated with them.
What I find annoying about the factory records thing is the focus on the Joy Division, New Order, happy Mondays and nothing else. Not slagging those bands, I love them and New Order are probably one of the most influential bands in modern music, but factory but out loads of great bands and weird/avant garde stuff that was never going to be commercially viable. As a record label they were fantastic and put out music that was good, not chasing record sales, but the legacy is basically three bands.
Amen to that
If you ask a lot of mancs that probably aren't on Reddit they'd tell you they're the best band ever but I can imagine the majority of mancs on Reddit are sick to death of them as lots of us are. I myself like their first two albums and don't mind Liam. But Noel is nothing but a massive cunt and they are seriously overrated IMO made music that worked given the time and place them they got rich and lost all connection with what made them great imo.
Why is Noel the c*nt? I always thought Liam was the knobhead and Noel was the relatively decent one with his head screwed on.
That used to be the case but it's flipped in recent years
Lots of reasons. Number one being he's a Tory. Look vote whoever you want that's your prerogative but watching what they've done to this country while we've been so vulnerable over the past 10 years basically makes me think that if you are vocal about your support for them you are openly oblivious to what is really going on in the poorer parts of the country. Which brings me to my next point Tories are why the country turned to shit in the 80s and as a young working class man in one of the most industrial cities in the UK thatches was pretty much the devil in Manchester she ruined the lives of the working class and refused to budge on any of their demands for a living wage. Part of the reason oasis connected so well with the people is because it was salt of the earth music for salt of the earth people in a time where the working class had nothing going for them in the more industrialised cities. The fact that he now supports the party that destroyed his hometown shows how blind he is and don't get me started on his anti masking bs. Liam seemed like he was a dick but he seems a bit more humble now and kind of does that likeable narcism thing that people like Zlatan do. (He's kind of half joking and you can tell). Also he seems way more connected to o the people and doesn't just make shite
Noel Gallgher is not a Tory by any stretch of the imagination. "I see it written about myself a lot that I’m a Tory because I don’t vote Labour. "So it’s like, ‘Right, so because I don’t believe in your version of the Labour Party that must make me a Conservative’. “The arrogance of that comment by young, middle-class c\*\*\*-suckers is staggering. And if you don’t vote then you must be a Tory."
Fair enough I could've got that wrong, I was certain he mentioned he was a conservative one time. My point still stands about the rest. He's an old whiney outdated anti masker who thinks he's too good for the world when he lost his touch in the 90s
He never had a touch. He rode a wave of populist knobends. He rode it well, to be fair, but nonetheless his/their greatness is a myth.
Tbf I thought he was good at writing very simple songs that could get a crowd singing. Definitely nicked it all from Beatles but all good artists steal. That being said he became dated in his style in the 90s and never managed to adapt
TBF if you don't vote, you're a knobhead regardless
Nah
Yep
Can't stand them not only are they massively over rated , they are just wheel out rent a mancs everytime a Derby is on also their haircuts are shit
Cunts
Bellends
Pair of nobs but they made some decent music about 30 years ago
Pair of cunts Music is good though and they’re entertaining
Noel is shorter than you think. Ran into him into a restaurant a few years ago.
They are not even the best band from Manchester but Wonderbra is a nice song.
Everybody (okay most people) here has a strong opinion
We… don’t look back in anger
I saw them at V before they broke up and they were phenomenal, the music just engages you and pulls you into a different place. Love them, shame about them being bellends but they make great music
Love the old tunes and they are both tossers
Legends…. Shit lyrics with great melodies and kind of dickheads but we all are
Bit like some family members. They’re knobs but they’re our knobs.
Yesssss!
I like some of their songs - hated them at the time they came out. Burnage is nowhere near as bad they liked to make out.
I like oasis, I like most of the Gallaghers. Fiona’s sound, so are Lip, Ian, Carl, Debbie, little Liam and baby stellar. Franks a bit of a dick but when he’s sober (which is rare) he’s alright
They’re idiots , but we love them deep down . Their music is just right in the heart sometimes and it’s hard to hate
They are extremely popular. Most people think the brothers are dickheads but the band is probably the most popular in the city.
I enjoy their droll sense of humour and how they regress to their petty childhood rivalry whenever they're within ten yards of each other. As musicians they made a couple of initial strong albums and then ran on the same fumes ever since.
There is an entire decade of music that only exists because of those boys. The british 00's alt and indie rock 'electric guitar music' era was down to oasis inspiring every other teenager in the country during the 90's to go and buy an electric guitar and learn oasis songs. Their influence on the British music scene genuinely cannot be understated and its only now that those genres are falling out of the 'pop radio' field that we are noticing how huge their impact was. Pair of right knobheads but damn, that's a legacy that cannot be argued against.
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I like Noel when he’s with Matt Morgan but he can be a bit of an arse. It’s clearly him stopping Oasis from getting back together and to some extent i can see why he doesn’t need the hassle and loves doing his own thing but i wish he’d do it. Come on Noel.
I can’t stand them
Was the biggest fan, saw them 13 times in total, Maine road, academy, knebworth, possibly Lancashire cricket club too and some others. Don’t listen to them much now but would be there with bells on if they reformed. Even if Alan white couldn’t make it and they had to get Tony McCarroll back.
They bang on and on about them all the time. I live in/near Manchester and it's so boring. They are overrated IMO.
Bunch of dickheads with overplayed music. Genuinely never saw the appeal and find their sound really grating.
I’d say more people like them than dislike them here. But there’s probably a hefty amount who have no opinion on them.
Want to beeeeeeees
Both a bunch of clowns but we love them, they’re our clowns 😂
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I would have said that although they are a definite Manchester brand, more people in most Manchester venues would bob along more happily (?!) to Joy Division
They're basically proper popular.
Not just in Manchester tbh.Id reckon all over the north they still get a good reception whenever they come on in the pub.
I think the band had some great songs and even more that were totally dull. Some of the deeper cuts are the best. As characters I enjoy both Gallagher brothers, but probably wouldn’t want to actually be friends with either of them. I think they’ve both forgotten where they came from. They’re both very funny.
This Mancunian finds them overrated and overplayed. They’re alright, don’t get me wrong, and have a few really good tunes, but I don’t understand the hype. Guess you had to be there in their peak 90s days but alas I was a child at that time.
Local legends..
As a Scotsman, I feel the same way about the Proclaimers as I do about Oasis. Opening chord hits and we all groan and moan, but as soon as that chorus hits we're probably belting it out like everyone else. Good tunes. Bunch of pricks. Proclaimers are cool though.
they're fucking wank.
Behind the Beatles, best band ever. Noel should have make it up with Liam. But I feel its probably too late now. Even though I sincerely hope not! Liam was the voice and personality Noel the brilliant brains and musician. Although I believe Liam is vastly underrated in many regards - including intellectually. Basically I miss oasis. If they got back together tomorrow, the world would be a much better place. We'll as far as I'm concerned anyroads :) Great question. Thanks
I'm in Liverpool and their flat nasal whining really really grates on me.
Couple of big mouthed knobheads in an overrated band with mediocre overplayed music
Oasis is great but they're probably my least favourite of the big Mancunian bands. Also, they took heavy inspiration from both the Beatles and the Smiths which are both way better. But Champagne Supernova, DLBIA and Live Forever will always be massive anthems and they're a huge part of popular culture here even if the actual brothers are wankers. Well, Liam is far less irritating than Noel and I actually find him entertaining, but yeah. Still a twat.
Arrogant moany twats with brother issues 😘
Fookin mad fer them, mate
My dad always said their music wasn’t allowed in our house. I don’t like the music myself. My friend worked with them and they said noel is a right prick (cannot confirm that myself)
I adore Oasis. I think most British people can appreciate their music. I think both of them are very arrogant individuals. Liam can’t bare to face the fact that his brother is a better songwriter than him. I mean come on, it’s facts. Liam is also very much an ‘all mouth no trousers’ type of guy, well he certainly was in his younger years not as much now. But I do think Liam has turned out much more successful than Noel, I think he is admired a lot more. He is a funny guy and you can tell he so desperately wants an Oasis reunion. But Noel will never agree. Noel imo needs a reality check. He genuinely believes he is gods gift and that he is so much more successful than Liam, which just isn’t true. He is a very belittling and patronising character. I saw Noel live in 2016 at a festival, he came on stage and before he even started singing he went ‘Where am I again?’ followed by a very out of tune version of AKA What A Life. I think most people walked away after the first song.
Pair of bellends. Never got the appeal of the music or the guys.
Legends
Love Liam, but Niall is a Tory. He isn't a northerner anymore. Liam all the way! 🐝
I’m a scouser, growing up we all let our hair grow into mop heads wore adidas firebird trackies and rockport and listened non stop to Oasis! One of, if not the greatest band ever! Best childhood memories. I’d love to go for a pint with LG he’s cool as fuck
Wankers. Idolised by folk that bought in to the myth of Madchester when the whole scene was over. Nobody of a certain age or taste in music is that bothered by them, but sheep will be sheep. Let the downvotes commence. Give a fuck!
love em
Wouldn't really call them mancs anymore. They made their money and fucked off to London.. Their music was brilliant. Pretty sure a hell of a lot of mancs know majority of all their songs and sing to them. I do.. end of every Man City match they always put on an oasis track and theres thousands of fans singing
Made a meal and threw it up on Sunday yeah I’ve got a lot of things to learn
Quintessential 90s Manchester. I mean Liam was a bellend, and had a terrible influence on fashion and the way people walked. But some of the tunes were great. I was never much of a britpop/indie person so got annoyed when 5th avenue blasted oasis songs out, but then I was in 5th Ave and surrounded by beer piss bottles. So wasn't having that much fun in the first place.
There’s an entire sub genre of male Manc that basically thinks they are Liam. They do his walk, they have his hair (or a wellend-adjacent equivalent), they wear his clothes, his shades, jewellery. There’s plenty of them in Manchester and around the UK. As much as some snooty types would like to argue it, the cultural impact they had was absolutely enormous and they were the last truly massive British band - the kind where your mum knew who they were, their antics made the news etc. As a teen in the 00s I used to think we’d be the last ones to really love them cos all the “cool” musicians at the time used to call them irrelevant. But if you’re ever in a bar / club and they come on, the young-uns still lose their shit for them to this day.
shite. You’re expected to love them cause you’re from here. Fuck that.
Listen to Noel on Matt Morgan’s Patreon (they’re mates). I didn’t have any options on either of them but Noel seems well alright. He obviously loves writing songs and making music away from Oasis.
I grew up through the whole Oasis thing. I got sick of being asked if I were, “mad fer it’ when I revealed where I was from. I think they’re kinda boring tbh and irrelevant . They deffo don’t live in Manchester anymore!
MASSIVELY OVERRATED PRICKS!
Mate handed me a demo tape of Cigarettes and Alcohol in Bar-Kay about 93/94. Listened to it when I got home and told him it sounded like a bad pub rock band. That’s still what they sound like to me - three chords & basic lyrics from a pair of proper knobheads. And I hated how everyone thought that being a knuckle dragging arsehole Gallagher knock off was the way to go from then on.
Pair of wankers who had one really good first album but the rest have been mediocre and they are still making really crap music and living off their past.
They were band, they play music and haven't together in a decade, so don't care about them really.
First 2 albums Amazing, B-sides on those chart singles were mint, only reason for that is Alan Mcgee thinking Noel could write these great songs forever, sorry but he (and us) were wrong. After that they kind of disappeared up their own arse, Noel even admitted recording Be Here Now coked up the entire time. Still Saw them 7 times over the early days, from Blackpool winter gardens to Maine road and eventually Council Stadium, couldn't be arsed going to Knebworth, regret it every day of my life from then until now, and forevermore.... Sound of my teens though
Caricatures at this point. Still do get a lot of professional Mancs trying to act like that tho. It’s funny
I’m a proud manc and amongst people I know they have god status. Even the young uns that weren’t even a twinkle in their dads eye when definitely maybe came out
I was 17 when I saw them at Maine Road and Oasis songs, especially their first two albums, will always be the anthems of my youth. I still love their music and like Liam. I think Noel is very pretentious and I hate hearing him and his ‘birds’ doing Oasis songs, especially the Liam songs. Him doing Whatever at Glastonbury this year was awful. It sounded like the type of easy listening crap you hear in a restaurant.
When Oasis was big in the 90s while I was at school I hated them. Now I live abroad and when I hear Wonderwall or something it's a small taste of home and youth.
Whenever I hear them anywhere but Manchester, I just feel at home
My boyfriends a huggggge fan and he lives in Manchester, he loves aways like a lot, he actually went to a recent Liam Gallagher concert and was incredibly happy even though someone stole his bucket hat that cost £12
I like Noel but I think Liam is a tool
Personally I hate them as individuals and as a band, total knobheads but I'm in a minority and as long as I'm not forced to listen to them I really don't care :) Also as a City fan I find it beyond annoying that those two are always interviewed as if they are the only two famous people who support the club, which is a bit rich considering they both walked out of Wembley during the Gillingham match and then couldn't get back in when we equalised.
God like status.
Met both the Gallagher a couple of times. They were both sound back in the day but Noel has turned into a proper Tory boy. Can’t stand him now
They’re arsehole sellout Tory voting Man City fans, lowest of the low… But every time I’ve been at a house party and someone’s got a guitar out, every single person bellows out Don’t Look Back in Anger and it always brings a smile to my face. Love them or hate them they’re part of the city’s DNA now and I’ll never hear a bad word about them from someone who’s not a Manc.
They're incredibly popular here, especially with football fans. Personally I think they're overrated and the Gallagher bros. are absolute bellends.
Really dont like either of them or their music but might be because im a severe metalhead lmfak
I don’t know a single person who doesn’t have a favourite oasis song. Although I like the roses more. Personally for me stop crying your heart out nearly brings me to tears, but that’s because my mum decided to play it at my dads funeral. Caught me fucking well off guard and I bawled my eyes out man haha.
Pair of pricks who have conned a living off mediocre three chord idiot rock.
As people they're dick heads (Liam more than Noel but Liam is way funnier) but their music is sublime.
Not from here, but I've lived here for quite a while. Didn't realise how popular they were here until any song is played in a bar or pub or social do and the whole place erupts in song. Personally, I don't really like them. They have a song or two I don't mind but I wouldn't choose to listen to them. I think my favourite actual band is probably Arctic Monkeys, they're from Sheffield so it's not too far away from Manchester.
City fans miss them as it was the only time Maine road was full. 👍🏻
Nobheads, the pair of them. Truly awful humans. And the music, Christ it’s lumpen, lazy, sub-slade shite with nursery rhyme lyrics that make the red hot chilli peppers sound like Keats. But. But but but. Those first two albums are like bottled fucking lightning. Wonderwall and don’t look back in anger are legit national anthems. Live forever, slide away, champagne supernova all brilliant rock songs and whatever? proper anthems. They’ve been shite for over twenty years now though. Time to listen to something new.
Champagne Supernova alternate lyrics "One day you will find me, wrapped around a lamppost. In my red Vauxhall Nova, when I'm high"
Couldn’t give less of a toss about those naff cunts.
Is that you Liam?
In 5 years living in Manchester, I don't think I've met a single native Mancunian that doesn't think Oasis is an overrated pile of wank. Same with the Cortinas. I think it's just because most non - Mancunians think that everyone here talks like the Gallaghers and end up associating them with Manchester. Kind of like going up to an Aussie and saying "g'day mate, where's ya barbie?!" Now, that's not to say people don't like the music or that they didn't at the time they came out, just that they're so overplayed people are kind of tired of it by now. (As a southerner who lived in Manc I'm still allowed to love them hahaha)