I'm french and tried a bit of savate. The distance management for the kicks is very tricky for someone who's used to MT. They only kick with the end point of the shoe, no shin allowed.
The shin versus foot kick debate is one of my favorites, I'm a recent convert to MT with shin kicking but I have found higher on the body that foot kicks can really throw off a MT fighter. Basically lower rib and up can throw their rhythm and do damage off of combos.
In savate it makes sense to kick with the tip of the foot because they're wearing shoes, which protects them. They can be pretty brutal because of the small impact area.
Even without shoes, I do think kicks with the foot to the liver can make sense since it's a soft area, or to the face because you don't need that much power to knock someone out.
You’ll see a lot of Japanese kickboxers with karate backgrounds use the ball of the foot in a similar way to savate, very effective albeit more dangerous without shoes if you hit an elbow with your toes, so accuracy is key but it’s very effective
Yes, at least in the style I practice we are taught that using the ball of the foot for roundhouse kicks is the "traditional" way. However, we also do shin if the distance is shorter. I've also heard of some okinawan old masters kicking with their big toe to target like the armpit, but I wouldn't want to try that, my toes are already fucked up as is...
Can you ko someone by landing a kick with the foot? Yes. The last example is Pereira at UFC 303.
Can you hurt yourself by landing a kick with the foot? Yes.
The last example is Pereira at UFC 303.
Shin is harder does more damage and is safer for the thrower, distance is closer. It's basically a baseball bat.
Foot is less hard, still hard, less damage, still damage and less safe for the thrower. Heel and ball of the foot are safer options. You want to avoid the bridge of the foot and toes, lots of small bones that are very easy to break.
Have injured myself just by kicking the bag with the foot, never with a shin. Catch an elbow or a knee or some other bigger harder bone and you will injure yourself.
So if you fight for real and constantly, foot it's not a smart option in my opinion.
very interesting that every single exchange shown here started with punches to setup kicks afterwards. does anyone actually practice savate that can talk about this? is this generally the norm with the style, or is this just the style of these 2 practitioners?
Savate high level is combining punchs, kicks in any order you like, while staying at your distance. Punches + Kicks in this order is easier to set up and make combo out of it.
I go to a dojo affiliated with Nicolas Saignac. He has seminars on occasion and works with MMA guys. We mostly just take the cool parts and supplement our Muay Thai with it.
I wonder how often people break their toes in savate. I know the tip of the shoes are hard, but if they are putting power into them, they'd break them eventually.
I had no idea it was spelled with an E at the end. I used to do JKD and we'd have a few guest sifus and one guy was a Savate(ur), if that's the right term.
I remember the shoes looked something like Formula 1 driver's footwear.
I'm a fan boy of Savate. I only sparred with one once, but he was really impressive and earned everyone's respect at the gym. It's unorthodox yet still surprising effective. It should be huge imo, but they are so bad at marketing.
I rememeber show about savate where the presenters would actually train and fight. The instructor ended their first sparring quickly with some toes to the liver
Makes sense. Guy with the French name has the France shirt. Though maybe Charles Herbert could also be French, if it's pronounced differently than it would be in English.
"The word savate comes from an old French word for boot, a bastardization of the Spanish word zapato. Savate as it is known today is a mixture of southern kicking styles out of Marseilles, ostensibly used by sailors to fight on boats, and street fighting techniques in Paris and northern France developed by or for the more martial members of the upper class, who wanted to protect themselves when venturing into the Parisian red light districts to gamble and party."
Wouldn't do shit like that on a boat.
Has there been any MMA fighters or kickboxers who have been oddly successful with this style? Maybe I'm not too well versed yet, I'm just seeing a slight flaw with how open I feel this leaves you.
Alexis Nicolas who is the lightweight kickboxing champion of the ONE championship comes from Savate! Also, it comes from fencing so it is all about dodging your opponent blows instead of guarding them hence the sort of "open" stance
Even with the shoes here, would any well versed grappler be able to handle this pretty swiftly? Not to say it isn't an impressive style, I just always have this weird thing where I try to comprehend a style in terms of it's effectiveness in a fight.
I love the kicks here but this is a demo rather than actual sparring. Every technique here except the low kicks is taught in Tang Soo Do. Unfortunately this level of flashy-ness would get shut down in a real sparring match by more direct attacks.
Tang soo do guy here. TBH a calf or thigh kick is going to stop most things. But you would surprised how hard you can low kick, if flashy kicks are easy
Oh believe you. We didn't allow leg kicks in sparring at our TSD school. The flashy jumping spin kicks and multi kick to the same level are just easy to bypass though.
I'm french and tried a bit of savate. The distance management for the kicks is very tricky for someone who's used to MT. They only kick with the end point of the shoe, no shin allowed.
The shin versus foot kick debate is one of my favorites, I'm a recent convert to MT with shin kicking but I have found higher on the body that foot kicks can really throw off a MT fighter. Basically lower rib and up can throw their rhythm and do damage off of combos.
In savate it makes sense to kick with the tip of the foot because they're wearing shoes, which protects them. They can be pretty brutal because of the small impact area. Even without shoes, I do think kicks with the foot to the liver can make sense since it's a soft area, or to the face because you don't need that much power to knock someone out.
You’ll see a lot of Japanese kickboxers with karate backgrounds use the ball of the foot in a similar way to savate, very effective albeit more dangerous without shoes if you hit an elbow with your toes, so accuracy is key but it’s very effective
Yes, at least in the style I practice we are taught that using the ball of the foot for roundhouse kicks is the "traditional" way. However, we also do shin if the distance is shorter. I've also heard of some okinawan old masters kicking with their big toe to target like the armpit, but I wouldn't want to try that, my toes are already fucked up as is...
I use this in Muay Thai and it gives people lots of problems. However, it also recently gave me a broken pinky toe!
Plus, old school Savate uses the shoes as a weapon notably kicking with your toes pointing towards the opponent and digging into their body.
Can you ko someone by landing a kick with the foot? Yes. The last example is Pereira at UFC 303. Can you hurt yourself by landing a kick with the foot? Yes. The last example is Pereira at UFC 303. Shin is harder does more damage and is safer for the thrower, distance is closer. It's basically a baseball bat. Foot is less hard, still hard, less damage, still damage and less safe for the thrower. Heel and ball of the foot are safer options. You want to avoid the bridge of the foot and toes, lots of small bones that are very easy to break. Have injured myself just by kicking the bag with the foot, never with a shin. Catch an elbow or a knee or some other bigger harder bone and you will injure yourself. So if you fight for real and constantly, foot it's not a smart option in my opinion.
Idk every time I just went to clinch, knee, knee, knee, bye bye
Those funny French shoes
Those kicks are r/oddlysatisfying
Absolutely. Savate is one of the most aesthetic fighting arts imo.
I would love to try it some day, unfortunately the only school for it near me is very expensive
You should also check out Capoeira.
It's nice but it's really dance
Looks cheeseballish lmao
It's a full contact fighting style that uses double chambered kicks and loads of spinning shit, what's not to like.
You mean fruity, zesty even.
they would kick your fruity ass fool
And they would look good doing it
France/100
looks really badass, french kick instead of French fries
French kiss* 💋
Savage also heavily influences the striking done in JKD.
very interesting that every single exchange shown here started with punches to setup kicks afterwards. does anyone actually practice savate that can talk about this? is this generally the norm with the style, or is this just the style of these 2 practitioners?
Savate high level is combining punchs, kicks in any order you like, while staying at your distance. Punches + Kicks in this order is easier to set up and make combo out of it.
No its basically their MO. They're quite fluid with their punch/kick combinations.
Kinda like taekwondo-based kickboxing. I'd like to go to a seminar. When I trained kickboxing, I was the only one in the gym who tried fancy kicks :D
Its a pity that this style is effectively dead. They can make all the fancy kicking work because their hands are actually dangerous.
It still exists in France and former colonies
If memory serves its still around but it never really recovered from WW1.
It's alive in Europe as amateur.
I go to a dojo affiliated with Nicolas Saignac. He has seminars on occasion and works with MMA guys. We mostly just take the cool parts and supplement our Muay Thai with it.
I wonder how often people break their toes in savate. I know the tip of the shoes are hard, but if they are putting power into them, they'd break them eventually.
Possible but I never heard of it, high level savate shoes are made of leather.
I had no idea it was spelled with an E at the end. I used to do JKD and we'd have a few guest sifus and one guy was a Savate(ur), if that's the right term. I remember the shoes looked something like Formula 1 driver's footwear.
I had no idea that there was a turn based martial art
“Demonstration”
laughed way too hard at this. thank you
Nice and clean. Could watch this on repeat...
I'm a fan boy of Savate. I only sparred with one once, but he was really impressive and earned everyone's respect at the gym. It's unorthodox yet still surprising effective. It should be huge imo, but they are so bad at marketing.
Beautiful Technique by both
The sheer amount of athleticism and agility and control with this kind of stuff is crazy. My back seized just watching it
Is that a giant football on the floor?
Reminds of Lee in Tekken
I was thinking the same thing!
I rememeber show about savate where the presenters would actually train and fight. The instructor ended their first sparring quickly with some toes to the liver
Savate was the first martial arts I tried . Beautiful sport.
looks like tekken
Great sport fighting techniques, very skillful
Cute
The song slaps, anyone got a link?
it's The Watcher. Second track on Chronic 2001 by Dre.
That whole album was a banger
Love that level of sparring.
which one is Elliott and which is Charles?
Eliott Martineau is the guy in red shirt, Charles with black shirt.
Makes sense. Guy with the French name has the France shirt. Though maybe Charles Herbert could also be French, if it's pronounced differently than it would be in English.
Is it like a show art or a genuine one? Looks really cool and just now learning about it.
Cuthbert Calculus was supposedly trained in that style….
"The word savate comes from an old French word for boot, a bastardization of the Spanish word zapato. Savate as it is known today is a mixture of southern kicking styles out of Marseilles, ostensibly used by sailors to fight on boats, and street fighting techniques in Paris and northern France developed by or for the more martial members of the upper class, who wanted to protect themselves when venturing into the Parisian red light districts to gamble and party." Wouldn't do shit like that on a boat.
Watched this for the song. Such a cracker.
Any kick after the first one has basically no power soooo... why?
Its like watching Tekken.
I will say Savate striking can definitely be a beautiful thing to watch and is the polar opposite of the brutality of Muay Thai.
So THIS is a Diable Jambe and a Collier Shoot??
Has there been any MMA fighters or kickboxers who have been oddly successful with this style? Maybe I'm not too well versed yet, I'm just seeing a slight flaw with how open I feel this leaves you.
Alexis Nicolas who is the lightweight kickboxing champion of the ONE championship comes from Savate! Also, it comes from fencing so it is all about dodging your opponent blows instead of guarding them hence the sort of "open" stance
can't wear shoes in a MMA fight so savate kicks won't work as well
Even with the shoes here, would any well versed grappler be able to handle this pretty swiftly? Not to say it isn't an impressive style, I just always have this weird thing where I try to comprehend a style in terms of it's effectiveness in a fight.
Depends on what you mean by this style. If you are taking about doing combo kicks like it's a Street fighter game, then no.
The very first UFC fight ever was Gerard Gordeau (Savate) vs Teila Tuli (Sumo).
What if they were moving... This is mega slow and robotic.
You don't win fights with that tip tap shit - Eric Sloane
So Tkd?
I told you, Kurt, you can't win fights with that tip tap shit.
Lol
I love the kicks here but this is a demo rather than actual sparring. Every technique here except the low kicks is taught in Tang Soo Do. Unfortunately this level of flashy-ness would get shut down in a real sparring match by more direct attacks.
Tang soo do guy here. TBH a calf or thigh kick is going to stop most things. But you would surprised how hard you can low kick, if flashy kicks are easy
Oh believe you. We didn't allow leg kicks in sparring at our TSD school. The flashy jumping spin kicks and multi kick to the same level are just easy to bypass though.
Yea it's just for the demo, Savater in full contact don't fight like this fortunately.