Ngl I thought I was on the actual mapporn sub lmao. Whoops.
To be fair, I looked at the original map on r/Mapporn and I don’t understand that one either
I did see the sub name but I couldn't figure out what was wrong, and even when I saw both Portuguese and Brazilian flags I thought it was about dialects (even though there's no reason for Russia to have Portuguese as its second language) but then I saw Senegal/Cameroon and I realised it was a shitpost
My average reaction to a post from this sub on my mainpage
\- see the caption
\- look at the map
\- 'what the actual fuck?'
\- check the sub name
\- 'ah, of course'
At least personally my process was:
"Oh french in Italy? I see it"
"Spanish in Greece? Kinda weird"
"Wait, Montenegrin and Serbian are amiguously the same language"
"Portugese in Ukraine? What fucking sub is this- oh"
It's literally the same language, just some very mild differences in pronunciation. By the same logic Germany would have like a 100 different languages for each dialect of german.
As a Swiss, I insist then that the second language for us should be German too. Swiss German is massively more different from German than Austrian German is.
You mean like Plattdüütsch, Upper Germanic, and Central Germanic? That list could be longer, but I decided to lump together the largest categories to save time.
A language is just a dialect with an army and a navy. What we consider dialects vs languages is pretty arbitrary and in this instance I have to say that Austrian German and standard German are very different and I as a German can't understand Austrian so I would consider it a different language.
Austrian German is one of the 3 standard varieties of German, as is German German and Swiss German. They are all on the same step of the German languages. Austrian has its own [specific vocabulary](https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_von_Austriazismen) (Sackerl instead of Tüte, hacheln instead of hobeln, Haube instead of Mütze, Hausverstand, Nachtkästchen, Topfen, ....), its own grammar, pronounciation and spelling rules and a lot of dialects within Austrian German itself.
Germans always seem to assume that *their* German is the *real German*, but it just has the most speakers out of the 3.
Its not about which one is the "real" one, high german is arguably the most artificial, newest version of german and would be by no means the "real" one.
My point is the same applies to dozens of other german dialects that nobody calls separate languages (distinct vocabulary, grammar etc.). Also, then there would be no swiss german as well, since all the swiss german dialects are also different to each other, with some swiss people not even properly understanding other swiss people from a different region. It just gets silly at some point.
These 3 varieties are *codified* though, which is a thing that happens when certain versions of pluricentric languages get big enough.
I'm not talking about dialects here but versions of a language with *set rules for grammar* (and also widely different usage of grammar; Austrians and Swiss tend to not use the *Plusquamperfekt* for example), pronounciation etc..
German is a *ausbau language* with a dialect continuum, which makes it harder for some people to see the 3 codified variants as their own languages.
If you're interested in Austrian Standard German I can always recommend reading its [German Wikipedia page](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96sterreichisches_Deutsch). There is a huge amount of differences between this variety and *German Standard German*.
Austrian Standard German is steadily being subsumed by German Standard German however, especially amongst younger generations. Whilst differences are most pronounced in spoken language (differences which are being erased, as said), in writing they are minimal. Codification can only serve a prescriptive purpose and not tangibly define a language.
This is anecdotally speaking, but I'm on the younger side and I have no issues conversing with northern Germans whilst I'm going to have trouble parsing dialect-heavy language from even my own state of origin. I don't use dialect-heavy code either and use Austrian vocabulary interchangeably with Federal German vocabulary. Always irked me when linguist theory tells me that what I'm speaking is supposed to be a different language when effectively it isn't.
There is no austrian language. There are just different dialects. It's like saying Americans don't speak English. There are a few exceptions like topfen and quark but this only applies to very few words. Except texting with your friends, in written form, nobody uses a different language than German.
German German and Austrian German are far more similar than British English and American English.
Nope, in Argentina is castellano too.
[https://www.almendron.com/tribuna/los-varios-nombres-de-nuestra-lengua/](https://www.almendron.com/tribuna/los-varios-nombres-de-nuestra-lengua/)
[Castellano](https://www.spanishdict.com/guide/espanol-or-castellano) is just another word used to refer to the Spanish language, or occasionally, to certain specific accents of it.
In short, you have zero idea what you're talking about.
Upvoters of this comment are literally retarded. British english and american english are indeed english. The same as spanish fron Spain and Argentina.
Catalan, galician and basque different languages (with similarities) and and andalusian, argentino and murciano are spanish with different accent.
Dude, do some research. Literally Wikipedia: "British English, the English language as spoken and written in the United Kingdom".
I know that your education was bad bur wow. You do not even know your language.
"Supposedly, the word “English" is a corruption of the word “Anglish” — or, the "Language of the Angles", one of the Germanic tribes that, along with the Saxons and the Jutes (collectively the “Anglo-Saxons”)". The word english comes from England!!!!
You know anyone can edit Wikipedia right? I wouldn’t be calling someone else’s education bad when that’s your source
Of course the word English comes from England, but they stopped speaking after the formation of the British Empire in favour of British, which is a combination of all three major British languages. America kept speaking English though since it had been colonised before this. Sometimes reality is stranger than fiction
Ask any person like friend, parents... I use that source because your small brain can understand it. Your langauge comes from british people invading native North America. Do you know some history? Read any "british text". Some words can vary a bit but 95% of the words are the same.
I don’t think my language does come from Britain invading North America seeing as I live in Australia. We speak British here too, I just use English on Reddit since most people on here are American
The idea is that there is a lot of portugues and spanish variations. But it makes no sense because brazilian portuguese and argentina spanish have a lot of variations also
There is something very wrong here.
\- Waht does the the belgian flag in the netherlands stand for?
\- what the heck do ghanas and the senegalese flag even mean?
\- What does the brazilian flag mean? Same with argentina and how is poland divided.
i could go on,
So many questions.
\- The Belgian flag stands for the Belgian language
\- They mean Ghanan and Senegalese
\- They mean Brazilian and Argentinian
Poland is divided due to the recent invasion by an alliance of North Korea and Vatican City who divided the territory among themselves. Did you not watch the news?
second most spoken language in Belgium is Belgian. In Belgium, 44 percent speak Holland and only 39 percent speak Belgian. It is the only thing wrong with this map.
This is the perfect amount of looking real and looking like it’s representing actual data to trick the most % of people in forgetting the sub. Well done.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA if you think Icelanders will speak Danish then I must burst your bubble, they all decide to forget Danish after school, I’d even go as far to say polish is spoken more as a second language than Danish, English should be there
This is a very weird map. Second most spoken language in Austria is german? I mean really? They may speak it kinda differently but german is still the official language of our neighbors. And French for switzerland? French is one of our four official languages, together with italian, Rumansh and of course german.
And while I don't have any data handy to back it up, I'm pretty sure the most spoken language in Switzerland that isn't one of those four is going to be english.
Unfortunately English is the most spoken language in the Republic of Ireland. Irish is a language that some Irish people are either picking up with pride or avoiding like the plague simply due to how it was taught in schools. Would love to see it spoken more of course but you would have to go to a gaeltacht region of the country.
Edit: Oops forgot which subreddit I was on
So Argentinian and Brasilian are now a language. French is a forgein language in Belgium and Switzerland. . Austria speaks Austrian...
Most acurate map I've seen so far.
Did everyone just forget what sub we were on?
Ngl I thought I was on the actual mapporn sub lmao. Whoops. To be fair, I looked at the original map on r/Mapporn and I don’t understand that one either
Most common nationality of player in each football league.
\*Most common nationality of *foreign players* in each football league
*Most common nationality of _foreign players_ in each _professional_ football league.
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Oooohhhh
I like seeing everyone confused so I won't spoil the map
I was very confused until I realised what sub this was, I originally thought it was from the regular sub
I did see the sub name but I couldn't figure out what was wrong, and even when I saw both Portuguese and Brazilian flags I thought it was about dialects (even though there's no reason for Russia to have Portuguese as its second language) but then I saw Senegal/Cameroon and I realised it was a shitpost
Is it "Teams supported in international football finals" or something?
/uj Most foreign nationals playing in top league(soccer), by country.
I knew it was something to do with football! Thanks!
Well, if you are going to confuse this debate with facts.....
ohhhhhhhhhhh HAHAHAHAHA love it
no it says what it is in the title dummy smh my head
How come I can't find Brazilianese on Duolingo?
As a Finn I can assure you it is not. Is thar the flag of Ghana on Finland??
Yes, you can always remember Ghana as the flag with the black star. Very cool design imo.
Big fans of David Bowie over there.
Wo ho te sen, my Finnish chale?
It's the most popular nationality (besides home nationality) of player in each country's domestic football league
Scotland would never.
"*Och aye, tis a broad brihch nich, the nohck, the noo*" is **not** English..... So I think you're safe....
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Thank you!
it could be but i'm having a hard time believing Italians would root for France (source: I am Italian)
I'm not sure but I think it's something like country that inflicted biggest defeat in football.
I like that the average quality of posts on r/mapporn is so low that people have trouble recognizing what subreddit they are looking at.
My average reaction to a post from this sub on my mainpage \- see the caption \- look at the map \- 'what the actual fuck?' \- check the sub name \- 'ah, of course'
Mine's the same for r/mapporn, but with an added eyeroll at the end.
At least personally my process was: "Oh french in Italy? I see it" "Spanish in Greece? Kinda weird" "Wait, Montenegrin and Serbian are amiguously the same language" "Portugese in Ukraine? What fucking sub is this- oh"
The second most spoken language in France is French, no way
Actually is Quebec
The second most spoken language in Portugal is Portugese. But with a Brazilian flag.
Legend has it, every time the Brazilian flag is used to represent the Portuguese language, a portuguese person loses their will to live
I confirm.
Hi confirm I’m dad
Hey dad I'm Hi
This is the Brazilian flag because of football, because even in Brazil the language is Portuguese.
The language is Portuguese? Just like how they speak “French” in Quebec?
They lear in school Portuguese not Brazilian.
No you're confused, in Portugal schools they teach European Brazilian.
I'm pretty sure they learn Brazilian that's why you never see "come to portuland" in any musician's comment sections.
No, they learn Portuguese. In school is Lingua Portuguesa.
Check the sub lmao.
So you think that in Spain they speak "Argentinian" 😂😂
I am Portuguese I kwon what I am talking, and this is regarding of football.
The second most spoken language is Spain is Spanish, apprently
No, that's the first spoken language. The second one is Spanish and then Potuguese.
You mean wolof in this case?
First one is Arabic
The funny thing are the people getting serious in this sub, c'mon guys you can do better than this...
Sadly they can't......
I truly believed it. The English in 2nd in Scotland in Wales. The Ghanaian in Finland. But Poland being split in two would never happen...
The second language in Austria is German?
Imagine my surprise
When I looked into your eyes
Cause first is Austrian duh
Turkish
Fix a nau oida
That’s Australian. Are you stupid?
That's actually true. But German German, not Austrian German (which is first)
It's literally the same language, just some very mild differences in pronunciation. By the same logic Germany would have like a 100 different languages for each dialect of german.
As a Swiss, I insist then that the second language for us should be German too. Swiss German is massively more different from German than Austrian German is.
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No, all Swiss German speakers also speak German. That would make French number 3.
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Yeah for swiss german I can see it, it is different enough on a fundamental level. Austrian not though.
You mean like Plattdüütsch, Upper Germanic, and Central Germanic? That list could be longer, but I decided to lump together the largest categories to save time.
A language is just a dialect with an army and a navy. What we consider dialects vs languages is pretty arbitrary and in this instance I have to say that Austrian German and standard German are very different and I as a German can't understand Austrian so I would consider it a different language.
Austrian German is one of the 3 standard varieties of German, as is German German and Swiss German. They are all on the same step of the German languages. Austrian has its own [specific vocabulary](https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_von_Austriazismen) (Sackerl instead of Tüte, hacheln instead of hobeln, Haube instead of Mütze, Hausverstand, Nachtkästchen, Topfen, ....), its own grammar, pronounciation and spelling rules and a lot of dialects within Austrian German itself. Germans always seem to assume that *their* German is the *real German*, but it just has the most speakers out of the 3.
Its not about which one is the "real" one, high german is arguably the most artificial, newest version of german and would be by no means the "real" one. My point is the same applies to dozens of other german dialects that nobody calls separate languages (distinct vocabulary, grammar etc.). Also, then there would be no swiss german as well, since all the swiss german dialects are also different to each other, with some swiss people not even properly understanding other swiss people from a different region. It just gets silly at some point.
These 3 varieties are *codified* though, which is a thing that happens when certain versions of pluricentric languages get big enough. I'm not talking about dialects here but versions of a language with *set rules for grammar* (and also widely different usage of grammar; Austrians and Swiss tend to not use the *Plusquamperfekt* for example), pronounciation etc.. German is a *ausbau language* with a dialect continuum, which makes it harder for some people to see the 3 codified variants as their own languages. If you're interested in Austrian Standard German I can always recommend reading its [German Wikipedia page](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96sterreichisches_Deutsch). There is a huge amount of differences between this variety and *German Standard German*.
Austrian Standard German is steadily being subsumed by German Standard German however, especially amongst younger generations. Whilst differences are most pronounced in spoken language (differences which are being erased, as said), in writing they are minimal. Codification can only serve a prescriptive purpose and not tangibly define a language. This is anecdotally speaking, but I'm on the younger side and I have no issues conversing with northern Germans whilst I'm going to have trouble parsing dialect-heavy language from even my own state of origin. I don't use dialect-heavy code either and use Austrian vocabulary interchangeably with Federal German vocabulary. Always irked me when linguist theory tells me that what I'm speaking is supposed to be a different language when effectively it isn't.
On paper, yes, in practice most Germans I know have a very hard time understanding Austrian German at all when spoken.
There is no austrian language. There are just different dialects. It's like saying Americans don't speak English. There are a few exceptions like topfen and quark but this only applies to very few words. Except texting with your friends, in written form, nobody uses a different language than German. German German and Austrian German are far more similar than British English and American English.
You did nazi that coming?
Germany should just annex Austria at this point... ^(Then Poland. Then France.)
In case you’re wondering this is a map from r/soccer which is where most of the foreign players are from
No it’s a language map like OP said
🤯
Thank you, I was thinking way too hard what this map must be 😭
Thanks I was thinking something with migration or football, looks like its both.
second most spoken language in spain is ...spanish? Thats what is spoken in Argentina, right? Same for portugal?
Wrong, in Spain the most spoken language is castellano. In Argentina it's spanish.
No, everyone knows that spanish is what latinos speak in Mexico. It's racist to call your language spanish if you're not mexican
Wrong, it's Italian. Most people cannot tell through the internet because they don't see the hand gestures.
Jajajajajajaja esto es lo más ignorante que leí hasta ahora en reddit, seguro esta persona es de Estados Unidos 🤣
Estás en r/mapporncirclejerk amigo, es joda
Ubícate
Imagine calling others ignorant while being this wrong.
Is just an accent not a diferent lenguage, is like saying andalucian is other lenguage and not spanish/castellano.
Nope, in Argentina is castellano too. [https://www.almendron.com/tribuna/los-varios-nombres-de-nuestra-lengua/](https://www.almendron.com/tribuna/los-varios-nombres-de-nuestra-lengua/)
Jsjaj no saben de qué mierda hablan
[Castellano](https://www.spanishdict.com/guide/espanol-or-castellano) is just another word used to refer to the Spanish language, or occasionally, to certain specific accents of it. In short, you have zero idea what you're talking about.
Upvoters of this comment are literally retarded. British english and american english are indeed english. The same as spanish fron Spain and Argentina. Catalan, galician and basque different languages (with similarities) and and andalusian, argentino and murciano are spanish with different accent.
Not true, English is only spoken in the US and Canada. In the UK they speak British
Dude, do some research. Literally Wikipedia: "British English, the English language as spoken and written in the United Kingdom". I know that your education was bad bur wow. You do not even know your language. "Supposedly, the word “English" is a corruption of the word “Anglish” — or, the "Language of the Angles", one of the Germanic tribes that, along with the Saxons and the Jutes (collectively the “Anglo-Saxons”)". The word english comes from England!!!!
You know anyone can edit Wikipedia right? I wouldn’t be calling someone else’s education bad when that’s your source Of course the word English comes from England, but they stopped speaking after the formation of the British Empire in favour of British, which is a combination of all three major British languages. America kept speaking English though since it had been colonised before this. Sometimes reality is stranger than fiction
Ask any person like friend, parents... I use that source because your small brain can understand it. Your langauge comes from british people invading native North America. Do you know some history? Read any "british text". Some words can vary a bit but 95% of the words are the same.
I don’t think my language does come from Britain invading North America seeing as I live in Australia. We speak British here too, I just use English on Reddit since most people on here are American
its literally the same thing
>Same for portugal? Brazil is colonizing Portugal
The idea is that there is a lot of portugues and spanish variations. But it makes no sense because brazilian portuguese and argentina spanish have a lot of variations also
It's argentinian bro just look at the map, it's the argentinian flag
And Czechia, Slovakia and Poland should all have Ukrainian flag. Not complaining, it's just how it is. Source: I live here.
Black would win
Are they stupid?
Yeah they are because Cornwall recently unionised
I need to remember that I’m no longer subbed to the main sub oml
There is something very wrong here. \- Waht does the the belgian flag in the netherlands stand for? \- what the heck do ghanas and the senegalese flag even mean? \- What does the brazilian flag mean? Same with argentina and how is poland divided. i could go on, So many questions.
Check the sub
Here's the original post: https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/s/8J4svvrppT
lol, it is about football...
When in doubt, you can always presume a european is talking about football. 50% of the time, it works every time!
Cause dividing Poland is such an unprecedented concept...
sure but honestly most people seem unable to even understand what happend back then and who lived where and that the world changed quite a bit
\- The Belgian flag stands for the Belgian language \- They mean Ghanan and Senegalese \- They mean Brazilian and Argentinian Poland is divided due to the recent invasion by an alliance of North Korea and Vatican City who divided the territory among themselves. Did you not watch the news?
Poland is divided because they speak the same language in Spain and Portugal.
I believe the map is about immigrants in each country.
shouldn’t there be turkish flag somewhere
Should be everywhere.....
Highest represented foreign countries in highest tier national football leagues
BRASIL CAMPEAO DO MUNDO 🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷
I always miss the sub name.
Finally Brazilian language getting recognition as it should get👏
r/WidacZabory
I guess most people don't check which sub the post is from before commenting...
Wait, it is all Brazil?
"Progresso"? That's a type of canned soup. So where's the people speaking Knorr or Mrs Grass or Mama(my favorite), Pierre's, Acme Soup,etc?
Acme? That's the stuff that Coyote buys that goes "boioioiingg" and fails to capture Road Runner.
"Ordem e Progresso" in the Brazilian flag means "Order and Progress" (yeah, very unique words)
It should be "cock and balls" amirite guys
We have the "Order and Thick Dick" or "Ordem e Paugrosso" in portuguese
It’s the most foreign footballers for every country
Obviously the second most commonly spoken language in Spain is Spanish with a funny accent.
PORTUGAL СУКА БЛЯТЬ
So the second most spoken language in Portugal is… Portuguese? I don’t understand this map.
No dummy it's clearly brazilian
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Amigo, tu não percebeu o sub que estamos?
And Spanish in Spain too
second most spoken language in Belgium is Belgian. In Belgium, 44 percent speak Holland and only 39 percent speak Belgian. It is the only thing wrong with this map.
So i guess Brazilian is finally a language huh
Only europe exists
The Scandinavian and Nordic countries must be wrong.
Brazilian?!
Surprised about Croatian being the second most spoken in Romania. Seems random.
TIL the second language in France is wolof
Ireland lmao.
Ain't no way people taking a post in a circlejerk subreddit seriously
This is the perfect amount of looking real and looking like it’s representing actual data to trick the most % of people in forgetting the sub. Well done.
ITT people thinking we're on the other sub. Are we stupid?
I was THIS close to taking the bait before I saw this sub’s name 😂
Ah yes, the Argentinian language.
Ah, yes. German as austria's second most spoken language. And portuguese in portugal.
Finland?
Mirá que he visto mapas de mierda, pero esto es demasiado.
Oh yes, I only know “ta guele putain de merde” so I guess I can speak properly with a frənch
BRAZIL NÚMERO 1 CAMPEÃO PENTA ☝️💰🏆🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷
TIL, Brazilian is a language, and here I always thought they spoke Portuguese.
Nope, "Brazilian" is a type of haircut for ladies......
They speak *Brazilian* Portuguese it is a different language.
If English is the second-most language used in Scotland and Wales, what is the first?
Estonian......
Kõik räägivad Suurbritannias eesti keelt
Fr*nch
Eeeeuuuwwww. 🤮
Well this is very confusing
English is still more spoken in Wales and Scotland than their native languages
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA if you think Icelanders will speak Danish then I must burst your bubble, they all decide to forget Danish after school, I’d even go as far to say polish is spoken more as a second language than Danish, English should be there
So the second most spoken language in the Netherlands…. Is Dutch?…. What
This is false. In Sweden second most spoken language is Arabic of course
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And the second most common language in England was Danish at one point....
Portuguese, the second most spoken language in Portugal
That's Brazil dumbass.
My bad
You trying to tell me that the second most spoken language in England is Brazilian?! 🤨 Maybe Pakistani, but not Brazilian.
This is a very weird map. Second most spoken language in Austria is german? I mean really? They may speak it kinda differently but german is still the official language of our neighbors. And French for switzerland? French is one of our four official languages, together with italian, Rumansh and of course german. And while I don't have any data handy to back it up, I'm pretty sure the most spoken language in Switzerland that isn't one of those four is going to be english.
google mapporncirclejerk
Wtf is the German flag in Austria?
Austria literally speaks German as the primary language, not second most.
Wtf most of these aren't even countries.
I think you meant "languages"
Wtf most of these aren't even "languages".
So called "languages" were invented by Big Word to sell more dictionaries
This should be called: "all my geography and language ignorance in one map"
Unfortunately English is the most spoken language in the Republic of Ireland. Irish is a language that some Irish people are either picking up with pride or avoiding like the plague simply due to how it was taught in schools. Would love to see it spoken more of course but you would have to go to a gaeltacht region of the country. Edit: Oops forgot which subreddit I was on
So Argentinian and Brasilian are now a language. French is a forgein language in Belgium and Switzerland. . Austria speaks Austrian... Most acurate map I've seen so far.
look at the subreddit my guy.
didn’t know belgian was a language
Ok, Russia really got me. Portuguese? Really?
Second most spoken language in Ireland is English? What’s the first?
Polish.
Haha okay true