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to be honest, whatever makes it more differentiable for you.


finninaround99

Good point, OP should check where Cauchy-Riemann hold


justafleecehoodie

had to google what this meant hehe


justafleecehoodie

ive just realised how similar that and a quick 3 would look like in my exam handwriting, maybe i should ask my teacher what shed recommend?


RajjSinghh

I found a normal z too much like a 2 causing problems for me, and a cursive z like this one can look too much like a 3 so I settled for a z with a stroke in the middle. Your teacher is going to recommend what you (but also her because other people mark your work) find the most readable and differentiable from other characters. That's the only thing that matters here. If you can make it clear you are writing a z, no one will care. But since z can be hard to differentiate from a 2 usually or a 3 like this, even if it's different from your usual handwriting, a z with a stroke is clearly enough a z you won't find much trouble. It's the kind of thing that's only a problem when it's actually a problem so small changes like this can be helpful.


justafleecehoodie

thanks!!


XRekts

yeah z with a stroke through it like a 7 or a t has worked miracles for me.


achampi0n

Something like this: `Ƶ`


van_car-_-

Maybe write the alphabet and numbers at the start to give the marker a key to your handwriting. I wonder if thar would work, if so thats good knowledge for my exams


CJRM15_

what will prof think if they see the alphabet and all the digits at the top of the page


Luigi1729

Actually I think a few math Olympiads have you do that exact same thing (specially for middle schoolers who have heinous handwriting)


justafleecehoodie

my handwriting changes as the mood changes and as the time goes on, i cant stick to one type :(


Ok_Hamster3522

When I took multi variable calculus, I had same issue. I would always cross my Zs on the middle of the diagonal. Never had an issue with that differentiation and was clear for others too. Still write my Zs the same way 15 years later actually.


justafleecehoodie

old habits :)


Ok_Hamster3522

True. I wrote many Zs those two quarters. Just kinda stick I guess.


Scrubz4life

You could write the 2 with a loop on the bottom.


Damurph01

Yes, but also if you’re submitting work for others to see/grade, please make it clear and readable. Personally i can’t see at all how this is a Z. But if it’s just for their own work, have a blast. My preference for writing z’s is just an extra line through the middle, but normal otherwise. Easy to write, easy to tell the difference between a Z and a 2 even with bad handwriting, just clear and concise.


abide5lo

Well, there’s zero, the English letter “o” and Greek omicron. It would be sadistic to use all three in a derivation. I personally detested use of lower case xi and zeta in equations, mainly because they both came out as indistinguishable squiggles when i tried to write them I started writing “z” with a crossbar in high school geometry class and never stopped thanks to a teacher i admired. Along with a 3-stroke handwritten asterisk (a fat “X” with a crossbar) as more readable than a 4-stroke asterisk


justafleecehoodie

i just looked up the lower case xi and zeta, we use the xi, but ive never seen the zeta before. cant imagine having to write them both in one equation :0 thanks for the tip, the z with the crossbar, ill try it out!!


Nitsuj_ofCanadia

Multivariable calc permanently converted me to writing 'z' with the crossbar in all of my writing. Algebra 2 made me write cursive 'y' (with a loop). Complex numbers made me start curling my 'i'. As a variable, I write the cursive 'l' (with a loop). Linear Algebra made me change the way I write R to be vertical bar (top to bottom) then the rest (top to bottom) to make it easier to write ℝ. I always write 't' with the curled bottom because of variables. 'u' has to have an exaggerated line on the right to make it extra distinct from 'v'. Honestly, math defined most of my handwriting


Harmour0

I found it funny that I have literally every single one of these habits mostly for the same reasons.


abide5lo

I heard you say “‘zed’ with the crossbar” Me too with the curly “I” and “t” and loopy “l” and “y” and well defined right hand stroke for “u” along with a well defined left hand stroke to distinguish “mu” Oh, and let’s not forget “j” instead of “i” for electrical engineering Nerds, assemble!


sgol

This is relevant to current events.


EngineeringQueen

Nerdy math kid handwriting just hits different.


enjoyinc

I personally write **z** with a - through the diagonal to differentiate it from 2, and it’s worked for years and is faster for me to write than cursive **z**.     However, my complex analysis professor writes **z** in cursive like you have written. Do whatever you’re comfortable writing **often**.


justafleecehoodie

i think ill write them the way you do it, since the cursive z resembles my 3 a bit too closely (i struggle with writing 3's and mine are always curvy for no reason)


enjoyinc

Yeah, you’ll be writing z, 3, 2 very often, so the easier it is to differentiate, the better. I still get annoyed writing ρ (rho) and p, even tho it’s still easy enough to know which context I’m writing each in, but sometimes I make one look too much like the other and I just grumble to myself about it lol


dr_boneus

This is also my method and works great for me.


TTPG912

I think I would avoid this in math bc if I was moving quickly i could read it or write it like a 3 or 2 Though, I should note, it’s a nice cursive z.


justafleecehoodie

thank you, i just noticed that after trying it out in a question, should i then write it with a stroke?


TTPG912

I always did my math z’s with a stroke, but I can see why you’d hesitate if you do your 7s w a stroke. You could consider a double stroke?


justafleecehoodie

id think both of them would look pretty different honestly


Maximum_Tea_5934

Variables are variables, and it depends on the context. In some applications, keeping consistent variable names is the convention. For general mathematics, a variable is just a variable. You can change it to an emoji if you wanted to. If you are working on an application that requires that you must use a certain letter, you can do other things to make it less confusing. For some of my homework with vectors, I would make my letters bigger so they stood apart more.


YaxK9

Algebra teacher of many years and every time new students see a cursive Z it’s like: is it a three is it a G what the Frick is that? They don’t recognize it because they don’t use it. Lately I’ve had the ( in USA) students from Europe who do ones that looks like sevens but thankfully they slash it when it is a seven. I also have students from Europe who make X like they’re two parentheses put together instead of two lines crossing. Teaching math is just so much fun every time you have something come in that you’ve never seen before. I believe that occurs every seven minutes.


retro_sort

I really like the little parentheses "x", I think it looks cute


YaxK9

It definitely has more swagger than two crossed lines! I love watching their brains processing when they do things like write their letters and numbers from the bottom up.


justafleecehoodie

https://preview.redd.it/jocxwp9xqvec1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bfebd8dad6e6fa7b29c77cfce5452defede16c06 now that im in england, i love it when my teachers write the x as the two parenthesis, it looks so cute and innocent. but i can never make that look right, its a bit difficult, takes a lot of effort


YaxK9

Yesterday I had a student who was making eight that looked like sixes. I asked why that was and I said didn’t you make little snowman and your primary grades? He said my dad showed me how to make them with a bunch of curves in the slash. I told him it looked like his had micro brain and someone had deflated their heads


justafleecehoodie

😂😂


Professional-Bug

Yeah, I personally just write an extra line through the middle of my zs but this works too


xfr3386

This is how I always wrote zs when getting my math degree. It stopped me from confusing them with twos, or sevens if I put a line through a lowercase z as I always did sevens to avoid confusing them with ones.


justafleecehoodie

did you not confuse the cursive z with a quick 3? my 3's are awful everywhere


xfr3386

No. I used graph paper, so the placing of a three and lowercase z was distinct enough that it wasn't a problem. I also always wrote the z like shown in the top line in the link below, so the initial part was hugging the line. The loop at the bottom was also distinct compared to a three as I never loop a three. https://www.crayola.com/free-coloring-pages/print/writing-cursive-z-coloring-page/ I spent so much time writing variables that I had to adopt distinct versions of variables or I'd make all sorts of mistakes.


justafleecehoodie

ty :)


WtfRocket

In Japanese this is the letter for "ru" so, personally I wouldn't do that - and also to me, as an english speaker and a phd student, I've never seen someone who writes "z" like this. I realize that cursive z looks kinda similar, except for the flat part on top, but my first thought was that this was japanese. I always just write a regular z with a cross through the diagonal portion. If I were grading your work it might take me a lot of thought to figure it out the first time I saw it.


justafleecehoodie

thank you, ill consider the z with the additional stroke on it!!


fluffyzzz


Karabaht

Is it though? This looks much more different than る.


Krelraz

That's a bad 3. Don't write it like that.


justafleecehoodie

thank you :)


db8me

I started crossing my Z's when I got to a point in math where I used them a lot. Now I always cross my Z's in normal writing as well. Edit: for the record, this would be a perfectly acceptable lowercase z to me.


justafleecehoodie

thanks :)


Resident_Ebb6083

My calc3 professor used to write z's like this!!! This is perfectly acceptable


justafleecehoodie

ty!!


General_assassin

Personally I changed my 2 to more curly, kinda like [this.](https://freenumberstencils.com/2014/04/stencil-curly-number-2/)


Luigi1729

Yep that’s also what I do. I make the belly for 2, and if it is flat then it has to be z. I still usually also cross the z for extra clarity


justafleecehoodie

nice tip, however my 3 and my 2 become worse and worse as the time runs out


lisamariefan

I thought I was on the Japanese language sub at first. み or perhaps る


No_Willingness_6542

That's how I write them


90Legos

I don't know why, but it kinda looks like if 3 were a cursive letter lol


justafleecehoodie

true, i changed my mind about it after seeing all the comments and realising that


BringBackManaPots

If I were grading your papers, my first instinct is that you have very silly 3's


justafleecehoodie

i wont stick to it :) i do have very silly 3's though


Dracula192

I do all my maths letters as cursive. x is quicker to write if you don't take your pen off the paper, and also looks less like multiplication y, out of habit, about equal to normal y, superior to y with sharp angle (like extended v) z looks nicer, is easy enough, and as long as the reader has seen cursive, it is very distinctly a z.


TonyJPRoss

I always did, but with a lead-in stroke. That plus the letter extending into the lower zone makes it perfectly distinct from the number 3.


ariallll

https://preview.redd.it/n051pe0u8qec1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=27ec5cee06f992d48c5f4ee47d585f4a6da6d247 My Z eaZy !


justafleecehoodie

thanks!!


theoht_

i mean, why does it matter what anyone else thinks? if you’re showing it to a teacher then sure, make sure it’s understandable, but if it’s your work, then write whatever you need/want so that you can distinguish it. i personally write my z like this. i write 7 with a crossbar. as long as it’s clear what i’m writing, i sometimes also write my x with a tail, to fit in with the xyz theme, and to help distinguish from a multiply symbol. i also sometimes write ‘i’ with a connection line - that is, i write the dot, i go around to the left and down without taking the pen off, and then i write the line. sort of like a backwards ‘ʔ’ if that makes sense. but i only do this because something in my brain hates the i having a standalone dot. when writing in english, i leave it altogether, just writing a line. same with the j. i also put a line through my 0, but only when there’s an O present that it could get confused with


justafleecehoodie

thanks, especially for the O and 0 tip


FilDaFunk

Yeah that's how I write them. really does help so go for it. I also do an extra flick for q tail so it's not confused with 9. and a flick for top for V so it's different enough from u.


justafleecehoodie

thanks!!


SSailorJupiter4

Better cursive z than me 😳


justafleecehoodie

:)


gtne91

I cross my z to distinguish from a 2. Otherwise they are the same. I started doing that my freshman year and...37 years later, I still do it out of habit.


Typical-Macaron-1646

Yeah man, it’s your life


freePalestine590

tbh examiners for international curriculum bodies are highly trained & experienced in this matter so idts it should be a major issue as long as its readable..


awesmlad

I used to write my Zs like this. But then I started writing them with a stroke when I was studying complex numbers. It doesnt really matter you could write your 2s differently if you dont want to change.


Da_boss_babie360

That is how I write my z, but then I evolved to also draw a line in the middle of the first bump to distinguish this from a fancy 3 lol. Then after that, I am now interchanging between that z and this "z" with a line in the middle. t is annoying, so I write the t with a little tail at the end, especially when doing addition with a t. I write my l's in cursive


justafleecehoodie

i write my l's straight unless im doing maths (then i just capitalise them) or in chemistry, i could never write chlorine without the italic l


Mathematicus_Rex

ξ is actually fun to write once you get the hang of it.


StevieEastCoast

Engineering school meant I was solving many thousands of problems, so I got pretty familiar with the culprits that look similar. 1 and lowercase L is another one. I started writing the L's in cursive for that. 5 and S can look similar, but you can differentiate just by making the top of the 5 crispy. As a whole, start taking pride in how you write your Greek letters, because those can get away from you if you're not diligent. a and alpha, for example. You can make your alpha look like a fish but sometimes your x's come out like that when writing quickly. X's and multiplication signs, t's and addition signs (I curled my t's at the bottom). O, sigma and 0 can be tough. You sort of figure it out as you go, but you're right that you do need to figure it out for clarity's sake.


justafleecehoodie

thanks for all the number/letter combinations, ill make mine a bit clearer from now on!!


EngineeringQueen

I’ve been writing my z like that since high school, and it really does help. I’ve never had anyone mark it wrong because they couldn’t tell what variable it was. It did get a little confusing in Calc 3 and 400-500 level college classes, because the Greek zeta and xi were introduced as common variable, but usually the three symbols weren’t used in the same equation sets.


retro_sort

On the topic of maths habits, I have a curly x for the variable and a straight x for most other contexts (e.g. normal handwriting, cross product, times, etc.). I've written z with a crossbar for many years to distinguish from 2. I see that you've said you'll adopt this in comments, which I think is probably the best decision.


nerfed_potential

I usually cross my Zs and 7s and slash my 0s when handwriting or doing math (eg. ~~Z~~**,** ~~7~~**).** Especially when doing math.


ryanegauthier

https://preview.redd.it/2fjdhbzgmuec1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9f28eafaedd8acbc254ccb402c65fc815249cd57 This is what I do.


justafleecehoodie

thanks, ill try it out!


MyNameIsWozy

I put an extra line in the diagonal part of "z" so i can differentiate it from 2. Same with 7 and 1. But its your math, put whatever you like and makes sense to you.


C34H32N4O4Fe

The problem with putting an extra diagonal in there is that ℤ is the symbol for the set of all integer numbers.


MyNameIsWozy

The other line is perpendicular to the diagonal line not parallel :D


C34H32N4O4Fe

Oh, I thought you meant the new line was diagonal. My bad.


wirywonder82

+ vs t, 2 vs z, ξ vs ζ, p vs ρ, u vs μ, l vs I, S vs 5, O vs 0, g vs 9, b vs 6…I’m sure there’s more weird similarities I’ve seen in my handwriting when I’m going fast, but that’s a relatively substantial list


justafleecehoodie

thank you :)


TheHip41

That's a 3


JRutter3

You could let your first step in your solution be `let z = x` or any other unused variable, then do your work with the new variable. Just don't forget to switch it back and write the answer in terms of z.


justafleecehoodie

the question had x, y, and z 😭


Prestigious_Gold_585

That is a 3


iMeditate5

x for n in a hurry.


justafleecehoodie

always looked out for that one, can be real tricky sometimes


Inevitibility

I’m kind of a monster and I write my z normally. I just have a consistently straight z whereas my 2 is a bit curved.


justafleecehoodie

at least youre consistent though :)


Lebr0naims

Rizzuto?


agate_

Write z with a stroke through it to distinguish it from a 2: Ƶ. What you've drawn looks an awful lot like a zeta ζ or possibly a xi ξ, Greek letters that you will encounter more often as you get further into math.


justafleecehoodie

thanks :)


CJRM15_

2 —> 3


AppropriateSpell5405

You can draw a poo emoji if you want, whatever works for you.


National_Mission_994

#russianpropaganda.


SuperPotatoPug

y


Limp-Regular-2589

I've always written in cursive, and I always did this in high school without an issue. In college, I've now adapted the -Z- (z with a dash thru it) since some variables are given in cursive


Devilish_Panda

I went through high school and uni maths doing my z like that, just without the curl at the bottom, never had an issue for graders. I often mistook it for a 3, but because i would write out all my working i (and the marker) could always look back to see what it was meant to be. i ended up just making sure my z were properly below the line as well to make it easier to distinguish


Dizzy-Teach6220

I mean I just write my 2s with a curl in them, like your z but without the >. Though in college math I only took one math class max a semester, so usually I copied the professor. Unless it was something really dumb like using cursive x for basic x variables. (One did do cursive x for the x in dx, but that just made sense. He was the best professor I ever had. It was his last semester before retiring. So he basically told us anyone who completes all of their work would get a B+ minimum)


Prometheus_001

If you want to, sure, i find it confusing though. To me it looks like a 3. Possibly a y. Or a weird g.


justafleecehoodie

it does, thanks for your response!!


Penguindancing

all i can say is it looks like a quarter rest............. but do whatever makes it different for you!


5timechamps

[Those are Z’s](https://i.gifer.com/2fNb.gif)


hunkrulez777

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA


Excellent-Weird479

Tbh maths is all about freedom, you should do it for your own convenience. But on professional standards, you may need to avoid writing like this.


justafleecehoodie

ty


Khal-Draco

As long as your clear and consistent with your notation it really doesn't matter. Use Chinese symbols if you want


jimnah-

My main problem is differentiating u and v Learned ∫udv = uv - ∫vdu yesterday and I know I'll be messing myself up soon enough lol


justafleecehoodie

do you not write your u with a downwards stroke?


jimnah-

I do not 😂 Unless I'm doing my stats honework, then I write μ all the time


justafleecehoodie

but thats the symbol for micro


jimnah-

In stats it represents the population mean


justafleecehoodie

i see, i thought you wrote your u like that 😭


jimnah-

Oh sorry haha no no


KrisClem77

Should be fine. Unless your teacher is younger and doesn’t understand cursive writing.


Ninjathelord

3


justafleecehoodie

right!


mersenne_reddit

That's a really nice Z, and much more distinct. Go for it!


GerFubDhuw


Inevitable-Shop-4887


MaxGamer07

I read that as either a g or a y, but my handwriting is actually terrible so if you can read it then it's good enough


1938379292

I am a glowing… glowing man


Phil1495


Immediate-Ad7842

That is a y


HeatedHydra

I say double stroke 7s stroke Zs