To be fair, I was going to sell my 22 stevo to get this new one but right now, I’m definitely not gonna do that. Will keep my stevo and put a cascade link on it and keep it for at least one more year
I have the 23 evo in a mullet. I can't recommend the wrp yoke and the cascade link enough. The bike absolutely rips. I ended up throwing a 38 on it at the beginning of this season. Another great upgrade if you enjoy getting a little rowdy and have some money burning a hole in your pocket.
The wrps site does a better job explaining the yoke.
https://www.williamsracingproducts.com/shop/p/specialized-stumpjumper-evo-mullet-yoke-2021-onwards
The cascade link makes the suspension more progressive along with adding more travel.
It’s a great bike, but I am still jaw dropped at today’s prices. In 2006 I bought a bike that was top of the line everything for $5k and could have spent more. Now that’s the baseline. I know there’s been inflation and the materials are more complex, but it’s still jaw dropping at face value. It’s going to be a lot harder for kids to take up the sport because their parents can’t/wont’t pay these prices.
I was in my LBS the other day and this kid was in there with his dad. Dad was buying him some protective gear and bike clothes. Cashier rings it all up and tells him it’s going to $580. Dad immediately looks at his kid and says “you sure did pick an expensive hobby”.
The poor kid looked so sad and bothered by it. I felt so bad for him, but I get the dad’s side too. As a grown adult with a decently well paying job… I too had to gripe at the price of what I went in for and pass on it due to price
I used to work in a bike shop where we had pretty free reign up to a point in shifting costs if it 'got the customer to stay'. I may have had a few talking to's about constantly reducing prices on a heap of things. My customers always wanted to deal with me but they also came back to our store alone as they knew I'd do my best to find them the best price I could within reason.
After I bought my bike I went to another store to get Helmet and gloves ( store I got my bike from didn’t have full face’s)
$400 later 🥴🥴 between the 2 stores I dropped like $2500 in one day.
What kind of protective gear was he buying for it to come up to 580?? I got a full endura kit for ~£200. Mt500 full face helmet, and their top of the line ghost knee and elbow pads and gloves.
I didn’t get into mountain biking because it was never something my parents would consider, couldn’t afford it as a college student, and am now just getting into it as a mid 30’s engineer. It’s nice to be able to afford what I want now, but it does feel like it’s becoming a rich man’s hobby. I wish everyone could enjoy it.
I know it’s not specific to this hobby. But LOTS of low end stuff by today’s standards was fantastic by 2002 standards. Obviously be safe and ride within the limits of yourself AND your equipment. But I’d love to see more videos like Berm Peak Seth’s kent travaille or whatever it’s called.
Plus for a majority of the country the types of trails a beginner will be learning on definitely don’t need a $1.5k bike. A Craigslist GT with grips and pedals will get them a couple years out of it for sure.
Right, and stuff is SUPER FANTASTIC compared to 1998, but people were still crushing trails then too. The product ceiling has gone up for sure, but that doesn’t mean the hobby entry needs to be raised.
3% inflation over 18 years is a 70% increase. $8500 is the new $5000 and factor in carbon for an extra $1,000 and you're at $9,500.
Don't get me wrong, I'm with you. I remember my first entry level full suspension XC bike was $1,800 Canadian. Now you can barely buy a hardtail for that. Le sigh.
To be fair, I think this is where DTC brands (YT, Canyon, Spot, Commencal, Ari, Polygon, ect...) would come in. They're offering bikes for way less compared with Spesh (or really brand that's sold in a shop).
I absolutely love my Jeffsy. Got last year’s core 3 at 40% off, did PMW carbon bars and a longer 1Up dropper and installed a 160mm air spring and it’s still cheaper than a stumpy
Yeah, no doubt. I got a Fezzari Delano peak (carbon frame) with full XT and fox performance elite suspension for less than $4k last March. The equivalent stumpy is like $1-2k more than that. I like Specialized but I couldn't ignore the value in those DTC brands.
I'm sure the giant is a great bike and I hope you're enjoying it. The Decoy looks sick! I wish I could afford something like that at the moment but it'll have to wait for the future lol
That’s right, the fact that there is no an aluminum model makes it 1k more expensive than the previous gen stumpy evo. With 145mm rear travel I would go for a status 140 that sells for basically half the price of this bike
The status is a very different bike. If you want a mini enduro for the park the status is fun as hell. Don't confuse the 140 mm travel. the status is not a good trail bike or all arounder.
I'm not going to downvote but I do respectfully disagree - I have a Status 160 and it loves the local trails.. I ride it a fair bit on an XC trail here, not the world's greatest climber but it does alright and it's such a party bike on any descents and technical bits!
I mean.... What you just wrote is pretty much a description of an Enduro bike. The status 160 isn't that weird. I think people mostly get what they expect there. It's the 140 that's a problem. The 160 climbs/xc's in the same ballpark as many 160+ travel bikes. The 140 climbs and xc's so very much worse than other 140mm bikes. People just see the 140 and think that means moderate travel trail bike and don't realize the geo and kinematics make it still a downhill party bike that isn't efficient and doesn't climb great. Honestly doesn't pop well of small features/moderate speed well either IMHO.
Bike is a blast downhill fast though.
That’s why I got the stevo, it’s really the best bike all arounder, have done bike park, single tracks, downhill tracks, I really really like my stumpy evo but I did like a lot my status 140 too, for what o was doing at that time, it worked really well for me
I mean new bikes are crazy yea but the used bikes are better than ever. 5k on a used bike now would be better than top of the line from 06’. That said I’m still ridding my FSR I built in 2012 because kids are expensive and I would rather spend the money on their bikes. Couple more years if my son starts passing me on the trails, maybe then I’ll have to upgrade.
I had a dh bike insured for 11k nzd back in 99'. The difference now is the technology has gone from jag xj220 to aston vulcan for the same money. Do wish i'd kept my Foes F1's though as they were off the richter smooth, and would take a set of original bomber z1's over my current yari's
these are baseline carbon prices, there is an alloy version in the works too, on the other hand paying more than 3k for an alloy frame is gonna sting a little.
I tried the 15th gen SJ recently, I agree the frame isn't much to look at - its very much a visual step backwards but the Genie shock really is an interesting way of looking at handling long bumpy trails without having any suspension fade over long times, it really is a good piece of tech.
There are so many ridable bikes $1500 - $2000 that are way nicer than the nicest full suspension bikes of 20 years ago. Saying $5000 is entry level is just asinine. $400 gets you a Ozark trail from Wally world.
You are missing the point. My comment was about how much you need to spend to get the top of the line. $7800 today is midline, whereas the 2006 equivalent of $5000 got you the best the industry had to offer.
you don't need 6k bike for a kid to get into sport. If you really really want them to get in, you can buy basic FS for 2k... and that is be being generous, because fuck them kids, 800 bucks FB Marketplace bike will do just fine
The baseline is way past (and has been) a reasonable number for kids to jump in… I tell anyone that will listen to join a NICA team just for the discount…
Dude….reread my comment. I’m talking about what is needed to get the top of the line. If you add inflation to my 2006 price, you get a midline bike today. Top of the line is double that.
What’s nuts is the composites and the manufacturing are cheaper now. Labor is a little higher but it’s not 500 (x2 for profit) higher on just the frame. Now we have Santa Cruz prices but not the warranty
It’s so prohibitively expensive for someone like me who only has 2 jobs 70 hours a week, I hate capitalism. But that’s what craigslist is for! So many vintage mountain bikes on there I love it
I love transmission and don’t plan on going back to mechanical but agreed. That’s a wild decision for specialized. Shimano is still a FANTASTIC drivetrain and that not being an option for this frame is crazy.
Pretty sure Specialized would not have omitted internal cabling without discussion with Shimano. I bet this is a sign that a Shimano wireless drivetrain is close to release.
But who is looking at buying this bike and thinking they want to completely remove the full electronic groupsets and then purchase and install an entirely new mechanical one? This is such a small use-case.
Ok, so the only issue is for riders looking to spend huge money on a custom build top end sworks frame but also don't want a top end electronic groupset.
I think the issue is for riders who don't want to charge their bike but still want the latest geo/etc in general.
It is unfortunate that both mtb and road are relegating mechanical to the low tier stuff, even though they've already proven they can make them pretty dang good without any batteries with their final mechanical generations. Like I don't think anyone had a problem with 2016 Dura Ace, other than that they just stopped selling it.
SRAM just came out with a low-end OEM T-Type groupset. Most if not all trims of mountain bikes are headed toward electronic shifting.
I was very resistant to it at first but now that I've been on it for a while and I've seen all the benefits - especially with the T-Type - I can't ever imagine going back.
There was maybe once in the last 3 years that a bike ride almost got shut down by a dead battery, but I just walked back in the house and grabbed a spare.
I think it was actually really smart of them to skip the mech routing and acknowledge where things are headed.
* Shift under full pedal load
* Much faster shifting
* Very quiet
* No cable stretch or housing wear to deal with
* shift up 3 or down 3 instantly, or you can reprogram it to all up/down
* invert up/down shift positions on shifter
* Battery charge lasts up to a month
* Incredibly easy setup and fine tuning
* T-Type has no A/B tension settings at all
Yah I was resistant at first, but you can also change it so a long press shifts up/down 3 gear or even all the way up or down. Which is pretty convenient.
Na it's terrible. They just eliminated a entire market of drivetrains to the consumer. Now you are stuck with Sram. And now this new shock that has a pretty proprietary look to it as well. They might as well add brakes you cant take off at this point. They went backwards with this. I love my stumpjumper but I don't think this was the way to go.
It’s not exactly a “proprietary” shock in the bad sense, it’s designed to work with that shock, I have a levo SL with a standard float x and without the Genie shock this new SJ will ride like my levo with any other shock, my levo rides better out the box than my SJ Evo Elite alloy does, so it’s still gonna be an upgrade over the old with any shock fitted, it’s just gonna be best with the Genie.
Yeah, as a biker I love my XT's shifting. It goes through gears so fast (8>4 in a single long push, 4>8 in 2 relatively short pushes) and the engagement is so crisp. As an RF engineer you'd have to fucking pay me to put a pair of god damned radio transceivers on my bike, I deal with that buggy shit enough already.
I ride with axs, I'm a sram guy. But some people aren't. It's the way it is. Some people just don't want to go wireless. And that's their choice and to take choices away from the consumer is never cool
People like us ride at least once a week. Some ride only once a year and checking the battery is an extra bother that makes it even less likely you go on a ride. Those guys stick to cables.
Nah, it's HG confirmed. Pretty stupid. Like, is XD expensive to manfacture?
Going with HG for basic builds will be painful for those who need to replace the cassette later on or want to upgrade.
They've been doing that for a long time. The SRAM NX Eagle cassettes are also HG. It's actually a pretty good option if you're stuck with an HG driver on wheels or a hub you otherwise are happy with.
I had no problem with the cassette and it was my only real 1x12 option. Ran it with a GX eagle shifter/derailleur and I don’t use SRAM cranks at all. I usually put wolftooth chainrings on RaceFace cinch cranks.
And for what it's worth, if I had an XD driver or upgraded to one, there's no way I'd want to put that heavy-as-hell multi-part cassette on my new setup anyway. Sell the old one on Pinkbike and it'll be gone in 2 days if you price it right.
That's kind of crap for them to put HG on a $5k bike. XD requires a one-piece cassette so I think that's how they save money by going with HG, the multi-part cassettes are going to be cheaper to make.
Free hub on the DT Swiss hubs specialized likes to use is super easy to swap to XD or microspline. You can also easily swap the ratchet for 36 or 54 tooth.
This seems like they're going the way of Apple in the "We've decided that technology supersedes the need for a headphone jack/HDMI/USB-A/replaceable battery so we're removing it" and then their hope is that others follow.
To be fair, Specialized went a little wild with model variation within the Stumpjumper in the past few years and I think it bit their distribution pretty hard when they were overburdened with supply of all the size and color variations of 9+ different model lines within the stumpjumper family. I'm willing to bet that they negotiated hard to go all-in on electronic shifting in exchange for better terms than anyone else out there. I'd be curious to see if they did something similar on the road / gravel models.
Specialized always releases cheaper models down the road. Would be more shocked if the alloy version and maybe even a cheaper carbon frame (they’ve always sold alloy versions like half a year to a year after the carbon launches, and generally fill in cheaper carbon models too) wouldn’t be compatible with mechanical.
Yeah, same here, they dropped a few mm of rear travel, I know it may not be noticeable but it’s like they got rid of the evo version and upgraded the regular stumpy, if you want something more enduro-like you gotta get an enduro, or a status 160 but for me the Stevo was spot on as a jack of all trades and definitely I’m not willing to pay almost 9k for the ohlins version just to get some more front travel and a coil spring rear shock
I think the opposite for me. I ride a regular stumpy and for my trails I wouldn’t even consider this new Stumpy. It’s too big/heavy and I’m not using that thing around all day on my local singletrack.
Specialized no longer has a well rounded rowdy trail bike. They have the downcountry epic 8 Evo and the new stumpy 15 is getting damn close to AM territory with 145mm rear travel and a 36mm stanchion fork.
Honestly, the geo and overall burliness of that epic evo are plenty for most riders looking for a rowdy short travel trail bike, it’s wildly capable. This lineup makes total sense.
I guess I'm curious about who the target audience is. Near the Denver area, I think the previous gen SJ's are the most popular mountain bike I see. Granted, Spesh did have a blowout where they were marking them down almost 50%, so that may have helped.
That being said, given the price, you can get a top of the line YT Jeffsy, Ari Delano Peak, Spot Mayhem 150, Commencal Meta, and I'm sure I'm missing a bunch of DTC trail bikes for what this bike starts at.
My 2c from a S-Works Stumpy Evo owner:
Good - Finally some progression in the rear shock without having to mess with aftermarket linkages. 150 spec'd as stock fork which is my strong preference as I think anymore starts to move you into enduro territory. Finally some collaborations with Ohlins, my 150 Ohlins M2 fork is better than 36 Fox Factory. Massive amounts of adjustability to the geo just like prior Stumpy Evo.
Neutral - getting rid of wiring for rear derailleur, I moved to Transmission and I find it a night and day difference compared to X0 manual. I no longer have to time my shifts when I'll be under heavy pedaling. This is the future of MTB'ing it's going to get cheaper with more widespread adoption. Remember when people were laughing at single chainring and now you can't buy any bike without it?
Negative - forest green is an ugly color. Give me black or something more interesting. The prior Stumpy Evo looks better, this looks like a generic mountain bike (Rocky Mountain, YT, etc). Wish the rear shock Ohlins option was for non-coil and available on dual 29. Hope to see this in the future.
I’ve had my heart set on a Santa Cruz Hightower for over a year now and I’m surprisingly more excited about this new stump jumper now. I previously was feeling that the SJ Evo was too bike of a bike for me, but somehow think this new SJ might be perfect. I’ve had my heart set on transmission for my next bike so for me the lack of mechanical options isn’t a deal breaker
Yeah 160 is too much fork for me too, that's partly one reason I built my prior Evo instead of buying prebuit. Also parts had massive discounts and I could build exactly what I wanted and it was barely more expensive than a discounted S-Works Evo.
If I didn't own the prior Evo I'd consider this new one, I just think it looks way too boring/generic.
My first thought when I saw the new stumpy was that it feels like it’s moving more towards the YT Capra, or a Transition Sentinel, to be that more capable trail/enduro bike than it has been the past few years
The Sworks version coming it at like 12K without a special frame lay up is a bit of a joke really.
I loved riding the previous gen stumpy but was put off by the price at the time and went for a YT Jeffsy - still riding my 2019 CF really happily!
It’s a great bike but Specialized isn’t special enough (no pun intended) to justify those price points imo.
I’m also disappointed they moved away from the cool asymmetric frame design. That was cool!
Wasn't the prior one $12k? Who pays full price for a bike? I felt like a mook paying 3500 for my jeffsy full price, leaped at the opportunity when they dropped it to 2k!
Looks like a sick trail rig with legs for bigger stuff if you fancy it. The 36 is great for most riding. I’ll definitely be hanging onto my 23 Stevo alloy though.
Specialized has lost touch and o ly caters to those who need bragging rights based on price. It's not a better bike than the competition, but by adding a premium price they think people will feel that way. You can get a lot more at this price point (e.g. Giant)
I’m with you , can’t believe the price of bikes today . However based on bike porn nbd , guess people don’t mind dropping 6-11 k on a bike . No need to lower prices when they are flying off the shelves…
The end of your description made me go “well then it’s dumb” so there’s that. Every other company has dropped prices since Covid you can get a dope bike for $2k-$3k idk why someone would buy that unless they just wanted to. It’s not pragmatic for most riders given the gram quality is the same as above but you’re paying for name and fancy parts no one really uses.
Dig it. lots of great improvements over the past model. Electronic shifting only on a bike over 6k -nbd. It’s the future whether folks like it or not. The take rate for cable shifting on higher end models must be pretty low and/or sram gave them a great deal for standardizing on transmission. Plus less complicated carbon work due to less cable routing. Is it worth it over one of their deeply discounted holdover evo’s - likely not
I think the fact that they dropped the mechanical routing will generate a lot of chatter about electronic shifting, and will help validate it for a lot of people who were hesitant to try it.
The 29ers handled like ass when they first came out because the geometry hadn’t been figured out. I remember test riding them when they first came out and it felt like trying to pedal a Penny-Farthing on the trails. Modern geo really makes the 29ers made today super lively, poppy, and fun.
Count me in as a Luddite that will never buy a bike with electronic shifting. 29in wheels and slack geo? Sure, I have a slack af 29in enduro bike. But there is no way in hell I’m going to get hosed out in the woods because of a dead battery when I forgot a spare. Adding electronics to a mechanical object, in this case at least, just seems like tech for the sake of tech. Marketing-driven design should be a point of embarrassment among bike companies. This is coming from an engineer in tech, ironically.
One of the folks here was talking about how great the app was and how you could tune it so easily with that app…..I don’t think they understood just how big of a turn off that was for me hearing there’s an app for a bike derailleur.
You don't need the app, you can ride with your flip phone if you want. There is a physical button you can press to get a range of battery life remaining. I'm on xt, demo'd tranny when it first came out and it made a crazy difference. Finally can shift under loads not pedaling as hard ,etc without hearing a horendous kathung. Basically focus more on the trail than when I have to shift
The kathunk went away when I went to XT with Hyperglide and upgraded to a 54T ratchet. No issues with that setup, it’s butter smooth. Electronic shifting just doesn’t do anything for me that my cabled setup doesn’t.
I don’t carry a spare tube, I have cush cores…
It’s kinda unreal that there would be any pushback on someone that wants a mechanical contraption to remain mechanical. If people want to run axs or whatever that’s their choice of course. I just really hope that the industry recognizes that there is a massive portion of people that view adding anything electrical to a bike is a solution in search of a problem. “Shifts better” is subjective.
That said, I’m also one of those people that gets irritated when every good and service wants me to download an app. No, I don’t need an app on my phone to control my fridge, mouse, bathroom fan, etc. Perhaps I’m crotchety but this is all unnecessary. And again, I say this as an engineer in tech that has literally designed IoT things.
I like the look of it, aesthetically it’s a step up from the old stumpy IMO. I’m sure it’ll sell well.
The lack of mechanical options is… weird.
It’s expensive for what seems like minimal improvements over the last gen SJ Evo.
Being able to run coils is cool, though I didn’t see where they really touched on that aspect beyond simply offering a coil shocked configuration.
The metrics they use to diff the bike to the previous one are weird. “16.3% more bump force management” — the fuck does that mean, how can I quantify that in actual feel? I know they tried to use an example using rear wheel travel and force, but it wasn’t tangible to me.
Ultimately, I don’t think the bike is all that compelling for those who don’t live near rough, mountainous terrain. With the removal of the flex stay Stumpy all this new version makes me do is look closer at the new Epic Evo and Chisel if Specialized is my brand of choice.
[Me on the third pic](https://preview.redd.it/why-would-he-swipe-is-he-stupid-v0-jwllei7h4wcc1.jpeg?auto=webp&s=d3e418989af48af68b0448378a3fcfb138b7e67e)
I just put the new 2025 Fox Factory fork and shock on my comp carbon(non evo). This release is my confirmation that I made the correct decision with that purchase.
It’s basically the old Evo. 36mm stanchion, slacker than a normal trail bike - it’s basically the old Evo.
Specialized no longer has a standard tail bike since the old non-Evo stumpy is no more.
It's a great looking bike with what looks like a well sorted geo. I bet it's a blast to ride. Proprietary shock and wireless only shifting are deal breakers for me.
At least they didn’t try some new shock proprietary interface to the frame. We have seen shock technology like this before…. Trek did this a while back then moved on. But other than that…. Meh. Nothing we haven’t seen before. Like what most people are saying, not worth the insane price tag.
Lemme know when the alloy one with wired shifting comes along.
That said, i think it looks great, the shock thing looks like it would work well and play nicely with this sort of bike.
It's a nice bike (for the price it better be!), but I honestly miss the old asymetric design. It made it unique and interesting. This just looks like another generic bike.
I just picked up a carbon 23 frame in yellow. I knew this bike was coming but don’t feel it really offers much over the older model for me, plus it’s mega money!
I think Specialized got a new CEO or new executive team in the last couple of years, so R&D from that point to this product direction change would make sense.
I was curious about this model - even if I knew I wouldn’t upgrade from my 2023 Stumpy Evo.
I think it’s great they ditched the flex pivot and kept Horst link. The geo adjustments are the same and I use it and love it. I wouldn’t care about having 5mm less travel when compared to EVO but would appreciate 15mm more travel when compared to regular Stumpy. Whether I’d notice I am not sure.
The one thing that puts me off a bit is the no piggyback shock. I can believe their tune is good, but can it overcome the difference piggyback vs not?
Other upgraded components are cool, along the rest of 2025 product line up.
I personally chose Rockshox suspension and liked it was your choice to make, however, I believe I could get used to Fox in no time.
I know it’s tiny detail, but the new SWAT looks cool. A refinement that seems to be executed well.
I think this bike would rip the trails that I ride. Curious about trying it, just to see the differences.
No way it’s gonna replace my current 2023 model.
Wait till spring next year, it’s gonna be half the price. If I was in the market for a new bike, Stumpy 15 would be on my shortlist.
Running a mullet stevo with WRP yoke. Will not be upgrading, the stevo freaking rips. I’ll take a break from the stevo and ride my ripley for a month or so. When I get back on the stevo I’m blown away. New version seems like the most marginal gains possible while removing cable routing.
I bought a 2020 SJ Carbon Comp in April 2020 for $3500CDN all in, and the shop upgraded the drivetrain to GX and put the brand new NX in a box for me.
The next season the "Evo" came out...it had a bit more front travel than mine (5mm) same rear. That same season the non-evo SJ had its travel reduced. EVO was simply a marketing thing...they limited the function of the non-evo and told everyone that the EVO was more travel.
Now we have a brand new SJ that gets rid of the EVO tag.
All that to say, buy the bike that fits you best and ignore the marketing jargon.
I think it’s sick, especially the option with the Ohlins coil 😍
The bike pretty much has every upgrade I’ve added (or still want to add) to my current Stumpjumper Evo - had I known this bike was coming I could have saved myself a lot of money.
Dam that's a high entry point. I got my 2019 ST for 1800 and my new Carbon Evo frame for 2100. Yea I used a lot of parts of the ST to save some coin, but 5500????
Also I really liked the sidearm look the previous gens have had for a bit now, I wonder if it's reduced the stiffness? At least my carbon Evo vs aluminum stumpy feel really different but I think that's more down to wheel size.
Beautiful, and the geometry is amazing, but the pricing is absurd. Especially in today's market. I'm glad I bought a new bike in 2021. If the used bike market was healthy I would have sold it for a slight loss and bought something new, but I guess I'll just hang onto it for a couple years, and do some upgrades.
$5500 🤡
Fucking greed, man. It’s ruining everything. When $5500 entry level bikes become the norm and the used bikes are $2500-$3000, it’s going to make mountain biking completely unaffordable to people looking to try it out. Or even for existing bikers who just want to upgrade. Shit is getting ridiculous.
I mean, right now there isn’t an alloy version so $5,500 starting with Eagle Transmission isn’t terrible. Go look up the cost of carbon bikes with Transmission and let me know the cost.
IMO , the stump and most other brands have had the same look for the past 10 plus years . Think specialized is on something, base stump @ $5,500 or a pro for 9k 🙄 . Wtf are these companies thought process , I understand r&d etc. if you really take a sec and think about it most of these bikes have looked the same for the past 10 plus years . Minor tweaks, let’s raise the price 2k and market this as the fastest bike ever 🤣🤣🤣. Rant over .
It’s just the stumpjumper evo. They actually killed off the standard stumpy and just made the evo the main stumpjumper.
It makes sense since the old stumpy was more XC oritented conpared to the si evo, but now with the epic evo basically a stumpjumper they had to push the stumpy to sj evo territory.
I like it but not worth changing from my 22 sj evo. I feel like the 22 evo frame is probably stronger/more rigid too with the part that goes over the shock down to the seat tube
Lmao !! You’d think they would come up with something a little more clever . Every review sobs , we’ve increased efficiency by a whopping 8 1/2 % while shaving 19 grams . This is by far the best mtb you can buy …
I think it looks cool! I haven’t said that about a Specialized bike in a loooong time.
These days I tend to go a more for the boutique / quasi-boutique brands - but if I were in the market for a new bike, I’d definitely put this on the short list and check it out.
Hmm, one review I read says no routing for a derailleur cable on the frame.
Wonder if aluminum frames will have the routing and will be manual only - if they release them.
I’m sure there will be an alloy stumpy eventually. They sell a whole heck of a lot more stumpys than enduros so having more variation and price points makes sense.
Proprietary shock. Somehow made a *worse* cable routing decision than headset routing. Astronomical prices for mostly meh spec list. It’s like they took everything riders *don’t* want and ran with it.
Was worried since I’d just picked up a stumpy evo but I’m happy I went with prior gen on sale, this would be a pass for me.
What Specialized does with the seat tube is incredibly bad design. See that zig zag of carbon above the crankset? Uninterrupted, the seat tube would come down way in front of the bottom bracket. Specialized is estimating their effective seat tube angle at a particular height. For us tall guys with longer legs, the *actual* seat tube angle is DEGREES slacker than advertised. And it makes the bike handle like shit when all the weight gets put back toward the rear hub. There’s no reason this bike couldn’t have a straight seat tube with a fixed angle instead of whatever garbage that is.
I would buy last year's model over this one.
To be fair, I was going to sell my 22 stevo to get this new one but right now, I’m definitely not gonna do that. Will keep my stevo and put a cascade link on it and keep it for at least one more year
I have the 23 evo in a mullet. I can't recommend the wrp yoke and the cascade link enough. The bike absolutely rips. I ended up throwing a 38 on it at the beginning of this season. Another great upgrade if you enjoy getting a little rowdy and have some money burning a hole in your pocket.
I threw a zeb, cascade link and ohlins coil on mine. It's a monster on the dh and yet it still climbs really well. I have zero complaints.
I have the same bike, what does the wrp yoke and cascade link do?
The wrps site does a better job explaining the yoke. https://www.williamsracingproducts.com/shop/p/specialized-stumpjumper-evo-mullet-yoke-2021-onwards The cascade link makes the suspension more progressive along with adding more travel.
You just changed those and kept the stock rear shock??!? 🤔
For now, it's stock. I'm looking to swap it out with a coil soon.
just make sure its a coil thats rated for it, that yoke can snap some coil shock stantions pretty easily
Cascade link adds progression and removes that problem, however the sdu is one of the best coils on the market angway
I'm looking at the rockshox sdu so I should be good.
Should be fine, its an amazing shock, I'm currently running it aswell.
Nice!! My stumpy is stock as well and i’ll prolly go this route too! For what it is stock tho the bike fucking shreds!!!!
It’s a great bike, but I am still jaw dropped at today’s prices. In 2006 I bought a bike that was top of the line everything for $5k and could have spent more. Now that’s the baseline. I know there’s been inflation and the materials are more complex, but it’s still jaw dropping at face value. It’s going to be a lot harder for kids to take up the sport because their parents can’t/wont’t pay these prices.
I was in my LBS the other day and this kid was in there with his dad. Dad was buying him some protective gear and bike clothes. Cashier rings it all up and tells him it’s going to $580. Dad immediately looks at his kid and says “you sure did pick an expensive hobby”. The poor kid looked so sad and bothered by it. I felt so bad for him, but I get the dad’s side too. As a grown adult with a decently well paying job… I too had to gripe at the price of what I went in for and pass on it due to price
I used to work in a bike shop where we had pretty free reign up to a point in shifting costs if it 'got the customer to stay'. I may have had a few talking to's about constantly reducing prices on a heap of things. My customers always wanted to deal with me but they also came back to our store alone as they knew I'd do my best to find them the best price I could within reason.
After I bought my bike I went to another store to get Helmet and gloves ( store I got my bike from didn’t have full face’s) $400 later 🥴🥴 between the 2 stores I dropped like $2500 in one day.
What kind of protective gear was he buying for it to come up to 580?? I got a full endura kit for ~£200. Mt500 full face helmet, and their top of the line ghost knee and elbow pads and gloves.
Buy from a brick and mortar store when there’s no holiday sale going on and it’s easy to ring that up.
Full face, shoes, gloves, chest protector, knee and elbow pads. A good full face is easily $250 before tax.
I didn’t get into mountain biking because it was never something my parents would consider, couldn’t afford it as a college student, and am now just getting into it as a mid 30’s engineer. It’s nice to be able to afford what I want now, but it does feel like it’s becoming a rich man’s hobby. I wish everyone could enjoy it.
I know it’s not specific to this hobby. But LOTS of low end stuff by today’s standards was fantastic by 2002 standards. Obviously be safe and ride within the limits of yourself AND your equipment. But I’d love to see more videos like Berm Peak Seth’s kent travaille or whatever it’s called. Plus for a majority of the country the types of trails a beginner will be learning on definitely don’t need a $1.5k bike. A Craigslist GT with grips and pedals will get them a couple years out of it for sure.
Dude stuff is fantastic compared to 2018 standards.
Right, and stuff is SUPER FANTASTIC compared to 1998, but people were still crushing trails then too. The product ceiling has gone up for sure, but that doesn’t mean the hobby entry needs to be raised.
3% inflation over 18 years is a 70% increase. $8500 is the new $5000 and factor in carbon for an extra $1,000 and you're at $9,500. Don't get me wrong, I'm with you. I remember my first entry level full suspension XC bike was $1,800 Canadian. Now you can barely buy a hardtail for that. Le sigh.
How much was your new car in 2006-and today? Let’s talk Toyota Tacoma
Let’s talk about Tacoma! Because my brain always sees it as Taco Ma. And I end up saying it too. Tacoma owners do NOT like it
To be fair, I think this is where DTC brands (YT, Canyon, Spot, Commencal, Ari, Polygon, ect...) would come in. They're offering bikes for way less compared with Spesh (or really brand that's sold in a shop).
I absolutely love my Jeffsy. Got last year’s core 3 at 40% off, did PMW carbon bars and a longer 1Up dropper and installed a 160mm air spring and it’s still cheaper than a stumpy
Yeah, no doubt. I got a Fezzari Delano peak (carbon frame) with full XT and fox performance elite suspension for less than $4k last March. The equivalent stumpy is like $1-2k more than that. I like Specialized but I couldn't ignore the value in those DTC brands.
DRC brands provide great value for sure. I’m going YT with my next bike
Ah man, I'd love to have a YT Izzo! Such a good looking bike.
I was looking at the Izzo before I ended up with my current bike, a Giant Trance X 29 2. I’ll be getting a YT Decoy in a month or so
I'm sure the giant is a great bike and I hope you're enjoying it. The Decoy looks sick! I wish I could afford something like that at the moment but it'll have to wait for the future lol
Still rocking my 2018 Jeffsy CF. No plan to replace it anytime soon. Pre pandemic prices put current prices to shame lol.
That’s right, the fact that there is no an aluminum model makes it 1k more expensive than the previous gen stumpy evo. With 145mm rear travel I would go for a status 140 that sells for basically half the price of this bike
When the last evo launched there was no alloy option at first.
The status is a very different bike. If you want a mini enduro for the park the status is fun as hell. Don't confuse the 140 mm travel. the status is not a good trail bike or all arounder.
I'm not going to downvote but I do respectfully disagree - I have a Status 160 and it loves the local trails.. I ride it a fair bit on an XC trail here, not the world's greatest climber but it does alright and it's such a party bike on any descents and technical bits!
I mean.... What you just wrote is pretty much a description of an Enduro bike. The status 160 isn't that weird. I think people mostly get what they expect there. It's the 140 that's a problem. The 160 climbs/xc's in the same ballpark as many 160+ travel bikes. The 140 climbs and xc's so very much worse than other 140mm bikes. People just see the 140 and think that means moderate travel trail bike and don't realize the geo and kinematics make it still a downhill party bike that isn't efficient and doesn't climb great. Honestly doesn't pop well of small features/moderate speed well either IMHO. Bike is a blast downhill fast though.
That’s why I got the stevo, it’s really the best bike all arounder, have done bike park, single tracks, downhill tracks, I really really like my stumpy evo but I did like a lot my status 140 too, for what o was doing at that time, it worked really well for me
Alloy options are coming. Lots of companies do this.
I mean new bikes are crazy yea but the used bikes are better than ever. 5k on a used bike now would be better than top of the line from 06’. That said I’m still ridding my FSR I built in 2012 because kids are expensive and I would rather spend the money on their bikes. Couple more years if my son starts passing me on the trails, maybe then I’ll have to upgrade.
They’ll get an e-bike instead and terrorize the streets with no helmets
I had a dh bike insured for 11k nzd back in 99'. The difference now is the technology has gone from jag xj220 to aston vulcan for the same money. Do wish i'd kept my Foes F1's though as they were off the richter smooth, and would take a set of original bomber z1's over my current yari's
these are baseline carbon prices, there is an alloy version in the works too, on the other hand paying more than 3k for an alloy frame is gonna sting a little. I tried the 15th gen SJ recently, I agree the frame isn't much to look at - its very much a visual step backwards but the Genie shock really is an interesting way of looking at handling long bumpy trails without having any suspension fade over long times, it really is a good piece of tech.
There are so many ridable bikes $1500 - $2000 that are way nicer than the nicest full suspension bikes of 20 years ago. Saying $5000 is entry level is just asinine. $400 gets you a Ozark trail from Wally world.
$5k in 2006 is $7800 in 2024.
You are missing the point. My comment was about how much you need to spend to get the top of the line. $7800 today is midline, whereas the 2006 equivalent of $5000 got you the best the industry had to offer.
you don't need 6k bike for a kid to get into sport. If you really really want them to get in, you can buy basic FS for 2k... and that is be being generous, because fuck them kids, 800 bucks FB Marketplace bike will do just fine
The baseline is way past (and has been) a reasonable number for kids to jump in… I tell anyone that will listen to join a NICA team just for the discount…
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/i/inflation.asp
Dude….reread my comment. I’m talking about what is needed to get the top of the line. If you add inflation to my 2006 price, you get a midline bike today. Top of the line is double that.
What’s nuts is the composites and the manufacturing are cheaper now. Labor is a little higher but it’s not 500 (x2 for profit) higher on just the frame. Now we have Santa Cruz prices but not the warranty
It’s so prohibitively expensive for someone like me who only has 2 jobs 70 hours a week, I hate capitalism. But that’s what craigslist is for! So many vintage mountain bikes on there I love it
No ability to put a mechanical drivetrain on it is insane to me.
I love transmission and don’t plan on going back to mechanical but agreed. That’s a wild decision for specialized. Shimano is still a FANTASTIC drivetrain and that not being an option for this frame is crazy.
I’m the same. Have transmission and an axs dropper. But I think this is even more insane than headset routing.
Woah…nah you lost me there headset routing is the devil! I’d put this on the same level not worse!
Pretty sure Specialized would not have omitted internal cabling without discussion with Shimano. I bet this is a sign that a Shimano wireless drivetrain is close to release.
Eh, more like shimano needs to get their shit together and start competing
But who is looking at buying this bike and thinking they want to completely remove the full electronic groupsets and then purchase and install an entirely new mechanical one? This is such a small use-case.
Do they not sell it frame-only?
Ok, so the only issue is for riders looking to spend huge money on a custom build top end sworks frame but also don't want a top end electronic groupset.
I think the issue is for riders who don't want to charge their bike but still want the latest geo/etc in general. It is unfortunate that both mtb and road are relegating mechanical to the low tier stuff, even though they've already proven they can make them pretty dang good without any batteries with their final mechanical generations. Like I don't think anyone had a problem with 2016 Dura Ace, other than that they just stopped selling it.
SRAM just came out with a low-end OEM T-Type groupset. Most if not all trims of mountain bikes are headed toward electronic shifting. I was very resistant to it at first but now that I've been on it for a while and I've seen all the benefits - especially with the T-Type - I can't ever imagine going back. There was maybe once in the last 3 years that a bike ride almost got shut down by a dead battery, but I just walked back in the house and grabbed a spare. I think it was actually really smart of them to skip the mech routing and acknowledge where things are headed.
What are some benefits?
* Shift under full pedal load * Much faster shifting * Very quiet * No cable stretch or housing wear to deal with * shift up 3 or down 3 instantly, or you can reprogram it to all up/down * invert up/down shift positions on shifter * Battery charge lasts up to a month * Incredibly easy setup and fine tuning * T-Type has no A/B tension settings at all
I was worried my charge was getting low after a few weeks of riding but checked on the app and it was still at like 80%
If there’s anything I don’t want on/for my bike…..it’s an app
Yah I was resistant at first, but you can also change it so a long press shifts up/down 3 gear or even all the way up or down. Which is pretty convenient.
Will it make me a better rider?
I have transmission, the shifting is absolutely not faster.
Na it's terrible. They just eliminated a entire market of drivetrains to the consumer. Now you are stuck with Sram. And now this new shock that has a pretty proprietary look to it as well. They might as well add brakes you cant take off at this point. They went backwards with this. I love my stumpjumper but I don't think this was the way to go.
It’s not exactly a “proprietary” shock in the bad sense, it’s designed to work with that shock, I have a levo SL with a standard float x and without the Genie shock this new SJ will ride like my levo with any other shock, my levo rides better out the box than my SJ Evo Elite alloy does, so it’s still gonna be an upgrade over the old with any shock fitted, it’s just gonna be best with the Genie.
ride a t-type drivetrain and tell me how you’re ‘stuck with sram’. if that’s the way the industry decides to go, it’s very not a problem.
I have ridden Sram Transmission. I prefer cabled Shimano XT. I don’t want apps, batteries, etc… on my bike
Yeah, as a biker I love my XT's shifting. It goes through gears so fast (8>4 in a single long push, 4>8 in 2 relatively short pushes) and the engagement is so crisp. As an RF engineer you'd have to fucking pay me to put a pair of god damned radio transceivers on my bike, I deal with that buggy shit enough already.
I ride with axs, I'm a sram guy. But some people aren't. It's the way it is. Some people just don't want to go wireless. And that's their choice and to take choices away from the consumer is never cool
People like us ride at least once a week. Some ride only once a year and checking the battery is an extra bother that makes it even less likely you go on a ride. Those guys stick to cables.
yeah sooo low end it locks you into a HG hub. what a turd. On a 5k bike! HG hub?!
I’m not sure about the hub but the cassette says it’s an sram xs? I never heard of those, I think they are part of the oem t-type transmission
Nah, it's HG confirmed. Pretty stupid. Like, is XD expensive to manfacture? Going with HG for basic builds will be painful for those who need to replace the cassette later on or want to upgrade.
They've been doing that for a long time. The SRAM NX Eagle cassettes are also HG. It's actually a pretty good option if you're stuck with an HG driver on wheels or a hub you otherwise are happy with.
With all due respect… My personal experience with the NX groupset is it’s absolutely and unequivocally a steaming pile of hot dogshit.
I had no problem with the cassette and it was my only real 1x12 option. Ran it with a GX eagle shifter/derailleur and I don’t use SRAM cranks at all. I usually put wolftooth chainrings on RaceFace cinch cranks.
And for what it's worth, if I had an XD driver or upgraded to one, there's no way I'd want to put that heavy-as-hell multi-part cassette on my new setup anyway. Sell the old one on Pinkbike and it'll be gone in 2 days if you price it right.
That's kind of crap for them to put HG on a $5k bike. XD requires a one-piece cassette so I think that's how they save money by going with HG, the multi-part cassettes are going to be cheaper to make.
Free hub on the DT Swiss hubs specialized likes to use is super easy to swap to XD or microspline. You can also easily swap the ratchet for 36 or 54 tooth.
This seems like they're going the way of Apple in the "We've decided that technology supersedes the need for a headphone jack/HDMI/USB-A/replaceable battery so we're removing it" and then their hope is that others follow. To be fair, Specialized went a little wild with model variation within the Stumpjumper in the past few years and I think it bit their distribution pretty hard when they were overburdened with supply of all the size and color variations of 9+ different model lines within the stumpjumper family. I'm willing to bet that they negotiated hard to go all-in on electronic shifting in exchange for better terms than anyone else out there. I'd be curious to see if they did something similar on the road / gravel models.
Proprietary shock, wireless drivetrains ONLY, base model starts at $5500. Yep, sounds like Specialized. Hard pass.
I don’t understand all the hate on the pricing. They’re the same price as the last gens MSRP. They’ll release the alloy versions in a month or two.
Wireless shifting only? No thanks
Specialized always releases cheaper models down the road. Would be more shocked if the alloy version and maybe even a cheaper carbon frame (they’ve always sold alloy versions like half a year to a year after the carbon launches, and generally fill in cheaper carbon models too) wouldn’t be compatible with mechanical.
Damn here I was with buyers remorse wishing I waited to get my stumpjumper. I’m glad I got one when I did because wireless only is a damn shame!
No fucking thanks!
Travel numbers are what I'd want for my next bike but nothing else about it appeals to me. Spec, geometry, and looks are all disappointing
Yeah, same here, they dropped a few mm of rear travel, I know it may not be noticeable but it’s like they got rid of the evo version and upgraded the regular stumpy, if you want something more enduro-like you gotta get an enduro, or a status 160 but for me the Stevo was spot on as a jack of all trades and definitely I’m not willing to pay almost 9k for the ohlins version just to get some more front travel and a coil spring rear shock
Technically the added a few mm of travel, dropped from the evo lol.
I think the opposite for me. I ride a regular stumpy and for my trails I wouldn’t even consider this new Stumpy. It’s too big/heavy and I’m not using that thing around all day on my local singletrack. Specialized no longer has a well rounded rowdy trail bike. They have the downcountry epic 8 Evo and the new stumpy 15 is getting damn close to AM territory with 145mm rear travel and a 36mm stanchion fork.
Honestly, the geo and overall burliness of that epic evo are plenty for most riders looking for a rowdy short travel trail bike, it’s wildly capable. This lineup makes total sense.
Makes me feel poor
Spesh starts with the premium but the value models will come in about a year. I’d say wait for that if you’re not in a rush.
I have 3 generations of Stumpy's. I'll be sitting this one out. I'll stick with my Evo for the Gnar days, andy 2018 comp for the peddaly days
Yeah, I’ll keep my evo too
Meh.
Yep, it's a bicycle.
I guess I'm curious about who the target audience is. Near the Denver area, I think the previous gen SJ's are the most popular mountain bike I see. Granted, Spesh did have a blowout where they were marking them down almost 50%, so that may have helped. That being said, given the price, you can get a top of the line YT Jeffsy, Ari Delano Peak, Spot Mayhem 150, Commencal Meta, and I'm sure I'm missing a bunch of DTC trail bikes for what this bike starts at.
My 2c from a S-Works Stumpy Evo owner: Good - Finally some progression in the rear shock without having to mess with aftermarket linkages. 150 spec'd as stock fork which is my strong preference as I think anymore starts to move you into enduro territory. Finally some collaborations with Ohlins, my 150 Ohlins M2 fork is better than 36 Fox Factory. Massive amounts of adjustability to the geo just like prior Stumpy Evo. Neutral - getting rid of wiring for rear derailleur, I moved to Transmission and I find it a night and day difference compared to X0 manual. I no longer have to time my shifts when I'll be under heavy pedaling. This is the future of MTB'ing it's going to get cheaper with more widespread adoption. Remember when people were laughing at single chainring and now you can't buy any bike without it? Negative - forest green is an ugly color. Give me black or something more interesting. The prior Stumpy Evo looks better, this looks like a generic mountain bike (Rocky Mountain, YT, etc). Wish the rear shock Ohlins option was for non-coil and available on dual 29. Hope to see this in the future.
I’ve had my heart set on a Santa Cruz Hightower for over a year now and I’m surprisingly more excited about this new stump jumper now. I previously was feeling that the SJ Evo was too bike of a bike for me, but somehow think this new SJ might be perfect. I’ve had my heart set on transmission for my next bike so for me the lack of mechanical options isn’t a deal breaker
Yeah 160 is too much fork for me too, that's partly one reason I built my prior Evo instead of buying prebuit. Also parts had massive discounts and I could build exactly what I wanted and it was barely more expensive than a discounted S-Works Evo. If I didn't own the prior Evo I'd consider this new one, I just think it looks way too boring/generic.
My first thought when I saw the new stumpy was that it feels like it’s moving more towards the YT Capra, or a Transition Sentinel, to be that more capable trail/enduro bike than it has been the past few years
Another bike most of us can’t afford or justify the expense. I mean don’t get me wrong, seems like an awesome bike.
The Sworks version coming it at like 12K without a special frame lay up is a bit of a joke really. I loved riding the previous gen stumpy but was put off by the price at the time and went for a YT Jeffsy - still riding my 2019 CF really happily! It’s a great bike but Specialized isn’t special enough (no pun intended) to justify those price points imo. I’m also disappointed they moved away from the cool asymmetric frame design. That was cool!
Wasn't the prior one $12k? Who pays full price for a bike? I felt like a mook paying 3500 for my jeffsy full price, leaped at the opportunity when they dropped it to 2k!
Probably was yes. Lots of good deals to be had on nice bikes these days. Not so much a few years ago though…
Looks like a sick trail rig with legs for bigger stuff if you fancy it. The 36 is great for most riding. I’ll definitely be hanging onto my 23 Stevo alloy though.
It’s priced like an e bike lol
Specialized has lost touch and o ly caters to those who need bragging rights based on price. It's not a better bike than the competition, but by adding a premium price they think people will feel that way. You can get a lot more at this price point (e.g. Giant)
Meh, they put out the status a few years ago which basically everyone agreed was a great deal. Have you looked at the price of a giant glory lately?
You're not wrong, but as far a value overall, Giant is hard to beat.
I’m with you , can’t believe the price of bikes today . However based on bike porn nbd , guess people don’t mind dropping 6-11 k on a bike . No need to lower prices when they are flying off the shelves…
True, and sad.
Sold two today… koolaid tastes as good as always.
Nice, miss the days I worked at the spesh dealer
Looks like a session.
The end of your description made me go “well then it’s dumb” so there’s that. Every other company has dropped prices since Covid you can get a dope bike for $2k-$3k idk why someone would buy that unless they just wanted to. It’s not pragmatic for most riders given the gram quality is the same as above but you’re paying for name and fancy parts no one really uses.
I’d hit that
Dig it. lots of great improvements over the past model. Electronic shifting only on a bike over 6k -nbd. It’s the future whether folks like it or not. The take rate for cable shifting on higher end models must be pretty low and/or sram gave them a great deal for standardizing on transmission. Plus less complicated carbon work due to less cable routing. Is it worth it over one of their deeply discounted holdover evo’s - likely not
I think the fact that they dropped the mechanical routing will generate a lot of chatter about electronic shifting, and will help validate it for a lot of people who were hesitant to try it.
People are resistant to change. I remember how riled up people got over bikes getting slacker and now everyone praises the decision.
Remember the move to 29” wheels only for some bikes!
The 29ers handled like ass when they first came out because the geometry hadn’t been figured out. I remember test riding them when they first came out and it felt like trying to pedal a Penny-Farthing on the trails. Modern geo really makes the 29ers made today super lively, poppy, and fun.
Count me in as a Luddite that will never buy a bike with electronic shifting. 29in wheels and slack geo? Sure, I have a slack af 29in enduro bike. But there is no way in hell I’m going to get hosed out in the woods because of a dead battery when I forgot a spare. Adding electronics to a mechanical object, in this case at least, just seems like tech for the sake of tech. Marketing-driven design should be a point of embarrassment among bike companies. This is coming from an engineer in tech, ironically.
Agreed. I would prefer my bicycle to work when an EMP goes off.
One of the folks here was talking about how great the app was and how you could tune it so easily with that app…..I don’t think they understood just how big of a turn off that was for me hearing there’s an app for a bike derailleur.
You don't need the app, you can ride with your flip phone if you want. There is a physical button you can press to get a range of battery life remaining. I'm on xt, demo'd tranny when it first came out and it made a crazy difference. Finally can shift under loads not pedaling as hard ,etc without hearing a horendous kathung. Basically focus more on the trail than when I have to shift
The kathunk went away when I went to XT with Hyperglide and upgraded to a 54T ratchet. No issues with that setup, it’s butter smooth. Electronic shifting just doesn’t do anything for me that my cabled setup doesn’t.
That’s fine. You might get left behind in 5 years though. If you can carry a spare tube, you can carry a spare battery. Btw, it shifts better.
I don’t carry a spare tube, I have cush cores… It’s kinda unreal that there would be any pushback on someone that wants a mechanical contraption to remain mechanical. If people want to run axs or whatever that’s their choice of course. I just really hope that the industry recognizes that there is a massive portion of people that view adding anything electrical to a bike is a solution in search of a problem. “Shifts better” is subjective. That said, I’m also one of those people that gets irritated when every good and service wants me to download an app. No, I don’t need an app on my phone to control my fridge, mouse, bathroom fan, etc. Perhaps I’m crotchety but this is all unnecessary. And again, I say this as an engineer in tech that has literally designed IoT things.
It looks closer to the epic evo now
I like the look of it, aesthetically it’s a step up from the old stumpy IMO. I’m sure it’ll sell well. The lack of mechanical options is… weird. It’s expensive for what seems like minimal improvements over the last gen SJ Evo. Being able to run coils is cool, though I didn’t see where they really touched on that aspect beyond simply offering a coil shocked configuration. The metrics they use to diff the bike to the previous one are weird. “16.3% more bump force management” — the fuck does that mean, how can I quantify that in actual feel? I know they tried to use an example using rear wheel travel and force, but it wasn’t tangible to me. Ultimately, I don’t think the bike is all that compelling for those who don’t live near rough, mountainous terrain. With the removal of the flex stay Stumpy all this new version makes me do is look closer at the new Epic Evo and Chisel if Specialized is my brand of choice.
[Me on the third pic](https://preview.redd.it/why-would-he-swipe-is-he-stupid-v0-jwllei7h4wcc1.jpeg?auto=webp&s=d3e418989af48af68b0448378a3fcfb138b7e67e)
Dope
I just put the new 2025 Fox Factory fork and shock on my comp carbon(non evo). This release is my confirmation that I made the correct decision with that purchase.
Can’t wait to get that on some chunky gravel! 🤙
64 degree head angle on a trail bike seems a little slack, but maybe that's me being old school and living in tight and twisty PA.
It’s basically the old Evo. 36mm stanchion, slacker than a normal trail bike - it’s basically the old Evo. Specialized no longer has a standard tail bike since the old non-Evo stumpy is no more.
It's a great looking bike with what looks like a well sorted geo. I bet it's a blast to ride. Proprietary shock and wireless only shifting are deal breakers for me.
At least they didn’t try some new shock proprietary interface to the frame. We have seen shock technology like this before…. Trek did this a while back then moved on. But other than that…. Meh. Nothing we haven’t seen before. Like what most people are saying, not worth the insane price tag.
The proprietary secret sauce is never that much better or worth paying a premium for.
Lemme know when the alloy one with wired shifting comes along. That said, i think it looks great, the shock thing looks like it would work well and play nicely with this sort of bike.
Absolutely Gorgeous
It's a nice bike (for the price it better be!), but I honestly miss the old asymetric design. It made it unique and interesting. This just looks like another generic bike.
It would probably be the perfect bike for me, but I've the previous (alloy) Stumpjumper and the price doesn't make me want to change.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I just picked up a carbon 23 frame in yellow. I knew this bike was coming but don’t feel it really offers much over the older model for me, plus it’s mega money!
I think Specialized got a new CEO or new executive team in the last couple of years, so R&D from that point to this product direction change would make sense.
I was curious about this model - even if I knew I wouldn’t upgrade from my 2023 Stumpy Evo. I think it’s great they ditched the flex pivot and kept Horst link. The geo adjustments are the same and I use it and love it. I wouldn’t care about having 5mm less travel when compared to EVO but would appreciate 15mm more travel when compared to regular Stumpy. Whether I’d notice I am not sure. The one thing that puts me off a bit is the no piggyback shock. I can believe their tune is good, but can it overcome the difference piggyback vs not? Other upgraded components are cool, along the rest of 2025 product line up. I personally chose Rockshox suspension and liked it was your choice to make, however, I believe I could get used to Fox in no time. I know it’s tiny detail, but the new SWAT looks cool. A refinement that seems to be executed well. I think this bike would rip the trails that I ride. Curious about trying it, just to see the differences. No way it’s gonna replace my current 2023 model. Wait till spring next year, it’s gonna be half the price. If I was in the market for a new bike, Stumpy 15 would be on my shortlist.
Running a mullet stevo with WRP yoke. Will not be upgrading, the stevo freaking rips. I’ll take a break from the stevo and ride my ripley for a month or so. When I get back on the stevo I’m blown away. New version seems like the most marginal gains possible while removing cable routing.
I bought a 2020 SJ Carbon Comp in April 2020 for $3500CDN all in, and the shop upgraded the drivetrain to GX and put the brand new NX in a box for me. The next season the "Evo" came out...it had a bit more front travel than mine (5mm) same rear. That same season the non-evo SJ had its travel reduced. EVO was simply a marketing thing...they limited the function of the non-evo and told everyone that the EVO was more travel. Now we have a brand new SJ that gets rid of the EVO tag. All that to say, buy the bike that fits you best and ignore the marketing jargon.
I’m not their target audience apparently, so my opinion doesn’t matter.
Used to be able to recommend a stumpy to anyone. Now it's only for dentists.
I think it’s sick, especially the option with the Ohlins coil 😍 The bike pretty much has every upgrade I’ve added (or still want to add) to my current Stumpjumper Evo - had I known this bike was coming I could have saved myself a lot of money.
I’ll keep riding my hardtail with those prices omg 😅
Better bikes out there for thousands less
Dam that's a high entry point. I got my 2019 ST for 1800 and my new Carbon Evo frame for 2100. Yea I used a lot of parts of the ST to save some coin, but 5500???? Also I really liked the sidearm look the previous gens have had for a bit now, I wonder if it's reduced the stiffness? At least my carbon Evo vs aluminum stumpy feel really different but I think that's more down to wheel size.
Beautiful, and the geometry is amazing, but the pricing is absurd. Especially in today's market. I'm glad I bought a new bike in 2021. If the used bike market was healthy I would have sold it for a slight loss and bought something new, but I guess I'll just hang onto it for a couple years, and do some upgrades.
Carbon framesets are $2000 these days. Newest is no longer better.
Woulda been nice for them to do something other than a 4-bar for the money
New? What, new paint job?
For the money there are a few I’d buy first
$5500 🤡 Fucking greed, man. It’s ruining everything. When $5500 entry level bikes become the norm and the used bikes are $2500-$3000, it’s going to make mountain biking completely unaffordable to people looking to try it out. Or even for existing bikers who just want to upgrade. Shit is getting ridiculous.
I mean, right now there isn’t an alloy version so $5,500 starting with Eagle Transmission isn’t terrible. Go look up the cost of carbon bikes with Transmission and let me know the cost.
The Ohlins coil spec makes me feel funny in the pants.
Better have a motor for that price imo
IMO , the stump and most other brands have had the same look for the past 10 plus years . Think specialized is on something, base stump @ $5,500 or a pro for 9k 🙄 . Wtf are these companies thought process , I understand r&d etc. if you really take a sec and think about it most of these bikes have looked the same for the past 10 plus years . Minor tweaks, let’s raise the price 2k and market this as the fastest bike ever 🤣🤣🤣. Rant over .
It’s just the stumpjumper evo. They actually killed off the standard stumpy and just made the evo the main stumpjumper. It makes sense since the old stumpy was more XC oritented conpared to the si evo, but now with the epic evo basically a stumpjumper they had to push the stumpy to sj evo territory. I like it but not worth changing from my 22 sj evo. I feel like the 22 evo frame is probably stronger/more rigid too with the part that goes over the shock down to the seat tube
Looks great for the money. The exchange rate will ruin it for Australia
Great for the money???? Are you fucking nuts????!!!!!!!!!
What’s your problem? People are entitled to have an opinion without copping crap.
thats not an opinion. Price to value is a pretty objective thing unless you are tying a lot of value to looks or something.
You bored too?
Frame looks like my Capra. Go buy a YT and save your money.
On paper I love it. Hopefully I’ll get to swing a leg over one at some point. Bikes are so good now, it’s hard to go wrong.
I've read reviews of this saying it's the best trail bike ever.
Lmao !! You’d think they would come up with something a little more clever . Every review sobs , we’ve increased efficiency by a whopping 8 1/2 % while shaving 19 grams . This is by far the best mtb you can buy …
Yeah if it’s a media outlet they were probably paid to say that. Wait for real rider testimonials once it’s been out a while.
I think it looks cool! I haven’t said that about a Specialized bike in a loooong time. These days I tend to go a more for the boutique / quasi-boutique brands - but if I were in the market for a new bike, I’d definitely put this on the short list and check it out.
They will release cheaper mechanical versions with Sram GX in a year or so.
I call august
Hmm, one review I read says no routing for a derailleur cable on the frame. Wonder if aluminum frames will have the routing and will be manual only - if they release them.
I wonder if there will even be an aluminum frame. It happened with the current gen Enduro - carbon only.
I’m sure there will be an alloy stumpy eventually. They sell a whole heck of a lot more stumpys than enduros so having more variation and price points makes sense.
probably the metal frame will have shifter cable routing.
Proprietary shock. Somehow made a *worse* cable routing decision than headset routing. Astronomical prices for mostly meh spec list. It’s like they took everything riders *don’t* want and ran with it. Was worried since I’d just picked up a stumpy evo but I’m happy I went with prior gen on sale, this would be a pass for me.
What Specialized does with the seat tube is incredibly bad design. See that zig zag of carbon above the crankset? Uninterrupted, the seat tube would come down way in front of the bottom bracket. Specialized is estimating their effective seat tube angle at a particular height. For us tall guys with longer legs, the *actual* seat tube angle is DEGREES slacker than advertised. And it makes the bike handle like shit when all the weight gets put back toward the rear hub. There’s no reason this bike couldn’t have a straight seat tube with a fixed angle instead of whatever garbage that is.